556: The World Belongs to the Brazen and The Brave.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Jockel Podcast number five fifty six with Echo Charles and me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Jockel will link good evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I come good evening And on the last podcast number five fifty five triple nickel We introduced a book called Maxim's on war by Renee Quinn and we didn't make it through the entire thing

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[SPEAKER_01]: and or we'd make we only make the book is divided into thirds we made it halfway through the first third and we're gonna pick up where we left off we might get to the second two thirds at a later time but if you haven't so if you haven't listened to podcasts 555 start with that

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[SPEAKER_01]: To get some background on Renee Quentin a little bit deeper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a biologist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an aviator.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a soldier Served four years in combat in World War I wounded seven times decorated by France decorated by England decorated by America decorated by Belgium and

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[SPEAKER_01]: had some very passionate and extreme viewpoints about war and about human nature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That certainly gives us some lessons learned about those things and some things to think about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some things to some underlying tones of our existence that we should at least consider.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't have to agree with them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't seem like echo agrees with a number of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do agree with most of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but I just want to make the distinction in the spirit of clarification and accuracy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do agree with them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't necessarily agree with the implied positioning of everything because you say in all these things are true and that's sort of it to life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a, I think that that's like one of maybe three buckets that are it to life.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like other two buckets.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying martial virtues like war and fighting and all that that comes with, but what he's talking about?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's like one that's alongside it, which is that co-exist with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think actually there's two as of right now, which I just more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, that is building or one might call it collaboration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the other one is the, we'll call it, they'll get into graphic, the interaction with the opposite sex, pro creation will call it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so what that entails what the building and collaboration entails and then what the war entails I think those are kind of the three pillars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There could be more that could be I don't know like some artistic one or something like this maybe But I think those are the three pillars.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So within the context of the martial Pillar we'll say I agree tricking yeah all day in fact it should be extreme because that's what you talk about that So it makes it like more clear you seem to say yeah one way that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, well, we'll dive into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll offer some more extreme viewpoints here and, you know, extreme viewpoints, oftentimes there's a reason that they're being called extreme, but if you back them off a little bit from the extreme point and you bring them down to a more moderate position, they can help you understand things better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're like, hey, let me, let me let you know about the temperature of the sun, you know, very useful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fundamentally useful.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you're like, temper the sun, the actual temperature sun is rise to hot.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's useless.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You seem to be saying as in and of itself, but it's like, no, no, no, you back up a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You find all the fruits of the temperature of the sun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not so sure about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What you mean by this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, good to know the fourth thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I thought what I would say is this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reason that people tend to take extreme positions is because they're easier to take.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just easier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just mentally simple.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It turns everything into a binary, and you can remove all this nuance that you can,

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[SPEAKER_01]: you have to admit that you're wrong sometimes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's easier just to be a no I'm never wrong about this thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the way it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's just an easier thing to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why people take extreme views.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, it's not only, it's like an extreme view and you're in a meeting and, you know, echo saying, hey, you know, we need to put all our money into this kind of marketing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's just easier for you to say that because that's what you know, and that's what you believe, and even though you might not believe it fully,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we've all the money marketing here, and I mean clearly on the political side, it's like there It's so much easier just to make an extreme political statement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, once you do that Now you box yourself in you get no room to maneuver and

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[SPEAKER_01]: when you take something to the extreme, it's impossible that there's not some outliers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, just extreme statements, it's like the statement of the always or never statements, like never say never and never say always.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, because there's things that are gonna be outside the bounds of what you're saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of the stuff that he's saying is extreme

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe you know, there's definitely definitely outliers that are outside the bounds of what he's saying, but if you take a general principle, if you just keep in mind like, oh, yeah, men like to fight, that's a good thing to know, that's a good thing to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And a lot of times, you know, you, you know, from a political viewpoint, it's like, oh, yeah, we shouldn't go to war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, and everyone says we shouldn't go to war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you don't remember that there's some inherent thing that makes people want to go to war, and then you're surprised when you go to war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I can't believe this is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, really?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we've been out war with each other for 30,000 years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I'm not saying that's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just telling you, don't be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_01]: don't be surprised when a male reacts violently to something happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We can't be surprised by these things, so that's why I think it's good to at least hear what his perspective on some of these topics are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get back to the book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once again,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here we go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War kills desire before it kills men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hearts there are dead to themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's a little bit contradictory of some of the other things that you said would all this great virtue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rise is now saying that like desires dead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you can kind of make that connection.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you no longer have these desires.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just have this this will to fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a purification ritual as I said on the last one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All things are distant seen from war and again this is something about you and I talked about on the last one When you're at war all of some of these things that are going on your mortgage your rent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's other stuff that's back in the world Like in Vietnam they would call it the world right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is there not there in Vietnam you know Back in the world we don't know what's going on everything's distant Mary Joe that you are going out with and whatever You know like you're not thinking about her thinking about saying alive and we're you know What about the mortgage what about the rent?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What about this that the other thing that's none of it matters anymore

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[SPEAKER_01]: Women, parents, children, all fade into the background.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The man who fights has no past.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've heard me tell the story about how my kids wanted, my wife wanted to show my kids where I was sleeping when I was on the planet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I went to take a picture, like a digital picture.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I looked at it, I was like, oh no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I had to take a folder out of my bag.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and hang up some pictures that I had in that folder of my family, took the pictures, took the pictures back there, took the picture of my bed with the pictures of them near it and then pulled the pins out and put it away and put those pictures away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause it was like, I didn't want them from the center.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got shit that I gotta think about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what are we doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So women, and by the way, if you're women and your parents and your children fade, that means everything's gone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta focus on what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War heals the soul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the realm of forgetting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In war, one is happy simply to live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Existence becomes a kind of continual gift, which is interesting again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He contradicts himself because in the last in the last maxims that we were already talking about how like, simply to live is not really a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well from a heroic standpoint, we're not looking to just live.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Said hero is too, or sometimes tempted to just live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War is sacred because justice does not reign there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a, he's got a footnote here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It says justice does not preside over combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the virtuous or intelligent male who triumphs, but the one who is strongest in that moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or sorry, it is not the virtuous or intelligent male who triumphs, but the one who is strongest in the moment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The same who will fall when faced with a stronger man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: life and death then are matters of occasion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is, in fact, virtue that nature most often punishes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is interesting because this is something that is 100% right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you, there's randomness in combat where you just, someone gets killed by whatever, by, you know, a random bullet, a stray bullet, or a bomb, and the bomb goes off and it could hit you, it could hit him, it could hit my vehicle, it could hit your vehicle, there's a randomness to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you you kind of want to as much as you can stack the deck in your favor right you can't pull all the ace of spades out of the deck there's an ace of spades in there that can catch you but you want to at least stack the deck as much as your favor as you possibly can that's uh interesting because kikul kaknuts he talks about this just to me hmm

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very often where he's like, hey, like a lot of this stuff because you know, he did some cool stuff and you know You know, he's uh, he's a decorated, you know, yeah person and uh, but he was like He's like Brad so funny.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like people like they give so much this is his words You know, just his perspective.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like people give so much credit to this stuff or whatever But it's like it's just all up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like there's so many bullets and bombs and all this stuff that happens unintentionally like literally bullet can hit you and not be met for you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally that's the way it is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to me that wasn't like, oh, some big surprise.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Brother, that's half of what I think goes on most of the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even when you watch like war movies, you're like, probably, you know, so he'll just talk about that the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Or it's like, Brad's just like, I just felt like I locked out in a lot of ways.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and it's like, people a lot of times, some people they think.

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[SPEAKER_00]: that they're this big massive hero.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, right, you just lucked out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's guys who didn't make it for the same reason you made it, just lucked us on the other side, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's like, you can make decisions as a leader and it can be the dumbest decision that you made a total mistake on and everyone's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can make a great decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the perfect tactical decision at moment and you can lose three guys.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you can also make bad decisions and get a bunch of people killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can make good decisions and everyone lives like it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But there is an absolute element of, what does he call it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just randomness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's not the virtue of the intelligent male atrium, sort of the strongest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are definitely stacking the deck in your favor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to be strong, you want to be smart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to do the right thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's no guarantee, no guarantee at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how invulnerable one imagines oneself, some blows land so near, they remind us we are mortal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's no doubt about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Death is nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The horror of war lies in physical life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, he says some stuff that's very extreme, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But what, he's got a footnote on this one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In war, morale means overcoming physical life more than facing death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's sort of like the idea you're in the idea of letting go of your ego and how that's liberating, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is the same type of thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, oh, death is not the thing that I'm trying to overcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like all these attachments that I have to life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So the horror and the war is the physical life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I'm, that's what I got to get away from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Death, oh, let's go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I'm not encouraging that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to give this interpret his perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: only one thing is truly great to play one's hand against fate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The true games are those where life is at stake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of tough to argue with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, this is again, not encouraging people to go out and put their lives at stake for the sake of what are doing something truly great.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, when Alex Honald climbs El Cap, Solo, Free Solo, like, what is it that makes that so special?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We all know what makes that so special.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All of us know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War is a terrible game in which one always wins except once you ever see the movie heat

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I saw he, hell yeah, but you didn't just step up your classics because the last podcast you I had to just do a full quote Yeah, from a frolic apocalypse now and now I ask you to see the movie heat and you give me you know hesitation and then like a subtle I guess I've seen it

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've told me about tremors one before.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's so good about tremors one?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's freaking disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a lot of things all put together correctly in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, in the movie Heat, the cop played by Al Pacino, tells the crook played by Robert De Niro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At least, I think that's the conversation, yeah, it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I only need to win one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you made what you make one mistake and you're screwed for life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I catch you, it doesn't really matter to me in my life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I carry on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you screw up one time, it's game over for you.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that the scene in the restaurant?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I'm pretty sure this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I recreated that you might know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I recreated Ken Flow.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kenny Florian.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he has not done that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, Ken, Kenny Florian did an amazing job.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he did what he was doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he should have gotten some kind of acting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: To be honest, they both should have, if you watch that, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, it's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because Hennach plays, plays Robert Deneer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they did great.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But Kenny stands out because you just wouldn't expect it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Hennach always plays it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That guy goes hard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He can do a lot of stuff and we're used to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we've seen him in action before, but Kenny just came and freaking off the top ropes with the award-winning performance.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, that's the idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey,

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[SPEAKER_01]: In war, you win every time, you only lose once, you only lose one time, and this is the same thing we know for America fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: in the past, like in Vietnam, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, like we value human life so much, and the enemy doesn't value human life so much.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we kill a number of them, and to them, they just carry on and for us, like every loss of life is a travesty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we can't make mistakes, and it's a very similar,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unfair set up, but they don't value a human life like we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't The most attentive man is the one who awaits death I can give an affirmative to that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can give an affirmative to that and yet it's funny How you can be like out on patrol and like someone's falling asleep or you're like you know what I mean like as attentive as you're supposed to be

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[SPEAKER_01]: The nearness of death brings peace to the soul, is because men believe themselves immortal that they consent to evil.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One must believe in time enough to reap its fruits to bring oneself to commit a crime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting thing, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're only committing a crime if you think you're going to have enough time to reap the benefits for it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're not going to reap the benefits, well I guess I'm not going to commit the crime.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Napoleon always based promotion on courage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Courage reveals physical vigor, energy, strength of character, and above all love of combat the supreme quality in war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Courage confers the prestige that inspires the troops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and the experience that legitimizes bold decisions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It implies the prudence without which it would be punished.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It proves a cold intelligence clear-sighted in the conditions of battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It guarantees daring and success firmness in adversity and morale that ceases or salvages a situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It shapes the commander who is supple,

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[SPEAKER_01]: no other military quality assures so many other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To deny courage a central role in promotion is a fundamental error.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I gotta give it up for that whole statement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, can you have people that are very courageous and perhaps they're not the person that you wanna put in charge of a major operation or at an operational level or at a strategic level?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But should it be a heavily weighted component?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because for the very reason they're talking about here, like if someone has courage, that means they have energy, that means they have strength of character, that means they have a level combat, that means they're gonna go get after.

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[SPEAKER_01]: which is why you need to heavily wait that in war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't put all the weight on it, and he even talks about here, he's like, you've got to, it implies prudence, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It implies that you're courageous, but you're prudent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you, if you were just to say, reckless, like we go one step beyond courage, now we get to reckless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So courage is like, oh, there's prudence in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is that why you say sometimes not because someone with courage or let's say overindexing overindexing courage let's say they're brushing up against recklessness now we go full recklessness right right like do you really want that guy in charge no we want something that has at least you know some level of prudence yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: Soldiers pay with their lives for promotion errors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ain't that the truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seen Yordi costs armies dearly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the shameful side of promotion principles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Seen Yordi being like, oh, you've been in this job for a certain amount of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, you're the next guy to get promoted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead of saying like, echo, you know what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're better than Fred and I'm gonna promote you over Fred, even though Fred's been doing it longer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just advancing people just based on their shen Yordi's not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Outside of genius, ambition is a flaw in war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It discredits a man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The man who seeks elevation through war forgets that war only asks of men their sacrifice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The reward lies in displaying one's virtues.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rank does not matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and by the way, if there's a few times that he mentions genius and like genius being the exception, I think he's just solely doing that because of Napoleon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's solely, they're as a French dude, he's making this exception that, oh yeah, ambition is terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Except for unless you're genius, which is by the way, that's Napoleon.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's saying, if you're a genius, then ambition might not be as terrible, or ambition is worse than, oh sorry, genius is worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're a genius, ambition's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, but outside of genius, if you're anybody else besides Napoleon, then it's a flaw.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because now you're trying to get promoted through war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a freaking problem.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I totally agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ambition in war is found only among non-combatants.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not necessarily precisely true because there are people that realize that the way they get promoted is through getting some level of combat, like even in Vietnam, even on the head all kinds of jacked up things, but one of them was like they would take a guy, they wanted to get as many people through combat leadership positions so that they could get promoted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so guys would get like a six month tour as a company commander or four month tour as a company commander, you

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[SPEAKER_01]: They that the system had ambition built into it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There is a clip and it was an NFL guy if I'm not mistaken And he was on on the bench at this point and he's I think his coach or maybe the offensive coordinator was saying I'm gonna paraphrase this thing, but this is lit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can watch the clip.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like hey like They're winning the game

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm pretty sure they're winning the game and he was like, and he was a star.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like, hey, you're about to break this all-time record of some sort with, I think it was rushing or something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're about to like, the all-time record, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, we're winning and we got guys who are coming up and, you know, to get them some wraps would be beneficial for the team blah, blah, blah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't explain that that much, but it was sort of implied, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Cause he didn't want to like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: because you could tell this coach was really looking out for this guy like hey bro get that record you know about this going to be good for you kind of thing and the guy was like though the words he said was not an outlet to me let them eat I don't care about the record so he because they were already winning the game the game was kind of you know kind of one so he was like no no let them get the reps you know saying he's not playing this game for his promotion you know for his external personalized I've

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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget who it was, yeah, yeah, it was, but I remember watching how I was like, bro, that is a real guy right there, real team team mate, you know, I was all in, but that's, that's a demonstration, seems saying, of, because let's face it, I don't know who I'm not saying, who or whatever, what I'm saying, some people would be like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, let me get that record for my legacy and all this stuff, which to me, like kind of makes sense, you know, and it wasn't the kind of like I don't think he knew they were being filmed and I think it was like way that, you know, one of these things, but yeah, so they can trick in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what that's what that demonstrated right there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was like yeah, he was doing the thing for the for the the virtue or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Tchuk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: ambitious men have been seen heading to the rear to earn their stripes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They are not the most guilty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The real culprits are those who organize promotion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's like bad enough that these guys are trying to escape the combat, but the worst guys or the guys that are looking at the guys that escape combat, given them promotions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: From a certain rank onward, bravery discredits,

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of stuff coming here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To a superior or peer who lacks bravery, the brave man is an enemy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That is just such jealousy and ego, just so, it's so clear that there's a little footnote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When one lacks courage, the courage of others feels almost like an insult.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One does not always like to acknowledge courage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is almost an offense in offense, in another's bravery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God isn't it sick when you see like that kind of thing see-out in the world young people when people's Not just their their ego causes jealousy and the jealousy becomes straight resentment Yeah, well, it's a that's a very disturbing thing to see in the world from what I understand that Process on a more light level is like very natural because you know how like you see us in the fitness kind of

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[SPEAKER_00]: space will say for lack of a return where you know like the let's say you have a friend group in like one of them decides to like quit We'll say drinking and get into just get into better health, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when people who didn't choose to do that part of the group that that that's used to that whole you know that That group dynamic and they see like someone getting in in better shape and stop drinking and we'll say

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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll look at it and it'll reflect back on them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like that's kind of where it comes from.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, okay, so now it's a clear reflection of my failings, you know, to be a better XYZ kind of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, okay, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How that can work, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you're right when that turns into toxicity.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's crabs in the bucket right all day long.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wars about killing not being killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so now he's kind of retracting a little bit wars about killing not being killed by the way the last time the last podcast we talked about like man's purpose is to die right so a little back off I've seen massacres that a single order could have presented

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bravery is said to be contagious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is because it discredits danger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's such a powerful thing to recognize, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just, hey, you're watching someone doing something courageous and therefore you're inspired, you're watching them doing something courageous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now you're going to welcome, it's not actually that dangerous, it's like Mikey in the dragons, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mikey in the dragons, the dragons are small.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, once you realize the dragons are small, well, who's going to show you the dragons are small?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That person that shows courage and goes up and faces the dragons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's wild to watch that stuff with kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when kids, there's some challenge or something, and no one wants to do it, and then someone does it, and then everyone just falls in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, remember the four minute mile, like, no one had ever broke the four minute mile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when it got broken, he's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Within months you got broken through four or five more times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because people see all it's doable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Yeah, there's a Might be a separate different thing, but there's an element of I forget what they call it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long line of like collective permission or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a psychological thing where

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's subconscious where it's like, hey, we can't do that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we can't do that until someone actually is like, oh, I don't know, like kind of breaks the rule, you know, just subconsciously like, and then they kind of break the ruin.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It gives everyone this subconscious psychological permission to do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then everyone's doing it now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems to say, Chuck, courage inspires envy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: even though even in those who score it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So even the people that are like, oh, you're running around running to death, they're like, even the people that talk shit about bravery still makes them jealous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And again, we know that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you agree with that statement?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes sense too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, why is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you know, even if you're a person that goes, oh, that's, you know, that's a waste that shouldn't do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You should take those additional risks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even that person that says that,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Deep in their soul, they're like, you know, that's real, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think every night, it's in there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The brave rarely die on the day they expose themselves the most.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like the dynamics of heroic action are just disrupting to the natural order of things and it just, you can live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it feels like.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great dangers attract only exceptional natures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, danger attracts nearly all men, good, and he's got a little carve out for you because you're like, oh, well, not everyone feels like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's agreeing with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Great dangers attract only exceptional.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I would agree with this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: one often heads into danger without believing in it, then it presses close and one wishes to be elsewhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ooh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: See, this is what you're starting to see the humanity behind the hem, you know, wars the best.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he's going, yeah, you head into danger when you don't really believe it, but once I get there and you feel it, then I kind of wish I was somewhere else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once the last time you had that feeling,

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[SPEAKER_00]: uh last time I had it a little bit in the same situation in the ocean in Hawaii so I went to a beach that I literally grew up going to and it was there was no one in the water middle of the day, it's called Brandenkees, good beach, south side, Koi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and then oh yeah, so I went in and immediately I feel like, oh, the current is kind of stronger and the sand that's usually in the bottom.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no sand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's deeper and it's just rocks like that you can't get your footy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, and it was just rough and the current, you know, the current didn't like wash me out or nothing like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was just like, oh, this is not fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I can't like get my bearings.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't really do much out there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm like, alright, let me just go back in and I was trying to go back in and it just wouldn't let me go back in.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you can't really touch either, so I'm fighting like whitewashing current the whole time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So basically the moves that I was making that go into sure were not working.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And after like a few minutes I was like, oh, am I like, this is more powerful than me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This whole situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, yeah, but I eventually just went slowly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Swim parallel to the shore, like the whole, what did you do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just came out, kept getting after it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you trying this room, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so you can do you do little thing like that's the kind of beach You can't really do the parallel thing because it's a pretty small beach and I was in the zone that I would have to swim away out to see Did do that and then I'd be at a different beach, whatever But no, I just basically like I wouldn't fight the current, but when a wave would come I'd then I'd swim with the waves So each wave would push me a little bit

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like with my swimming, so I was just slowly but really gaining around like that rather than trying to fight the current the whole time in white water too You know how you don't have that that much power or whatever And then just slowly but really I just ended up whatever, but before that was when my kids the beach right next door point blue beach

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I went out with my kids.

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[SPEAKER_00]: My son was three and then my daughter was, you know, six or something like that where they could swim But you know, there's still little kids and the other thing again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we went we've done this many times And we went in the lifeguard was there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought I told you the story lifeguard was there on a surfboard He was just right by us.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was like hey guys just to let you know like the current is strong

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I'm like I grew up on this be literally learned how to swim on this beach right here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, two years old what up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like Yeah, thank you, you know like never so we just start going and he's just following us with a book with a surfboard and then he's in the water He's on that in the water with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we were saved and we hate to pull you guys in

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because Brad, we were starting to swim and I was like, bro, we're not even getting there and we're not even near sure anymore.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're getting pushed.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't touch and my kids are with me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So my son had a mask in a snorkel so he didn't know what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was totally good to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm still worried because I no longer have control.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems saying and then my daughter, she was a good swimmer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, it's like, oh, I got two kids here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a count for and I am not like, I'm not in control of the water right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we started drifting, getting pulled out to see a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, so I was like, I had to just go and I started to feel the control leaving my body.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I was like, hey, I got my son put him kind of on my back, which I shouldn't have done, really, because he was good to go with the snorkel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, yeah, so I started to get kind of tired, going in, making no ground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This was a few years, this is like years ago.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, um,

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[SPEAKER_00]: So finally at some point I look at the lifeguard he's still he's there looking at me the whole time like like Or we good like you know can I grab you guys now kind of a thing and then I'm I was okay I come kind of guys, so he just grabbed the kids and I just swam next to him It was like to go you know whatever, so it's what did he when you got to the beach?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thanks whatever talked him for a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did he scold you at all anyway?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, oh, he should he maybe

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was well beyond that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He knew what was going on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was on the beat of the lesson.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, I did not even come nothing to say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly right, even me saying it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like he, you know, if I put myself in his shoes and I see a guy with two kids, like I, in fact, what he should have done has been like, you know, like I understand, but I'm not going to let you guys go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, he should have done that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I probably would have been in like, I had respect, I couldn't have done it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a young guy, too, it was like 19 year old guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe he wanted to scold me,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't whatever check, but yes, I should have got schooled in them and that was a lesson learned hundred percent But yes, there you know, you know, I'm trying to be brave And what I mean because I don't see the danger yeah, I was gonna say you didn't see the gene Dangel and actually a million times that falls right into this next Maxim here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is difficult to assess great dangers

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[SPEAKER_01]: Experiences not enough one would need memory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's a difference between memory and experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So to this one right you had experience right experience in that bitch You learned someone that beach when you were two years old, but all of a sudden it's like you don't you don't have a memory of Being sucked out against your will

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[SPEAKER_01]: and so you had experience but you didn't have memory so it's very difficult for you to assess what was about to happen the great danger that you were facing now the lifeguard he's he has memory he's watched us happen he remembers exactly oh I saw a guy with one kid and he forgot sucked out and that's what you're doing the exact same thing cool watch us yep i'll be right here let me know when i can save you and your children from drowning yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next one, one must never confirm through words the danger one imagines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some circumstances in war are so harsh that one has the right to find them so, but the duty to remain silent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Moral is a form of lying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is something that I do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: cannot agree with more, especially in terms of confirming through words the danger one imagines or even in some cases like what you see.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I am not real big on vocalizing something that's not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, have you ever seen the movie A-Leonz?

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[SPEAKER_00]: A-Leonz, of course.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy who recently died, that's kind of panicking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a Paxton.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Paxton, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fifteen minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fifteen days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to make a fifteen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that attitude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't like that attitude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we all kind of see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: be quiet, deal with it, just deal with it yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you verbalize it, I feel like you're giving it traction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Giving it traction.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One must distinguish between the danger itself and the imagination of it, men of average courage always exaggerate great dangers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the idea too of like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says morale is a form of lying this is going back to the last one, morale it's a form of lying, but I agree, but it's almost like lying through omission, you know that term, where as in lying is such a strong word and you know, I always like do not lie to your people, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe putting the most positive spin on a certain situation when the morale of the troops is counting on you as the leader to get them through a very challenging thing is you have to do that and again to me it's not lying like if we're going to die if we're going to die

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I go and we're going to be okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's lying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we're in a really bad spot and we're going to need to work do these things to make it to make it out of this spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, okay, brace yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to stand by.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to get some right out like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I might be demphasizing the amount of danger, but I wouldn't consider that lying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd say looking at it with a positive outlook.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a very, I'd probably think, I already, you know, nerd out about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there's actual technical difference between, you know, putting a positive spin on it or something like this, because when you think of something as a good situation, our bad situation, let's face it on a technical level.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a matter of opinion.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good bad whatever, you know, it's like, hey, are we gonna die under there's there's not that many circumstance where you're guaranteed going to die guaranteed under zero Conceivable a measurable circumstances could you live under zero right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very few.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying there's a change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's focus on the chance exactly right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that kind of the distinction, you know, but line by omission or something like this

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[SPEAKER_00]: is a you're asked to direct question and you both kind as much as you possibly can't understand what answer we're looking for looking for like a yes or a no or yes but this very specific thing you know kind of a thing and then you omit very relevant elements of the answer that are kind of required for the full answer and you know yes and also there's you have to be careful because if you think you know we're in some terrible situation and I

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[SPEAKER_01]: go heckle or good to go like if you're doing that kind of line yeah that's not I'm losing credibility with the troops yeah but free to be like hey listen it's gonna sock for the next 15 minutes we got to push to over you got to get this flank going like whatever that's okay yeah like if if if let's say the bad guys are coming but they're coming at noon and it's nine right

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they're coming at noon they're coming and they're like, and you're in a bad spot or whatever and they're like, hey, are they coming and you'd be like, oh well technically right now they're not coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you say no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's lying by omission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're like, you know they're coming.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good move.

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[SPEAKER_00]: At noon exactly right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next panic is the poisoning of the individual by sensitivity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get a little hypersensitive about stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Causes panics.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are no dead or wounded in battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bullets kill four men and intimidate a thousand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I almost didn't read this one because I'm like, this does not make sense to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first part, especially, there are no data wounded in battle, like that makes no sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the second part makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Poled skill for men and intimidate a thousand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's really strange is when you look at the amount of men that are in combat and the amount of them that actually are wounded or killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Generally speaking, it's a lot smaller of a ratio than people think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, you know, people get killed, everyone gets scared, everyone gets nervous, everyone gets intimidated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's an important thing to remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men who love adventure may expose themselves in ways that are blameworthy, but never in ways that are useless, danger, tempers the soul, and alone makes the man of war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: even the man of war does is off in the second line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hence me and Dave Burke asleep on the rooftop of Copfalk and as soon as the morning broke and security was set, it's like, we're going to sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the true, what is the true of audacity and war is true everywhere?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All that matters is daring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The world belongs to the brazen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, getting after it, stepping up, taking risks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just true in war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true in life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The world belongs to the brazen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Danger creates genius.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you got to figure some shit out, in the thick of action, prudence follows courage like a shadow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Interpidity without prudence becomes recklessness and we kind of already talked about that a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you are going to be courageous, but you actually no longer are being cautious at all all of a sudden becomes recklessness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do not want recklessness happening in routes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: mines seem struck by madness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like when you're getting your ass kicked.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The footnote was that the most defensible positions are in routes abandoned without a fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Stoll work officers suggest blowing up the cannons that can't leave without their ammunition.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it just saying when you're getting your ass kicked, everything just falls apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The enemies mistaken blows bring a smile fair enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the start of wars, one feels bound by honor to take risks that, if you days later, one would avoid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that little indoctrination period.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Feelin' like you feeling froggy, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny we, you know, a task in a bridge where we talked about like the first, you know, month where they're everywhere, we'll talk about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone wants to go on every mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, you fast forward three months.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, what's this mission for me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the beginning, guys didn't give a shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're going.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then in the middle, it's like, hey, why are we doing this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's this about?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They want to know, good on them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once courage is assured, prudence becomes a virtue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So now you know someone, you got someone that's courageous, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now they're prudence, they're caution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Them being cautious is now a virtue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're a coward, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't need to see any prudence for them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We need to see some freakin' courage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bold strokes must be brief.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ain't that the truth?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're trying to do something that's gonna feel like taxing, and it's bold, it better be over pretty quick.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boasting is no flower of the battlefield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Huh, interesting, footnote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Very important footnote here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bosting is born of an incomplete sense of duty and responsibility.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is when you get the person that's insecure about the way they perform to what they've done and now what do they do they brag to try and make up for it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The natural leader is the bravest of all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: At the onset of war, when everyone is new, subordinates may look down on him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The leader's worth is unknown.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His experience presumed nil, the tone changes after a few days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Leaders must earn their stripes before their men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: men must consecrate their leaders in their hearts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, so when the team doesn't actually believe you are the leader, you're not the leader.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can say some orders and stuff and they may or may not do them, but they have to believe you have to prove to them that you are worthy of being in this position.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you don't do that by barking orders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't do that by being a tyrant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You do that by listening what they have to say, making good decisions, that's what you do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: a leader who is not exalted by the brave man he commands belongs in the rear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine the the leadership uh uh anecdotes this dude saw in four years at World War One?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he's thinking of actual people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that, uh, what do you just, the leader who will give orders, but you're not really following I don't know anything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That one's.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I was in the military, you know this about me.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I was a valet once.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Comparable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we're in the game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, actually more specifically.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't explored your valet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I remember a couple instances about it, but I don't remember.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we need to explore your valet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, well, maybe not at this time, but, you know, I got a podcast about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a tell us what went down.

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[SPEAKER_00]: What small content there you were.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of tower right in Honolulu.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll say, a lot of tower has a has a parking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Parking scenario so the parking we'll say a lot I guess but anyway the whole parking System that's what I worked for so there's different positions and I moved up to Valet That's really big but what's below what's below Valet um more so there was necessarily below it This is what I did before that maybe it was below.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where I started is a cashier You know that you know like the old school parking lots Now there's just a gate and a ticket and it's automatic you know back in a few days six dollars please

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're the cashier collect in the money and all that so you were that But you have to wear a uniform.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, what was it like?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, just typical a little hush shirt Oh, sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you're a little touristy situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a little hush shirt in Hawaii is it's really beautiful That's what I want to dress a little it's a tourist spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're parking cars for everybody.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay cool Yeah, I've tracked my statement.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, it's okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was dressing you up like with like he would dressed up like Moan

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're not wrong with that like what you're kind of imagining yeah, but that's keep in mind That's how that's how even if you're not you know like if you go to like a nice place like it's the dress up Yeah, oh, oh, oh, oh, sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, you know, so yeah, that was just the you know for yeah I love sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I was Valley and I had a boss that nobody liked them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was annoying way overweight like someone who you look at just and listen to it and you just don't look up to this guy at all.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, I'm just finished football, I'm, you know, running ballet, you know, running getting the car and that solid body habit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But this was, it was pretty strong, you know, and my immediate supervisor,

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[SPEAKER_00]: Kaipo, shout out, Caripact on Coire right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he was the opposite, he was fucking awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He actually taught me some really cool stuff like to influence like the people, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, he was super good, but the main boss boss, nobody liked this guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember he would be like, hey, he'd kind of give us some orders.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was that exact same day now because you're talking about where it's like, bro, like, you happen to say it out of your mouth and we understand that that's true down here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so yeah, this XYZ needs to be done, which we probably want to came up with anyway, but whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, technically, you said it, but I want to listen to that guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and then if he says for us to do some other stuff or whatever, we'll either slow roll it or straight up just not do it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what's he saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're going to listen to Kaipo.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's that's real gonna drop on your experience when you say this guy is talking about actual people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, chicken.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That is actual people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's you know, there's like a primal order what I call a primal order Just like there's a pecking order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a real thing and it's it's it's underneath the on paper chain of command that exists and it can be overridden

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[SPEAKER_01]: by the paper, chain a command, but the paper chain a command can also be overwritten by the primal order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The leader's bravery multiplies the value of the troop.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It guarantees his control and the sound use of his men, boom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Each soldier, each officer, is worth four under a

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[SPEAKER_01]: from a bad ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was talking to some frog men, the other night.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the, you know, what he's doing is like a totally awesome, you know, reputation, many, many decades in the sealed teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was just like, you know, I want a freaking commander that's gonna be able to kick ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody fills that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A body without a soul, a troop without a leader always needs a rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No soul?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No leader?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We guess what you want to do, sleep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Inflame your men with passion, they will never ask for rest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No unit ever grumbles against honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I went through whatever on that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have units go sideways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they don't care about their honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't give a shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That shit happens.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shouldn't happen, but it does, especially bad leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The noble soul wants more than two obey.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wants to exalt the one who leads it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they want to actually want to do a really good job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's always strange.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people like to get a little bit uneasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When it's like, make your boss look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Make your boss look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people don't like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's subservient, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Play it's a good move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why, while your boss has got the mission, what I'll try to accomplish the mission, you make your, do the mission well, you make your boss look good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's all positive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Put that in your little, put that in your little, your little, little, little thought process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In great action, where men's get, where men give their all supplies may run dry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Passion sustains.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're always challenges when a leader takes a new command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, that's good thing to know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're going to, you're taking over something?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool, it's going to be, there's going to be problems.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's going to be issues, it's going to be challenges.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No big deal, just work through them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is less hard to obey than to decide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's always true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's easier to obey than imagine as a little alternate take in the footnotes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they decided on it's a day to day, significant thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's interesting is there are some people that, for instance, working out, that just they just want to get told what to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's want to get told just tell them what to do and I'll do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's people like that with their finances, there's people like that with their diet, there's people like that with

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[SPEAKER_01]: with everything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like just tell me what to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so sometimes I find people that are having a hard time because they're trying to not only imagine a program and create a program, but it's like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're they're the ones that are formulating their own suffering and it's harder to formulate your own suffering for some people yeah you know there's a there was a in in the sealed teams sometimes various teams

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[SPEAKER_01]: Depending on the way that they're set up and this has changed throughout the years Sometimes there's an emphasis on the platoon training itself and Sometimes there's an emphasis on an external force training the platoon and Generally speaking what I always saw was that sure dude if you got a good platoon chief The platoon training itself will be awesome.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Mm-hmm

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you got a decent platoon chief or an okay platoon chief, now we're trying to write a program for our own suffering and sometimes people have our time doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, also having externalize, look at you, when you critique yourself, maybe you're not quite as honest as you should be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So sometimes, if you're having trouble with something, like let's say you're having trouble with your diet or you're having trouble with your workout program.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's like, you know, get someone to give you the assignment and do what they tell you to do take the decide out of it and just obey It's real and you're I believe they year 100% correct hundred ten percent correct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you've all are correct And then you know, yeah, we've been imagined

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[SPEAKER_00]: about this applies to everything because even like down to the daily nightly hey what do you want for dinner and it's like I don't know whatever you want kind of thing even though you know what you don't want for you know kind of a thing it's like you know or even like with work

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like some people, they'd weigh rather, you know, you tell them, hey, you be a start of business, you be the business owner, they're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes people impose their own kind of framework on everyone else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I can't believe this person doesn't want to run this department.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, no, that's totally normal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That there's a person that just wants to be told, hey, here's what you got to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Make it happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's fine.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be mad about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's also people that would be better off doing that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's other people that would be better off stepping up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some people have a much easier time being the person that makes decisions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some people have a much easier time being a follower.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's nothing wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's just kind of a natural thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And sometimes people grow into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes people grow out of this warming to lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what are you doing now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, oh, I'm working at this such and such corporation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I thought you were doing this bro You know like it's a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot when you when you when you when you're making all the decisions So a lot of pressure right I mean not to mention just the 24 hour like something goes wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're calling you

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, and even though all those things feel like they're part of it, I feel like the underlying fundamental reason is because it's way more, way more mental energy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like the, um, right, this is going to be it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an odd example, but it's so clear.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we were young, we first got our driver's license, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know when you get your driver's license, why it's 15?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 15 years old, you can get your driver's license.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I had this friend named Byron.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a pilot, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, for the army, I used to fly to helicopter, he's a front-end officer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he was, he was like, you know, my friend at that time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he got his driver's license birthday, because his birthday was in January.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, he's one of the first guys getting his driver's license, and I was like, cool, he got his driver's license, any had a car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'd be like, I'm quite sure we'd all jump in the car as like, yeah, let's go cruise around, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he would always be like, hey, so where do you guys want to go?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're like, I don't know, you're the driver, like you go any, and but he kept asking like, I don't know where to go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'm like, and you kind of think like what, I don't get like you're the driver.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought we're going somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Every single time in my life, besides tonight, I jump in the car.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The driver knows where we're going.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's like, wait, you guys want to go?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you guys want to go?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, oh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Where do you, you know, kind of a thing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We can literally go anywhere for the first time in our life by the way that we want to go to a go anywhere on Koi.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't know where we want to go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So much mental energy, pal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember thinking, why don't we know where we want to go?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And everyone's looking to everyone else, driver and non-drivers, by the way, to go somewhere, to make the decision to go somewhere.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, ironically, I guess, you could say, no matter where he would have said that we were going,

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been a hundred percent down to go, same sane, and I think vice versa.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, I think that's natural.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a natural thing to conserve that mental energy unless you're doing it for a purpose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and I think that's also that there's people formed different categories, and also different categories even within different arenas as an individual.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes, if we're doing this type of evolution,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will step up and run it, but if it's this type of evolution, I'm like, oh, I'm setting back, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's totally normal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like your kids, you probably have your kids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One of your kids, when you're doing some certain thing, they step up and they're like, oh, I'm doing, you know, I'm, let me, let me, let me, let me, let they're deleting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then some other evolution, they're like letting the sibling lead or letting you lead.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's, but it's just, it's just important to understand people's nature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and don't try and fight their nature too much, you know, don't try and swim upstream.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And some of this has to do also with this next maximum, which is subordinates are unaware of the burdens, their leadership bear, their leaders bear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do not take them into account.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, you know, the guy that's like, well, I could do a much better job than this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, run the next mission, total disaster.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, you know, so people don't realize the weight Distrain and they're not supposed to and you shouldn't as a leader transferred on to the troops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But don't be surprised when they think, man, I can do a better job than echo it this like I watch one of your videos.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, dude, I'll freaking I think I can do a better job editing that and then I try and open up the editing program and I'm like, all right, we'll just leave that shit to echo Charles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Troops are not always ready to strive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A junior officer can draw more than his due from his men, but it takes tact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this little note here is you can ask anything of a troop if the reason is sound.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they'll get it done, but you have to have a reason.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Discipline permits a leader to question the orders he receives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is coming from World War I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Discipline permits a leader to question the orders he receives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get some weird orders?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, no, this doesn't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it continues, but when the order is harsh, delaying obedience, saps command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you get like that, hey, we need to go now, you might want to just go now and not question the order.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless it's just freaking suicide.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only heroes have the right to question hard orders because in doing so, they do not underman the spirit of command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got something, okay, I'm going to be with echo Charles on this and disagree with Renee.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A junior officer can do nothing against ill-fated orders, which I totally disagree with.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you have ill-fated orders, it is your duty to stand up and push back against them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, to bring up one of just the perfect examples of this is the movie, the show Banda Brothers and they do a recon, the end of the war, the war is going to end in a couple of days.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They do a recon across the river.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A guy gets wounded, I forget if a guy gets wounded, maybe a guy gets killed, they come back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The next night, they get orders to do another recon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And major winters is like, I don't think we should do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, you're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I really don't think we should do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope, you're doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Roger that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They went and sat and drank wine in one of the buildings and didn't do the recon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So are there times where that's the right move?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause if you would've said, we, I refuse to do this, guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you're fired.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next guy, take them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what you say, do the recon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you gotta be careful of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Fighters do not take well to criticism from those who do not fight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War is learned only in combat without courage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no experience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's one of those unfortunate things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to actually do the thing and you can get close

01:00:59.128 --> 01:01:03.672
[SPEAKER_01]: like the proximity to an MMA, a professional MMA fight, you can get really close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Really close.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do all the sparring, all the grappling, all the wrestling, you can put it, you can get the fake crowd in here, hey Friday night fight, everyone's gonna watch, you know, echo fight, and we're gonna do the full three, five minute rounds and everyone's gonna yell and cheer and that's like recluse proximity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: but you still weren't in the cage at UFC, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a different world, same thing with combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we train, we get as close as we possibly can, but there's an element that's not, it's just different, like, death is at stake.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Knowing the enemy is the leader's first duty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: going back to Sun Sioux for that one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are men for whom the law of war is never to expose themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are leaders who dare remain in the rear and this may not hinder their advancement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy could tell he would walk by some dudes in the rear as he's going to the front for the ninth time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: entry at every level, the leader delegates it to a subordinate so that the army's eyes fall to the lowest rank in the hierarchy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very good point.

01:02:23.018 --> 01:02:39.448
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the colonel is the brigade, the full bird colonel is relying on the lieutenant colonel to send out his captain who's going to send out his lieutenant who's going to send out his sergeant who's going to send

01:02:41.609 --> 01:02:43.090
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an interesting thing to think about.

01:02:43.230 --> 01:02:43.450
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:02:45.730 --> 01:02:53.113
[SPEAKER_01]: And normally that, then you have the, you know, mistakes that get made as the information gets passed back up.

01:02:53.593 --> 01:03:06.837
[SPEAKER_00]: So, do you think that that is, I mean, in principle, and ideally because, in theory, everyone else has something better to do, or should have something better to do?

01:03:07.357 --> 01:03:11.818
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it actually makes sense.

01:03:12.178 --> 01:03:12.418
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

01:03:12.859 --> 01:03:13.539
[SPEAKER_01]: It makes sense.

01:03:13.959 --> 01:03:14.619
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, yeah, you're right.

01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:15.139
[SPEAKER_01]: The Colonel does.

01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.480
[SPEAKER_01]: The Colonel can't go and observe from nine different positions on the battlefield.

01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:23.802
[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to have the Battalion Commander, send his company, who's going to send his platoon, who's going to send his sergeant.

01:03:23.822 --> 01:03:25.542
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it makes sense.

01:03:26.142 --> 01:03:26.562
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what?

01:03:26.582 --> 01:03:28.303
[SPEAKER_01]: The private is trained to do that.

01:03:28.343 --> 01:03:29.043
[SPEAKER_01]: He knows who he's looking for.

01:03:29.063 --> 01:03:29.883
[SPEAKER_01]: He's out there on the battlefield.

01:03:30.123 --> 01:03:33.164
[SPEAKER_01]: So it makes sense, but it's something to be aware of.

01:03:33.304 --> 01:03:33.624
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:03:34.044 --> 01:03:35.285
[SPEAKER_01]: It's something to remember.

01:03:36.125 --> 01:03:40.146
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're a colonel, you're going through a lot of layers to get this information back to you.

01:03:41.706 --> 01:03:43.707
[SPEAKER_01]: And there are times, a private doesn't have the experience.

01:03:43.727 --> 01:03:51.289
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't have the strategic experience, obviously, or the tactical experience that are that a colonel or a lieutenant colonel, or a major, is going to have or a captain.

01:03:51.869 --> 01:04:01.131
[SPEAKER_01]: So are we making sure that we're getting the right information from the eyes, which are the most junior people out there and the most inexperienced in some cases?

01:04:04.388 --> 01:04:09.638
[SPEAKER_01]: The most delicate organs of the body are the eyes and yet they are the most exposed.

01:04:11.718 --> 01:04:22.186
[SPEAKER_01]: In war, oh, and then it also, this was just, this is like his biology, you know, background, perhaps it is not without reason that nature placed the eyes at the head.

01:04:22.726 --> 01:04:35.576
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that was a little bit of a, of an additional statement around the leader delegating the eyes to the, the outer limbs, you know, imagine if your eyes were in your fingertips.

01:04:38.681 --> 01:04:43.865
[SPEAKER_01]: In war too often those who see do not command and those who command do not see.

01:04:47.548 --> 01:04:53.872
[SPEAKER_01]: Since those who see do not command, they sometimes lose interest in looking.

01:04:59.436 --> 01:05:04.140
[SPEAKER_01]: The voice of leaders without courage falters when they speak to the brave.

01:05:06.980 --> 01:05:20.355
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those are the facts right there, the most subtle of cowardly leaders do nothing but sneer around the brave, only the brave know how to speak to the brave.

01:05:22.178 --> 01:05:38.269
[SPEAKER_01]: This is like so important that you remember these things and how, how just transparent it is when you get the documented coward coming in, put now word, it's like, do we all know?

01:05:41.011 --> 01:05:47.534
[SPEAKER_01]: There are moments when the life of a leader matters more than that of half his men, you know?

01:05:47.574 --> 01:05:48.354
[SPEAKER_01]: That's unfortunate.

01:05:48.394 --> 01:05:49.234
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not a good thing.

01:05:49.534 --> 01:05:51.775
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even a positive reflection on the leader.

01:05:52.175 --> 01:06:04.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than to say, obviously, he's a very inspirational individual, but he's done a really bad job of decentralized command and training his subordinate leaders to step up if something happens to him.

01:06:04.900 --> 01:06:06.001
[SPEAKER_01]: So you say that's a bad thing.

01:06:06.162 --> 01:06:07.683
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a bad.

01:06:07.763 --> 01:06:08.764
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds cool.

01:06:09.624 --> 01:06:12.687
[SPEAKER_01]: Like oh, you know, if echo gets killed It's you know, it's a good.

01:06:12.727 --> 01:06:17.611
[SPEAKER_01]: That's worth half of his men, but that's actually it sounds like echoes this great leader It's so valuable.

01:06:17.911 --> 01:06:18.792
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're so valuable.

01:06:18.812 --> 01:06:26.699
[SPEAKER_01]: It's certain, but no you've done a terrible job You have you have no Follow on plan if something happens to you.

01:06:27.560 --> 01:06:28.560
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is bad

01:06:29.441 --> 01:06:40.593
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like you failed to build a good strong organization for some whole kind of version if you can't if you disappear and everything falls apart That's that's not good.

01:06:40.613 --> 01:06:41.934
[SPEAKER_01]: You've done a bad job as a leader.

01:06:42.095 --> 01:06:48.021
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah One has the right to break in war only to maneuver

01:06:49.962 --> 01:06:53.566
[SPEAKER_01]: You must be certain of your genius to consent to a retreat.

01:06:53.766 --> 01:07:02.274
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, he carves out little things for Napoleon, but if you think the only reason you can break contact in a war is just to maneuver.

01:07:03.575 --> 01:07:04.917
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very aggressive attitude.

01:07:07.719 --> 01:07:13.425
[SPEAKER_01]: It is in the infantrymen that the heart of the father land beats.

01:07:15.770 --> 01:07:18.792
[SPEAKER_01]: In extreme fatigue, be temperate, honor as it's steak.

01:07:19.193 --> 01:07:23.236
[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen staff's drunk from four fingers of wine after three sleep this night.

01:07:23.616 --> 01:07:28.200
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just like, this is not a maximum of philosophical maximum, right?

01:07:28.220 --> 01:07:29.781
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just a advice to a brother.

01:07:30.141 --> 01:07:34.084
[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't slept in a while, don't drink because you're gonna act like a jackass.

01:07:35.605 --> 01:07:39.048
[SPEAKER_01]: Think about this guy and all he's been through in his life and he had to throw this maximum in there.

01:07:39.408 --> 01:07:39.969
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:07:39.989 --> 01:07:42.170
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, you know, he's seen some jackassery.

01:07:42.290 --> 01:07:42.651
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:07:44.745 --> 01:07:46.326
[SPEAKER_01]: It plays to a brother, yeah.

01:07:47.486 --> 01:07:49.447
[SPEAKER_01]: Once danger has passed, feed your men.

01:07:50.387 --> 01:07:53.048
[SPEAKER_01]: The stomach cries out when the mind comes to rest.

01:07:53.988 --> 01:07:57.969
[SPEAKER_01]: The animal that digests is no longer fit for combat.

01:07:58.249 --> 01:08:00.190
[SPEAKER_01]: Beware the staffs that he too will.

01:08:02.771 --> 01:08:05.812
[SPEAKER_01]: Without fasting, there is no asceticism.

01:08:06.072 --> 01:08:08.933
[SPEAKER_01]: In battle, the spirit is elevated through hardship.

01:08:09.113 --> 01:08:11.954
[SPEAKER_01]: A man who is full has no passion left.

01:08:15.865 --> 01:08:21.150
[SPEAKER_01]: Since a little footnote here, fasting was invented by the orders to elevate the spirit.

01:08:22.952 --> 01:08:26.236
[SPEAKER_01]: The orders being like the religious monasteries, right?

01:08:26.436 --> 01:08:29.078
[SPEAKER_01]: Just you want to elevate your spirit, don't eat.

01:08:31.841 --> 01:08:32.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree with that, actually.

01:08:35.463 --> 01:08:38.725
[SPEAKER_01]: on the line of fire, discipline no longer exists.

01:08:39.126 --> 01:08:43.709
[SPEAKER_01]: Only mutual consent, discipline resumes in the rear.

01:08:43.729 --> 01:08:45.650
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, right, that was like, wait a second.

01:08:46.471 --> 01:08:48.812
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we need to have extreme discipline once we're on the front lines.

01:08:49.233 --> 01:08:55.457
[SPEAKER_01]: But what he's saying is, it's not here anymore because what I hear is like self-discipline.

01:08:56.237 --> 01:08:59.179
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna do your job and I'm gonna do my job.

01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:00.881
[SPEAKER_01]: This is mutual consent.

01:09:01.621 --> 01:09:03.542
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if we don't do our jobs, we're gonna die.

01:09:03.802 --> 01:09:05.783
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mutual consent that we're making this happen.

01:09:05.803 --> 01:09:08.084
[SPEAKER_01]: You're not, you're not going to, hey, Jock, we'll do this.

01:09:08.564 --> 01:09:09.565
[SPEAKER_01]: I need to do it.

01:09:10.505 --> 01:09:11.326
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, we die.

01:09:11.386 --> 01:09:12.386
[SPEAKER_01]: It's mutual consent.

01:09:12.707 --> 01:09:13.987
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to lead me.

01:09:14.187 --> 01:09:14.808
[SPEAKER_01]: I want that.

01:09:15.328 --> 01:09:16.568
[SPEAKER_01]: I want you to tell me what to do.

01:09:19.250 --> 01:09:21.731
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last one from this first section of this book.

01:09:23.652 --> 01:09:27.694
[SPEAKER_01]: In a dangerous area, do not seek shelter past through.

01:09:31.833 --> 01:09:43.565
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go, it's, again, if you keep that little, keep that little font in the back of your mind, do not seek shelter, keep going, like that's it.

01:09:45.031 --> 01:09:48.013
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's always times where we want to hunker down, right?

01:09:48.593 --> 01:09:52.396
[SPEAKER_01]: Take a little breather, take a knee as we used to say in the military.

01:09:53.497 --> 01:09:57.760
[SPEAKER_01]: That definitely happens, but man, when you're in a dangerous situation, that is not the time.

01:09:58.540 --> 01:10:01.362
[SPEAKER_01]: When you're in a dangerous situation, you get caught in a bad position, that's not the time to rest.

01:10:01.462 --> 01:10:08.587
[SPEAKER_01]: Get out of the scramble, get out of there, pass through that, move, don't let the discomfort trap you.

01:10:09.762 --> 01:10:10.562
[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what we're doing.

01:10:10.582 --> 01:10:13.483
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not seek shelter when things get aggro.

01:10:13.723 --> 01:10:14.023
[SPEAKER_01]: Move.

01:10:16.304 --> 01:10:19.085
[SPEAKER_01]: So like I said, we covered the first third of this book.

01:10:19.205 --> 01:10:27.088
[SPEAKER_01]: The second, two thirds of this book, they are working through the notes that he left after he died.

01:10:27.148 --> 01:10:33.710
[SPEAKER_01]: Because as he was writing this book, July 9th, 1925, he died and he left his notes.

01:10:34.290 --> 01:10:36.731
[SPEAKER_01]: On his deathbed, he put his uniform back on.

01:10:38.534 --> 01:10:47.466
[SPEAKER_01]: and told his old comrades that he identified only as a soldier, which is why he insisted to die in his soldier's uniform.

01:10:47.687 --> 01:10:55.898
[SPEAKER_01]: In 1931, because his guy was highly decorated, in 1931, they built a statue of him in the town of his birth.

01:10:58.014 --> 01:11:07.261
[SPEAKER_01]: as a memorial and a commemoration of this individual and his heroic acts repeated heroic acts throughout the world, first world war.

01:11:07.762 --> 01:11:12.606
[SPEAKER_01]: And then when the Nazis came in and occupied the town in 1941, they tore it down the statue and they melted it.

01:11:13.806 --> 01:11:15.308
[SPEAKER_01]: So now it's only the base that is there.

01:11:16.958 --> 01:11:28.141
[SPEAKER_01]: kind of horrible to think that they build a statue to, you know, immortalize someone's memory and then the Nazis roll and then just tear it down and melt it.

01:11:30.021 --> 01:11:39.964
[SPEAKER_01]: But all that remains now is just the base of that statue and of course these words, these maxims, so that his lessons could be passed on.

01:11:40.660 --> 01:11:47.526
[SPEAKER_01]: And at least, consider, we don't have to believe them all, but we at least have to consider them.

01:11:48.447 --> 01:11:56.575
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, one thing that we have definitely learned is, we have to do hard things in order to preserve our soul.

01:11:58.617 --> 01:11:58.857
[SPEAKER_01]: Right?

01:11:59.337 --> 01:12:00.018
[SPEAKER_01]: What does that mean?

01:12:00.844 --> 01:12:16.233
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01:12:42.004 --> 01:12:46.009
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01:12:47.010 --> 01:12:52.976
[SPEAKER_01]: Occasionally, I have some work to do in the morning or I travel in the morning and I'm getting workin' out in the mid-afternoon.

01:12:52.997 --> 01:12:56.440
[SPEAKER_01]: If you ever get that 1400 to a clock to the U.S. civilians,

01:12:57.181 --> 01:12:57.702
[SPEAKER_01]: What about it?

01:12:57.722 --> 01:12:58.983
[SPEAKER_00]: They're feeling a little bit of a fade.

01:12:59.003 --> 01:13:00.525
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, from time to time.

01:13:00.545 --> 01:13:02.887
[SPEAKER_00]: A little bit of a fade, but I work out at that time a lot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In America, we don't allow a factory to take all of its chemicals and dump the waste into the river.

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01:14:33.425 --> 01:14:34.345
[SPEAKER_01]: It used to happen here.

01:14:34.725 --> 01:14:35.626
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't happen anymore.

01:14:35.646 --> 01:14:36.606
[SPEAKER_01]: We have laws against it.

01:14:41.712 --> 01:14:42.573
[SPEAKER_01]: slavery is bad.

01:14:43.753 --> 01:14:45.274
[SPEAKER_01]: And what is slavery technically?

01:14:45.934 --> 01:14:46.695
[SPEAKER_01]: The person is owned.

01:14:46.735 --> 01:14:56.621
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe certain cases this isn't technically slavery that's taking place, but if you see the way these people, these human beings are being treated, it's borderline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we don't do any of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We support freedom.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We support America.

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01:15:21.425 --> 01:15:22.747
[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to have what we call it drop.

01:15:22.787 --> 01:15:31.215
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01:15:31.956 --> 01:15:44.886
[SPEAKER_00]: in mash didn't drop culture okay well made kind of something maybe a little bit hey maybe we don't we dropping we dropping a new shirt that was part of the shirt locker I guess technically still is like one of the original designs that everyone wanted

01:15:46.702 --> 01:15:47.983
[SPEAKER_00]: all your excuses are lies.

01:15:48.123 --> 01:15:49.363
[SPEAKER_00]: But there's more to it than that.

01:15:49.383 --> 01:15:51.584
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta see what the shirt looks like and you be like, okay, I get it.

01:15:51.644 --> 01:15:58.287
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, you know, it's probably dropped at this point, but if it's not, boom, spoiler, spoiler alert.

01:15:59.727 --> 01:16:05.770
[SPEAKER_00]: So if it's not, um, what you do, you sign up for the email list, you'll get an email that tells you when it's dropped, so you can get the jump on it.

01:16:05.870 --> 01:16:08.171
[SPEAKER_00]: Trust me, they do, they sell out.

01:16:08.471 --> 01:16:09.231
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to work on

01:16:11.872 --> 01:16:16.893
[SPEAKER_00]: They sell out just know that so if you go to juxturne.com on the bottom you can put your email in there I'll let you know.

01:16:17.033 --> 01:16:18.353
[SPEAKER_00]: I won't spam you nothing like that.

01:16:18.933 --> 01:16:19.614
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's a good shirt.

01:16:20.194 --> 01:16:21.894
[SPEAKER_01]: All your excuses are lies.

01:16:22.214 --> 01:16:23.054
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's a shirt.

01:16:23.134 --> 01:16:36.577
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah Exactly, yeah So yeah, and you know, if if that's not the one for you or even if it is the one for you Keep in mind there's other stuff on there just when it was freedom, you know good many versions of that one many versions of this week was freedom many versions of

01:16:37.077 --> 01:16:39.018
[SPEAKER_00]: Stand by to get some you want to represent that.

01:16:39.098 --> 01:16:49.764
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01:16:49.784 --> 01:16:50.324
[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

01:16:51.184 --> 01:16:56.127
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very cool combination of like kids vibe and Discipline

01:16:56.367 --> 01:16:59.149
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, so oh, yeah, they're on the path and they want to represent you.

01:16:59.189 --> 01:17:03.711
[SPEAKER_00]: They there's some good stuff on there for them as well It's all in jockels store.com.

01:17:03.871 --> 01:17:11.695
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, also this shirt locker I mentioned if you don't know what that is, which we do already But if you don't subscription new design every month Seems to be good.

01:17:11.715 --> 01:17:15.277
[SPEAKER_00]: You can click on there and see what it's all about So you're not in the dark about it.

01:17:15.497 --> 01:17:15.817
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: Chocolate store.com, check.

01:17:17.699 --> 01:17:18.099
[SPEAKER_01]: We're there.

01:17:18.620 --> 01:17:21.202
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got the books, so I've written a bunch of books about leadership.

01:17:21.502 --> 01:17:23.024
[SPEAKER_01]: I've written a bunch of kids books, check those out.

01:17:23.424 --> 01:17:32.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, check out, put your legs on by Rob Jones, check out Need Lead by Dave Burke, the book that I reviewed on the last two podcasts called Maxims On War by Renee Quentin.

01:17:33.534 --> 01:17:39.520
[SPEAKER_01]: It is from Imperium Press, and you can check out ImperiumPress.org if you want to order that thing.

01:17:41.221 --> 01:17:45.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, we have a leadership consultancy called echelon front.

01:17:45.463 --> 01:17:50.727
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need to help inside your organization, you want to send your leaders to learn how to lead.

01:17:50.747 --> 01:17:53.148
[SPEAKER_01]: You can send them all to one of our events or we can come to you.

01:17:53.868 --> 01:17:55.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Go to echelonfront.com.

01:17:56.030 --> 01:17:59.612
[SPEAKER_01]: If that is what is needed, also check out extremownership.com.

01:17:59.632 --> 01:18:03.074
[SPEAKER_01]: We teach the skills of leadership in an online environment.

01:18:03.674 --> 01:18:04.015
[SPEAKER_01]: We have

01:18:04.735 --> 01:18:05.876
[SPEAKER_01]: courses to take online.

01:18:05.896 --> 01:18:10.378
[SPEAKER_01]: We also have live sessions that we do weekly, so check out extremeownership.com.

01:18:10.838 --> 01:18:13.419
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to help out service members, active and retired, you want to help the families.

01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:14.380
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to help culture our families.

01:18:14.740 --> 01:18:17.201
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out Mark Lee's mom, mom, Lee.

01:18:17.281 --> 01:18:20.022
[SPEAKER_01]: She's an amazing woman with an amazing charity organization.

01:18:20.402 --> 01:18:24.564
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to americazmightywariers.org.

01:18:26.125 --> 01:18:38.595
[SPEAKER_01]: Also check out heroes and horses.org, Jimmy May's organization beyond the brotherhood.org, warriors in need.org, and strongholdrescue.org, a bunch of great people doing great things.

01:18:39.095 --> 01:18:41.717
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to connect with us, check out jockel.com.

01:18:42.107 --> 01:18:47.393
[SPEAKER_01]: And then if you want to waste a big portion of your life, you can find us on social media.

01:18:47.633 --> 01:18:49.395
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm at Jockel Willink, Ecosadeclo Charles.

01:18:49.675 --> 01:18:52.538
[SPEAKER_01]: Just be careful because the algorithm is evil and it will destroy you.

01:18:53.879 --> 01:19:01.047
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, thanks to our military personnel who are as we speak, standing watch and protecting our freedom.

01:19:01.847 --> 01:19:04.210
[SPEAKER_01]: We thank you for your service and your sacrifice.

01:19:04.570 --> 01:19:12.433
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, thanks to our police law enforcement fire fighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correction officers, board patrol secret service, as well as all other first responders.

01:19:12.853 --> 01:19:15.214
[SPEAKER_01]: We are thankful for your service as well.

01:19:15.494 --> 01:19:22.997
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone else out there, I think it's a good idea to keep one of these maximums.

01:19:23.017 --> 01:19:25.878
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a bunch of them, but I'm going to call one out in particular.

01:19:26.618 --> 01:19:31.900
[SPEAKER_01]: It is that our mind must distinguish between the danger itself and the imagination of it.

01:19:34.655 --> 01:19:38.337
[SPEAKER_01]: one must distinguish between the danger itself and the imagination of it.

01:19:38.597 --> 01:19:39.478
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you afraid of?

01:19:40.238 --> 01:19:41.039
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it's asking?

01:19:42.400 --> 01:19:43.060
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you afraid of?

01:19:43.380 --> 01:19:49.944
[SPEAKER_01]: What crazy thing are you imagining that might could possibly happen?

01:19:50.564 --> 01:19:59.850
[SPEAKER_01]: That thought, that view, that exaggerated hypothesis that you have in your head that is preventing you from actually doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing.

01:20:02.983 --> 01:20:03.803
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to push through that.

01:20:04.704 --> 01:20:10.305
[SPEAKER_01]: Do not let your imagination of danger keep you out of the game.

01:20:12.046 --> 01:20:18.288
[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, set those fears aside and go get after it.

01:20:19.468 --> 01:20:23.069
[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, set those fears aside and go to war.

01:20:24.950 --> 01:20:28.111
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all I've got for tonight and until next time, this is Echo and Jocco.