555: The Nature Of Man Is War

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Jockel podcast number 55 with echo Charles and me, Jockel willing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good evening, I go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Good evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The worn body of the brave always finds a reserve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The rapture of services too strong for the body, however spent.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to refuse its duty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that right there is a quote from a book called Maxim's On War.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's written by a guy named Renee Quinn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're going to find and we were discussing before he hit record that some of his opinions on war and human nature are extreme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some of them are some of them are very extreme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We may even go so far to say they're too extreme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But

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[SPEAKER_01]: as I read through this book, there's a lot of elemental truth that these statements are rooted in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy, he was a Frenchman, he was born in 1866, and his father was a doctor and like a local mayor, and he's pretty wealthy, and his mom was, you know, a homemaker.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he grew up, he was very into writing, he saw he wrote poems and books and stuff like this, and he tried to pursue writing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he was kind of quite frankly, I think he was in modern day we would call him a trust fund baby.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You familiar with this term?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, yes sir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was like a trust fund kid and he tried to pursue writing for like a decade.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he realized, and I don't think he never finished a project.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would just like write and start whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he decided, okay, I'm gonna pursue something else and he became a biology, he went into biology, and he studied marine life, and he made this potion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can still get it, by the way, that's called Serum to Quintin, like means a Quintin Serum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's some kind of saline solution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He made it from sea water initially, and it's supposed to help with the whole plethora of diseases and ailments and whatnot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually he became interested in aviation as well.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was in which meant, interestingly, like around the turn of the century, that meant he was into like ballooning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like hot air.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like balloons.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That was aviation back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he did some of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But then he was pro kind of real planes to want those things started rolling out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the war broke out, the first world war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And despite not being required to serve because of his age, which was 48 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In 1914, he joined.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He joined up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's 48 years old.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's had this kind of strange life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he joins up, and he just goes to war, World War I, fought in just battle after battle after battle, all over France.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He fought at the Somme, Champagne, Trigney, LeBremes, like the list of battles that he was in is ridiculous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's wounded seven times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And on top of that, he suffered severe frostbite to his feet.

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[SPEAKER_01]: uh... he was highly decorated he was highly decorated by France his native country he was also you know he also received uh... a distinguished service cross from both america and the united kingdom and he was highly decorated by Belgium as well so

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[SPEAKER_01]: the guy definitely got after it and after the war he finally sat down and started writing what he had learned at war and that project which he came close to finishing remember I said he never finished a project as a as a when he was a writer and unfortunately he didn't finish this project either

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was editing it and he was writing it and drafting it and whatever he died.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But before that, he's like the first part of this book is the most heavily edited so the furthest along the process and this book here which is released by

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perth Imperium Press.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the name of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's who made it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's edited and they put they did a good job putting together and we're going to look at the, we're going to look at some of them today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is my take last a little bit of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So very interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In some cases, like I said, very extreme maxims, but again, I think a lot of them are rooted in some level of truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So let's get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That starts off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men may dream that they do not love war, but nature loves struggle and death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're going out of the gate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, again, as you and I talked about a little bit before, we hit record and you pushed back a little bit against this concept and I just threw it to you like, why are there so many movies about war?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Books about war, movies about war, videos about war, it's war all over the place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, you know, if people don't,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I hate to use the word love, but if there's not some deep part of a person's brain that doesn't want to watch war, why do we, why do we, why does 20 war movies come out a year?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, it's not just historical war, it's aliens war, it's all kinds of war, mafia war, gang war, it's just war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Infinity War Infinity War?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's one of those.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, the Avengers check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a good point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the opening, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men may dream that they do not love war, but nature loves struggling death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next, it is in the it is in the bloom and fullness of their age, nature dedicates males to death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is why you get why is why is the insurance rates for an 18-year-old boy very high for a vehicle?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't understand?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is dedicated to death like that's what he's doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's pushing the envelope.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature creates species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not create beings.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The species is the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The being is only the servant of that end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the nature of the individual to be deluded about his destiny and to believe he was born for himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's saying your whole purpose is not for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's for the

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[SPEAKER_01]: He says man places, this is like he's got a bunch of footnotes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The footnote for this one is man places value on his existence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature does not, yeah, facts, nature doesn't care, you, you got all this big life, got all these things and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just get eaten by a bear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The bear literally does not care at all about you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think when you eat a chicken nugget, you know, you're a chicken nugget to a bear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're, you don't think about the impact of the soul when you're eating a chicken nugget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A bear is just crunching your head, doesn't care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No thought whatsoever about anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That your wife, your kids, your future, your mortgage, your house.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That little dreams you had of videos you were going to make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like what you did, your memories, it's all just chicken nugget.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Boom, gone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I understand, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: key critical fact.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War does not transform men, it returns them to their native purpose.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War is the natural state of males.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you seem to have a little bit of push back before we hit record on this idea.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I still do and uh, because I don't want to interrupt like this, interrupt, you know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The tightness of facts over here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The tightness of talking.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Eight minutes of this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can't be like, we're that's not, well, there's more to it than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, kind of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I get it and keep in mind too, I suspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just suspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying I'm not proclaiming this, but I suspect.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That his whole experience caused this little bit of bias for the outcome of this book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he put himself in a very specific environment and that environment's like very intense, very exclusive to by the way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's coming up with all these, you know, conclusions and stuff based on this very exclusive environment, Trevor time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm not saying or disagreeing with that, that there's a lot of truth to that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that there's like,

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[SPEAKER_00]: you know how you know you're a little terrarium speech that you give me and others from time to time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like it's one of those situations where he's in this terrarium, yeah, terrarium, aquarium, terrarium, fish tank, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, bro, this is this is it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what's going on in here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meanwhile, there's like one, two, three more terrariums next to him, by the way, but he's just not looking because he's not in that terrarium, seems same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you drill all these, because this is what it sounds like so far.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he's drew all these conclusions in his very specific one meanwhile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's these other ones driving the whole bigger picture He seems saying that that kind of complimented it and so like that this sort of feels like I thought where you were gonna go with this idea was that this dude had kind of Tried some other stuff tried to be a writer tried to make this this serum, you know, kind of trying to get to the peak of these other things and didn't really happen

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[SPEAKER_01]: So then at 48, it's like, war happens, and now all of a sudden, and he's going to talk about this stuff, all of a sudden, like nothing else matters, because we're out here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so this seems like the peak thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, let's say he had been a Nobel Prize scientist who had discovered in this serum that he made was, you know, world renowned and saved all these people, maybe he wouldn't feel the same way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fully.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I kind of think he's saying, yes, I would.

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[SPEAKER_00]: and I understand and keep in mind too like when I talk about this bias like he's gonna he's gonna go in this war environment and Not only is he gonna think that's the whole world he's gonna draw like analogies to everything

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[SPEAKER_00]: mapping back to war then he's gonna call everything war when you could do that with construction as well like building something no good yet There's a lot of things you could be like well isn't that just another way of saying building you've got to throw away the scraps When you're building otherwise you can't build it you seem saying you can you can make a metaphor, but it's not gonna be a one-to-one metaphor

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's kind of my point where if you're in a wartime environment, you can make metaphors or Yeah, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, metaphors, all the time, but they have to compare to war, but it's not war, we all know that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like all the other stuff, the building, the whatever doesn't matter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Alright, next, as much as man dreads death in the calm hours of life, so too does he naturally accept it in the midst of struggle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: being all afraid of a dine and then you get in war, you're like, well, going to happen, could happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm down with it, ready.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the universe, the service of the species imposes on females, the burdens of risk, the burdens and risks of maternity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It imposes on males of the same blood, fracture-cylid struggle, combat amongst themselves, death, if need be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What instinct commands the animal accepts by nature?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Males are made to die, or at least to accept the risks of death in battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I said, this guy goes hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy goes hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when I say there's some, you know, morsel of truth in there, I can see this morsel of truth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and again, I do too, but even that what he just said there, it's kind of like he's like met or made to die, or at least willing to accept the risk.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Those are two completely different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like I said, this is just the beginning.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I'll give you time to process it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature does not will fertilization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It will essential fertilization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The primary mission of males is not to reproduce but to kill one another.

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[SPEAKER_01]: across the living world, their slaughter's perceived love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The female propagates the species, the male, through his death, selects it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature, which reaps the benefits, creates males to destroy one another, she grants them both the taste for it and the strength to risk it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by she, he's talking about nature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And isn't it crazy you know that we're supposed to be this enlightened you know educated species now with thought and logic and right now as we're talking there's people just slaughtering each other out in the battlefield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's kind of well, you know, maybe in your coffee shop or whatever you're sitting there going Oh, this wars doesn't make sense and meanwhile some dude over in Ukraine is just like getting ready to freaking charge a trench for the 14th time in two weeks

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, again, and not to, I don't want to keep us here on the first chapter, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First page.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think we're maybe we might fundamentally disagree at this time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, Renee here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's focusing on the war part of it and saying that's everything.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, and I actually told you this before, where I think,

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you want to break it down to the fundamental building blocks, at the very least, there's two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a balance between collaboration and competition.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's talking about just the competition part.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You have all competition, everybody kills each other and everybody dies.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to collaborate if you want to, you seem saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but in most cases, you're just collaborating so you can kill other dudes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, ultimately.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, that collaboration exists a long time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It exists, but only to further year of war efforts.

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[SPEAKER_00]: or you further your war efforts just for a greater collaboration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I think yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, you're going to say no, I understand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to keep us in the first place.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you seem saying this is where we get, you know, we start kidding more extreme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The male who dies serves the species by leaving two others, the task of propagating it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature denies males, the right to reproduce, races the right to endure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This right males and races must win it through struggle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first duty nature lays upon them is not to live, but to triumph or die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Going hard in the paint.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The burden of dying is as natural to the male as the burden of bearing is to the female.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The destiny of males is to stake their lives in the service of the species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every male carries within him the calling to die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His footnote here is nature does not love males.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Within every species, males are tasked with destroying one another for the salvation of the species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: like that's what you're going to do and you know when you take I think a lot of the stuff that you're you're seeing you're picturing with like the veneer of society on it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Meaning, oh, we're going to collaborate because we're trying to build something and when that veneer goes away It's like, yeah, I'm going to beat you to death with a club I mean, yeah half the time half the time that's true the other half is like no, no, let me team up with this Because like even if you're fighting you're fighting for something I'm saying so it's not like oh, yeah, we're just going to fight for no reason cuz we're meant to fight and die like it No, that starts that is what he said.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that's what he's saying That's why exactly right so like even again, I don't know

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[SPEAKER_00]: I could be wrong at this time, but think about even just the male psyche, let's say you come across another man, and actually you too, the more, you know, leader of men, juggle hell yeah, freaking more all day, you know, if required, kind of a thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: When you see another person that's within the realm of yourself, even a little bit age, physicality, you know, whatever, in evaluation goes on in your mind.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just maybe even subconsciously, but I would imagine conscious.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's unconsciously, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's either like, is this a friend or a foal?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, by the way, that stuff is all, that stuff is all primal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's part of your limbic system.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perfect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: your your judging you look at the narrowness of their eyes you look at the broadness of their jaws you look at their their weight their height that you assess all that stuff in your limb system with is this human is this other human a threat or not so this is going on this is so deep in your in your being you sometimes don't even recognize it yeah now what happens is if you're a fighter hmm

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[SPEAKER_01]: It bubbles to the surface more because you spend so much time in combat in hand-to-hand combat with your with your teammates and your friends That when you see something outside or which by the way is also another part of your limbic system judges like is this person part of my crew or not?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If they're not part of my crew, I know it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know it by looking at someone, this person's not like us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're outside or this is all, that stuff is all happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether you want it to happen or not, it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's in that's my point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, hopefully logically you can go, look, I meet this guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I can take him or I think he can take me, but instead of aggressively trying to confront him to your point, let's maybe we can collaborate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's all an override of logic and there's a decent chance that logic does not override and I'm just fighting you

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I get that, but I think as far as the initial that evaluation, it's a friend or full evaluation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And the friend part of it is part of it too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not denying any of this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I just think there's another side that comes with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you're meant to die, it's like, but maybe that's why I would lean more towards the risk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, you put the veneer, well, he said, or he said, meant to die or the risk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But also when you put the veneer of society,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and like you know

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[SPEAKER_01]: When you have a car and you have a wife and you've got kids and you've got a house like and you've got a job like all this stuff is just each one of those little layers just just berries it a little bit deeper put before we're gonna say We have to recognize that it's there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, that's there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and that is what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I do recognize that it's there.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying But there's that other part otherwise this society wouldn't even exist as a whole.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically society is one of the many symptoms of this other side that exists Which is the collaboration side

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're saying, if he's saying war is fundamentally it, that would be the front running result.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Just freaking destruction.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He'd like man would not, would build less than he destroys the same thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And if the societal part had even the slightest bit of power over this animalistic

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[SPEAKER_01]: instinct.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We wouldn't just be in constant state of war for the past 30,000 years.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like they said, they go hand in hand.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm telling you like again, I'm not denying that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think this is a hell yeah, all day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm saying there's another side to it that comes with it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think the fundamental point that you're making is that there's there is a surface of an era overpainted all over the stuff which I totally agree with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we live in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We live in the veneer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We live in the nice stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but beneath it all is just like I'm getting ready to beat you to death with a club.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's half of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not even half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It might be like, yeah, it's like 0.02% depending on who I am.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because if I, you know, I'm probably,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm closer to beating you to death with a club than some guy that works in finance who you know what I mean like he just doesn't he hasn't had the opportunity to express and he has buried those instincts deeper with more with more fluff right where it's like and then you go to someone that's a you know someone that's an active duty marine

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[SPEAKER_01]: but he's a little bit closer and then you go to somebody that's like in combat well he's there and then you go to somebody that's you go right on down the line so we have people that are various depths and this animalistic nature is being brought to the surface more depending on who you are and what you're doing but you're going to keep that in mind in yes keep it in mind

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[SPEAKER_01]: continuing on death is well-born in war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the hour of combat, natural man scorns life.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is no longer his end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or sorry, it is no longer his end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He ceases to be its champion and becomes the champion of the species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like you're sacrificing yourself for the species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: war is no defiance of nature.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not against nature for the male to kill his fellow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not against nature for the male to be killed by his fellow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The law that governs relations between males with in a single species is a law of murder and risk.

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[SPEAKER_01]: War is a chapter of love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Males of the same species are intoxicated by tearing each other apart.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The intoxication of war is an intoxication of love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, why are we watching UFC?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why can you go on and doom scroll just people getting in fights and war scenes and people killing each other?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Why is that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no why that is.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's very strange isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't think it's strange, but I think that that's part of, that's one of the elements that people do in school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, of course, and love, by the way, and so if hard, how about this zoom out a little bit?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Mm-hmm.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, I agree with you that, hell yeah, like, two guys fight everyone's going to pause and watch for sure, you know, and love it in the more freaking active.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, we jump up and down and cheer.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hell yeah, but here is zoom out for, to a bigger picture too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what we like, just a little bit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: One click will zoom out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We like when two people have beef and issues, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They hate each other and we're like, oh, this is brewing up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We feel it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The entertainment starts right then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like they didn't fight yet.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They got beef for this reason or that reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people identify with this guy because of this and the other guy because he's from here or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they're beefing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They hate each other.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's just bubbling up until the climax of the fight, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Boom boom they fight, boom it's hard fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we like the hard fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't need that anti-climactic freaking short fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We want the hard fight, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: They fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They fight one winner emerges, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got to have the winner.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then after the fight, they make up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and they say, man, I respect you and boom, we love that that that that make up collaboration.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, you seem same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We just love work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It meant no, but if you add the other elements alongside it, it's a greater satisfaction is what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a greater thing like we like that more I think collectively.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think yeah, we like war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what I'm saying is yeah, I agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you add on those other parts of it, we like it even better.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Check.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So if there was the only thing that other part would be in, either here nor there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I wouldn't be near here than there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not quite as gratifying, but it still be.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm saying if we didn't love the other part of it,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: if when it came, if two guys, like I said, that whole scenario, whatever that happens by the way, if that happened versus another scenario the next week or the next year or whatever and they didn't make up and be friends or whatever afterwards, we'd still, if that was less significant, we wouldn't care about that second one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like, yeah, that's neither here nor there, that collaboration part at the end.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You seem saying, but it's not like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We tend to like the whole story.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we tend to, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We tend to, but it's not a critical,

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not the roots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Egoism is the false reckoning, or suddenly reminds men that they were not born for themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's the truth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Passophysm is an assault on honor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Man has but one man has but one majesty the knowledge of how to die pacifism denies him this The force that drives men into the line of fire is one of the most powerful in the world It surpasses even the force that drives them to love there are a few loves on earth for which one is willing to die love of country is one of them

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[SPEAKER_01]: He who has never wished to die has never truly loved.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we're sometimes we're getting kind of extreme here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not to reach summit that men climb mountains.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The nearness of death is so sweet that in absence of war, man invents games occasions to die.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't agree with that, yes sir.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you think about it, you know, when people like climb up Everest, if you, whatever mountain, like if you're doing that for the view, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, just send a drone up there with a GoPro attached to it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're doing it for the physical exertion, we'll just go and jump on a treadmill and, you know, go up the, whatever, stair climber and climb up, however far it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're only doing it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What makes it kind of what you want to do is let's face it by die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you have to replace War and look there's levels to that too, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because we do you know that we want to go to war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we can't

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, there's no work going on, so we're climbing mountains.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're playing football.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're playing basketball Like we're competing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to get in combat and you know I always say like if we're in a basketball game and you like fouled me a little bit much We might fight You know what I'm saying Yeah, you're it that's actually very

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's correct, I think, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That when there's no war, like we look for, he says death, but I'm like, I'm like, probably more right than he knows because we look for other wars, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if there's no other wars over here, we're gonna look for more here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If they're not over there, it's like, probably let me make one up real quick.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see how else I differ from this other person, or group, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Doesn't matter, it can be the most peaceful, freakin' time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, my God.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're just looking for that stuff, I get it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No species brings more frenzy to death than man.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None purifies itself more nor kills its own more readily.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Among animals only instincts clash, among men, it is ideas.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A differing belief carries within it a summons to death.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Every ideal is a pretext for killing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you gotta just get that spot on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like where the only where the only group where the only animal.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't like what you're what you're thinking I'm gonna murder everyone every one of your group.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean I think

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's kind of like a more sophisticated version of the animal stuff, you know, like most animals they'll kill another animal of any kind like either to eat them take this stuff or defend there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but a lot of times within their own species, most of the time it's it's more of a fake fight it's more of just they don't kill each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they sometimes accidentally kill each other or they sometimes kill each other because it gets it gets he did or whatever But a lot of times, you know, if you're a freaking elk and the you know if I'm the Smaller elk or the weaker elk and this other elk starts beating my ass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just leave He doesn't he doesn't like chase me down just kill me Occasionally they get killed because they got freaking giant knives on their head that they're stabbing into each other.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So occasionally, but like that's not their purpose

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[SPEAKER_01]: But humans be like, no, no, no, wait.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think different.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will chase you down and kill you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we have to make special laws You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like hey if the guy comes in your house you can kill him if they start running away You can't kill him anymore because a man will be like, oh you came in now Look and now you're trying to get away from me cool I'm going to walk down the street find you and kill you and now we got to say that's a more extreme law We got to put like that's you murdered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not man slaughter.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know and like a we got to put special laws like crimes of passion

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[SPEAKER_01]: like you know what I mean that's a lesser if if you you know for guy catches his wife and bed with a guy

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he kills them both on the spot.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will get less sentence than if he leaves and he comes back on one hour later and kills them both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first one is gonna be, I think it's not gonna be first degree murder.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can even get away with a damn manslaughter charge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll aggravate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That aggregated man slaughter something like that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not lawyer, but I know it's a lesser charge Like everybody knows that you just might lose your mind, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and they kind of they kind of make a some legal room for that Right, but we have to have a law that says oh you might calculate To go and just hunt a mother fucker definitely, you know, I mean like we have to have to have to say that like hey listen if you go to that Extreme you can't do that

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where I was like an elk like the other elk runs away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just like cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want the little scrap.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, a human.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hunt you down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to kill you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to come into your house at night and slit your throat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pleasures may fill the world, but it is ideas that govern it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature commands being to live beings to live only in order to serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Service is the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Living is merely the means.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The instinct of self-preservation in the mail is like caution in a troop advancing towards the enemy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It delivers him alive on foot and in position for combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: His final purpose as a being created to struggle and die.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, extreme.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The face of the male in combat is hideous.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It breathes, vise, and commands the blow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The male is horrific to the male.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He is that which must be exterminated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Take your own force, that to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You, you, your other species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is where people, you know,

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[SPEAKER_01]: pacifists are like what are we doing like wait that's this is another human being And you're gonna kill them Well, like what is happening right now?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Isn't it funny how you uh not funny, but when you start to Pair down like how groups will turn against to their I remember we were off the coast of Somalia in the 90s

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, there's almost a bunch of shit going on in Somalia at the time, and the Somali's had the, you know, they would give us the cultural brief on the Somali's.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the cultural briefs was they have this saying, it was like, me against my brother, my brother and I against my family, my family against my tribe, my tribe against Somalia, a Somalia against the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's how they just break shit down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's weird for like a pacifist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, wait a second.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your brother is also your tribe is also your Somali is also the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So why are you trying to make war with, you know, these other people that are basically, they, you know, all humans are brothers.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what's happening?

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what a pacifist is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can't even, can't even relate, you know, they just can't even relate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some people just don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When people like culturally are different, it's very difficult for them to even understand what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like when I think I was having a talk with my daughter about fighting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when someone doesn't know about grappling, they just don't even understand.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you could say, say someone boxed, let's say we went back 30 years right now, or 40 years, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Go back pre-UFC, and someone was a boxer, and you knew jujitsu.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, trying to explain to them that they should learn how to grapple, it would be like, you know, it would make no sense whatsoever, it would just make no sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was incomprehensible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You'd have to like fight them and choke them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't verbally explain it to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to show them, and it would even take them a long time to even realize then that grappling is good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to think the number was about four, maybe three to four submissions before someone even realizes even believes that what you're doing is real.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Back in the day before people knew Jesus too, I would grapple with someone and I'd submit them, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And people didn't really know Jesus or so, you know, catch him in an arm bar and they'd be like, you know, the look of this

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[SPEAKER_01]: And she goes, okay cool, guillotine, and they still are just like, wait, you know, this doesn't make, you know, you're whatever lucky thing just happened, it was not going to happen again, and then you didn't make a mirror.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then like, and usually by the third, by the fourth time they're like, okay, but the first two times, there's no belief whatsoever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So thinking that you're going to convey to somebody how radically different the world is very, very difficult.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're so right about that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you, um, let's say the grappling scenario, if you're, if you walk them through what you're doing to them in real time, then they'll start to grasp it, but it's kind of like never tried that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, here that's why I thought that the first three UFC's actually was one two and four were the kind of ones that I would watch all the time Is the announcer one of the announcers was like new new grappling.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he trained with like we're in in them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So he would kind of walk you through.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, okay, he's going to put him, you know, between his guard.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd say that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean his guard or now he's okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Got him down now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to mount him and, you know, this and that and it's like, bro, this guy even though I don't

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, what he's gonna do next to this guy does and he's walking us through it So it doesn't look like just one big shuffle of anarchy and he winds up in this magical position that I happen to have my arm like banter to happen to be you know Choked through it because that's what it feels like in real life You know, it is so weird to think of what grab what jiu-jitsu is from a place without knowledge.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it just must look like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it feels like oh, they locked out and even if you if you remember like, um You know when we're kids in high school.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember uh Like when you get on mount right and it's really hard for someone to because they don't even know what mount is They just feel like you're on top of them, you know, and then so you feel like oh shoot I just wound up in the spad spot Out of bad luck Yeah, yeah, let's do it again and whatever and then boom you're not again.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like

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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, now, maybe luck, you know, you know how it takes some a few times to understand all of these, you're doing this on purpose.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's insane.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's so common.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if you, if you, I'm trying to remember who it went, might have been hands over, I don't know, somebody where they were like, okay, they got in a fight.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they said, uh, the guy who he fought was like, let's go again, you know, I'm going to show you uh, what I'm going to do with that sneak attack stuff, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, called it sneak attack, even though it's very calculated stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not just some, you know, no.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't know the fundamental stuff, it just looks like one big kind of hodgepodge of nothingness and you wound up in this unfortunate bad luck situation.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems like, I mean, wow, it's like, no, no, this is the calculated.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'll tell you what's interesting from a leadership perspective.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's leadership too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And when people are thinking with the leadership principles, they're just there's ending up there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I go, you know, and hopefully if you're leading correctly,

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you know, obviously trying to teach people leadership and trying to bring them up, but when they're they're they're stumbling around and all of a sudden they're doing the thing that should be doing so they're kind of like, oh, you know, this is it makes sense, you know, or yeah, it's so too because even when you say, oh, yeah, they had good lead, you know, this real successful, I don't know, like even a football team, right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, they had really good leadership.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The head coach is so good, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're like, bro, what the hell's the head coach doing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: What are telling them a good job?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't get it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, how his leadership affected how fast this guy runs, how good this guy can catch, how good this guy can throw, how good this guy can tackle and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How does the head coach do that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't teach him that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's, you know, they're the ones doing this amazing stuff on the field and have that keep the coaches old guy just because what he he was on a team Like I don't get it, you know, but when you know how leadership works here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, this history just revealed, you know, kind of thing Because yeah, we don't see leadership like that kind of intuitively right we just see a guy walking and everyone just sort of all the way looks like you did to our trained eye.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So to check

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[SPEAKER_01]: The being knows it betrays, there is no bliss of but of the soul and no laurels, but of the species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it says here, as the footnote, every being possesses two souls, the soul of the body and the soul of the species.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The soul of the body seeks only pleasure, the soul of the species issues the command to serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He, who does not serve, knows he betrays.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The body craves comfort, rest, delight, the species demands effort, hardness, sacrifice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Come on, bro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all worthwhile.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like think about that right there is just...

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[SPEAKER_01]: It makes so much sense, you know, when you're looking out for yourself, people look out for themselves, and they bury that instinct to serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's rough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It comes out another way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it comes out in good ways.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They become very charitable, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, when you see these billionaires give a bunch of money at that, you know, before they die, they want to donate all their money to all these causes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And everything they're trying to become saviors, they're trying to make up for the fact that they were just, you know, doing stuff for themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then they go on and give all this money away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, well guess what?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The pursuit of happiness is impious.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pleasures are lures, they are not ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's saying, you know, in pieces like without God, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like pursuit of happiness is just not good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pleasures are lures.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just lures, not ends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The people who love war are the male peoples.

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[UNKNOWN]: The male people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The male people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the quote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maternity is the natural state of woman war is the natural state of males.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys going hard in the painting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The male who kills saves the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says nature imposes guarantees upon duration.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Races and males purchase the right to endure with their blood, the male who kills save the world, saves the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Philosophers may offer people the ideal of tranquil happiness, but tranquil happiness is not the only thing men desire.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, do you think this, do you think this has anything to do with, uh, you've heard of a midlife crisis?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes, and yes, I heard him in like some of you have seen people like um They pay to go to like a bootcamp scenario.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the recreational bootcamp scenario.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like a recreational bootcamp scenario Yeah, they're like pay for that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but but you know, I was like, oh, what are they missing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Are they missing because they were not they did they buried their warlike instinct for their life and then they get to be like 35 years old and they're like

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[SPEAKER_01]: They feel they want to gratify that thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're too old to just freaking straight up join the army and go get some.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, could be right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it feels like I don't know all the ones I've seen because you don't see dudes that were in the army or in the Marine Corps Signed up to go to one of those things right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not happening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, at least I don't I don't think it's happening Yeah, I don't think so either it wouldn't make much sense to me as of right now But I don't know I've never been to one so I don't know what it entails fully, but the it feels like

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[SPEAKER_00]: the attraction is not just the war part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you know how like there's many benefits to the military then just be able to fight you know according to this person.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In fact a lot of people join the military like with no intention of fighting you know like there's benefit to the human

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, no, but I'm seeing personal benefit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, saying like you get college paid for or you get.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you talked about structures.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you're listening.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You challenge yourself.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You come out more resilient in a lot of ways, stronger mentally, physically, like all this stuff or whatever, all like legitimate legitimate benefits.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And then when you kind of put them together, you can, you know how like the way the sum of this is worth more than it's worth or whatever it's like you have that element as well as far as like just personal development through life as it usually usually men go through things right so think about this I think they're trying to get that part of it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: out of these recreational, we'll say boot camps.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the whole like, oh, but a challenge for ourselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything that you just listed is all under the umbrella of being ready to freak and serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all like, that's what we respect about those things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't watch, when we drive by like a, you're driving down the road and you see in someone's window and you see a guy like just like eating a bag of Doritos and watching Netflix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you, you just

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't respect that person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have no, you're not like damn.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I was doing that right there Then you go buy a guy's open garage and he's freaking in their swing in a kettlebell and he's playing freaking Let's see what was mastered on Like dude like you kind of want your but you think like that guy's getting ready for war Your your animal instinct goes that guy's getting ready for the guy that's on account is not getting ready for

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I think is so when you go, I want that and so when you see those like adult boot camp things You're like, oh, that guy thinks that that's gonna get him ready for war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna scratch that inch that he has because he didn't just at freaking 17 years old Just sign the dotted line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I do agree with that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think it in a more zoomed out perspective

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[SPEAKER_00]: The war is one of them, but I think it has to do with overall just capability, you know, so like if you're a result of all these capabilities or the only reason we are not the only the main underlying reason that you can admit to or not that you respect these things is war.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I would say more specifically one of them yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that I would say the main one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The underlying one might not be the main one that you sense Because you play a bunch of frosting on top of it But if you get rid of the frosting you'll be like war war is the root

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it's the root out say it's one of the root tentacles.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But at this point, look, anytime I'm contesting this whole book or whatever or anytime it appears I'm contesting the whole book.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I just know that I'm not.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_00]: there's more to it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, hey, uh, freaking the tires of the most important part of the car with no tires.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're car ain't going nowhere.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's the roots.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what about, but no, no, you have a tire tire in concert with the engine.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you don't got an engine, your car ain't moving either.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Seems same.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we, we got you covered in this next one here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It says philosophers may strive to tarnish discredit and blonde and bind war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But the stags will go on bellowing in the woods and all males will go on offering themselves to slaughter and to death for the salvation of the species

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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can be over there like, well, you know, there's that and the other thing, but it's like cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: As I just said, the stacks are in the woods, getting after it, and the troops are on the battlefield right now, by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's 2026, we're all enlightened.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have education, we have the internet, we have philosophy, we have psychology, we understand the way the human mind works, we have medicine, we can save lives, and we got dudes right now, just unloading belt-fed machine content to transfer positions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm with you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature which is bound to pleasures to the acts of love has not forgotten the pleasures of combat, the pleasures of combat art, the thrill of risk, the thrill of killing, the thrill of being alive.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, confirmed death in battle is the natural end of males.

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[SPEAKER_01]: check you know we now what do we what do we do we like you get old you can't walk anymore you're you're losing your mind you're you have mental decay and all this stuff is going on or just death in battle wars will cease on earth when love is extinguished

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hero is a man of destiny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He obeys a mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, this guy's going hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do agree with that part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole mission thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There is no such thing as a pessimistic hero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would undertake nothing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Confirmed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The full array of military virtue does not yet make a hero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What sets him apart is the pleasure he takes in difficult situations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hero acts not out of duty he acts out of love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the brave man may do is give their life the heroes offer it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy's rolling out a world war one, two.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, go back and listen to Dick Hoffman and what was like trench warfare.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this guy got wounded eight times.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, he's there for the whole war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's this isn't some guy which he we later in the book talks about these other guys The people that are in the rear.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He talks about them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got a whole whole thing the whole thing But I just want to remind everybody here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not some You ever had to turn pavement princess?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, so you ever seen a big jacked-up truck?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it, but it just drives around like a mall.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know why we have an expression all go no show no show no go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, but This is he's he's not a pavement princess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he was in the shit as they say he's all go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's all go The hero is the one who forgets himself and gives himself Self-love guides men, but love for others guides heroes

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[SPEAKER_01]: Nature does not create heroes to live, but to serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroism is to serve.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroism is nothing but love.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is not effort.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it is joy, whether it is no longer joy, there is no longer heroism.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What was he say about that in a read the foot hope?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it is no more joy, honor may still remain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But heroism no longer does.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroism is the joy of effort for the struggle, for the love of the struggle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men may, men enjoy the universe only through the senses of their bodies.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes, the faculties of their souls, men are fulfilled by possessing heroes by giving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this whole section, you know, obviously talking about heroes, but

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost as if he talks about heroes as their borderline and other species, they just have to have a philosophically different existence in the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, men are fulfilled by possessing heroes by giving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men are servants of their bodies, heroes are servants of men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These people are thinking differently.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes beg for hard commands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: tragic days are wedding days for the brave, nature and trust heroes with the deeds too heavy for other men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he definitely views heroes, which I'm sure he saw plenty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Experience does not cure bravery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The builders of great fortunes never enjoy them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They go on pushing the bolder that crushes them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You definitely see that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: People, people, people, just, what, you can't get enough.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the saying, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, right, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you get enough?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, why is Elon Musk still working 18 hour days?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, bro, he has a trillion dollars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If I gave you a trillion dollars, today, how many hours a week would you work one month from now?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably not many, but that's two different things.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you give me a trillion dollars a different than me, you know, dedicating my life to something that, you know, ends up ends me up with a trillion dollars, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How much do you think, you know, you're always here, people that win the lottery that they, like the urban legend is, you know, they have all kinds of problems, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think, what do you think?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You think that's just urban legend.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You think it's facts?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I put it this way, it makes sense to me, yes, from the stories that I've heard, you know, you can watch little documentaries on this kind of stuff, I'm sure you can look up the statistics at some point to really get the facts, but it makes sense to me, yes, because

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I vote, it kind of makes sense to me that a person who winds up with XYZ, you know, whether it be riches or a be in great shape or basically the coveted things that people like have for the most part, they have that for a reason and put very simply it's because they're the type of person that lives the kind of life and takes the kind of actions that end up with this thing, right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You just don't turn it off.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it's like it's who you are and that's just in the money or whatever you want to point out that's just the the result the eventuality Assimptum of what kind of person you're in what kind of actions you take over time So Elon Musk or you know, whoever you want to say or even a guy in great shape will say

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in great shape because he did a bunch of stuff and lived his life a certain way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the type of person who ends up in good shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it works.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now anytime you sidestep that process, you end up with some weirdo problems.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, like, you know, we have these GLP1 peptides.

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[SPEAKER_00]: which that's kind of an example of that people will sidestep this process and take a drug for it and then it'll wind up with all these effects that are outside of that process that are on desired.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm saying so and that goes for any kind of sidestepping that process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_00]: So winning the lottery is another example of that where a person

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[SPEAKER_00]: isn't it when you win it most of the time when you win it through the lottery you're not the type of person who gets $500 million in this principle you see I'm saying so you end up with a five million dollars and you're like you kind of don't know what to do with it you're saying well you go to Vegas and you figure out real quick a lot of these lot of these people right exactly right or you buy a bunch of stuff that a person without five million hundred million dollars would want it by you see I'm saying

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[SPEAKER_01]: This happens to athletes too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, athletes that come in and put contracts and all of a sudden they just have all this money.

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[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of them end up with nothing, you know, they just below it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember an interview with Mike Tyson as a accountant and they were like, their questionnaire or the interviewer said, you know, Mike Tyson made $117 million last year.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How is it that he's broke and the counts out he's spent 118 million.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like there you go Like it's just numbers.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, you're watched the show Or you heard of the show called the biggest loser.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's a weight loss, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah exactly right so

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[SPEAKER_00]: You get these people who are not into working out, not into being diatarily conscious and all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they put them in this very strict and regimented program that has very few not very much wiggle room.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of like they have kind of no choice.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So they go through this process and they're very successful at losing weight and getting into, we'll say, getting into shape.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's a very, that's not really the real-world process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, the real-world process that people will have their struggles with is like, it's a world without those boundaries that are kind of artificially placed for this show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so they get this crazy success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy success.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Very fast, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Faster than the normal process.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And they don't have to contend with the, we'll say, the obstacles that the real-world process will provide.

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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no crispy cream sitting in the office at the corner in the grocery store when you're shopping You know all this stuff it whatever parties, you know get to get this all this stuff.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We get not choose So they go through this process, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is manufactured process or whatever they get the success And they go out in the real world and immediately gain it all back.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'm saying because they're not like what percentage

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a high percentage though, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Put it this way.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not be surprised if it's literally all of them.

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[SPEAKER_00]: 100%.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got to be fair on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what's kind of cool is like, at victory in my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We've had people that have lost hundreds of pounds, but the big difference that I think I see is like, they have a full life style change.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The person that had that was overweight,

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're not that person anymore and so what you're saying is which I agree with when you go to the biggest loser you lose weight but you're still the same person that you were before and there's a reason that you were in that position because you followed habits and you did the way you lived your life you're not a different person so interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like mothers, heroes place their purpose outside themselves.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's calling for the females that are listening that are very angry at some of the sentences that he said, he's saying, you know, mothers are heroes, which I agree with, the mom, the children come first.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the privilege of motherhood and heroism to find rapture where there's only pain and effort.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Perhaps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the love of danger, the thrill of risk, the need to affirm one's worth, the joy of exercising initiative, the pleasure of outwitting the enemy, the delight of harming him, the intoxication of combat, the certainty of survival, the pride of carrying through a difficult task, the ecstasy of performing extraordinary deeds, the honor of service, a healthy body, the exaltation

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes hear voices other than those of their own commanders, even in obedience, they dictate their own mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's legit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the little footnote hears as one can obey heroically, but even in obedience, the hero assigns himself his mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Obedience is not always easy for the hero.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He hears other voices than those of his superiors.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men conquer only to enjoy heroes conquer only to give.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes are servants of men before they are servants of their leaders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hero knows his own cowardice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hero too has days when he is tempted to only live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a rough one, that kind of lands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How many days are you tempted to only live?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's face it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only living is sort of the default modern mode.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, get up, brush your teeth, scroll your phone, eat a donut, climbing your mechanical transit machine, put a radiation thing in your ear,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Get to the secure compound, enter it, leave your machine, go into your cubicle, look at the numbers on the screen, radiation into your face.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what's living, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So just got to be careful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We tempted to only live.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes have their temptations, but they are heroic temptations.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men must be pushed forward.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes must be held back.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neither fatigue nor hunger hold sway over heroes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Men take turns on duty.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes do not.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Neither mothers nor heroes are ever relieved of their watch.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hero wants to suffer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He takes pride in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Heroes love defeat for presents with them great duties and opens the realm of the initiative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One must be gentle with heroes even when they are mistaken outside of combat, they are defenseless.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's interesting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's sort of the, you know, the stereotypical war movie.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll have the guy that's kind of shy or he's kind of whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then he'll just do, like, insane, heroic stuff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When a man has given his all in a critical moment, he is beyond reproach even if he was wrong.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you got,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good initiative strong or good initiative bad judgment.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You ever heard that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a very common saying in the military.

01:00:00.642 --> 01:00:10.464
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, hey, the way you flanked and ran over there and like, good job, but You know, good initiative Judgment wasn't a little bit off.

01:00:10.704 --> 01:00:13.205
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like the old school a a for effort, right?

01:00:13.725 --> 01:00:15.385
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe a people meant a for effort.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:00:16.146 --> 01:00:17.186
[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of the street hard.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:00:19.086 --> 01:00:20.667
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't work out the way we wanted it to.

01:00:23.008 --> 01:00:28.513
[SPEAKER_01]: The hero takes his impulses only from himself.

01:00:28.853 --> 01:00:31.575
[SPEAKER_01]: He may be disciplined but he cannot be governed.

01:00:32.256 --> 01:00:35.038
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a very interesting portrait that he paints of a heroic person.

01:00:38.341 --> 01:00:46.207
[SPEAKER_01]: It is a great disappointment for a brave man to be poorly received by his superiors or peers on the evening of battle where he gave everything of himself.

01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:55.023
[SPEAKER_01]: Boldness is madness to those who fear, to those who see clearly it is reason.

01:00:58.065 --> 01:01:01.708
[SPEAKER_01]: To deny the enemy, this is the brave man's first reflex.

01:01:04.290 --> 01:01:08.573
[SPEAKER_01]: The love of difficult situations come from the certainty of overcoming them.

01:01:12.614 --> 01:01:16.578
[SPEAKER_01]: The hero feels no passion for victory, victory ends his mission.

01:01:17.219 --> 01:01:17.819
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some day this war is going to end.

01:01:19.481 --> 01:01:20.222
[SPEAKER_01]: Colonel Kilgor.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?

01:01:21.723 --> 01:01:22.484
[SPEAKER_01]: Apocalypse now.

01:01:23.445 --> 01:01:24.686
[SPEAKER_01]: You know that scene I'm talking about?

01:01:25.828 --> 01:01:29.191
[SPEAKER_01]: There's the one of the most famous scenes in cinema.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Bye.

01:01:30.132 --> 01:01:30.733
[SPEAKER_00]: Good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How can you not know this scene?

01:01:32.454 --> 01:01:35.778
[SPEAKER_00]: I, you know, I see some movies on my don't, you know?

01:01:36.049 --> 01:01:44.573
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well Colonel Kilgour, that this battle has taken place, and you know, he says to the captain from special forces.

01:01:44.593 --> 01:01:45.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you smell that?

01:01:45.213 --> 01:01:45.713
[SPEAKER_01]: You smell that?

01:01:46.474 --> 01:01:48.435
[SPEAKER_01]: Napalms, so nothing else in the world smells like that.

01:01:50.155 --> 01:01:54.517
[SPEAKER_01]: One time we had an air pump for 12 hours, and it was all over, I walked up, and we didn't see one of them.

01:01:54.557 --> 01:02:02.001
[SPEAKER_01]: Not once thinking, ding, body, but that smell, that gasoline smell, the whole hill, smell like victory.

01:02:04.623 --> 01:02:12.812
[SPEAKER_01]: And after that speech, he goes something this war is going to end in the most despondent little undertone, right?

01:02:13.333 --> 01:02:15.855
[SPEAKER_01]: Because he knows he's where he's supposed to be, this is good it's going to get.

01:02:15.875 --> 01:02:16.756
[SPEAKER_01]: This is it.

01:02:16.956 --> 01:02:17.157
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:02:17.397 --> 01:02:18.438
[SPEAKER_01]: Some day this war is going to end.

01:02:21.241 --> 01:02:22.062
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt like that.

01:02:24.690 --> 01:02:43.101
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, like, my first deployment to Iraq, I definitely was like, hey, this war's going to be over quick, like it's 2004, things, you know, we were doing, it seems like things were going well, right until the end, but, yeah, only a long triumph, crowned by death truly makes the hero.

01:02:44.342 --> 01:02:49.725
[SPEAKER_01]: The hero who falls in his first battle or survives his last seems not quite a hero.

01:02:52.328 --> 01:02:58.850
[SPEAKER_01]: The days that end wars are days of mourning for the hero, straight up.

01:03:00.250 --> 01:03:07.232
[SPEAKER_01]: Those who have not endured, those who have not endured them cannot fathom the depths of deprivation in war.

01:03:07.552 --> 01:03:13.134
[SPEAKER_00]: So here's this guy that's talking about war, love war, all this great stuff, war, war, war, everyone's bent to go more.

01:03:13.534 --> 01:03:16.355
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, hey, if you have been in war, you can't understand the deprivation of war.

01:03:16.555 --> 01:03:20.156
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, he's talking about World War I, he's talking about World War I.

01:03:21.904 --> 01:03:22.765
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's talking about.

01:03:22.805 --> 01:03:23.886
[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about trenches.

01:03:24.126 --> 01:03:25.187
[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about maggots.

01:03:25.467 --> 01:03:29.210
[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about entire battalions being wiped out.

01:03:29.891 --> 01:03:31.292
[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about mustard gas.

01:03:31.733 --> 01:03:32.553
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he's talking about.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of deprivation.

01:03:35.476 --> 01:03:37.898
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, deprivation to the end of the degree.

01:03:39.139 --> 01:03:44.524
[SPEAKER_01]: At times, the fatigue of war is so immense that one longs for death simply to be done with it.

01:03:49.926 --> 01:03:52.247
[SPEAKER_01]: hunger, battle, sleeplessness.

01:03:53.068 --> 01:03:59.711
[SPEAKER_01]: These drive a soldier's spirit to its highest pitch, divine souls inhabit broken bodies.

01:04:00.932 --> 01:04:03.974
[SPEAKER_01]: Souls are refined as bodies are drained.

01:04:05.034 --> 01:04:09.597
[SPEAKER_01]: The most exalted hearts in battle are the most exhausted ones.

01:04:12.818 --> 01:04:15.180
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a purification ritual in his mind.

01:04:18.962 --> 01:04:45.347
[SPEAKER_01]: fatigue invites scorn he's like do not get tired you will be scorned for fatigue he's also saying like you're gonna be exhausted it's so horrible but like don't show it don't show it exhaustion is never confessed not in love nor in war pride lies in seaming beyond human limits the brave hide their weiriness as lovers do

01:04:48.952 --> 01:04:53.613
[SPEAKER_01]: don't show it, fatigue does not exist in war.

01:04:53.973 --> 01:04:55.894
[SPEAKER_01]: Man's resources, there are infinite.

01:04:56.154 --> 01:04:58.094
[SPEAKER_01]: Fatigue is weakness in the soul.

01:05:02.255 --> 01:05:06.676
[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, I got a picture of me and Dave Burke on a cop falcon right after we took it down, we're asleep.

01:05:08.636 --> 01:05:09.997
[SPEAKER_01]: The rest between sets.

01:05:10.037 --> 01:05:11.877
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're definitely got to rest between sets.

01:05:12.557 --> 01:05:15.438
[SPEAKER_01]: In war, no man who kills has need of rest.

01:05:17.605 --> 01:05:19.349
[SPEAKER_01]: War is a passion of the soul.

01:05:21.554 --> 01:05:24.821
[SPEAKER_01]: The more the body is consumed, the more the soul is purified.

01:05:28.975 --> 01:05:33.277
[SPEAKER_01]: Nature endowed men with virtues, but they reveal them only in war.

01:05:33.797 --> 01:05:36.638
[SPEAKER_01]: He, who is not known war, does not know man.

01:05:37.139 --> 01:05:40.740
[SPEAKER_01]: Mediocre an ordinary life, man is radian in war.

01:05:41.361 --> 01:05:49.064
[SPEAKER_01]: Because his virtues are martial, because nature made him for struggle, because war is the natural state of males.

01:05:51.035 --> 01:06:03.380
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, when you were describing like what you would want to get out of one of these boot camp scenarios, you're going to get want to get these various virtues, and what he's saying is like, the virtues that we're talking about, they're Marshall virtues.

01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:04.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're just for war.

01:06:04.680 --> 01:06:05.180
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they are.

01:06:05.841 --> 01:06:08.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Healthy, smart, sharp, disciplined.

01:06:08.502 --> 01:06:10.322
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, those are cool for business.

01:06:10.342 --> 01:06:11.463
[SPEAKER_01]: They're cool for being a dad.

01:06:11.483 --> 01:06:16.905
[SPEAKER_01]: They're cool for your health, but like, core, they're just good for combat.

01:06:17.245 --> 01:06:17.425
[SPEAKER_00]: Mm.

01:06:20.525 --> 01:06:25.969
[SPEAKER_01]: War is to men, what still water is to swans, the place of their beauty.

01:06:30.552 --> 01:06:37.376
[SPEAKER_01]: To say to a man, you will die there, and for him to die there, this is one of war's grandiors.

01:06:39.398 --> 01:06:42.380
[SPEAKER_01]: It is war's harshness that grants its sanctity.

01:06:44.420 --> 01:07:00.172
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the sanctity, he's got a little footnote here, hardship, fatigue, which he just said, you don't get tired, but he knows you get tired, hardship, fatigue, deprivation, days without fire, nights without shelter, water, snow, danger, wounds, death.

01:07:00.893 --> 01:07:03.194
[SPEAKER_01]: These are the sources of war's grandeur.

01:07:06.337 --> 01:07:09.679
[SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a lot of this is kind of saying the quiet part out loud.

01:07:15.106 --> 01:07:34.697
[SPEAKER_01]: these things a lot of these things are sort of saying the quiet part out loud like what why is it we want to watch a warm movie oh because death wounds freezing like cold suffering you know like how is that movie all due to it was or due to the tape they really showed what it's up yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this too

01:07:37.843 --> 01:07:47.609
[SPEAKER_01]: Humility, poverty, chastity, faith, hope, charity, mortification, the Christian virtues.

01:07:48.189 --> 01:07:55.714
[SPEAKER_01]: Why can so few attain them in ordinary life while in war all rise them effortlessly?

01:07:57.035 --> 01:08:00.557
[SPEAKER_01]: All rise to them effortlessly and with bliss.

01:08:03.686 --> 01:08:03.886
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:08:04.326 --> 01:08:09.068
[SPEAKER_01]: Unfortunately, he doesn't mention the other side of that coin, which is like you also get total depravity sometimes and more.

01:08:09.288 --> 01:08:17.411
[SPEAKER_01]: You get the Meal Eye Massacre, you get Sand Creek, like you get some very gnarly shit that goes down and more.

01:08:17.631 --> 01:08:23.413
[SPEAKER_01]: Not everyone rises to the, uh, rises to the Christian virtues in war.

01:08:26.328 --> 01:08:36.970
[SPEAKER_01]: War is the noble form of human activity, poverty there brings no shame, vanity finds no place in it, duty fulfilled fills the soul.

01:08:40.070 --> 01:08:43.571
[SPEAKER_01]: Men are brothers in war, war is the golden age.

01:08:56.190 --> 01:08:59.112
[SPEAKER_01]: you get just wars just happen.

01:09:00.814 --> 01:09:07.399
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember the term spontaneous combustion, like there was some weird thing in the 70s and 80s.

01:09:07.859 --> 01:09:10.481
[SPEAKER_01]: And it happens, human beings try to fire sometimes, right?

01:09:10.641 --> 01:09:12.262
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called spontaneous combustion.

01:09:12.963 --> 01:09:20.829
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess it's spontaneous, but there's also just spontaneous combustion with like some fuel source that's been in a closet and it gets a certain temper and just spontaneously combust.

01:09:21.490 --> 01:09:24.132
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like war just spontaneously combust.

01:09:27.033 --> 01:09:30.494
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's because it's because these underlying, like, think, or am.

01:09:30.715 --> 01:09:31.695
[SPEAKER_01]: This underlying thing.

01:09:31.955 --> 01:09:36.877
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I've talked with the last council, and I had this whole thing about human's acting like humans.

01:09:37.157 --> 01:09:50.321
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, you can't be surprised when, you know, somebody on your team does some like little thing to look out for themselves or tries to, you know, get this little maneuver in so they can get, they can get promoted instead of that guy.

01:09:50.341 --> 01:09:52.922
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you can't be surprised, like, by that.

01:09:53.642 --> 01:09:54.785
[SPEAKER_01]: It's human's acting like humans.

01:09:55.166 --> 01:09:57.150
[SPEAKER_01]: You have to expect that a human's gonna act like a human.

01:09:57.531 --> 01:10:02.122
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you gotta whatever nine billion people on the planet, humans are gonna act like humans, they're gonna go to war.

01:10:04.590 --> 01:10:07.512
[SPEAKER_01]: And I believe me, I'm not pro-war, obviously.

01:10:07.532 --> 01:10:08.192
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you're not?

01:10:08.693 --> 01:10:12.515
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just trying to say that when it pops off, you can't be like, oh, I'm so surprised.

01:10:12.795 --> 01:10:14.356
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm so surprised that it popped off.

01:10:14.776 --> 01:10:15.976
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, hopefully.

01:10:16.557 --> 01:10:25.041
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm trying to figure out where this kind of lands overall because there are certain things about what he's saying, and of course, he's being extreme.

01:10:25.542 --> 01:10:29.924
[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, it kind of feels undeniable a lot of these things where

01:10:31.496 --> 01:10:51.889
[SPEAKER_00]: in and of itself it's hard to refute but at the same time it's almost like hey wait a second is that the only thing though because he's like saying this is it for life you seem saying I get it I get it I think what he's saying is these or he doesn't necessarily say this but I think all the way his belief would fall out is the

01:10:52.289 --> 01:11:18.087
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the underlying spirit of humans, yeah, of male humans, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

01:11:18.842 --> 01:11:20.385
[SPEAKER_01]: But okay, their brand's not developed, right?

01:11:20.405 --> 01:11:25.354
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause when your your mail brain doesn't develop until it's 25, like the frontal lobes it fully developed.

01:11:25.714 --> 01:11:28.579
[SPEAKER_01]: So you take a 19 year old, what do you want to go to war?

01:11:28.740 --> 01:11:28.980
[SPEAKER_01]: Who?

01:11:29.100 --> 01:11:29.321
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:33.841
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's what they're saying a little bit of a selection bias.

01:11:34.001 --> 01:11:52.295
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a total selection bias, but I'm still saying that like you take a Group of 20 mails Yeah, you're that have fallen tiered and look can you go to a college campus somewhere to somebody that's taking classes on what whatever Freaking stupid classes taking to be like, do you want to go to war?

01:11:52.615 --> 01:11:59.040
[SPEAKER_01]: You'd be like no hell no you don't I mean of course, of course, you know, so yes, it's total by a survey that I did

01:12:00.161 --> 01:12:09.746
[SPEAKER_00]: But actually I do agree with you though even even like this college very specific example they said to on the other side Which I actually for the point or for the sake of this point.

01:12:10.226 --> 01:12:13.648
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like we could dismiss But if you just grab any typical.

01:12:13.748 --> 01:12:24.393
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a group of a hundred Male humans ages 18 to don't know 30 we'll say and you you know put them in some

01:12:25.367 --> 01:12:28.489
[SPEAKER_00]: thing where outside interests are kind of like know the little bit.

01:12:29.429 --> 01:12:33.332
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like the thing that's going to start bubbling up is the war.

01:12:33.432 --> 01:12:36.734
[SPEAKER_00]: The martial virtues will say, I do, I believe that.

01:12:37.114 --> 01:12:44.158
[SPEAKER_01]: Generally speaking, and listen, are there nine people in that group of 100 that are, they don't want to go to war.

01:12:44.198 --> 01:12:44.278
[SPEAKER_01]: They

01:12:48.220 --> 01:13:12.559
[SPEAKER_01]: the other and there's some that are like they will go to war like regardless like if you don't if you don't send a war for the country they're gonna go to war for a gang they're gonna go to war for something they're gonna figure something they're gonna figure out a way to go to war yeah and then there's a bunch of people that like hey if that opportunity comes up yeah you know like I'm kind of down right and they're watching war movies that what what I totally forgot about what about war video games have you seen a war video game yeah

01:13:13.449 --> 01:13:18.904
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen Call of Duty or whatever like those things are just war in a video game why are those things so popular?

01:13:19.205 --> 01:13:20.770
[SPEAKER_01]: They even make way more money than a movie

01:13:21.513 --> 01:13:45.720
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to do you want even better, you're more right than you know for the really video game things, even like if it's not an actual like military war game, it's always some fight against the enemy game, and then, and you can say, well, what else kind of game, well, you can have all kinds of different skill games, there's a game, yeah, there's like, like there's a game about building, but you can fight other people in a way.

01:13:45.880 --> 01:13:51.688
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but there's games where there's like, you can make a game where there's literally no fighting or combat of this kind of time.

01:13:51.708 --> 01:13:52.650
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a game of the Sims.

01:13:53.110 --> 01:13:56.195
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just you just build, I don't know, I've never played it, but I seen people play it.

01:13:56.455 --> 01:13:59.660
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I remember there was a game with a bird trying to fly through like some areas.

01:14:01.091 --> 01:14:06.053
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, maybe, I don't know, but you try to make it through like different pipes.

01:14:06.813 --> 01:14:08.173
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was really popular.

01:14:08.294 --> 01:14:09.574
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.

01:14:09.594 --> 01:14:11.895
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, it was a bird, but it wasn't fighting anyone.

01:14:12.095 --> 01:14:15.596
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was trying to make it, you know what I mean, it was trying to make it through the scenario.

01:14:15.796 --> 01:14:16.076
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:16.116 --> 01:14:17.277
[SPEAKER_01]: But the scenario was not combat.

01:14:17.517 --> 01:14:18.237
[SPEAKER_01]: It was just flying.

01:14:18.857 --> 01:14:19.117
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

01:14:19.257 --> 01:14:27.000
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can make, you don't necessarily need to have a combat and war in a video game.

01:14:27.460 --> 01:14:29.881
[SPEAKER_01]: And yet there's a lot of combat more in video games.

01:14:30.061 --> 01:14:33.563
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fully, and that's not to say they're all kind of, you know, there's racing games.

01:14:33.583 --> 01:14:34.704
[SPEAKER_00]: There's, yeah, you know, whatever.

01:14:35.224 --> 01:14:39.587
[SPEAKER_00]: But, um, but let's say old school, Super Mario Brothers.

01:14:40.087 --> 01:14:42.268
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, you're fighting these, it's a war game.

01:14:42.648 --> 01:14:43.909
[SPEAKER_00]: You're literally fighting them.

01:14:44.089 --> 01:14:44.490
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:14:44.850 --> 01:14:46.511
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you fighting against in Super Mario Brothers?

01:14:46.531 --> 01:14:53.435
[SPEAKER_00]: You can mushroom beings, turtles with wings, and they're half turtle half like duck or something like this.

01:14:53.815 --> 01:14:55.996
[SPEAKER_01]: Are there modern versions of Super Mario Brothers?

01:14:56.917 --> 01:14:58.738
[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it all just like old school 80s?

01:14:59.138 --> 01:15:02.659
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Super Mario Brothers has a whole thing.

01:15:02.799 --> 01:15:03.820
[SPEAKER_01]: What's Mario Kart?

01:15:04.060 --> 01:15:09.382
[SPEAKER_00]: Mario Kart is the go-kart racing with all the characters from the Mario universe.

01:15:09.682 --> 01:15:14.004
[SPEAKER_00]: So Mario, yeah, all the people, and you can select your kart and select their backstory.

01:15:14.044 --> 01:15:15.764
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where did Luigi come from?

01:15:15.784 --> 01:15:16.785
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:15:16.805 --> 01:15:17.325
[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to...

01:15:18.185 --> 01:15:20.766
[SPEAKER_00]: It's actually pretty good fun when you look into it.

01:15:20.826 --> 01:15:28.389
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of it had to do, because we played Super Mario Brothers when I was young, but it's like, they go pretty deep in the storyline.

01:15:28.789 --> 01:15:31.753
[SPEAKER_00]: So stuff starts to make sense, you know, are they plumbers?

01:15:32.093 --> 01:15:32.834
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're plumbers.

01:15:32.974 --> 01:15:36.798
[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's a whole thing.

01:15:36.818 --> 01:15:49.993
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, you're just fighting against that against the freaking boom buzz and the freaking whatever is in that and then so and how's thinking to win like in life, you know, when you get stuff right without the work we'll say.

01:15:50.613 --> 01:15:51.674
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing like whatever.

01:15:51.754 --> 01:15:53.455
[SPEAKER_00]: What are people trying to achieve in life?

01:15:53.515 --> 01:15:55.036
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying in civilized life also.

01:15:55.196 --> 01:16:00.200
[SPEAKER_00]: Even in like less than civilized life There has to be something fighting for something, right?

01:16:00.320 --> 01:16:01.761
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like it looks just fight to fight.

01:16:01.801 --> 01:16:07.525
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I'm like trying and still struggling to land this whole book on the whole of life

01:16:08.325 --> 01:16:22.965
[SPEAKER_00]: the entirety of life, like I don't know, I think that's a very specific context, which is war, which you can't, you can't, I don't think you can really deny these, they're extreme for sure, but it's hard to think, but it's like, okay, we're fighting, we're warring, we're warring.

01:16:23.846 --> 01:16:44.758
[SPEAKER_00]: tribes or people whatever but like for what there's always something it seems like anyway you're fighting for so it feels like that's gonna kind of give rise to understanding like okay where it is war and all this that he's talking about where does it fit in you know kind of a thing so you're like okay let me say I'm gonna go save a princess right because she's in danger somewhere

01:16:45.542 --> 01:16:50.183
[SPEAKER_00]: When it's that, I go through my little journey, right, in life, and I go, and I, and I, and I, oh, shoot, I find her.

01:16:50.303 --> 01:16:50.683
[SPEAKER_00]: I found her.

01:16:50.703 --> 01:16:52.023
[SPEAKER_00]: She's in the woods.

01:16:52.403 --> 01:16:54.064
[SPEAKER_00]: She just tripped in, spraying her ankle.

01:16:54.104 --> 01:16:58.725
[SPEAKER_00]: She, she was stuck there, and I found her, whatever, bring her home, whatever, and it's all peace.

01:16:59.645 --> 01:17:08.747
[SPEAKER_00]: Part of you, I think, for most people, would be like, I'm glad I found her, but it would have been way more fulfilling if there was some bad guy who kidnapped her, and I killed the bad guy.

01:17:09.007 --> 01:17:11.227
[SPEAKER_00]: If there was some battle that ensued, you know,

01:17:11.407 --> 01:17:12.787
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, human nature right there.

01:17:12.907 --> 01:17:13.368
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:17:13.788 --> 01:17:16.008
[SPEAKER_00]: So it is undeniable that this is it.

01:17:16.168 --> 01:17:20.389
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is fundamental Critical part of the narrative.

01:17:20.409 --> 01:17:21.110
[SPEAKER_00]: There's something there.

01:17:21.130 --> 01:17:21.830
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tonight.

01:17:21.850 --> 01:17:29.792
[SPEAKER_01]: You know Birth wealth vanities lose all value in war man is adorned only with his virtues

01:17:31.964 --> 01:17:35.985
[SPEAKER_01]: In war, the ranks collapse beneath the weight of virtue.

01:17:37.166 --> 01:17:37.926
[SPEAKER_01]: And then interesting.

01:17:39.127 --> 01:17:44.128
[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually you're getting judged not on your rank, but on your virtues, who you are as a person.

01:17:45.149 --> 01:17:47.609
[SPEAKER_01]: It is good to toil when one serves.

01:17:48.030 --> 01:17:48.850
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you just said.

01:17:49.772 --> 01:17:51.853
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we don't want to just rescue the princess.

01:17:52.414 --> 01:17:56.396
[SPEAKER_01]: That's serving, but we want a toile song.

01:17:58.437 --> 01:18:02.940
[SPEAKER_01]: The pleasure seekers of this world are wrong to think themselves happy.

01:18:03.200 --> 01:18:05.822
[SPEAKER_01]: Their delight seemed pitiful on the front line.

01:18:06.662 --> 01:18:10.365
[SPEAKER_01]: The man who sleeps on the ground would not trade his bed for any other.

01:18:11.186 --> 01:18:14.329
[SPEAKER_01]: Bottily softness is the soul's mourning.

01:18:15.550 --> 01:18:20.415
[SPEAKER_01]: Nature grants her blessings only to those who serve her through effort.

01:18:23.397 --> 01:18:23.818
[SPEAKER_01]: Check.

01:18:24.638 --> 01:18:30.384
[SPEAKER_01]: Pleasure seekers are beggars, living day by day on the alms of their own flesh.

01:18:34.803 --> 01:18:46.700
[SPEAKER_01]: Just as covenants, weep for the world the soldier, for the world the soldiers prefer their hardship to the soft and hollow ease of the so-called fortunate.

01:18:48.648 --> 01:19:00.052
[SPEAKER_01]: This is why when that first rocky movie came out and like when he starts going hard everyone gets fired up Yeah Like he's gonna wake up at four He's gonna drink eggs.

01:19:00.252 --> 01:19:03.373
[SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna run in the cold and every no one goes.

01:19:03.613 --> 01:19:10.075
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm gonna I'm gonna turn soft now Yeah, that I don't really No one does that.

01:19:10.235 --> 01:19:12.555
[SPEAKER_01]: It's you know, it's like a massive movie.

01:19:12.856 --> 01:19:17.497
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's just Marshall activities It's a set of system

01:19:20.599 --> 01:19:21.360
[SPEAKER_01]: asceticism.

01:19:21.560 --> 01:19:22.480
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a word.

01:19:22.540 --> 01:19:23.161
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a word.

01:19:23.181 --> 01:19:24.581
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a giving.

01:19:24.942 --> 01:19:25.682
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a card living.

01:19:26.262 --> 01:19:27.583
[SPEAKER_01]: Giving things up, living lean.

01:19:29.544 --> 01:19:33.247
[SPEAKER_01]: Just fences, walls, locks.

01:19:33.487 --> 01:19:35.248
[SPEAKER_01]: These are insults to liberty.

01:19:35.848 --> 01:19:37.989
[SPEAKER_01]: Social life is nothing but prohibition.

01:19:38.290 --> 01:19:39.751
[SPEAKER_01]: Man suffocates within it.

01:19:40.531 --> 01:19:42.092
[SPEAKER_01]: War permits everything.

01:19:42.772 --> 01:19:43.893
[SPEAKER_01]: The soldier is poor.

01:19:44.293 --> 01:19:46.194
[SPEAKER_01]: Yet the world belongs to him.

01:19:49.675 --> 01:20:08.211
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll close it out with this little section here and we'll pick it up in the next podcast and give Quentin Renee some more time in social life man is torn by conflicting duties life is light in war because duty is simple and the path is clear.

01:20:08.391 --> 01:20:10.012
[SPEAKER_01]: You hear so many veterans talk about that.

01:20:10.192 --> 01:20:11.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they're like on deployment.

01:20:11.874 --> 01:20:12.654
[SPEAKER_01]: Nothing else matters.

01:20:12.674 --> 01:20:13.675
[SPEAKER_01]: Just get to do what you get to do.

01:20:13.695 --> 01:20:15.016
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to this which focused on.

01:20:17.825 --> 01:20:23.049
[SPEAKER_01]: and here it is, wars restore the religious feeling in those who have lost it.

01:20:23.910 --> 01:20:27.973
[SPEAKER_01]: In ordinary life, men believe themselves masters of their fate.

01:20:28.313 --> 01:20:31.035
[SPEAKER_01]: They look only to themselves for their fortune.

01:20:32.076 --> 01:20:37.820
[SPEAKER_01]: But when life and death depend on forces beyond them, they awaken to their weakness.

01:20:39.402 --> 01:20:45.807
[SPEAKER_01]: They invent a God, Lord of fate, and place all themselves in His hands.

01:20:47.610 --> 01:20:51.248
[SPEAKER_01]: It is easy living that kills the gods.

01:20:55.648 --> 01:21:07.992
[SPEAKER_01]: So, there you go, like I said, we'll finish these maximums on the next podcast, but that's a good one, I think good one to finish with tonight, easy living, the kills the cards.

01:21:08.052 --> 01:21:15.995
[SPEAKER_01]: So, let's avoid the easy living, which is, which is, look, easy living is all around us right now in the modern world.

01:21:17.216 --> 01:21:22.677
[SPEAKER_01]: It's all around us, but you cannot just go gentle into the easy living.

01:21:23.138 --> 01:21:23.738
[SPEAKER_01]: You got to fight it.

01:21:25.459 --> 01:21:28.741
[SPEAKER_01]: And one good way to fight that is getting after it.

01:21:29.141 --> 01:21:36.106
[SPEAKER_01]: Like physical exertion running sprinting, jujitsu, I highly recommend, highly recommend the jujitsu.

01:21:36.586 --> 01:21:42.530
[SPEAKER_01]: Swimming, lifting, throwing, there's been a lot of throwing going on and the willing can family right now.

01:21:42.650 --> 01:21:43.351
[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard things.

01:21:44.071 --> 01:21:49.677
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so shout out to, we're gonna shout out to the throwers like Ricky Brute, right?

01:21:49.697 --> 01:21:50.337
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you hell yeah.

01:21:51.218 --> 01:21:52.900
[SPEAKER_01]: Krause are out there just getting after it.

01:21:53.400 --> 01:21:54.902
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, well, it's we got.

01:21:57.325 --> 01:21:57.685
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, how?

01:21:58.185 --> 01:22:01.167
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we might as well throw Bert's horn in there.

01:22:01.267 --> 01:22:01.687
[SPEAKER_01]: He's out there.

01:22:02.187 --> 01:22:05.369
[SPEAKER_01]: Bert, Bert, he was at my house.

01:22:06.129 --> 01:22:10.511
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, I was like, I surprisingly, you know, I have like seal maces at my house.

01:22:10.591 --> 01:22:11.752
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:22:11.772 --> 01:22:15.193
[SPEAKER_01]: And he surprisingly, he was like, I had never worked with him too much.

01:22:16.234 --> 01:22:18.735
[SPEAKER_01]: And I kind of like showed him something.

01:22:19.315 --> 01:22:20.716
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, he was a hammer thrower.

01:22:20.976 --> 01:22:21.977
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, forever in college.

01:22:21.997 --> 01:22:22.477
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, hell.

01:22:22.597 --> 01:22:24.678
[SPEAKER_01]: And he just picked this thing up and looked like you just like,

01:22:27.059 --> 01:22:28.639
[SPEAKER_00]: Like his face still water just doing it.

01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:30.520
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so that's what we're doing, man.

01:22:30.540 --> 01:22:31.100
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.

01:22:31.120 --> 01:22:31.980
[SPEAKER_01]: We're out there getting after it.

01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:33.660
[SPEAKER_01]: That means you need fuel.

01:22:34.641 --> 01:22:35.601
[SPEAKER_01]: We recommend Jockel fuel.

01:22:36.001 --> 01:22:37.361
[SPEAKER_01]: Get you need protein in your body.

01:22:38.702 --> 01:22:40.322
[SPEAKER_01]: You need it.

01:22:40.642 --> 01:22:42.262
[SPEAKER_01]: If you need it, you might as well enjoy it.

01:22:43.122 --> 01:22:45.423
[SPEAKER_01]: And look, does that make it easy life?

01:22:46.483 --> 01:22:49.344
[SPEAKER_01]: Because we're having something that tastes good.

01:22:49.884 --> 01:22:54.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Should we make a form of protein that tastes bad?

01:22:55.185 --> 01:22:58.427
[SPEAKER_01]: So that you have to impose your discipline just to choke it down.

01:22:59.787 --> 01:23:00.608
[SPEAKER_01]: Guess we could do that.

01:23:00.628 --> 01:23:01.988
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't recommend it.

01:23:02.669 --> 01:23:06.150
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe if you want to do that personally, you can mix it with something that you don't like.

01:23:07.611 --> 01:23:08.191
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:23:08.611 --> 01:23:09.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sure.

01:23:09.432 --> 01:23:09.612
[SPEAKER_00]: Do it.

01:23:09.632 --> 01:23:10.332
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:23:10.532 --> 01:23:11.673
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, mix it with something you don't like.

01:23:11.873 --> 01:23:12.393
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, cool.

01:23:12.833 --> 01:23:14.094
[SPEAKER_01]: Otherwise, you're in for a treat.

01:23:14.474 --> 01:23:15.675
[SPEAKER_01]: You're in for some dessert.

01:23:16.375 --> 01:23:17.575
[SPEAKER_01]: Get yourself some protein powder.

01:23:17.595 --> 01:23:18.916
[SPEAKER_01]: Get yourself some red dude drink protein.

01:23:19.716 --> 01:23:21.177
[SPEAKER_01]: Get yourself what you need.

01:23:21.877 --> 01:23:22.238
[SPEAKER_01]: Energy.

01:23:22.538 --> 01:23:23.118
[SPEAKER_01]: Hydration.

01:23:24.648 --> 01:23:25.308
[SPEAKER_01]: joint warfare.

01:23:26.189 --> 01:23:27.329
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw a buddy of mine the other night.

01:23:27.490 --> 01:23:28.130
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like dude.

01:23:28.650 --> 01:23:29.571
[SPEAKER_01]: I got some joint warfare.

01:23:29.871 --> 01:23:30.691
[SPEAKER_01]: His knees are jacked up.

01:23:30.751 --> 01:23:32.012
[SPEAKER_01]: He's like freaking good to go.

01:23:32.032 --> 01:23:33.173
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what we're doing.

01:23:33.193 --> 01:23:33.893
[SPEAKER_01]: Get some joint warfare.

01:23:33.973 --> 01:23:34.433
[SPEAKER_01]: Super cool.

01:23:34.453 --> 01:23:35.034
[SPEAKER_01]: The whole nine yards.

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01:23:37.195 --> 01:23:37.615
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01:23:41.777 --> 01:23:44.820
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01:23:44.860 --> 01:23:48.003
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, origin USA, we're doing GJ2.

01:23:57.152 --> 01:23:59.074
[SPEAKER_01]: We are prepared for war.

01:24:00.602 --> 01:24:04.504
[SPEAKER_01]: If we are preparing for war, via Jitu, our gear has to be ready for war.

01:24:04.724 --> 01:24:16.629
[SPEAKER_01]: Origins ready for war, durable, well-made, it doesn't supply our enemies financial and economic situation.

01:24:17.090 --> 01:24:23.773
[SPEAKER_01]: When you buy something from China or another communist country, you are not helping America.

01:24:24.453 --> 01:24:25.634
[SPEAKER_01]: You are aiding the enemy.

01:24:26.094 --> 01:24:27.274
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's not aid the enemy.

01:24:27.514 --> 01:24:37.598
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's get a pair of American-made jeans American-made boots American-made hoodies American-made belts American-made hats American-made sneakers coming.

01:24:37.618 --> 01:24:39.819
[SPEAKER_01]: So you call them sneakers.

01:24:39.839 --> 01:24:40.540
[SPEAKER_01]: You call them tennis shoes.

01:24:40.560 --> 01:24:41.260
[SPEAKER_01]: What do you call them?

01:24:41.440 --> 01:24:42.120
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know.

01:24:42.200 --> 01:24:44.642
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even when I call them.

01:24:45.062 --> 01:24:45.703
[SPEAKER_00]: No, no train.

01:24:45.723 --> 01:24:48.784
[SPEAKER_00]: That's Australia, you know It's called my wife for calm train.

01:24:48.844 --> 01:24:52.707
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah sneakers man.

01:24:52.947 --> 01:24:54.087
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I call him sneakers now.

01:24:54.167 --> 01:24:54.408
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.

01:24:54.648 --> 01:24:55.468
[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what would you call him?

01:24:55.508 --> 01:24:55.668
[SPEAKER_00]: Why?

01:24:55.688 --> 01:24:56.269
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

01:24:56.729 --> 01:25:01.772
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even know what you call shoes shoes but sneakers and shoes and all that thing

01:25:02.232 --> 01:25:03.733
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's kind of foreign in Hawaii.

01:25:03.753 --> 01:25:04.413
[SPEAKER_00]: We were sleepers.

01:25:04.433 --> 01:25:05.454
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we're bare feet.

01:25:05.574 --> 01:25:05.754
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

01:25:05.874 --> 01:25:09.715
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, and but yeah, yeah, but nonetheless I seen the origin ones.

01:25:09.936 --> 01:25:11.036
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so they're not out yet.

01:25:11.076 --> 01:25:11.696
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you're saying?

01:25:11.716 --> 01:25:12.377
[SPEAKER_00]: But they're common.

01:25:12.397 --> 01:25:12.977
[SPEAKER_00]: They're coming soon.

01:25:13.077 --> 01:25:16.318
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but yeah, so I will be wearing those when they go.

01:25:16.619 --> 01:25:19.460
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, that's like the kind that I'm done.

01:25:19.620 --> 01:25:20.260
[SPEAKER_01]: That's next level.

01:25:20.480 --> 01:25:21.221
[SPEAKER_01]: So we got it all.

01:25:21.661 --> 01:25:25.202
[SPEAKER_01]: Check out origin USA dot com gets American made stuff.

01:25:25.723 --> 01:25:26.303
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.

01:25:26.763 --> 01:25:41.146
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I feel like origin is a part of if not the full uniform for every day a tire 100% 100% Like when I say every day, it's not like, you know, most of everything had to tell.

01:25:41.326 --> 01:25:42.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, head to toe.

01:25:43.166 --> 01:25:50.388
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, when we get when the sneakers come out will be full head to toe every day, because sometimes you know you're wearing another pair of sneakers, yeah,

01:25:56.709 --> 01:25:57.850
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, mine is not head to toe.

01:25:57.930 --> 01:26:00.712
[SPEAKER_00]: Mine is representation under all circumstances.

01:26:00.972 --> 01:26:05.114
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's I can't take the scenario without some origin representate.

01:26:05.194 --> 01:26:05.675
[SPEAKER_01]: Nicely done.

01:26:05.955 --> 01:26:07.616
[SPEAKER_01]: Origin USA.com, check it out.

01:26:07.996 --> 01:26:11.038
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, jockel store is where you get your discipline equals freedom stuff.

01:26:11.558 --> 01:26:12.479
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying we're reprimand.

01:26:12.499 --> 01:26:13.780
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on the path where we're representing.

01:26:14.020 --> 01:26:16.521
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying, um, so yes, so good.

01:26:16.561 --> 01:26:17.802
[SPEAKER_00]: We have this idea of good.

01:26:18.082 --> 01:26:19.083
[SPEAKER_00]: This is from day one.

01:26:19.103 --> 01:26:23.686
[SPEAKER_00]: So you're saying actually technically, I think it's like three, three, yes, she has some of the leads.

01:26:24.366 --> 01:26:39.943
[SPEAKER_00]: No last from since the beginning good when things go bad there's going to be some good to come from Okay, we know that we're all right, you know, but we do have shirts where you can represent this Seems saying we have various versions of it's all in jocco store Seems saying so yeah choose one represent that as well

01:26:40.383 --> 01:26:51.792
[SPEAKER_00]: Also the shirt lockers new design whether it be good or whether it be this one equals freedom whether it be Just stuff in that vein to the new design every month subscription scenario Check that out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's called check that out.

01:26:52.833 --> 01:26:56.456
[SPEAKER_00]: It's called the shirt locker And if you want you have more questions about it.

01:26:56.496 --> 01:26:57.197
[SPEAKER_00]: You know like what is it?

01:26:57.277 --> 01:26:57.837
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the vibe?

01:26:57.937 --> 01:26:58.217
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever?

01:26:58.258 --> 01:27:04.342
[SPEAKER_00]: Just go jockelstore.com on the top click on shirt locker and I'll just kind of show you what it's all about people So you don't like that one.

01:27:04.362 --> 01:27:05.583
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah check it all out.

01:27:06.164 --> 01:27:07.505
[SPEAKER_00]: You like something get something

01:27:08.570 --> 01:27:09.070
[SPEAKER_01]: good to go.

01:27:09.931 --> 01:27:11.331
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01:27:11.711 --> 01:27:16.833
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01:27:17.534 --> 01:27:25.437
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01:27:25.877 --> 01:27:26.697
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01:27:54.247 --> 01:27:56.787
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01:27:59.528 --> 01:28:01.589
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01:28:08.691 --> 01:28:14.652
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to connect with us, check out jockel.com, and then on social media, you can find us, I'm at jockel.

01:28:14.672 --> 01:28:15.793
[SPEAKER_01]: We're like echoes at echo trolls.

01:28:16.753 --> 01:28:17.853
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't spend too much time on there.

01:28:17.993 --> 01:28:19.013
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't spend any time on there.

01:28:19.214 --> 01:28:20.794
[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, don't even check us out there.

01:28:21.274 --> 01:28:23.475
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big demonic time suck.

01:28:23.835 --> 01:28:24.375
[SPEAKER_01]: So be careful.

01:28:25.378 --> 01:28:52.865
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, thanks to all of our uniformed personnel across the globe, standing tall, in harm's way, living the life of heroes defending us and our way of life, and thanks to our police law enforcement firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, board patrol, secret service, as well as all other first responders, thank you for defending us at here at home, and everyone else out there, let's go back to one of the quotes from this book of Maxim's.

01:28:54.740 --> 01:29:00.983
[SPEAKER_01]: says the hero 2 has days where he is tempted only to live, only to live.

01:29:03.033 --> 01:29:16.424
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good thing to think about, to maybe just reset your perspective, reset your attitude because it's very tempting to think that just living on its own is enough.

01:29:17.845 --> 01:29:27.834
[SPEAKER_01]: Just going through the motions, just living through another day, just surviving another day, surviving another week, surviving another month, my simply living.

01:29:30.015 --> 01:29:30.696
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not do that.

01:29:32.605 --> 01:29:37.207
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not just live, instead, let's go out there every day and freaking get after it.

01:29:38.588 --> 01:29:42.810
[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we've got for tonight, and until next time, the Zeco and Jocco out.