June 17, 2026

545: The Journey Through Pain, Purpose, and Resilience. With Mason Wright.

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Mason Wright ("Buff Runner") went from childhood trauma, loss, and depression to completing a 1,000-mile run around a high school track. In this conversation, he shares how sports saved him, how he survived some of the darkest moments of his life, and why suffering can become a tool for growth. A powerful discussion on resilience, discipline, and refusing to quit.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is Jockel podcast number 545 with Carrie Heldon and me.

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[UNKNOWN]: Jockel will like good evening, Carrie.

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[UNKNOWN]: Good evening.

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[UNKNOWN]: At just day one, there were heat and stomach problems.

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[UNKNOWN]: Day three brought foot pain, intense enough that he said he cried.

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[UNKNOWN]: And by day four, he had logged 150 miles on very little sleep.

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[UNKNOWN]: Later he wrote about blisters, nerve pain, and the strange mental grind of repeating the same oval thousands of times.

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[UNKNOWN]: Still, Mason Wright kept connecting the suffering back to the reason he started.

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[UNKNOWN]: In one post, he wrote that single parents don't get to quit just because things are hard.

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[UNKNOWN]: Later, as the finish got closer, he said the run had become about resilience, pain, and discovering what he could handle.

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[UNKNOWN]: After finishing Wright wrote in his final journey journal entry that he was still trying to process what he had done.

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[UNKNOWN]: quote, mentally, I don't know how I am okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how I kept moving.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how I did this.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that's what makes me proud.

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[UNKNOWN]: And the quote, and that is in the little excerpt from an article from Runners World and is an article about Mason Wright who operates under the Instagram call sign, Buff Runner, which is a bold claim, by the way.

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[UNKNOWN]: And this article is about the thousand-mile run that Mason just completed in April around a around a high school track, and Mason's on a bunch of other things in his life, and he's having an impact beyond just running.

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[UNKNOWN]: And he's here tonight to share with us some of his experiences and lessons learned along the way.

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[UNKNOWN]: Buff runner, that is a bold statement, right?

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, thank you.

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[UNKNOWN]: What makes you classified as buff?

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[UNKNOWN]: What body weight do you have to be to be buff?

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[UNKNOWN]: Or is it just a, is it a body fat percentage?

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[UNKNOWN]: It's a mindset.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's a mindset.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: You shake.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Mason, thanks for joining us.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's, let's, we're going to get into all the kind of things you've been through in your life.

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[UNKNOWN]: And let's just start at the beginning.

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[UNKNOWN]: So you're born where?

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[UNKNOWN]: Vegas and then what was going on with your with your entry into the world what was happens?

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[UNKNOWN]: What in 1997?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 1997.

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[UNKNOWN]: So what's going on?

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[UNKNOWN]: Born in Las Vegas lived in Green Valley Henderson area.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is just like what is it?

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[UNKNOWN]: Norse or whatever direction.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what direction it is, but we say outside of Vegas.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's outside of Vegas.

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[UNKNOWN]: whatever direction but it was you know it was a nicer nicer area you know my my dad he owned a mobile wash company for a really long time and he did all the dealerships and I mean everything from all all through California and Nevada and Arizona so it was a massive operation so we We lived very well and And that's again that's just like where my life started wasn't big as

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[UNKNOWN]: And it, you know, it was a normal as far as I know, I, you know, when I was four is when we left.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so there's, you know, this very little memory, the memory that is there is broken.

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[UNKNOWN]: And most of it's just from the traumatic things that happened.

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[UNKNOWN]: A lot of domestic violence drugs, a lot of stuff like that that we were that I was experiencing.

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[UNKNOWN]: So that's a lot of what my memories are.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, so it's a little bit so you're dad at this point.

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[UNKNOWN]: He's got a successful.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like sounds like a highly successful business and yet there's drugs and domestic violence in the home

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he basically took drugs to work more.

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[UNKNOWN]: That was like his addiction was work and he used another addiction to feed the other addiction.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so he basically would, you know, whether it's crack or cocaine or whatever, he would use that and then go to the next, like just a drive from state to state managing all of this, just so he would go,

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[UNKNOWN]: days without sleeping, just doing drugs to stay awake.

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[UNKNOWN]: So the drugs in the home was, again, more of like his, like there weren't like drugs, which was like, I don't know about it, it wasn't a drug house, again, we lived in a very nice area.

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[UNKNOWN]: That stuff wasn't going on directly in the house, but I mean, it was using it every day.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then, of course, domestic violence, which inevitably led to the, you know, moving.

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[UNKNOWN]: And what do you say you're early memories of that?

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[UNKNOWN]: Because I try to think back what I remember when I was a kid.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't quite honestly.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't remember much.

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[UNKNOWN]: You remember like some highlight of something that happened.

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[UNKNOWN]: It seems like domestic violence would be the kind of thing you would remember.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

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[UNKNOWN]: Is that accurate?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's funny.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm actually writing a book right now.

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[UNKNOWN]: And part of it, you know, I'm obviously telling my story.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I was actually writing about it today.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I was writing about this.

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[UNKNOWN]: There's one specific memory that I have.

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, I remember a lot of shouting, a lot of screaming, a lot of things like that, but there's one memory I have where I, you know, are couch, who knows the layout of the actual house, you know, I'm four years old, but I remember shouting and screaming in the kitchen, throwing things and I just stuck my head in between the couch cushions, just so I didn't like have to hear it.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's a weird,

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[UNKNOWN]: against broken a lot of these memories I was for you know so it's how true is it but I do remember you know I stuck my head in the couch cushions to like just stop hearing it essentially so that's like kind of what a lot of my memories are is

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[UNKNOWN]: That type of stuff, right?

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[UNKNOWN]: Like trying to block out the screaming or the yelling or whatever it might have been and so then this the marriage falls apart I'm assuming.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so there was there's a lot and I I tend to not share this part of the story publicly just because it's not my story to tell I have my side of the story is the things that I experience But what happened that led my dad to go to prison is not my story to tell so I just

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[UNKNOWN]: For my mom's privacy, for my dad's privacy, I leave that, I just don't share that part, but my dad ended up getting arrested.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's another memory I have.

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[UNKNOWN]: I remember him in handcuffs like saying goodbye and then getting put in the back of the car.

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[UNKNOWN]: Again, a very broken memory.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't actually know what he said.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I said to him if we hugged whatever, but him getting put into the back of a police car.

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[UNKNOWN]: And this is, it's wild that this is all happening while he has this successful business, a nice home.

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[UNKNOWN]: And this is all going on in the in the subsurface area.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then it comes to the front because your dad's getting rolled up by the cops.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so then what happens?

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[UNKNOWN]: yeah then we move we move back home or back home we move to Utah which ended up that's home and I was born in Vegas but Utah's home so we ended up moving we ended moving and kind of bounced around from with family members my mom just got a job that she could get she worked at a

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[UNKNOWN]: It was a delta, but it wasn't for delta, it was like their company they subcontracted out for other mechanic work.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's how they still do it, but this is getting this is 20 plus years ago.

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[UNKNOWN]: But she ended up working as a receptionist for them and we bounced around families' houses just kind of figured out and then lived in my grandparents.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's another, it's almost, you know, what is it, the higher you are, the harder you fall.

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[UNKNOWN]: So for your mom, go from like a pretty stable income and all this stuff to all the Sanchezias.

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[UNKNOWN]: Well, it was a luxury.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was luxury.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we lived a Vegas luxury, like the leopard print stuff all over the house, like very much 90s Vegas, like that was the house.

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[UNKNOWN]: The house was 90s Vegas.

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[UNKNOWN]: We had camel heads, like tax-adermied camel ends on the wall.

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[UNKNOWN]: I've never heard of that, but you have just weird 90s Vegas style.

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[UNKNOWN]: We all know it.

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[UNKNOWN]: You can see it like minus the gold.

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[UNKNOWN]: We have the gold all over, but like, you know, so she lived, you know, Louis Vuitton, Gucci, all the things to nothing.

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[UNKNOWN]: And now she's working for a subcontractor for Delta, some mini old task job.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just like basically just trying to keep food on the table.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, and how long is that last for?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so we lived in my grandparents until I was seven.

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[UNKNOWN]: I this is her parents.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is her.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so my dad's my dad's Grandma Jeannie she died when I was two three.

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[UNKNOWN]: No, I was three.

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[UNKNOWN]: I have one mint memory of her And I don't even know if it's a real memory.

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[UNKNOWN]: So you know, yeah, she long cancer He doesn't know his actual dad.

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[UNKNOWN]: He knows a step dad, but yeah, we I mean no relationship with them

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, so yeah, no, this is my, uh, my mom's, uh, parents and they're up there in Utah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yep, just oven, bountiful, just north of Salt Lake City, and then what's what goes on?

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[UNKNOWN]: Your mom, how long is your mom sticking this situation?

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[UNKNOWN]: Cause I'm sure she's not super stoked to be living back at home.

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[UNKNOWN]: No, it was also like, what do you do?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, what do you do?

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[UNKNOWN]: We live there for, it was safe, it was nice.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's how we, like, we don't come from money.

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[UNKNOWN]: My grandparents, so I grew up Mormon.

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[UNKNOWN]: My family has very deep ties in the Mormon church.

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[UNKNOWN]: My grandpa was in the 70, I don't know how familiar you are with the Mormon church, but that's like an archbishop of the Mormon church, essentially, is like the best way to put it.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, he's really high up, but it's still a service job, so there's not a lot of money, but it was safe, it was modest, food from my grandparents helping with that.

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[UNKNOWN]: My mom could barely afford anything.

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[UNKNOWN]: We had nothing.

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[UNKNOWN]: The state took a lot of what we had in Vegas, because there was a lot of

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[UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of drug, there's again the prison side of things.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was more than just domestic violence.

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[UNKNOWN]: So the state took a lot of stuff leaving my mom like she didn't get one over in the house.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like nothing.

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[UNKNOWN]: All the stuff got seized, assets taken.

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[UNKNOWN]: So literally we had nothing but her 2002, Corolla.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that was the only, that's all basically, you know, we got in that and came home or came to Utah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're yeah, we're my grandparents until I was seven and she started dating my stepdad chat and I mean we loved him like how the gate we loved him obviously because he bought us a game cube and you know those times of things.

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[UNKNOWN]: I remember I remember it's such as a low bar at that age at seven years old or six years old I remember I came downstairs in my grandparents house and my mom and Chatted as they've been dating about a year at that point He just sitting on the floor playing super Mario Sunshine on the game cute.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm like

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no way, freaking out, you got to say it was like the coolest thing ever, and I'd like just recently met him too because my mom was just very private when they're dating life and and he was the coolest dude.

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[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, they dated for a couple of years.

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[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, they're still like a divorce that's ongoing because that doesn't just, just because my dad got arrested doesn't mean that the divorce has gone through.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, and it's a lot harder once he's imprisoned.

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[UNKNOWN]: because there's other layers you have to go through so it took a while for the divorce to go through just because of legal layers.

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[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't really anything.

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[UNKNOWN]: How long did he get sent to prison for?

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[UNKNOWN]: So he got sentenced for, he got sentenced for eight years, but served 4.9 basically.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was like four years and ten months or something like that.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's what he served.

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[UNKNOWN]: What did your step that do?

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[UNKNOWN]: My step time was a period honest.

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[UNKNOWN]: So he, that's a gum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum-dum

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[UNKNOWN]: Again, it was it's just funny how it works like again back, you know, so they get married just before I turned eight and I'm going to write back to that like lavish life And I mean he's a period honest.

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[UNKNOWN]: They make very very good money You know, we bought a house in farming tin and and

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[UNKNOWN]: It was, it was a life was wonderful again, you know, does anything good to do with brothers or sisters?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so I have, I have 10 siblings, but only one full sibling.

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[UNKNOWN]: So my dad, or sorry, have nine siblings or 10 kids, nine siblings, but only one full sibling, my little brother Graham.

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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, so he was with me this whole time, but he, when he was six months old as when my dad went to prison, so all of, he has zero recollection of anything.

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[UNKNOWN]: Any trauma that he has from it is all just that subconscious trauma of being held while domestic violence is going on that type of stuff.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so yeah, he was there the whole time, but yeah, I've a bunch of half siblings that actually have good relationships with the way that these were from your step dad.

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[UNKNOWN]: No, these are from my dad.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: My dad has, uh, has their six baby mom is in the family.

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[UNKNOWN]: Wow.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's, uh, it's, it's, that's a whole other, that's a whole other story, but yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I've, I've nine other siblings, um, eight that are alive one past away, um, but yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: So they're, but again, all of them are half except Graham.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so now your your mom gets married to your stepdad.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Chad.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then you guys are now back into like a pretty nice lifestyle with the parodonist.

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[UNKNOWN]: Am I saying that right?

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[UNKNOWN]: Parodontist.

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[UNKNOWN]: Parodontist.

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[UNKNOWN]: Sounds like a dinosaur.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it does.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it does.

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[UNKNOWN]: So things are kind of things are parodiosaurus.

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[UNKNOWN]: Things are on the up and up and and so how old do you now you're like?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so they got married ripe.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was they got married in May.

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[UNKNOWN]: I turned eight in June.

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[UNKNOWN]: So in month later I you know, I turned eight Yeah, and it was it was it was wonderful.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean it was like the perfect neighborhood for a kid Typical white picket fence All the homes are beautiful kids running around it's safe.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's in like a tucked away in a corner In farming to now that whole area is developed.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty wild

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[UNKNOWN]: But, yeah, it was a brand new development in the area.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was one of the first developments that was built over there, and it was great.

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[UNKNOWN]: Life was fantastic over there.

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[UNKNOWN]: You're using past tense of what happened.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, when I was 10, he tragically passed away.

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[UNKNOWN]: it happened out of nowhere.

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[UNKNOWN]: So he had a heart condition and he had to take his medication every day to keep his heart functioning and they basically he forgot that he took his meds.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it's not like, I mean, people forget to take their meds.

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[UNKNOWN]: He forgot that he had taken his meds.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so he took another dose which with this medication, it's like,

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[UNKNOWN]: It could happen, it could not, but ended up causing cardiac arrest.

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[UNKNOWN]: And he died leaving work.

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[UNKNOWN]: He was the last person out of the office, but didn't make it out of the office.

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[UNKNOWN]: So it was one of those things that it was like, if it was 10 minutes earlier, he'd probably still be around.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it gets pretty crazy, but yeah, he passed away when I was 10, which was obviously really rough.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so then what happens to you?

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[UNKNOWN]: Did you have insurance?

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[UNKNOWN]: Did you anything like that?

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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, so it this yeah It I mean the store it like it was a crazy morning finding out like it's this is one of the most vivid memories of in my lifetime Is I remember waking up I didn't see him the night before we high school musical two came out that night

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[UNKNOWN]: And I remember my grandma, so he's his mom and his sister-in-law came over to the house at like 9 p.m. You know, in every Friday we'd go to Blockbuster.

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[UNKNOWN]: We'd rent a movie and we would get pizza from pizza hike.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was like the old fashioned we were talking pizza hut.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, and we do this every Friday.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was a thing.

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[UNKNOWN]: Stuff cross pizza.

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, we'd get a movie from blockbuster And it was moving on on Fridays and He obviously didn't come home and so we're just kind of like waiting and so then my grandma and my aunt come over And I'm I'm young enough still that I'm like

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[UNKNOWN]: I kind of was like what the hell, like this is weird, but also young enough that it didn't really register It was just like oh hey grandma's coming over.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't actually remember what my how it was is pitched to us But how it was pitched to us is we get to stay up and watch the premiere of high school musical at midnight so We you know we stay up obviously Chad doesn't come home

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[UNKNOWN]: Wake up the next morning.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, where's Chad?

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, where's Dad?

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, I want to see him.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I go into my mom's room and he's not in bed and I'm like, the hell.

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[UNKNOWN]: I go look out the window and I'm like, oh, maybe he left for work or like, I had to go to the office of something.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I go look out the window and his Lexus is setting out for out.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, maybe it's in his office, so I go down stairs and my uncle is just this is my mom's brother's just sitting on the couch and I'm like It is seven a.m. Why the hell are you saying on my couch right now like this is you know, and we don't like we don't have the best relationship with him so I was really confused

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[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, I don't use the globe stairs and come back down a little bit, and I don't know how much longer it was, but we went downstairs and my mom told us that he died.

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[UNKNOWN]: I remember that's the word that she used.

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[UNKNOWN]: She's like Chad died last night.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was, I mean, you can't, how old was he?

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[UNKNOWN]: 42.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, son and cardiac arrest.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was instant for him, which is a good, it's a comforting feeling to know that it wasn't suffering.

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[UNKNOWN]: So then, so they didn't, doesn't have insurance.

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[UNKNOWN]: No insurance, not enough to cover no insurance, no will.

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[UNKNOWN]: And because it was a medication issue, the state of Utah basically deemed it a suicide.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so he, yeah, and in the state of Utah, just because there's a lot of influence with religion in the state of Utah.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so suicide, if you don't have a will,

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[UNKNOWN]: basically the state gets everything.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so we my mom again, everything got seized.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so it's one of those things that again, we're against back to zero.

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[UNKNOWN]: We're back later.

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[UNKNOWN]: Actually, we're back to negative because my mom got all of a dental school debt because that school loans unforgiving.

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[UNKNOWN]: So everything gets taken, oh, by the way, here is $80,000, you have no degree, it could look paying this.

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[UNKNOWN]: You have $250 a month of medical school loans that you've done.

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[UNKNOWN]: That was school-voltive years or whatever.

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[UNKNOWN]: So it was, I mean, it gave us more back to zero.

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[UNKNOWN]: Again, it was, I mean, this is where my memory is, and understand, like when he passed, it completely changed my brain chemistry.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's my wife's at therapist, and so it's been cool to like talk about these things over the years and talk about just the mental side like the how trauma actually impacts the brain.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it's, it's, I mean, a completely rewired my brain.

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[UNKNOWN]: I went from, I mean, I was, you know, I was in the, I was in a smart kid program at school.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was reading at a college level in second grade and or a fourth grade, sorry.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, it was just a star student, like I was a very smart athletic, it was, everything was, it was like a star, a star student kind of thing, and I went to barely being able to read it at kindergarten level, I couldn't do basic math.

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[UNKNOWN]: I basically went from the special class to the special class.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, it flipped the opposite ends of the spectrum.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was, it was really, it was something that now that I'm an adult, and I can think back on it, it really is it's such an interesting thing to think about of how my brain chemistry legitimately just flipped over on itself.

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[UNKNOWN]: And is that what, like, what does your wife say?

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[UNKNOWN]: What is that?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's a trauma response, you know, whether you know from combat experience, when you experience these extreme traumas, seeing a death or whatever the trauma might be, it literally, you emit different hormones.

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[UNKNOWN]: Hormones change in the mind, the neuroplasticity that our minds have also rewires to essentially protect itself,

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[UNKNOWN]: And that protection can go positive or negative but when you're young you don't a lot of the times there isn't that

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[UNKNOWN]: understanding of like the resiliency factor and these types of things naturally humans are resilient but it's still you're you're not developed enough and so it just basically flips your brain over when you're young.

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[UNKNOWN]: So it's almost I mean that the way it sounds like some sort of protective measure that your brain is taking that it's not going to become too attached to anything it's not going to overthink the thing it's like hey just dumb this thing down right now yeah we just got to move forward

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[UNKNOWN]: and be able to do basic survival stuff.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, you know, eat, sleep, and whatever.

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[UNKNOWN]: And therefore, we're going to kind of tone down this other part of the brain that would be thinking about all this stuff.

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[UNKNOWN]: Is that am I even close?

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[UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, that's spot on.

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[UNKNOWN]: I think a good like a very acute version of this is...

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[UNKNOWN]: I've seen in like buds or anything like this with like, hey, what's too plus two?

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[UNKNOWN]: What's your name?

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[UNKNOWN]: Or like if they're rescuing someone?

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[UNKNOWN]: Those basic questions, you got to just make sure their mind is there.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that's a very acute, like that thing for that fix is itself.

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[UNKNOWN]: But that can happen on a large scale with a severe trauma where you literally lose the ability to compute.

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[UNKNOWN]: Simple, simple things.

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[UNKNOWN]: So then what happens?

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[UNKNOWN]: So now your mom, she got to go back to work.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like what's the deal?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, yes, so she wasn't working.

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[UNKNOWN]: She would basically just help at the, you know, the typical tax loophole, you know, working at the office, but she actually did do a lot of paperwork at the office.

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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, she had to just find another job.

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[UNKNOWN]: She worked a couple jobs at one point, but where she ended up, where she still is actually to this day, was at the hospital in Salt Lake.

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[UNKNOWN]: My uncle, his brother, so this is like her brother-in-law, his brother is a spine surgeon.

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[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, yeah, I mean, she can come work for me and she went and worked at this orthopedic clinic.

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[UNKNOWN]: And now she's jumped around to a couple different doctors over the years.

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[UNKNOWN]: And she's still there, but that's where she kind of ended up, and we got really, this is where, you know, I tell the story, but it's, you know, there's always someone who has it, there's always someone who has it, where's I had it in, like in reality, it was not as bad as it could have been.

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[UNKNOWN]: We were able to go live in Bountiful Utah after, instead of having to go to a women's shelter in Vegas.

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[UNKNOWN]: We were able to have support from family, which a lot of people don't have.

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[UNKNOWN]: We had things that a lot of people don't get.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so it was able to put us in positions that have allowed me to be where I'm at and made it easier to be where I am.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, and, you know, this is a blessing, a blessing of curse and a blessing in disguise all at the same time, my aunt, she had very severe rheumatoid arthritis, so my mom's older sister, and ended up causing her kidneys to fail and she passed, uh, so she passed in May, and then Chad passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August, and she passed in August

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[UNKNOWN]: and my grandparents had to take care of her most of her life because her hands were stuck in this position.

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[UNKNOWN]: She couldn't really take care of herself.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so basically she was taken care of but she also was she wasn't like she wasn't mentally handicapped at all.

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[UNKNOWN]: So it

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[UNKNOWN]: she could live a life, she just needed physical help and so she had her own place, my grandparents owned it but she had her own place, she'd just passed and now there's this vacant condo and so it was this blessing that there's now instead of having to go to like a low income housing you know out in

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, West Valley or whatever out in Utah, we're now in a very fluent area living in a nice condo.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's a small condo.

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[UNKNOWN]: My brother and I literally shared a bed until I was 16 years old.

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[UNKNOWN]: So my mom couldn't afford to get bunk beds.

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[UNKNOWN]: We just used the bed that we had.

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[UNKNOWN]: Used the same mattress for 15 years.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, it was, we just, we didn't what we could.

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[UNKNOWN]: And but that's thankfully we were able to end up there and live there, my mom actually funny enough.

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[UNKNOWN]: So my grandparents passed a couple of years ago.

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[UNKNOWN]: They on the condo and so the family was trying to figure out what to do in my mom and her new husband actually bought the place.

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[UNKNOWN]: So they still live there.

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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, that's where I ended up and stayed there and sent a real just kitty cornered a powerful one.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, if you start to get refocused over time, like in school and what not, did you go from, you know, did you start to recover from the kind of mental laps that you had?

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[UNKNOWN]: I really, the mental side of it.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and no, um, it's...

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[UNKNOWN]: It's I always struggled with school and I didn't really get my that confidence back.

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[UNKNOWN]: I think my mind came back.

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[UNKNOWN]: Guy made, I mean, I barely, I mean, I never went to class in high school, but it was still graduating with like a three, three, or three, four, or whatever, just like showing up and taking the test and then not going to school for two weeks again, kind of thing.

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[UNKNOWN]: So like I was still like I got that back as far as like I was still you know smart enough to Never go to class and still you know score high But I didn't get that confidence back until college when I started doing really well and you know I mean across the board confidence where you talking about just like intellectual confidence intellectual confidence My I think there I've always kind of had a spark

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[UNKNOWN]: There's always been a little bit of a fire there, even though obviously there was all the things that we dealt with.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like there was always that spark.

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[UNKNOWN]: I remember in eighth grade, obviously I had behaviors.

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[UNKNOWN]: I had behavior issues.

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[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, I had domestic violence, drugs, death, a lot of things going on, trauma-wise.

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[UNKNOWN]: And what kid wouldn't be, you know?

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[UNKNOWN]: And so teachers obviously wasn't their favorite.

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[UNKNOWN]: But I didn't eighth grade English teacher who in front of the whole class told me that I would be a failure and that I would amount to nothing.

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[UNKNOWN]: Her words, almost word for word is what she said to me in front of everyone.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is a full class with all my friends.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I just said, watch me.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then I left the class.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then I got suspended for leaving class or I got in-school suspension for walking out of class in the middle of class And this is eighth grade.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is the eighth grade.

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[UNKNOWN]: So like there's that fire that that that that fire's been there that You know, Goggins calls it the infactor like that.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that's the infactor But there's always been that little bit of fire that's been there that's you know fueled whatever's going on But yeah, there's that intellectual confidence that

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[UNKNOWN]: I really struggled with for a long, long time, and then what about sports because you were on athlete?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, sports kept me from doing drugs and drinking, and all the stuff sports are, and my girlfriend also kept me away from that stuff too.

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[UNKNOWN]: She's like, if you ever do that, I'm gonna break up with you, I'm like, okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: She's now my wife.

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[UNKNOWN]: By the way, we've been dating since ninth grade, but, uh,

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so but sports really kept me out of trouble because I loved football football was my entire life I dedicated every waking moment of my life to that sport and so I'm doing drugs No, I didn't ever went to class, but I made sure I had good enough cranes to keep playing football And like if I was drinking doing drugs, so I was getting in trouble Like there this is that was my only shot out

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[UNKNOWN]: Sports was my only opportunity to escape.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you hear all the time with NFL athletes.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was like football was what got me out.

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[UNKNOWN]: Football's what saved me.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of how it was.

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[UNKNOWN]: Obviously not as extreme as some of these other situations, but it was a similar thing where it's like football is what kept me from digging myself into a hole.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so I, you know, and I mean, I did pretty much every sport, but football,

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[UNKNOWN]: football track and wrestling where my core three.

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[UNKNOWN]: I quit wrestling early on in high school just because of didn't get along with the coach.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I ended up not continuing past 10th grade, but yes sports kept me very much kept me out of trouble and as is a reason I'm in the position.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm in now honestly it's taught me a lot.

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[UNKNOWN]: So you're in the football, so this means you're in the football enough to be like you're lifting you're trying to get strong You're working on your speed.

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[UNKNOWN]: You're doing the whole nine yards.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I'd wake up at four a.m. in high school and go to the gym before school And then I would go to football class and lift agility film whatever it was that we were doing that day and then if it's off season I go I'd go to the field

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[UNKNOWN]: and I would do drills, or if it was in season when I'd practice.

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[UNKNOWN]: If it was a winner, I would go to the gym again, and I did my senior year was very regimented like that, and that kind of started in my junior year.

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[UNKNOWN]: My sophomore year, it was just figuring things out, and kind of thought I was hot shit, starting varsity's a sophomore, and thought I could just, you know, do whatever, and then I quickly learned, oh yeah, that's not going to fly if I want to play college football.

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[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I mean, I train my ass off in high school.

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[UNKNOWN]: and your plan was to play college football.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, and I had the scholarships.

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[UNKNOWN]: had all the scholarships.

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[UNKNOWN]: D1, D2, D3, all of it.

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[UNKNOWN]: Really?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, University of Utah, all Utah schools.

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[UNKNOWN]: Uh-huh.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, and then a lot of like, the D1 double A.

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[UNKNOWN]: Well, position to play defensive end.

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[UNKNOWN]: I used to wait 285 pounds.

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[UNKNOWN]: D. I was a big boy.

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[UNKNOWN]: I, I, I can show you really quick.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was a big, big boy.

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[UNKNOWN]: What, what was your, what were your numbers like?

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[UNKNOWN]: I ran a 474, um, yeah, I ran a 474, um, I had a 38-in vertical.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, yeah, I was a big boy and then all my lives.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I had 450 pound ban She squat over 600.

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[UNKNOWN]: I power claimed 315 like I was a beast mode.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no, I was a I was a unit.

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[UNKNOWN]: So this this is me at the all-star game Please yeah, no, I was a big boy.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was a big boy.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was a big boy

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, and I just, yeah, again, I had it all lined up, uh, defensive MVP, the All-Star game, like it was, I was, I was good, I was good, I was all state, the whole thing, and I ended up just being like, I don't want to play.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was going to go to Weber State, I was going to do track and football there.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is pre-NIL.

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[UNKNOWN]: You want to get paid?

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[UNKNOWN]: You've got to do two sports.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is way before I know how.

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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, and then I was just, I quit day one, because I was like, I don't want to, I'm not with my boys.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not, you know, I don't want to, and I also, and also school.

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[UNKNOWN]: I can't dedicate my life to football in the school, and I like,

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[UNKNOWN]: I was good at football, but I also understood the reality of sure.

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[UNKNOWN]: Maybe my, you know, I could bench 225-32 times at 17 years old.

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[UNKNOWN]: These are combine level stats, but I also understand there's a difference between combat, combat stats, and being good enough to play in the NFL.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I knew that

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[UNKNOWN]: I knew that I could if I worked my ass off I could probably get there but did I want that like was that the career trajectory I wanted to take and potentially damage my body, my mind, or do we focus on school?

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[UNKNOWN]: And I had conversations with a couple of people and I didn't have a lot of male role models growing up.

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[UNKNOWN]: Social media wasn't really around to find those people in that way.

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[UNKNOWN]: And

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[UNKNOWN]: Also just like there weren't a lot of men in my life, and so a lot of this was kind of figuring it out on my own But the few people that were around.

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[UNKNOWN]: I have the conversations with them of like what would you do?

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what to do And there was one in particular.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was like he played he played a one year of college football.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was like you either pick football or you pick school But you can't pick both

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[UNKNOWN]: and that was kind of the decision maker of like I'm going to school or I'm going to focus on school.

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[UNKNOWN]: Was there something that you were super interested in?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, so school?

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[UNKNOWN]: I actually got accepted to dental school in the end.

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[UNKNOWN]: So that was the I was going to go to dental school.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was following in Chad's footsteps.

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[UNKNOWN]: We were going to go to VCU, which is where he went.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, he was, uh, you know, he was, uh, top of his class, Perry non-dist at FVCU.

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[UNKNOWN]: So it was, uh, I'd like wanted, I wanted to be a Perry donness.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, like, the whole, like, I wanted to, I wanted to follow those footsteps.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I was, I was all in.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, I literally went the whole way until having a move and was like, I don't know if I actually want to do this.

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[UNKNOWN]: Because I was kind of doing it, there was a part of me that was doing it because I felt like I needed to follow in his footsteps, but also the financial piece where we never really had much.

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, my one point, my mom, we were on food stamps like there's, we never really had a lot.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so in my mind, financial freedom was the only path I have to do it because of the money.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I realized like you can do anything you want.

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[UNKNOWN]: you have to sometimes you're going to have to work a little bit harder like sure I've had to work way harder now then I would have had to as a period honest because I would have just I would have gotten my salary would have been easy to start a practice like they're those things it's just it's your doctor it's it's a little bit easier um yeah to obviously go to you know a medical school but then the that business side of things that becomes a little bit easier but

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a definite well-worn path.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's not an easy path, but it's well-worn, and you can see we're going to go, and if you stay on the path, you'll end up in this certain place.

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[UNKNOWN]: Exactly.

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[UNKNOWN]: Whereas when you're doing something in the open ocean, in the open ocean, the world, there's a lot of things, and there's no well-worn path, and you can make a wrong turn, and it can take you while to recover from.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, there's definitely some risk there.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's, but I just decided I'm like nutrition is, I love nutrition.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's I built my meal plan for my football team in high school like I loved it, but I always thought it's a hobby I thought it's something that was like fun and I was like, why can I have fun for work?

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[UNKNOWN]: Why doesn't I have to be so serious and so I was like I want to be a dietitian I want to I want to be a dietitian and so I

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[UNKNOWN]: and to go back to school to just take a couple of pre-wrecks.

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[UNKNOWN]: I had all the science and I mean, you buy out chemistry, organic chemistry, I mean, all of the whole list of stuff.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I had, I think we had the whole science background.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I just had to go take a couple of nutrition classes so that I could basically apply to these programs and went and became a dietitian.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then what's going on with your physical activities at this time?

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[UNKNOWN]: Because you can't just be that addicted to athletics and then just say, OK, I'm out.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, you know, we go back, I stopped playing football, and I, I didn't know what to do.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was just lifting heavy, still on the gym.

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[UNKNOWN]: I naturally lost a little bit of weight, because when you're that heavy, you have to eat to stay that heavy.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it's so like, I naturally lost like 15, 20 pounds.

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[UNKNOWN]: I weighed like about 260, 5-ish.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it was just like in the gym lifting, no real

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[UNKNOWN]: And my wife, or my girlfriend at the time, now my wife, her family's running a Spartan race.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was the Las Vegas.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was, I think they do a sprint in Subaru.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was a sprint, which is a 5K with 20 obstacles.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I was just like, all right, what the hell?

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, why not?

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[UNKNOWN]: And like, what do I gotta lose, you know?

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[UNKNOWN]: And, but I was like, if I'm gonna do this, and whenever I've done anything in my life, it's like, if I'm gonna do it, you gotta do it.

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[UNKNOWN]: can't just show up, go through the motions, you gotta do it.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I started training.

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[UNKNOWN]: My first run was on a treadmill.

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[UNKNOWN]: I, for some reason, cranked the miles per hour up, thinking I was fine and passed out after half a mile.

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[UNKNOWN]: Thinking that I was just like, could keep going.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, that was my first run ever that the nine years ago, uh, half a mile and then like a week later I went and ran one mile up this switchback that was just near my my mom's house is and took me 40 minutes because it I just like could it I'm just like trying to get up this hill and uh, but I just kept at it.

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[UNKNOWN]: I just kept at it.

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[UNKNOWN]: I knew I needed to lose weight so I focused a little bit more when I was eating.

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[UNKNOWN]: And dove into the whole Spartan world and really, really, I fell in love with it.

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[UNKNOWN]: So how many races were you doing a year or whatever?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I was, I mean, I'm a stone colleague and so the poor college student.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I was doing, I was just trying to get the three, the trifecta.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, and so that's, that's what I was doing.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was basically I was doing three a year.

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[UNKNOWN]: So that's a thing for them.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: You're going to try fact.

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[UNKNOWN]: If you do the sprint super in beast in one calendar year.

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[UNKNOWN]: I think it's the beast.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's a half marathon.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then with 30 obstacles.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then the super is a 10k with 25 obstacle on it.

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[UNKNOWN]: If you're all free to gear, you get the tri-fax.

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[UNKNOWN]: You get a tri-factor.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's big, the metal, you have a metal, and then there's like a, like a, like a quarter, it's a third of a metal.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then at the end of the year, all three of them can act into one bigger metal.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, and so yeah, I got really into those, um, and it held, I mean, running, running, there's running in my wife, save my life.

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[UNKNOWN]: Because I mean, at this time, I have no, I don't know what I'm doing with my life.

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[UNKNOWN]: And the one thing I dedicated my whole life to is now gone, and I thought I had no purpose in life.

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[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I mean, there was a point in time that, you know, I had the plan, I was staring at the gun at the top of the closet.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was ready to go, but you know, it was my wife.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was just thinking about her.

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[UNKNOWN]: Again, my girlfriend at the time and I was like, I can't leave her.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's not fair to her.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then right after that she invited me to run this race and it completely changed the trajectory.

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[UNKNOWN]: I do.

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[UNKNOWN]: Wait, well, that's like a little bit of a...

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[UNKNOWN]: excursion you just said yeah hey we were working how to do in Spartan races I quit football yeah this goes back to like right before Spartan races but yeah no I mean it was it was I didn't I didn't know what I was doing with my life it was it I think it's something that a lot of young men go through you you have this transition in life where you go from high school to having to figure out to be a man and if you don't have

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[UNKNOWN]: Those figures in your life, if you're too caught up in social media, whatever it might make you, if you're not exercising, if you're not doing these important key things and you don't have these key things around you And we see it, it's one of the most unfortunate statistics and what is it?

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[UNKNOWN]: It's like a couple hundred men a day and It's a very, it's a very real problem that we have and it's you know, it's something that

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm weirdly enough grateful that I actually experienced that and went through that because it's I think it's It's helped me through a lot of these big things that I've now done in my life.

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[UNKNOWN]: How long were you in that mindset for quite a while?

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[UNKNOWN]: Like weeks like months.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean it was a lot.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was months like almost a year.

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[UNKNOWN]: And this is while you're going to college.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I can tell you my breaking point was I had it in a professor at Weber State and I was an anatomy.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was in the class of my body, which was me and my body living in this shit apartment.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we were paying 600 bucks a month for rent total.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was, I mean, someone got murdered right out of front door.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, it was a hell hole.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it was just like, the walls were peeling horrible, horrible place.

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[UNKNOWN]: So like, living in that environment was terrible.

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[UNKNOWN]: But we had this, and we had this anatomy teacher that,

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[UNKNOWN]: it was just really unfortunate timing for us.

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[UNKNOWN]: He was a medical school anatomy teacher at Yale.

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[UNKNOWN]: Wife gets her dream job, so he moves out here, couldn't get a job at the U, because the U has like a world-renowned anatomist who ended up taking anatomy from later, and so he's just like, well, I don't like where can I get a job, ends up at Weber State Wife cheats on him, leaves him, and he's now stuck in Ogden, Utah after having his dream job, hated life, and just took it out on us.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so it was it just we were doing like 60 hours of homework a week on top of like everything else we had to do and it just I mean it broke it broke us and then on top of the fact of just like the you know again it's all of the stuff of trying to find purpose in life not feeling like I'm good enough I also know you know I'm dealing with the anxiety and depression of all the traumas that I've experienced that I've never processed.

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[UNKNOWN]: all coming up at this time, and so it was the perfect storm that led me into this very, very dark place where every day I thought about it, every day I thought about ending my life.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then there was the one night, thankfully, has only been one time that I had a plan, the gun was loaded, but I think it was that thought of leaving my wife that, erga again

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[UNKNOWN]: It's hard to know what it really was.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it was my own fire that stopped it.

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it was a mix of them But something stopped it and I'm very very obviously grateful.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm still here.

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[UNKNOWN]: So do you the you know the next day do you then wake up in the morning and you're like That's behind me.

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[UNKNOWN]: Did you get that kind of a eureka moment?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, and no the depression it

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[UNKNOWN]: Even now, I'm in the happiest of every one of my life.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm so at peace with myself.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm in the best place mentally I've ever been.

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[UNKNOWN]: But those dots, that's depressive, the dots are something that kind of stay with you forever in a way.

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[UNKNOWN]: They don't take hold, they don't own you anymore.

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[UNKNOWN]: But it's one of those things that's just kind of,

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[UNKNOWN]: It kind of is almost always there and so the next morning it was a good way to put it is kind of like

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[UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like after you finish a race, or you do something really hard and you just wake up and exhausted.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of what it was, right?

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[UNKNOWN]: I just woke up and I was just like, oh my god, I'm just mentally a blur, and just really tired is exhausted.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of how it felt in the next morning, but it's, you know, we were talking about it when we were doing some interviews earlier, the mindset of like never make a decision in the dark as what I say.

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[UNKNOWN]: And this darkness is not just physically in the dark, like in a 100-miler, it's the middle of the night, it sucks, it's really easy to want to quit when it's pitch black, freezing cold, and you're in pain.

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[UNKNOWN]: But don't make that decision in the dark, but then you also have the mental darkness.

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[UNKNOWN]: don't make those decisions when it's dark and because you're gonna wake up the next morning and you're gonna have that clarity again.

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[UNKNOWN]: It might not be perfectly crystal clear, but you're gonna feel better.

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[UNKNOWN]: There is always light at the end.

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[UNKNOWN]: The sun always comes back up.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so that's kind of, you know, again, it was a weird day, but it was almost like it's another day.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's just focus on today now.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that's kind of where my mind started to go was like, Kayla, let's just focus on getting through today.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then we'll deal with tomorrow.

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[UNKNOWN]: So did you start to kind of see a path for yourself?

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[UNKNOWN]: Now you're starting to Spartan races.

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[UNKNOWN]: You get the dietician goal.

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[UNKNOWN]: Do you kind of start to see, like, oh, I can be productive human being with the value to the world?

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, it was running.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was running where it was like, it started to give me that purpose again.

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[UNKNOWN]: that feeling of like, I can be someone, I can build a life, I can be what I want to be, I can do the things that I want to do.

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[UNKNOWN]: And the understanding that it's, you're gonna have to work for it.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that was something that I think I was struggling with at the time was,

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[UNKNOWN]: I went from not having a lot to having even less living in this POI's apartment, and it just felt like this was gonna be my life forever.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is my life forever.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm just gonna always gonna be poor.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm always gonna have nothing.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is my life, and I didn't want to live that life, but then it's, you know, now I'm starting to see, hey, I'm actually pretty damn good at the Spartan thing.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's see where this goes.

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[UNKNOWN]: We'll at least see where this goes and then we can figure it out later.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's kind of the mindset that you almost have to have when you're navigating those suicidal thoughts.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's figure this thing out.

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[UNKNOWN]: Then we'll revisit this later.

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[UNKNOWN]: Then all of a sudden it's like, oh, there's also this.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm pretty good at this.

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[UNKNOWN]: Then it kind of starts it.

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[UNKNOWN]: That's how it works for me.

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[UNKNOWN]: We're now Spartan.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, I'm good at this.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's see what this goes and it I mean it little did my wife knew she'd open Pandora's box when she'd If you don't run that race, but it really was like it's what set that trajectory of understanding like I Can do difficult things not just running but in life it gets you know things are gonna get hard But you can you do hard things and you'll go to at it

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[UNKNOWN]: did you share any of these thoughts with your with your girlfriend at the time?

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[UNKNOWN]: No, no one actually knew that I was dealing with this, which she's got to talk about it.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's just something like it's no one's gonna judge you.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's the hardest part of it is saying something.

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[UNKNOWN]: because you don't, I get it, I've been there.

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[UNKNOWN]: You feel weak, like I wanted to say something, but I felt like I'd be weak if I said something.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so, I'm not, I'm not gonna say anything.

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[UNKNOWN]: Whereas if I just said something, when it would have never had that night, because I would have been able to talk about it.

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[UNKNOWN]: I would have had, been able to talk to people about it, where I just held it to myself.

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[UNKNOWN]: I didn't tell them for years.

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[UNKNOWN]: I think it was like three or four years later that I told my wife,

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I think one of the big things that comes out is people go, oh, yeah, you're, oh, the world's a big place and it can be scary sometimes.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the way that's pretty normal.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, oh, you're not sure what you're going to do.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's pretty normal.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you feel like you're not doing a great job right now.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's normal.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, you've, the pressure for that feels like it's so much like all those things that people feel at some juncture that can be a crushing burden on your soul.

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[UNKNOWN]: But like the everyone that you're walking by on the street almost everyone's been there at some point and said Yeah, yeah, the way I had I had this happen.

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[UNKNOWN]: I had that happen.

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[UNKNOWN]: I had another thing happened people just go through this life You know people go through some heavy things and sometimes it definitely seems like oh, this is This doesn't seem like it's gonna end.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yes, this pressure or this weight doesn't seem like it's ever gonna be lifted and if you have that feeling

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[UNKNOWN]: and you don't tell anyone that goes oh yeah well let me tell you what happened to me let me tell you what happened to my brother let me tell you what happened to my dad let me tell you what happened to my body and everyone goes through these challenges and tribulations and it's like yeah you're you're gonna get through it yeah and you're gonna come out the other side and that's that's a important message but if you don't tell anyone and you think it's just you

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[UNKNOWN]: That's, I think, very isolating and problematic.

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[UNKNOWN]: Well, and I think this is, you know, something that a lot of young men experience in particular where, and, you know, in my situation, there weren't a lot of male role models in my life.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I had the only visual I had because of where I grew up was these super successful men, but they were successful, the way that I visualized that success was because they had the family and they had it.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I never, I was like, oh, I can't do that.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like how am I ever going to get there?

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[UNKNOWN]: How do I, how, I don't, I barely even know what a hundred bucks in my pocket feels like, let alone a two million dollar house.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so, there's also that factor of like, I felt like I was genuinely alone because there wasn't, I didn't, I felt like I didn't have anybody to talk to.

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[UNKNOWN]: when you obviously do, but I think with young men, it feels like you have to have a man that you can talk to.

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[UNKNOWN]: And you might have male role models in your life, but they might not be the right ones who are people you can actually talk to about this.

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[UNKNOWN]: You were just like, we'll suck it up and it'll be a bitch.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that's not what you need to hear in those situations.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so,

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[UNKNOWN]: It's it's it's it's a problem.

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[UNKNOWN]: I mean, we you know it we all know it like that this is an epidemic They were you know that we're dealing with in the United States and across the world quite frankly, but yeah, it's It's gonna talk and we're all going through it.

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[UNKNOWN]: We've all been there.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, life's rough man.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, life's rough dude.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm someone that like it's funny it's a quote I just heard recently that I think is so helpful for just younger adults and just people in general We're dealing with stuff our whole life

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[UNKNOWN]: And is this something that would have really helped me because I felt like even 18 years old now so far behind because we had so little.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so I just felt like I was never ever going to get there, never ever going to be the person sitting in this table right now.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it's that the compass was invented before the clock.

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[UNKNOWN]: because people back then didn't care how long it took, they just cared that they got there.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I love it.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's so powerful because it's, it's true you're not behind.

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[UNKNOWN]: The life's gonna take you where it wants to take you.

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, if your life is like water, it's gonna go where it wants to go.

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[UNKNOWN]: But if you just keep moving forward, you don't give up, you don't quit, and just focus on following true north.

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[UNKNOWN]: do everything in your power to follow that line.

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[UNKNOWN]: You're gonna get there.

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[UNKNOWN]: You're not behind.

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[UNKNOWN]: Again, the compass was invented before the clock.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's part of the gate, too.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's part of the deal, you know?

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[UNKNOWN]: I remember I drove a 1997 Dodge Grand Caravan with a window tape shot on the driver's side because it was broken and I didn't get it fixed.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then my wife and I lived in a really small house and when you walked through the front door of the house on the right hand side was the

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[UNKNOWN]: was the couch with the TV on the left-hand side when you walk through the front door was our bed.

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[UNKNOWN]: And because I had three kids at the time, two girls and it was a two bedroom house, two girls and one bed, the boy and another bedroom and my wife and I were living in the living room.

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[UNKNOWN]: And the thing is, what's crazy is I look back at like, I did not give a shit.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was like, hey, this is what we're doing.

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[UNKNOWN]: This is how we're rolling this way.

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[UNKNOWN]: What's up?

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[UNKNOWN]: This is kind of the, this is kind of the lore of life.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like,

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[UNKNOWN]: the lore of hey was what we're gonna do we're gonna make things happen i don't know i never really was too focused on like i knew that i knew that that was the right path to be on but this is what you got to do you know i wanted to buy a house i wanted to own a house it's 934 square feet you got a what's that a five-person family this is what we're doing yeah like this is our role and and i never even felt frustrated about it now that i think back i mean i'm i'm just thinking back right now for the first time kind of from this perspective of being in

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[UNKNOWN]: a spot where it's like, oh, this, it kind of, if I look at it right now, I can admit that it kind of sucks.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: If you'd asked me at the time, I wouldn't have thought it sucked at all.

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[UNKNOWN]: I would have been like, oh, no, dude, we, look at this.

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[UNKNOWN]: All my kids are going to come out into my bed in the morning, all three of them are going to pile into this bed, which is on the floor in the living room.

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[UNKNOWN]: And that's what we're going to do and it's going to be fun.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I think that framing things up right perspective.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I and again now it's like, well, you know, I have my own room.

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[UNKNOWN]: I have us, you know, my room right now in my house is on the second floor.

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[UNKNOWN]: and it's got a little office and my own bathroom with my wife.

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[UNKNOWN]: We have our own freaking wing basically, right?

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, I just like, now he's like, oh, I can't imagine living in the living room.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's like, brother, at the time, I didn't care at all.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I think you got to look too.

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[UNKNOWN]: Hey, where you are right now is not necessarily where you're going to be forever.

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[UNKNOWN]: And especially if you're thinking strategic about, hey, this little sacrifice is I'm making right now, it's going to be okay.

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[UNKNOWN]: Well, makes sacrifices now and they'll pay off in the future.

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[UNKNOWN]: You've got to do hard things.

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[UNKNOWN]: Things have to suck before they get better.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's just life.

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[UNKNOWN]: It has to suck before it gets better.

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[UNKNOWN]: If it doesn't suck, it's never going to get better.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, what was the transition from Spartan races to ultra running?

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[UNKNOWN]: It was COVID, COVID hits, I get invited to be on Team USA, you know, I'm running as a pro, I just ran in Spartan World Championship, they're about to like roll out like this whole, you know, like World Tour, I'm gonna be one of the athletes on this sport race.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let me be on Team USA, like this is this is sick, and then COVID, and

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[UNKNOWN]: What else is there to do but to go run a nature so I actually was actually was running the grand canyon right before everything shut down So I went ran the grand canyon right before everything shut down They got everything was kind of up in the air and That was like my introduction to ultra running was the grand canyon quite the introduction

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, but then again, Kobe hits and I'm like, well, I don't know what else to the hell to do.

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[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's just go around to the top of this mountain.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, let's go, you know, just run far and see what happens.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, you know, I ran the tallest peak in Utah.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was about 30, I went pretty far miles and whatever.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then, 2021, some ultra races started to come back.

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[UNKNOWN]: I now had a taste for it.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, well, let's just go around an ultra.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, now I had some friends that were running as 100K.

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[UNKNOWN]: Or it's actually a 90K.

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[UNKNOWN]: I got lost and it turned a new 100K.

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[UNKNOWN]: So my belt buckle says, my belt buckle says, what 92, 90, whatever it is, but I ran 100.

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[UNKNOWN]: Dude, an eight-click excursion.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, it was rough.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was rough.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I just signed up with this race.

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[UNKNOWN]: Zero, no idea what I'm doing.

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[UNKNOWN]: And mile 20, I actually tore my posterior tip, ran 40 miles on it and finished the race.

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[UNKNOWN]: I've got second to last place.

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[UNKNOWN]: With 30 seconds to spare to get my buckle.

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[UNKNOWN]: Damn.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was, it was, how many hours is that?

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[UNKNOWN]: That was 16 hours, basically.

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[UNKNOWN]: 16 hours and that's it was your first 100,000.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, 100.

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[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so that was like my first legitimate ultra and you know, you think I tore my post your your tip I couldn't run for six months and but I had this itch.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was like that was awesome I want to do that again even though it sucks so bad But I get back in the Spartan because I I did have a injury that I three doctors tell me I'd never run again

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[UNKNOWN]: So, and I'm like, you, like, I'm gonna go running down, like, go to hell, and you can't tell me what to do.

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[UNKNOWN]: You're freaking sitting there, just sitting behind a desk, like, you don't know what you're talking about.

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[UNKNOWN]: You didn't nerd.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly, you didn't nerd.

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[UNKNOWN]: So, I'm like,

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[UNKNOWN]: You know, so I do the physical therapy.

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[UNKNOWN]: I do all this stuff and I'm like, okay, we need to, I ain't get my mojo back.

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[UNKNOWN]: Spartan.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's 22.

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[UNKNOWN]: Spartan's back.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I sound it for a few races.

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[UNKNOWN]: Potium.

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[UNKNOWN]: Cool.

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[UNKNOWN]: Mojo's back.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's get the hell out of here.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, because I want to go back to Ultra.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, 23.

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[UNKNOWN]: I have a hole.

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[UNKNOWN]: Did you feel like you had a more of a, um, capability, an ultra?

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[UNKNOWN]: Or did you just like it more?

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[UNKNOWN]: I wanted more.

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[UNKNOWN]: Spartan was great, it was fun, but it was fun.

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[UNKNOWN]: And you know, there's kind of a pattern in my life where it's like, yeah, it's fun.

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[UNKNOWN]: Can we go a little bit?

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[UNKNOWN]: Can we do a little bit more?

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[UNKNOWN]: Can we go a little bit further?

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[UNKNOWN]: Like, what else can we do?

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[UNKNOWN]: And altering also it was fun, but it was like,

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[UNKNOWN]: I don't earn that shit.

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[UNKNOWN]: Like running a Spartan is quick.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's a couple hours, and most, that type of suffering, it's suffering, but it's not suffering.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's acute, it's acute pain for a minute.

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[UNKNOWN]: And, but like, I was like, I wanna feel that, and it goes back to a lot of the trauma of everything.

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[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, there's a part of it that's running away, but it's also a part of me that's chasing it.

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[UNKNOWN]: And we can kind of talk about that in a minute.

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[UNKNOWN]: But it, I just, I wanted, I wanted that suffering.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so, but I needed my melodia back.

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[UNKNOWN]: I needed to make sure I could even run again.

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[UNKNOWN]: Again, go party, party, I'm a few races and like, Kay, cool.

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[UNKNOWN]: Ultras.

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[UNKNOWN]: Let's go.

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[UNKNOWN]: and you're not built like an ultra runner.

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[UNKNOWN]: No, no.

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[UNKNOWN]: I weighed right now.

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[UNKNOWN]: I think I'm back about like 202 last time I weighed.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm probably 202-205 somewhere there.

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[UNKNOWN]: What's the official like Clydesdale weight class?

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[UNKNOWN]: I think it's 200-200.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think so.

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[UNKNOWN]: Might be 225?

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[UNKNOWN]: I forget.

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[UNKNOWN]: They've changed it a few times, but yeah, it's a basic, we like, 200.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so, but this is how much I weigh during the time.

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[UNKNOWN]: It was funny.

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[UNKNOWN]: I have a picture on one of the podiums.

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[UNKNOWN]: I miss tall as the dude standing on the first place podium.

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[UNKNOWN]: We got the second place.

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[UNKNOWN]: And it's tall, like I'm, I'm tall, like I'm, I was just, like these dudes are like a buck, you know, buck 40, buck 50 and I'm 200 pounds, almost a foot taller, just like, you know, crushing it in

57:50.040 --> 57:53.104
[UNKNOWN]: Because this is still like, ultr running hasn't gets right now.

57:53.165 --> 57:54.366
[UNKNOWN]: It's so unfair.

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[UNKNOWN]: Some fire.

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[UNKNOWN]: Still relatively new at the time.

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[UNKNOWN]: Goggins was starting to really take a fold from my social media perspective at this time.

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[UNKNOWN]: And so like it's kind of starting to get its thing here.

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[UNKNOWN]: Um, but I kind of was pushed out of the ultra community a little bit because I didn't fit the narrative.

58:14.190 --> 58:17.272
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't, I'm a, I'm a, you're a buff runner.

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[UNKNOWN]: I'm a hybrid athlete, you know, like it said, it's an old hybrid athlete thing.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I just, I didn't fit this narrative of the same thing.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I, I even training for these thousand miles.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was lifting all the time.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.

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[UNKNOWN]: The gym is the gym as much as I love running the gym as my safe place.

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[UNKNOWN]: There's a reason I own a gym It's like I love the gym.

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[UNKNOWN]: I love lifting all day But yeah, it's you know again, I'm again, we're getting into the ultimate space I wanted that I wanted more so 2023 comes around

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[UNKNOWN]: And I have a whole list of altruism and I'm gonna go run.

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[UNKNOWN]: Getting ready for all of them.

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[UNKNOWN]: And June was my first one.

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[UNKNOWN]: And I actually suffered a pretty severe cardiac event.

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[UNKNOWN]: I was just training so much.

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[UNKNOWN]: opposite.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I was full blown powerlifting and full blown ultra training.

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[UNKNOWN]: You can lift weights and you can run, you can powerlifting, you can run, but you can't do the extreme because you have extreme aerobic and extreme anaerobic happening.

59:25.409 --> 59:28.951
[UNKNOWN]: The heart just can't do that cross that many times.

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[UNKNOWN]: So basically what I was diagnosed with, what I was diagnosed with was a unspecified major cardiac event.

59:37.437 --> 59:43.100
[UNKNOWN]: where basically it happens in triathletes where your heart essentially just like tries to stop.

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[UNKNOWN]: It's just like I'm tired, bro.

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[UNKNOWN]: Peace.

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[UNKNOWN]: And then obviously can't.

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[UNKNOWN]: So it stops and then starts again and it ends up causing heart attack like symptoms and hospital for a couple of days and doing a whole bunch of tests.

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[UNKNOWN]: So I shouldn't run any I ran a couple of like there's search series and Utah now it's like they're actually all over the place but

01:00:03.271 --> 01:00:15.634
[UNKNOWN]: They put you on some kind of protocol, or they like, hey, this is what we're gonna monitor this whole show look for like Yeah, so I did a bunch of tests while you dead lifting 500 pounds and running 500 miles Yeah, so they it was actually really funny.

01:00:15.674 --> 01:00:20.315
[UNKNOWN]: They couldn't do the test might they couldn't do stress testing in the hospital They'd have the equipment for it.

01:00:20.335 --> 01:00:32.078
[UNKNOWN]: So they gave me this special heart rate strap And like a couple of like notes and said hey, we need you to go trail running the three days after You just have this freaking like a heart attack so I'm having a panic attack

01:00:33.058 --> 01:00:52.065
[UNKNOWN]: Running up this mountain because my heart rate spiking and I also just like had a heart attack basically and so I'm panicking and That was actually a really big mental piece for me that really flipped my my mentality of I can do You can you can own yourself you can own your mind.

01:00:52.085 --> 01:00:56.467
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I was I was on this run and I'm panicking

01:00:57.007 --> 01:00:58.607
[UNKNOWN]: I'm just like, I'm gonna have another heart attack.

01:00:59.147 --> 01:01:00.748
[UNKNOWN]: I'm especially after what happened to Chad.

01:01:01.008 --> 01:01:02.568
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this has got to be in your brain.

01:01:02.588 --> 01:01:05.889
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, and it's, you know, I'm scared of my heart attack.

01:01:06.029 --> 01:01:08.149
[UNKNOWN]: I'm in the mountains, like what if something happens?

01:01:08.229 --> 01:01:10.229
[UNKNOWN]: I'm really starting to panic.

01:01:10.389 --> 01:01:11.329
[UNKNOWN]: I used to have panic attack.

01:01:11.349 --> 01:01:13.690
[UNKNOWN]: I think I would have been running laps around the hospital.

01:01:13.710 --> 01:01:15.990
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, never mind the trail.

01:01:16.110 --> 01:01:21.551
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was, it was a weird protocol that I'm just, I was panicking.

01:01:21.591 --> 01:01:26.012
[UNKNOWN]: And I used to have these panic attacks when I was, you know, suffering from, you know, dealing with all the depression.

01:01:26.404 --> 01:01:33.727
[UNKNOWN]: I would literally curl up in a ball in the corner and just shake for my panic attacks for so many times every day for months on end.

01:01:34.267 --> 01:01:44.731
[UNKNOWN]: That also added into the whole depressive thing, but I, you know, so this panic starts I haven't had a panic attack in years and I'm like, oh my god, like what what is happening?

01:01:45.291 --> 01:01:50.713
[UNKNOWN]: And I just took a deep breath and I said, own yourself, stop in a bitch, own yourself.

01:01:51.582 --> 01:01:55.484
[UNKNOWN]: own yourself, own your mind, and I actually started just repeating own yourself, own yourself.

01:01:56.125 --> 01:02:03.329
[UNKNOWN]: And I like my pace, got faster, I got more steady, my heart rate dropped, and it changed.

01:02:03.989 --> 01:02:08.972
[UNKNOWN]: It really changed my mentality of you can, you can too.

01:02:10.013 --> 01:02:12.615
[UNKNOWN]: You have control over everything.

01:02:12.655 --> 01:02:16.977
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, my shirt, it says pain is a mindset, because it's all a mindset.

01:02:20.099 --> 01:02:21.580
[UNKNOWN]: We got more in this tank.

01:02:21.921 --> 01:02:23.121
[UNKNOWN]: Let's figure this heart shit out.

01:02:24.222 --> 01:02:28.786
[UNKNOWN]: We'll go from here, but we got to get this settled, and then we'll go from here.

01:02:30.127 --> 01:02:31.588
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I just own yourself.

01:02:31.968 --> 01:02:32.408
[UNKNOWN]: Own yourself.

01:02:32.849 --> 01:02:34.370
[UNKNOWN]: I'm sure he did that to myself that day.

01:02:36.091 --> 01:02:39.113
[UNKNOWN]: So you get kind of back on track and you end up going to this to Missouri.

01:02:39.313 --> 01:02:40.033
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, St. Louis.

01:02:40.633 --> 01:02:44.975
[UNKNOWN]: And that's to get your degree in What a nutrition.

01:02:45.116 --> 01:02:49.057
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so the actual degree is called applying nutrition and dietetics.

01:02:49.918 --> 01:02:52.599
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm a master's in that, but it was I had to go to clinical rotations.

01:02:52.799 --> 01:02:54.480
[UNKNOWN]: So to be a dietitian, it is a medical.

01:02:55.381 --> 01:02:58.902
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, you know, you become a licensed medical practitioner.

01:02:58.922 --> 01:03:00.143
[UNKNOWN]: It's a different type of medicine.

01:03:01.164 --> 01:03:05.150
[UNKNOWN]: You have nurses, you have doctors, you have dietitians, they all fall into that scope.

01:03:05.390 --> 01:03:07.794
[UNKNOWN]: And so you have to do rotations, just like a nurse, the doctor.

01:03:08.134 --> 01:03:14.264
[UNKNOWN]: My daughter went to college, my middle daughter went to college and she did nutrition science and some of her friends carried on to become diets.

01:03:14.284 --> 01:03:16.247
[UNKNOWN]: So I've kind of watched her friends go through that.

01:03:16.727 --> 01:03:19.829
[UNKNOWN]: cycle of doing the working in the hospital in the whole 90s.

01:03:19.849 --> 01:03:21.110
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's what you were doing.

01:03:21.290 --> 01:03:26.553
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I was in Missouri and that was a time.

01:03:28.173 --> 01:03:28.634
[UNKNOWN]: It's funny.

01:03:28.834 --> 01:03:35.598
[UNKNOWN]: I was actually in a worse mental place there than I was in Ogden, but I just understood where I was and I knew that

01:03:36.618 --> 01:03:56.586
[UNKNOWN]: the pain is temporary, the pain is mindset like this is where that whole mantra started to do exists that come to put you that pain is a mindset, it's all temporary and it sucked Missouri's alcohol, I think Lewis is terrible, most of my rotations were in like North of Ferguson, I mean we all know the Ferguson riots, this is where most of my rotations were so we're in the

01:03:57.546 --> 01:04:04.389
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, literally, the most dangerous place in America, that it was number, it jumps between one and three at this point.

01:04:04.849 --> 01:04:08.090
[UNKNOWN]: But when we were there, it first read your straight at number one.

01:04:08.971 --> 01:04:13.412
[UNKNOWN]: So, I not only have that stress for myself, but I also brought my wife here with me.

01:04:13.913 --> 01:04:14.613
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to bring her.

01:04:15.815 --> 01:04:20.497
[UNKNOWN]: Obviously, I wanted to bring her, but I didn't want to bring her to St. Louis, I don't want to put her in this situation.

01:04:21.457 --> 01:04:25.938
[UNKNOWN]: And so there were a lot, I had a lot going through my head and so ultra running was my escape.

01:04:26.618 --> 01:04:37.362
[UNKNOWN]: Where it was like, it's going on an ultra, it's kind of like whatever, like I ditched a couple of my rotations where I called and sick and I went and ran ultra just like on a Tuesday.

01:04:38.642 --> 01:04:39.403
[UNKNOWN]: Just buy yourself.

01:04:39.503 --> 01:04:40.464
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:04:41.064 --> 01:04:45.947
[UNKNOWN]: One of the times I was running with someone who was running across America, another time was also with someone running across America.

01:04:45.967 --> 01:04:49.369
[UNKNOWN]: But that I would just go run by myself there was one day.

01:04:49.389 --> 01:04:51.770
[UNKNOWN]: I just worked like 60 hours that week.

01:04:52.491 --> 01:04:55.573
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm sitting there, it's Friday.

01:04:55.593 --> 01:04:58.915
[UNKNOWN]: It's like 10 p.m. And my fuck you, man.

01:04:58.975 --> 01:05:01.737
[UNKNOWN]: It's saying this to myself, like you're such a bitch.

01:05:02.717 --> 01:05:06.620
[UNKNOWN]: I packed a lunch box, woke up at 5 a.m. and I went and ran a 50k around the park.

01:05:07.660 --> 01:05:14.343
[UNKNOWN]: Just because I need to feel something I just had and this is where like this like other side of the ultra Right because it was just doing it.

01:05:14.444 --> 01:05:15.864
[UNKNOWN]: I wasn't signing up for races.

01:05:15.884 --> 01:05:24.469
[UNKNOWN]: I was just going to the park running a 50k I ran this is when I and this also was at this time I was actually planning on running across America

01:05:25.709 --> 01:05:31.352
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and it was, it was something that had been on my mind for a couple of years, but it's like, this needs, there needs to be a bigger purpose.

01:05:31.893 --> 01:05:36.975
[UNKNOWN]: Not just for the sake of the running of like, I need to, I need to, I need to better why to get me out of bed.

01:05:37.676 --> 01:05:42.638
[UNKNOWN]: I need to have, this is already a selfish endeavor, so there needs to be a bigger purpose.

01:05:42.698 --> 01:05:44.659
[UNKNOWN]: And it needs to be something I'm genuinely passionate about.

01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:45.220
[UNKNOWN]: I can't just pick.

01:05:46.040 --> 01:05:49.701
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I'm going to go run for cancer because, you know, cancer is a problem.

01:05:50.702 --> 01:05:56.504
[UNKNOWN]: Again, needed to be something that came from like the heart, and so I was like, if it comes, great.

01:05:56.904 --> 01:05:57.764
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to cross America.

01:05:57.944 --> 01:05:58.465
[UNKNOWN]: We'll do the thing.

01:05:58.885 --> 01:05:59.765
[UNKNOWN]: If not, whatever.

01:06:00.045 --> 01:06:02.366
[UNKNOWN]: But there has to be a genuine purpose to what I'm doing.

01:06:02.386 --> 01:06:06.167
[UNKNOWN]: And then one day, popped into my head, I'm going to run for single parents.

01:06:07.328 --> 01:06:08.068
[UNKNOWN]: This is my life.

01:06:08.588 --> 01:06:12.850
[UNKNOWN]: My life stems from that, and there's so many single parents that did not have what we had.

01:06:13.730 --> 01:06:15.012
[UNKNOWN]: and are doing it alone.

01:06:15.613 --> 01:06:16.855
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm a very, very, very single parent.

01:06:16.875 --> 01:06:19.158
[UNKNOWN]: So I found an organization that just happened to be in Utah.

01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:23.305
[UNKNOWN]: And I kind of kicked off this project to run from Seattle to Miami.

01:06:23.325 --> 01:06:24.747
[UNKNOWN]: But I knew some things needed to happen.

01:06:24.847 --> 01:06:26.329
[UNKNOWN]: I knew I needed to practice.

01:06:26.369 --> 01:06:28.573
[UNKNOWN]: So run across Utah fell into the project.

01:06:29.333 --> 01:06:32.595
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to kick off the project with something, so I did 24 hours around the track.

01:06:33.555 --> 01:06:37.998
[UNKNOWN]: And I, you know, I'd start, so I did that while I was in school, I actually flew back home.

01:06:39.058 --> 01:06:49.744
[UNKNOWN]: Did this, you know, I did this 24 hours around the track, flew back, continued, it was which was running these random ultra at the park and just like down the road or whatever everyone I was out there.

01:06:49.764 --> 01:06:51.605
[UNKNOWN]: How far did you run in 24 hours around the track?

01:06:51.925 --> 01:06:52.946
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I only made it 70.

01:06:53.366 --> 01:06:55.267
[UNKNOWN]: I, that's a pretty serious stomach problems.

01:06:55.307 --> 01:06:58.668
[UNKNOWN]: I over consumed electrolytes because the temperature flipped on me.

01:06:59.388 --> 01:07:01.669
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it was just uncontrolled variable.

01:07:02.310 --> 01:07:02.810
[UNKNOWN]: Jay happens.

01:07:02.850 --> 01:07:03.710
[UNKNOWN]: It's an ultramarathon.

01:07:04.371 --> 01:07:07.732
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, still made it 70, but I should have been able to clear 100.

01:07:07.772 --> 01:07:11.174
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but uh, and how long were you on Missouri for?

01:07:11.774 --> 01:07:33.467
[UNKNOWN]: a year and we were in we got there and we got it out like it was we lost we bought a house because we were like you know we can buy a house they're cheap we can turn it into a rental property and we said nope we lost we lost five grand on the house and said we're getting to get the hell out of here we out we bought an RV actually because it was do six grand to move back home and so we're like

01:07:34.668 --> 01:07:46.757
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so we went bot an RV for 10 grand put all of our stuff in it drove back to Utah Dropped our stuff off in a storage unit and then went lived on the California coast for four months after in our RV It was amazing.

01:07:46.777 --> 01:07:49.018
[UNKNOWN]: It was like some of the best bumps in my life.

01:07:49.278 --> 01:08:02.788
[UNKNOWN]: You get some good running in the California coast amazing Yeah, we drove from Just north of the San Francisco Bay all the way to Oregon and just like stayed in different places over a couple of months on the way there California

01:08:03.448 --> 01:08:12.215
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, somebody hit me up on social media the other day and said when you, uh, you know, when you're going to move to Texas or Florida and get out of the failing state of California.

01:08:12.776 --> 01:08:14.998
[UNKNOWN]: I love California and I wrote, I'm not leaving.

01:08:17.860 --> 01:08:18.681
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to fight for it.

01:08:19.021 --> 01:08:21.623
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to try and keep it real out here in California.

01:08:21.843 --> 01:08:22.263
[UNKNOWN]: I love it.

01:08:22.363 --> 01:08:23.424
[UNKNOWN]: I'm Northern California.

01:08:23.564 --> 01:08:31.471
[UNKNOWN]: I honestly think California is going to be, this is a whole separate discussion, but I think California should be sweating at two states because Northern and Southern California are completely different places.

01:08:32.053 --> 01:08:40.796
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's pretty awesome that they're one big giant state, and they'd not only have, and you have the coast, you have the Pacific Ocean, you have the desert incredible.

01:08:40.896 --> 01:08:44.437
[UNKNOWN]: In the Redwoods, you have the Redwoods, you've got your semidee, unbelievable.

01:08:44.937 --> 01:08:50.859
[UNKNOWN]: Sierra Nevada's, you've got the Sierra Nevada's, which is incredible, like Lake Tahoe, it's just, it's wonderful.

01:08:50.999 --> 01:08:52.779
[UNKNOWN]: It's an epic place.

01:08:53.579 --> 01:08:58.781
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, we've got some interesting things to deal with that we'll sort out, but I'm not leaving.

01:08:59.762 --> 01:09:03.624
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not leaving, they want me to leave, right?

01:09:03.824 --> 01:09:07.646
[UNKNOWN]: They're trying to put pressure, they want, they want you to leave, but I'm staying.

01:09:09.527 --> 01:09:13.650
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not fucking leaving exactly, exactly.

01:09:14.290 --> 01:09:15.431
[UNKNOWN]: I have the Welfa Wall Street.

01:09:15.451 --> 01:09:17.272
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the Welfa Wall Street.

01:09:17.332 --> 01:09:18.613
[UNKNOWN]: I've forgotten losing there.

01:09:18.873 --> 01:09:21.134
[UNKNOWN]: Well, because you went, you went and lived in your RV on the California.

01:09:21.154 --> 01:09:22.195
[UNKNOWN]: That was a good run to it.

01:09:22.215 --> 01:09:23.735
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I've got some beautiful runs.

01:09:23.795 --> 01:09:24.456
[UNKNOWN]: It was amazing.

01:09:24.476 --> 01:09:25.797
[UNKNOWN]: It was a good time to just decompress.

01:09:27.138 --> 01:09:30.162
[UNKNOWN]: You know so much of my life and shout out to my life.

01:09:30.362 --> 01:09:32.685
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, how did you guys get married we got made in 2018?

01:09:32.705 --> 01:09:33.166
[UNKNOWN]: We were young.

01:09:33.486 --> 01:09:33.867
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay.

01:09:33.887 --> 01:09:34.508
[UNKNOWN]: We got we were young.

01:09:34.548 --> 01:09:35.009
[UNKNOWN]: We were 20.

01:09:35.529 --> 01:09:35.950
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.

01:09:36.030 --> 01:09:36.551
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we were young.

01:09:36.571 --> 01:09:37.732
[UNKNOWN]: So this was during college?

01:09:38.133 --> 01:09:38.573
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.

01:09:38.593 --> 01:09:43.220
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was honestly like we'd lived together for some time and we were like

01:09:44.852 --> 01:09:46.833
[UNKNOWN]: wing of fat tax return if we married.

01:09:48.394 --> 01:09:52.197
[UNKNOWN]: So we got that was the tipping we were we were going to get married.

01:09:52.417 --> 01:09:58.080
[UNKNOWN]: But it was just like you know the taxes why not so yeah we got married in 2018.

01:09:59.601 --> 01:10:02.023
[UNKNOWN]: But yeah my forget what we were talking about.

01:10:02.203 --> 01:10:04.184
[UNKNOWN]: So then you did the trip to California.

01:10:04.204 --> 01:10:10.728
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah you're running beautiful runs in California and it was just a time to decompress because this whole to this is what I was going to

01:10:11.709 --> 01:10:26.801
[UNKNOWN]: you know again the shout out to my wife for just being along for this ride because at any point she could have just been like dude you're insane I'm out of here she could have and I would have I would have never held an against her because there was there's always been that part of me it's like just like

01:10:28.102 --> 01:10:33.889
[UNKNOWN]: Almost like just wait like we're gonna like if we're gonna get there normal stuff will happen Yes, we're gonna get there.

01:10:34.109 --> 01:10:44.682
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna get there like I thought like you know, I have I had my I had my shit that I dealt with It's not like I just magically got better now there was no no abuse nothing of that but like I mean I was

01:10:45.662 --> 01:10:52.025
[UNKNOWN]: I was an angry guy, I had, you know, I would have these outbursts not towards her, but just like in general in the house.

01:10:52.285 --> 01:10:54.226
[UNKNOWN]: It's not, that's not a healthy to be around.

01:10:55.046 --> 01:10:56.427
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I had issues.

01:10:57.207 --> 01:10:59.648
[UNKNOWN]: And what would make you mad?

01:11:00.288 --> 01:11:01.208
[UNKNOWN]: Stupid shit, man.

01:11:01.549 --> 01:11:05.810
[UNKNOWN]: It's dumb my toe, and I'd throw something at the wall or stupid things.

01:11:06.050 --> 01:11:09.572
[UNKNOWN]: Just like unprocessed trauma that just led to stupid behaviors.

01:11:11.613 --> 01:11:12.973
[UNKNOWN]: I love my wife.

01:11:13.313 --> 01:11:18.796
[UNKNOWN]: She is my world and my lights and none like never ever was any of it towards her.

01:11:18.916 --> 01:11:25.859
[UNKNOWN]: Even if something she did upset me, that was the one thing that for some reason never triggered something.

01:11:26.699 --> 01:11:37.506
[UNKNOWN]: Um, but yeah, so I had, I had my issues and it was, I was just like, just wait till we're just, I promise when school's over like, I'm gonna make it a little bit better and like, you know, there's always like this, and she stuck around.

01:11:37.986 --> 01:11:39.107
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why she stuck around.

01:11:39.127 --> 01:11:41.768
[UNKNOWN]: I think God she did because she is my life.

01:11:42.849 --> 01:11:48.572
[UNKNOWN]: But I, we went to get, we did it to kind of decompress and we both just went through hell.

01:11:48.672 --> 01:11:52.435
[UNKNOWN]: We watched people get shot in this area like it was, I mean, it was a war zone there.

01:11:53.035 --> 01:11:53.595
[UNKNOWN]: Genuinely,

01:11:56.918 --> 01:12:09.411
[UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, it was, it was a war zone in St. Louis, gunshots constantly, you're constantly on edge because you don't know.

01:12:10.312 --> 01:12:12.634
[UNKNOWN]: You piss off the wrong person at the grocery store, you're going to get shot.

01:12:13.635 --> 01:12:30.085
[UNKNOWN]: It just, and so it was, we just needed this time to decompress and, again, it, it was, it's not an I'm right, but it was like, I knew there was a light at the end of the tunnel and we just had to get to the end of this end of this path and that light was there.

01:12:30.385 --> 01:12:36.088
[UNKNOWN]: So what was your plan for like financial life after you got on with college?

01:12:36.168 --> 01:12:36.968
[UNKNOWN]: So it was building,

01:12:38.049 --> 01:12:45.556
[UNKNOWN]: building my private practice where I was in the process of I actually started building my gym while I was in Missouri in Utah.

01:12:45.576 --> 01:12:52.243
[UNKNOWN]: We started the whole process of that, my my partners and that and you know social media as well.

01:12:52.283 --> 01:12:56.867
[UNKNOWN]: Like I've you know I've started to build something with social media that's why I'm sitting here with you guys right now.

01:12:58.089 --> 01:13:05.678
[UNKNOWN]: you know, there's that side of it and then I also own demolition sub-contracting company as well.

01:13:06.018 --> 01:13:15.009
[UNKNOWN]: And so, you know, building all of this and that was also something, again, shout out to my wife for just like understanding that

01:13:15.710 --> 01:13:38.698
[UNKNOWN]: just because we graduated school does not mean that all of a sudden everything is fine and dandy like there's you know we're and she's also building her own so she's building her private practice she's therapist and we found a really good flow and shit's great now and and it was great then it's you know it's I look back and it's always been great it's just you know you're just gonna it's a perspective she has that we talked about but

01:13:39.398 --> 01:13:49.146
[UNKNOWN]: And this point now, it's, you know, I run across America is still priority, you know, this is like I want to do this, I understood the social media side of things.

01:13:49.166 --> 01:13:56.472
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, I need, if I want people to, if I wanted this to be possible, if I want to, I want to be a professional athlete.

01:13:56.492 --> 01:14:02.456
[UNKNOWN]: If I want to, you know, to make a career out of this, social media has got to be a part of this, so we start, I start getting into the whole social media side of things.

01:14:03.797 --> 01:14:04.358
[UNKNOWN]: I might can now.

01:14:04.378 --> 01:14:07.321
[UNKNOWN]: I need to do something that will get me ready to run across America.

01:14:08.001 --> 01:14:09.403
[UNKNOWN]: Let's start prepping to run across Utah.

01:14:09.423 --> 01:14:10.864
[UNKNOWN]: So I started out training in California.

01:14:10.884 --> 01:14:12.346
[UNKNOWN]: That's the way.

01:14:12.486 --> 01:14:13.246
[UNKNOWN]: That's the way to train.

01:14:14.388 --> 01:14:17.150
[UNKNOWN]: So I did the first half of that training block living out of the RV.

01:14:17.390 --> 01:14:19.372
[UNKNOWN]: Great mental training because I would.

01:14:20.053 --> 01:14:21.494
[UNKNOWN]: My wife is a therapist.

01:14:22.307 --> 01:14:22.987
[UNKNOWN]: There's HIPAA.

01:14:23.468 --> 01:14:26.690
[UNKNOWN]: We're living in a 50 square foot RV with two dogs.

01:14:27.250 --> 01:14:28.671
[UNKNOWN]: I can't be there when she's doing therapy.

01:14:29.191 --> 01:14:34.274
[UNKNOWN]: So I would basically just go run all day and just go do stuff because I'm like, I have no job.

01:14:34.894 --> 01:14:38.376
[UNKNOWN]: I have a couple, you know, I've picked up a couple clients at this point, but I'm basically have no job.

01:14:38.856 --> 01:14:43.019
[UNKNOWN]: So I was just like running and running and training for this race.

01:14:43.139 --> 01:14:48.762
[UNKNOWN]: We move back to Utah and then November, I kept training and went and ran across

01:14:52.284 --> 01:15:00.029
[UNKNOWN]: Um, and run across America is not actually going to happen, but uh, because of what I discovered running across Utah.

01:15:00.049 --> 01:15:03.091
[UNKNOWN]: I was just like, I don't actually think I want to run across America now.

01:15:03.612 --> 01:15:04.912
[UNKNOWN]: It's a logistical nightmare, dude.

01:15:05.893 --> 01:15:08.015
[UNKNOWN]: But, uh, one of my buddies did it, Rob Jones.

01:15:08.075 --> 01:15:08.875
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.

01:15:09.355 --> 01:15:11.797
[UNKNOWN]: And he is a double above the knee amputee.

01:15:12.257 --> 01:15:12.598
[UNKNOWN]: Wow.

01:15:12.618 --> 01:15:15.279
[UNKNOWN]: And he ran across America like a badass.

01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:16.840
[UNKNOWN]: That's unbelievable.

01:15:16.880 --> 01:15:17.561
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to take him.

01:15:19.482 --> 01:15:29.249
[UNKNOWN]: I forget the actual time but it was it was not crazy like I mean he was running he was running massive amounts He was impressive.

01:15:29.569 --> 01:15:31.450
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know sorry he biked across him.

01:15:32.010 --> 01:15:32.951
[UNKNOWN]: He biked across America.

01:15:32.971 --> 01:15:38.635
[UNKNOWN]: He still insane But he did 31 marifons in 31 days in 30 different in different cities in America.

01:15:38.735 --> 01:15:40.136
[UNKNOWN]: Wow So that's humble.

01:15:40.256 --> 01:15:41.016
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, okay.

01:15:41.036 --> 01:15:41.757
[UNKNOWN]: I do know who this is.

01:15:41.797 --> 01:15:42.417
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yep.

01:15:42.537 --> 01:15:43.038
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah

01:15:44.038 --> 01:15:53.444
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he biked across America, which was a total gut check and again, he's above the knee amputee Yeah, it's crazy and he's on a he's not on a handbike.

01:15:53.464 --> 01:15:55.525
[UNKNOWN]: He's on a bike So do that.

01:15:55.545 --> 01:15:56.186
[UNKNOWN]: That's insane.

01:15:56.326 --> 01:15:59.948
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's freaking cuz he's just like the Bill different.

01:15:59.968 --> 01:16:04.531
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's just a mentally tough his dude and then yeah, I knee ran 31 marathon some 31 days

01:16:05.511 --> 01:16:09.175
[UNKNOWN]: So you do this and you got a documentary on YouTube.

01:16:09.356 --> 01:16:13.961
[UNKNOWN]: It's called Warn Legs And the title of the book that will be coming.

01:16:14.101 --> 01:16:16.384
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

01:16:16.404 --> 01:16:16.644
[UNKNOWN]: Check.

01:16:16.764 --> 01:16:21.669
[UNKNOWN]: 421 miles and it's Man, I watched the the documentary

01:16:23.211 --> 01:16:25.152
[UNKNOWN]: it's a problem, dude.

01:16:25.252 --> 01:16:26.032
[UNKNOWN]: It's rough.

01:16:27.033 --> 01:16:32.395
[UNKNOWN]: I've done things in my life where I was really, really hurting.

01:16:32.875 --> 01:16:39.899
[UNKNOWN]: You have that moment where you know you have to keep going, but you've taken a break of some kind.

01:16:40.779 --> 01:16:47.005
[UNKNOWN]: and when you get back up to get back into it, there's that moment where your mind hasn't shut off the pain yet.

01:16:47.225 --> 01:16:57.694
[UNKNOWN]: And it's easy, like, four minutes, you know, like literally standing up, getting your shoes on or doing whatever you got to do, and you're in such agony, and you just, you just have to push through that.

01:16:58.915 --> 01:17:01.456
[UNKNOWN]: And I, oh, you're, you're dealing with that.

01:17:01.556 --> 01:17:06.757
[UNKNOWN]: Like, this is what I, I kept seeing, like, each day I was like, oh, there it is again, oh, he doesn't want to get up.

01:17:06.837 --> 01:17:07.877
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, that hurts, doesn't it?

01:17:08.237 --> 01:17:16.559
[UNKNOWN]: And it's funny, there's a, each day you kind of spray paint a mark on the ground of where you were, like a line, hey, this was day three, day four, day five, day six.

01:17:17.299 --> 01:17:27.242
[UNKNOWN]: Like, starting, like, day six, you're just like, so hurt, when you even you bend down to spray paint, I'm like, oh, he's, he does not want to be doing this.

01:17:27.782 --> 01:17:31.326
[UNKNOWN]: But not want to do it has nothing to do with actually doing it.

01:17:31.386 --> 01:17:33.108
[UNKNOWN]: And that's why I did put that's why I do push-ups.

01:17:33.568 --> 01:17:35.030
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you do push-ups every day at the end.

01:17:35.070 --> 01:17:37.092
[UNKNOWN]: Every day and same thing with a thousand every day.

01:17:37.332 --> 01:17:37.993
[UNKNOWN]: Ten push-ups.

01:17:38.153 --> 01:17:39.835
[UNKNOWN]: You can always do a little bit more.

01:17:40.856 --> 01:17:42.057
[UNKNOWN]: Always go a little bit further.

01:17:42.197 --> 01:17:43.138
[UNKNOWN]: That was the whole premise.

01:17:43.418 --> 01:17:44.239
[UNKNOWN]: The day might be over.

01:17:44.259 --> 01:17:45.260
[UNKNOWN]: It's not over.

01:17:46.381 --> 01:17:48.163
[UNKNOWN]: I might have to go to bed, but it's not over.

01:17:48.183 --> 01:17:49.344
[UNKNOWN]: We're gonna do 10 push-ups.

01:17:49.364 --> 01:17:52.787
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, day six of that run.

01:17:53.167 --> 01:17:59.332
[UNKNOWN]: You're like in you can't you can't I'm watching the video You can't put any weight on your ankle.

01:17:59.512 --> 01:18:00.613
[UNKNOWN]: No, you do so so long.

01:18:00.733 --> 01:18:04.456
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just total disaster So you just tape it up

01:18:05.417 --> 01:18:06.858
[UNKNOWN]: It's tape it up days seven.

01:18:06.878 --> 01:18:07.118
[UNKNOWN]: No.

01:18:07.619 --> 01:18:10.080
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's so that's where the never-maked decision in the dark.

01:18:10.340 --> 01:18:15.224
[UNKNOWN]: That's where that That's where that saying essentially came from.

01:18:15.244 --> 01:18:15.924
[UNKNOWN]: Mm-hmm.

01:18:15.964 --> 01:18:18.286
[UNKNOWN]: My buddy He is a badass.

01:18:18.366 --> 01:18:21.408
[UNKNOWN]: He is kind of an unnerd unknown ultra running.

01:18:21.428 --> 01:18:22.168
[UNKNOWN]: He's beat Goggons.

01:18:22.188 --> 01:18:25.951
[UNKNOWN]: He's beat McNight He's beat these guys in their prime and these two on a mile race.

01:18:25.971 --> 01:18:27.252
[UNKNOWN]: So this is a bit this is back in the day and

01:18:28.110 --> 01:18:29.872
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's a bad ass, Nate Williams.

01:18:30.553 --> 01:18:35.958
[UNKNOWN]: He is a, like, I have my list of people who have inspired me to do these things.

01:18:36.018 --> 01:18:39.162
[UNKNOWN]: You, David Goggins, Nate is on this list.

01:18:39.522 --> 01:18:41.164
[UNKNOWN]: A couple of other people who fall not list.

01:18:41.184 --> 01:18:43.526
[UNKNOWN]: And he, he was there.

01:18:43.766 --> 01:18:46.489
[UNKNOWN]: They came and ran like roughly two days with me.

01:18:46.509 --> 01:18:47.290
[UNKNOWN]: It was like a day and a half.

01:18:48.508 --> 01:18:54.234
[UNKNOWN]: And he's there, he's the one that when they picked me up and drove me 20 feet because I couldn't hobble back to the van.

01:18:54.574 --> 01:18:55.015
[UNKNOWN]: That was him.

01:18:55.295 --> 01:18:56.256
[UNKNOWN]: He's the one that drove me over.

01:18:56.276 --> 01:18:58.538
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm sitting and I'm like, I don't know if I can do this man.

01:18:58.959 --> 01:19:00.000
[UNKNOWN]: Like, none of this is on video on him.

01:19:00.020 --> 01:19:01.742
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I don't, I don't think I can do this dude.

01:19:02.042 --> 01:19:03.083
[UNKNOWN]: I don't, how am I going to get up?

01:19:03.764 --> 01:19:04.925
[UNKNOWN]: I can't put any way on my foot.

01:19:05.806 --> 01:19:07.808
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm ready to quit.

01:19:07.848 --> 01:19:11.091
[UNKNOWN]: My crew actually had fully prepped to go home.

01:19:11.932 --> 01:19:14.354
[UNKNOWN]: They didn't do any of the prep for the next day.

01:19:14.875 --> 01:19:18.298
[UNKNOWN]: They practiced at home because they thought they had a quitter on their hands.

01:19:19.178 --> 01:19:20.139
[UNKNOWN]: They just thought it was over.

01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:24.603
[UNKNOWN]: My leg was swollen and Nate goes never make a decision in the dark.

01:19:25.604 --> 01:19:28.626
[UNKNOWN]: That's all I had to say and I said, I'm gonna let's do it again tomorrow.

01:19:29.207 --> 01:19:29.767
[UNKNOWN]: And I went to bed.

01:19:30.788 --> 01:19:46.504
[UNKNOWN]: And it's, uh, and I woke up, and we, I just, you saw the video, if, in her, her, but you just, I was like, I, when I woke up that morning, I told myself, this is going to day seven.

01:19:46.524 --> 01:19:49.887
[UNKNOWN]: I told myself, you, you give this 100%.

01:19:51.829 --> 01:19:53.811
[UNKNOWN]: I don't care if you only make it five miles today.

01:19:54.632 --> 01:20:06.664
[UNKNOWN]: You cannot go home without, and this was the mindset every day, every day I had to give a hundred percent of whatever I had, but this day was you give one hundred percent of everything because you don't know if you're going home.

01:20:07.765 --> 01:20:28.217
[UNKNOWN]: And so it was, I just, I went, I went as hard as I could, given the, you know, the situation I was in this day now we've got 40 mile per hour headwinds that have started and that we're running into and it sucked and I hurt and, you know, I just, I set the goal as like if we're going to keep going you have to run 40 miles in your time limit.

01:20:28.697 --> 01:20:31.921
[UNKNOWN]: Because I had a time limit because of sunsets and different things.

01:20:31.981 --> 01:20:37.527
[UNKNOWN]: And so there was this basically I'm like, you either you give it your all and you only make it five miles whatever.

01:20:37.568 --> 01:20:44.396
[UNKNOWN]: But if we get past that five mile point, because that's why I was essentially giving myself five miles to make sure that I didn't have a broken leg.

01:20:45.257 --> 01:20:47.920
[UNKNOWN]: Because that, you know, the bones broken, not much you can do.

01:20:49.362 --> 01:21:03.843
[UNKNOWN]: And then after that it was like, can you go to 40 and then you do not you give everything Everything to get to that 40 and We get close to the end of the day that day and I have 28 minutes left and I have a 5k I'm like, I'm gonna fucking make it.

01:21:04.844 --> 01:21:05.125
[UNKNOWN]: No way

01:21:06.163 --> 01:21:15.747
[UNKNOWN]: I got to run a sub 10-minute mile and I'm 280 miles in, and it's 282, I think, was the exact mileage at that point, and are 281 miles away.

01:21:15.767 --> 01:21:17.368
[UNKNOWN]: So what's driving the cut-off time?

01:21:18.108 --> 01:21:18.448
[UNKNOWN]: Sunset.

01:21:18.888 --> 01:21:21.509
[UNKNOWN]: But is that like a safety vehicle?

01:21:21.529 --> 01:21:23.250
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because I'm running on state highway.

01:21:23.270 --> 01:21:24.831
[UNKNOWN]: Because there's no rules, is there rules?

01:21:25.211 --> 01:21:28.052
[UNKNOWN]: No, there's no rules, but it's, I'm running on state highways.

01:21:28.272 --> 01:21:30.773
[UNKNOWN]: If it's dark, I already got hit by a car.

01:21:30.833 --> 01:21:34.615
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's hit by a car on Dave, whatever it was.

01:21:35.335 --> 01:21:36.395
[UNKNOWN]: And that was in the middle of the day.

01:21:37.036 --> 01:21:38.076
[UNKNOWN]: It was broad daylight.

01:21:38.436 --> 01:21:41.017
[UNKNOWN]: So if it's night time, like I'm either in no way.

01:21:41.417 --> 01:21:44.698
[UNKNOWN]: So we had this cutoff just for safety reasons.

01:21:45.759 --> 01:21:48.740
[UNKNOWN]: And yeah, so at 28 minutes left before, you know, sunset.

01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:50.600
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm in 5K.

01:21:51.180 --> 01:21:53.141
[UNKNOWN]: And I just said, fuck it.

01:21:54.475 --> 01:21:55.415
[UNKNOWN]: I said I was going to give.

01:21:55.475 --> 01:21:57.316
[UNKNOWN]: I said I was going to give 100% we're going.

01:21:57.836 --> 01:22:01.337
[UNKNOWN]: So I had poles because I just I had to take the body weight off.

01:22:01.897 --> 01:22:03.177
[UNKNOWN]: I knew the poles were going to slow me down.

01:22:03.257 --> 01:22:04.437
[UNKNOWN]: So I clicked them up.

01:22:05.438 --> 01:22:19.501
[UNKNOWN]: I just I just went full send ran as hard as I could and my crew like they'd stop every mile or mile and a half and like give me water and I just blasted past the van and they're like what the and then followed me and I just put my hand out the hand of me the water.

01:22:19.561 --> 01:22:19.941
[UNKNOWN]: I drank it

01:22:24.602 --> 01:22:25.183
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not stopping.

01:22:25.584 --> 01:22:26.485
[UNKNOWN]: I have 28 minutes.

01:22:27.546 --> 01:22:28.167
[UNKNOWN]: I'm hitting this.

01:22:28.527 --> 01:22:31.891
[UNKNOWN]: I told myself, we're doing this in the 13 hour limit.

01:22:33.113 --> 01:22:34.014
[UNKNOWN]: You're not stopping.

01:22:34.955 --> 01:22:39.921
[UNKNOWN]: And so I just kept going and I kept going and ended up being 24 minutes.

01:22:42.295 --> 01:22:42.895
[UNKNOWN]: 24 minutes.

01:22:43.056 --> 01:22:46.258
[UNKNOWN]: It was absolute burner at 280 miles in.

01:22:46.858 --> 01:22:52.421
[UNKNOWN]: And we just, you know, you see in the documentary and I've posted about it a couple times on social media, it was silent.

01:22:53.342 --> 01:22:54.743
[UNKNOWN]: You just hear my camera man in the video.

01:22:54.763 --> 01:23:02.328
[UNKNOWN]: You're from my camera man, because my camera and chase me for like a half mile, but he like was struggling to keep up because I was, you guys know,

01:23:03.188 --> 01:23:28.019
[UNKNOWN]: He's guys and they all like they know from the thousand miles like I don't they're just this switch flipped and I just stood there and just stared off into the sunset and know the road and just like holy They just soaked it in of what and I just it was another one of those moments in life It's like again They're so much in the tank always All and I was like all right, we're gonna finish this shit

01:23:29.219 --> 01:23:30.520
[UNKNOWN]: There's nothing mixed and stop me.

01:23:31.380 --> 01:23:37.124
[UNKNOWN]: If I can do this and there's nothing mixed and stop me and we just kind of all We drove home drove home.

01:23:37.144 --> 01:23:41.987
[UNKNOWN]: We drove to the campsite and silence just in event because we all were just like holy shit What just happened?

01:23:42.687 --> 01:23:43.148
[UNKNOWN]: It was epic.

01:23:43.348 --> 01:23:46.069
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, the documentary is great

01:23:47.510 --> 01:23:50.552
[UNKNOWN]: And it's probably like, it's probably like 45 minutes longer.

01:23:50.592 --> 01:23:52.133
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's 53 years.

01:23:52.333 --> 01:23:55.254
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not like a, not like a two hour documentary.

01:23:55.614 --> 01:23:57.735
[UNKNOWN]: But it's, it's bad ass, man.

01:23:58.216 --> 01:24:15.045
[UNKNOWN]: I was watching it again, you know, I've, I've done things that have required a lot of physical exertion before, and I remember just going, oh yeah, here it is again, here it is again, here it is again, here it is again, yeah, over and over again, until you get it done with the fastest known time.

01:24:16.005 --> 01:24:16.985
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it did get broken.

01:24:17.646 --> 01:24:18.546
[UNKNOWN]: I did get one of your buddies, right?

01:24:18.566 --> 01:24:21.407
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, my buddy Adam Burnt shout out.

01:24:21.547 --> 01:24:26.889
[UNKNOWN]: He, Adam and I are really good friends now and I, you know, I helped him with his run.

01:24:27.429 --> 01:24:29.530
[UNKNOWN]: Records are running to me broken and I wanted to help him break.

01:24:29.550 --> 01:24:30.370
[UNKNOWN]: How much did he beat it by?

01:24:30.991 --> 01:24:32.511
[UNKNOWN]: Um, what is that?

01:24:32.531 --> 01:24:33.371
[UNKNOWN]: Now where's 11 hours?

01:24:33.472 --> 01:24:33.792
[UNKNOWN]: Barely.

01:24:34.332 --> 01:24:34.632
[UNKNOWN]: Barely.

01:24:34.832 --> 01:24:35.632
[UNKNOWN]: It was a close one.

01:24:35.853 --> 01:24:39.174
[UNKNOWN]: I think if I had run it a day faster, I still think he would have broke it.

01:24:39.214 --> 01:24:41.095
[UNKNOWN]: I think he had it's gas in the tan number.

01:24:41.536 --> 01:24:43.797
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, he was like, I just have to do this and I'll break it.

01:24:43.917 --> 01:24:47.699
[UNKNOWN]: And I think if I think he had more gas in the tank, I think he could have done it a little bit faster.

01:24:48.499 --> 01:24:54.703
[UNKNOWN]: But it was that mind that you can very much set those limitations on your mind and like your mind will stop you.

01:24:54.763 --> 01:24:55.443
[UNKNOWN]: It's pretty crazy.

01:24:55.823 --> 01:25:00.346
[UNKNOWN]: What did you mention that during that run, you kind of figured out you didn't want to run across America.

01:25:00.586 --> 01:25:10.315
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was just the logistics of I don't I just it's their tough man the logistics of these runs are tough You're you're it's it's no joke.

01:25:10.855 --> 01:25:18.302
[UNKNOWN]: There's planted like planting a route knowing where the campsites are Running across America you got to know where laundromats are you got to know grocery stores are

01:25:18.862 --> 01:25:32.132
[UNKNOWN]: You have to know how to refuel restock all of this the whole way across America, not just a state, we're talking in 13 states, you know, and it's places I've never been before and for the most part, some of the middle of nowhere for 90% of the run.

01:25:32.792 --> 01:25:35.894
[UNKNOWN]: You cross through a couple of cities and you try to avoid the cities because of traffic.

01:25:36.675 --> 01:25:41.158
[UNKNOWN]: And so you've got to under the logistics of it are just such a nightmare.

01:25:41.178 --> 01:25:42.179
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to do that.

01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:44.440
[UNKNOWN]: If someone was like, hey, I got the logistics.

01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:47.601
[UNKNOWN]: If someone, this is where I'm at now.

01:25:47.661 --> 01:25:50.822
[UNKNOWN]: Now that I've done what I've done, I don't want to be away from my wife that long.

01:25:51.462 --> 01:25:54.423
[UNKNOWN]: The thousand miles was long.

01:25:54.743 --> 01:25:55.704
[UNKNOWN]: And I was home.

01:25:56.444 --> 01:25:57.985
[UNKNOWN]: I was just 20 minutes up the road.

01:25:58.705 --> 01:26:00.325
[UNKNOWN]: And I only sell my wife three times.

01:26:00.746 --> 01:26:01.706
[UNKNOWN]: And it was very difficult.

01:26:02.686 --> 01:26:04.147
[UNKNOWN]: So there's that.

01:26:04.767 --> 01:26:05.748
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to be away from my wife.

01:26:05.768 --> 01:26:12.171
[UNKNOWN]: Some of them would have to pay me a pretty significant amount of money and The logistics would need to be what I would basically do.

01:26:12.191 --> 01:26:16.814
[UNKNOWN]: There's a buddy of mine in the name is Rob Crouchy for ob is like his his thing.

01:26:16.834 --> 01:26:18.235
[UNKNOWN]: He's done a couple around the cross-America.

01:26:18.355 --> 01:26:26.540
[UNKNOWN]: You know the relay Do you guys I don't know if you guys any of you have seen the relay across America that's happening right now Why it moss is another influencer another running influencer

01:26:27.080 --> 01:26:32.883
[UNKNOWN]: He put together this relay to celebrate 250 years.

01:26:32.943 --> 01:26:43.527
[UNKNOWN]: It's around across America and there's like a thousand people across like the entire country where people have signed up for segments and Rob is doing the crew chief for this whole thing.

01:26:44.067 --> 01:26:45.348
[UNKNOWN]: So I would essentially pay Rob.

01:26:46.068 --> 01:26:49.331
[UNKNOWN]: to do it for me, and then again, some of you need to pay me.

01:26:49.351 --> 01:26:59.001
[UNKNOWN]: That's the only way I'm going to do it, I would need to get paid, so my wife could be there, not need to work, and then I would do it.

01:26:59.161 --> 01:27:01.403
[UNKNOWN]: Did you enjoy the running part of it?

01:27:03.465 --> 01:27:07.970
[UNKNOWN]: Or at a certain point of view, like, hey, I can't feel my legs, and I don't think this is healthy.

01:27:09.014 --> 01:27:16.019
[UNKNOWN]: And when you're doing it, when you set the goal to do these things, you understand what you're going to get into.

01:27:16.759 --> 01:27:24.124
[UNKNOWN]: You understand there's, you know, and we can talk about it now, but like when I was, when I was getting ready for the thousand miles,

01:27:24.924 --> 01:27:35.516
[UNKNOWN]: My mindset, I would sit down, and I would manifest, I would do manifestation in visualization, and I would visualize myself running in circles and crossing the finish line, and I would manifest success.

01:27:35.657 --> 01:27:40.222
[UNKNOWN]: But part of that manifestation, I would repeat to myself, nothing will stop you.

01:27:41.323 --> 01:27:46.266
[UNKNOWN]: If this is the last thing you do, this is the last thing you do, permanent injury will not be the reason that you quit.

01:27:47.086 --> 01:27:53.870
[UNKNOWN]: I would repeat that to myself, because I knew that it was my only out, was going to be the thought of, well, this is doing permanent damage.

01:27:53.890 --> 01:27:54.831
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do this to myself.

01:27:55.731 --> 01:27:59.373
[UNKNOWN]: So I knew that I had to tell myself, on repeat, if this is the last thing I do, this is the last thing I do.

01:27:59.954 --> 01:28:01.815
[UNKNOWN]: And you kind of have to have that mindset with this type of stuff.

01:28:02.815 --> 01:28:12.900
[UNKNOWN]: So, because any little discomfort can be in your mind, manufactured into permanently disabling yourself.

01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.200
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:28:13.540 --> 01:28:15.141
[UNKNOWN]: And there's obviously a chance that you really could.

01:28:15.221 --> 01:28:16.041
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, exactly.

01:28:16.101 --> 01:28:17.962
[UNKNOWN]: And so, you kind of have to have that mindset.

01:28:18.682 --> 01:28:28.690
[UNKNOWN]: So there's yeah, there's a couple of things in it with that, but it's again the run across America It would basically need to be almost hand just because it's the logistics the running.

01:28:28.910 --> 01:28:30.792
[UNKNOWN]: I'll do it I'll do the running.

01:28:31.492 --> 01:28:32.373
[UNKNOWN]: It's the logistics.

01:28:32.613 --> 01:28:39.018
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's such a nightmare Planting I mean the thousand miles do I even have a track until the Friday before

01:28:40.299 --> 01:28:43.562
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's so hard to find a track to do this on it.

01:28:43.582 --> 01:28:51.828
[UNKNOWN]: It's just these logistics are a nightmare When it comes to doing this stuff and so it's just something that's like I love doing hard things But I am done planning logistics for these runs.

01:28:51.868 --> 01:29:05.418
[UNKNOWN]: They take so much of my time and energy So then what point did you decide you're gonna do the thousand miles and why the thousand miles around the track so Running across Utah I realize I don't want to run across America

01:29:06.570 --> 01:29:08.052
[UNKNOWN]: And so I didn't know what I was going to do next.

01:29:09.094 --> 01:29:12.919
[UNKNOWN]: Trying to figure it out, trying to figure out just what's next.

01:29:13.480 --> 01:29:14.601
[UNKNOWN]: What's the next big thing I'm going to do?

01:29:15.162 --> 01:29:17.065
[UNKNOWN]: And I actually was planning a run across the UK.

01:29:17.085 --> 01:29:18.527
[UNKNOWN]: John Agroots to Lansend, 1100 miles.

01:29:20.395 --> 01:29:21.115
[UNKNOWN]: I had it already to go.

01:29:21.135 --> 01:29:21.916
[UNKNOWN]: I had the route.

01:29:22.516 --> 01:29:40.888
[UNKNOWN]: I was ready to go, you know, I was kind of thinking like, oh, I have an opportunity to explore the world a little bit with this and we go around across Italy, we're going across the UK, like the shorter distances, my wife gets to go to Italy, my wife gets to travel the world with me, you know, she gets to explore the world while I get to run.

01:29:41.168 --> 01:29:42.829
[UNKNOWN]: It's like, what a life, you know.

01:29:43.970 --> 01:29:45.631
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm planning a friend of mine.

01:29:45.911 --> 01:29:46.552
[UNKNOWN]: I can run 1100 miles.

01:29:48.565 --> 01:29:51.170
[UNKNOWN]: I can run across the UK, I can run 45 miles a day.

01:29:53.358 --> 01:29:57.419
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I did 42 growing across Utah and my training was a mess for that run.

01:29:57.439 --> 01:29:59.140
[UNKNOWN]: I was super injured going through training.

01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:00.900
[UNKNOWN]: I had to swim for a month.

01:30:01.921 --> 01:30:05.622
[UNKNOWN]: I swam to train to run across Utah, like that's ridiculous.

01:30:05.662 --> 01:30:09.223
[UNKNOWN]: So like, there's those things that I knew I could have run.

01:30:09.283 --> 01:30:12.324
[UNKNOWN]: And there's limitations because of parliament and different things running across the UK.

01:30:12.344 --> 01:30:14.785
[UNKNOWN]: So there's some legal things.

01:30:14.805 --> 01:30:16.025
[UNKNOWN]: I just didn't want to jump to those whoop.

01:30:16.045 --> 01:30:17.906
[UNKNOWN]: So I was just like, you know, it was my 45 miles a day.

01:30:19.106 --> 01:30:21.627
[UNKNOWN]: And I was like, I can do that.

01:30:22.883 --> 01:30:27.484
[UNKNOWN]: I want to do something I can't do, because I want to, I want something that I can fail.

01:30:28.484 --> 01:30:32.345
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want something, because again, I don't want something I know I can do, that's not the point.

01:30:32.565 --> 01:30:39.847
[UNKNOWN]: I want something that, when I set out for this, there's the very realistic possibility that I never crossed the finish line.

01:30:40.867 --> 01:30:43.347
[UNKNOWN]: And so that was, I was like, well, I want to run 1000 miles.

01:30:44.688 --> 01:30:47.008
[UNKNOWN]: And so I was like, a track.

01:30:48.772 --> 01:30:50.373
[UNKNOWN]: who in the right mind would do that shit.

01:30:51.353 --> 01:30:54.395
[UNKNOWN]: Sure enough, there's only been two other people who were dumb enough to do it.

01:30:55.555 --> 01:31:05.940
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, to get two other people who didn't almost died, and Ned Brockman's, even I was messaging him, like he's a dog, but he was not okay.

01:31:06.340 --> 01:31:09.062
[UNKNOWN]: He's still, to this day, says he still has problems.

01:31:10.142 --> 01:31:13.544
[UNKNOWN]: And so, but I don't know why I just, I wanted that.

01:31:14.424 --> 01:31:18.786
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to prove that I can accomplish a pot, not myself.

01:31:19.046 --> 01:31:23.108
[UNKNOWN]: I wanted to prove to others that you can accomplish impossible things.

01:31:23.848 --> 01:31:24.689
[UNKNOWN]: It's all here.

01:31:24.989 --> 01:31:25.889
[UNKNOWN]: It's all in your head.

01:31:26.529 --> 01:31:30.831
[UNKNOWN]: It's all something that you, if you set those limitations, then you're not going to get there.

01:31:31.892 --> 01:31:35.433
[UNKNOWN]: And you can truly accomplish things that are genuinely impossible.

01:31:36.254 --> 01:31:41.476
[UNKNOWN]: And that's, again, that's why I picked it because I wanted to do something that I would fail.

01:31:41.556 --> 01:31:42.597
[UNKNOWN]: I would have to dedicate.

01:31:43.937 --> 01:31:51.961
[UNKNOWN]: It's so much time and energy and effort and a whole piece of myself towards something that might amount to nothing.

01:31:53.021 --> 01:32:08.508
[UNKNOWN]: How much when you're looking at doing a thousand miles if I said to you, all right, I want you to do a thousand miles But I want you to do it in a really healthy way and I don't care really how long it takes What could you would you run like 18 miles a day 20 miles a day 22 miles a day?

01:32:10.601 --> 01:32:15.247
[UNKNOWN]: And what drives you to say, hey, I gotta do it, you know, you end up doing it in what 18 days.

01:32:16.629 --> 01:32:23.518
[UNKNOWN]: What is the goal, what is the bar set at that you say, hey, I'm gonna do whatever 45 miles a day.

01:32:23.979 --> 01:32:24.800
[UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna give it 100%.

01:32:26.859 --> 01:32:27.981
[UNKNOWN]: So that's like max.

01:32:28.141 --> 01:32:29.302
[UNKNOWN]: That's like in the red.

01:32:29.683 --> 01:32:32.046
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're 45 miles a day is in the red.

01:32:32.066 --> 01:32:34.369
[UNKNOWN]: So I was doing 50, I was doing 54 a day out there.

01:32:34.429 --> 01:32:36.292
[UNKNOWN]: 54 a day is that's in the red.

01:32:36.332 --> 01:32:37.293
[UNKNOWN]: That's pretty much.

01:32:37.333 --> 01:32:40.858
[UNKNOWN]: And it was, I could, this is, this was something it was really interesting about this.

01:32:40.878 --> 01:32:41.639
[UNKNOWN]: Remember, take yours.

01:32:41.859 --> 01:32:43.401
[UNKNOWN]: I actually, my original goal was 66 a day.

01:32:44.823 --> 01:32:58.383
[UNKNOWN]: I actually think I could have done it, but I had some pretty severe nerve damage really early on that physically prevented me from moving fast enough and maybe it was something maybe it was a learn something I needed to learn.

01:32:58.403 --> 01:32:59.465
[UNKNOWN]: I don't maybe I could have.

01:33:00.105 --> 01:33:02.647
[UNKNOWN]: You never know, but for me this was my max effort.

01:33:02.867 --> 01:33:03.727
[UNKNOWN]: That was my max effort.

01:33:03.747 --> 01:33:04.748
[UNKNOWN]: It was that 54-day.

01:33:05.468 --> 01:33:06.589
[UNKNOWN]: And so that was the whole point.

01:33:07.249 --> 01:33:09.490
[UNKNOWN]: We're going max effort.

01:33:09.510 --> 01:33:10.191
[UNKNOWN]: We're going all out.

01:33:11.091 --> 01:33:13.852
[UNKNOWN]: It wasn't like, I'm not here to push the foot around.

01:33:14.793 --> 01:33:16.274
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not here to go through the motions.

01:33:16.314 --> 01:33:23.778
[UNKNOWN]: I'm here to do something that is feels and sounds and is impossible.

01:33:24.558 --> 01:33:29.462
[UNKNOWN]: to not just represent single parents and their choice to not get to quit every day.

01:33:30.323 --> 01:33:35.127
[UNKNOWN]: And when I wake up in the morning and I'm in agonizing, excruciating pain.

01:33:35.808 --> 01:33:36.328
[UNKNOWN]: So were they.

01:33:37.589 --> 01:33:40.112
[UNKNOWN]: So I still get, I still got to get up and I got to run my miles.

01:33:40.852 --> 01:33:45.555
[UNKNOWN]: And so, and then also just again, it's that factor of how far can I actually push?

01:33:46.375 --> 01:33:48.196
[UNKNOWN]: Because again, I know I can run 20 miles a day.

01:33:48.576 --> 01:33:49.657
[UNKNOWN]: I know I can run a marathon a day.

01:33:49.677 --> 01:33:51.018
[UNKNOWN]: I know I can run 45 miles a day.

01:33:52.239 --> 01:33:54.780
[UNKNOWN]: How, and I know I can run through a beautiful country.

01:33:56.169 --> 01:33:57.870
[UNKNOWN]: But what about running in a circle?

01:34:00.831 --> 01:34:10.754
[UNKNOWN]: I had, I mean, the mountains were beautiful, you know, right there against the track and there's a beautiful track, but I also saw the same thing, 4,000 times or whatever it was, like late, good old lane eight.

01:34:11.054 --> 01:34:13.575
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it was just a little less than 4,000 because it was late eight, but...

01:34:14.575 --> 01:34:16.756
[UNKNOWN]: when you're prepping how many miles a week we're doing in prep.

01:34:17.076 --> 01:34:19.837
[UNKNOWN]: So my training is a little bit different because of how much I weigh.

01:34:20.257 --> 01:34:24.599
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not Mad Johnson, I'm not these guys who were, you know, about 40, about 50.

01:34:25.519 --> 01:34:27.540
[UNKNOWN]: I can't run 130, 140 miles a week.

01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:31.342
[UNKNOWN]: So I did, I did a hundred miles a week and then the rest were 70s and 80s.

01:34:32.242 --> 01:34:41.586
[UNKNOWN]: And then a lot of, you know, lifting, building durability versus volume was my approach because I understood if I go for the volume and training,

01:34:44.467 --> 01:34:49.670
[UNKNOWN]: So we're going to focus on building durability so that I can then put on volume in the actual room.

01:34:50.151 --> 01:34:50.771
[UNKNOWN]: That was your approach.

01:34:50.911 --> 01:34:52.852
[UNKNOWN]: Have you ever seen there's a show on TV?

01:34:53.132 --> 01:34:54.753
[UNKNOWN]: I think it's called Alone.

01:34:55.854 --> 01:35:00.157
[UNKNOWN]: And it's people that go out, they get dropped off alone in the wilderness and they just have to survive.

01:35:00.397 --> 01:35:01.257
[UNKNOWN]: Have you ever seen that?

01:35:01.297 --> 01:35:02.038
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

01:35:02.458 --> 01:35:08.522
[UNKNOWN]: Well one of the things that's happened in this program is like people just try and bulk up with fat.

01:35:09.062 --> 01:35:26.787
[UNKNOWN]: they try and get as fat as they can because essentially what the contest becomes in many cases just a star vision contest and so you're just like you're you just much as you can you get out there you're not really preparing for what you're going to do out there you're just getting as fat as you possibly can.

01:35:27.727 --> 01:35:37.513
[UNKNOWN]: So it seems like for you being 200 plus pounds in preparation you can't break yourself before you enter the race exactly.

01:35:37.533 --> 01:35:44.838
[UNKNOWN]: You kind of are doing like you know it's going to you know everyday is going to cause wear and tear that's eventually going to stop you from running.

01:35:44.958 --> 01:35:46.419
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean eventually you're gonna get there.

01:35:46.759 --> 01:35:52.583
[UNKNOWN]: So you have to try and enter this thing with as much condition as possible, but also as healthy as you possibly can.

01:35:52.803 --> 01:35:53.044
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

01:35:53.464 --> 01:35:56.206
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was a huge approach and it was it was actually interests.

01:35:56.226 --> 01:35:58.908
[UNKNOWN]: I actually try and put on weight is what I try and do for these runs.

01:36:00.008 --> 01:36:00.228
[UNKNOWN]: I did.

01:36:00.589 --> 01:36:02.890
[UNKNOWN]: I got to give a huge shout up to muscle drive right now.

01:36:03.291 --> 01:36:03.911
[UNKNOWN]: That does it.

01:36:04.151 --> 01:36:06.973
[UNKNOWN]: Sponsored, but not sponsored, but like kind of sponsored.

01:36:06.993 --> 01:36:09.175
[UNKNOWN]: Do you have a fuel muscle drive?

01:36:09.195 --> 01:36:10.576
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, just a fuel muscle drive.

01:36:11.076 --> 01:36:14.779
[UNKNOWN]: I, so I did 10 grams of creatine and muscle drive in the two scoops.

01:36:14.959 --> 01:36:16.180
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, every day.

01:36:17.101 --> 01:36:22.285
[UNKNOWN]: I during this training block, I gained about five pounds.

01:36:22.465 --> 01:36:22.846
[UNKNOWN]: That's all.

01:36:22.886 --> 01:36:24.927
[UNKNOWN]: But I lost the 3% body fat.

01:36:25.288 --> 01:36:26.308
[UNKNOWN]: That's muscle drive all day.

01:36:26.749 --> 01:36:30.852
[UNKNOWN]: It was on, and I'm running, I ran 1200 miles in five and a half months.

01:36:31.332 --> 01:36:31.973
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's sick.

01:36:32.173 --> 01:36:34.335
[UNKNOWN]: And I put on a couple pounds of muscle.

01:36:34.775 --> 01:36:46.784
[UNKNOWN]: The muscle drive has been, you know, we designed it for a with fighters in mind that are cutting weight Also, there's a lot of people right now that are taking What are those drugs called GOP ones jail time one no GOP one is that a peptide?

01:36:46.804 --> 01:36:47.745
[UNKNOWN]: The GOP is peptide.

01:36:47.845 --> 01:36:50.467
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, that stuff that's making people skinny, right?

01:36:50.808 --> 01:36:54.951
[UNKNOWN]: But it also when they get skinny, they're losing a lot of muscle mass which is obviously horrible.

01:36:54.991 --> 01:36:59.875
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so that in mind and and now like someone like you who's trying to maintain

01:37:00.475 --> 01:37:20.463
[UNKNOWN]: They're muscle mass as they're doing something, you know, this is the same thing with like fasting actually one of the One of the names that was proposed for muscle drive was muscle fast and I actually liked that more, but But anyways because it because a lot of people myself included like I fast sometimes and when you fast it

01:37:21.283 --> 01:37:27.646
[UNKNOWN]: You're going to eventually, you know, after a day or two, you're going to start losing some muscle mass, but if that's really protective, that's what we designed it for.

01:37:27.706 --> 01:37:28.667
[UNKNOWN]: So don't you have Genesis?

01:37:28.687 --> 01:37:28.887
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

01:37:28.927 --> 01:37:32.449
[UNKNOWN]: So fancy term for muscle converted to glucose.

01:37:32.489 --> 01:37:33.689
[UNKNOWN]: We like that.

01:37:33.709 --> 01:37:35.990
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we don't like that, but we like those signs.

01:37:36.010 --> 01:37:36.651
[UNKNOWN]: They like terms.

01:37:37.611 --> 01:37:38.612
[UNKNOWN]: And just the stress.

01:37:38.832 --> 01:37:49.137
[UNKNOWN]: Like when you're putting the muscle under that much stress, you know, we talked about this, the H&B and the muscle drive and everything, you know, how that, you know, is just great for preserving that muscle when you're just demanding so much from it.

01:37:49.533 --> 01:37:51.614
[UNKNOWN]: got to have the dilucing to 100% yeah.

01:37:52.415 --> 01:38:00.419
[UNKNOWN]: So you're actually gaining weight and you're trying to condition yourself and be as healthy as possible going into it.

01:38:00.479 --> 01:38:00.679
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:03.000
[UNKNOWN]: So you said 70 miles weeks.

01:38:03.441 --> 01:38:05.362
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, 70, 80 kind of jump back and forth.

01:38:05.382 --> 01:38:12.706
[UNKNOWN]: I had one little blip of an injury, very normal in these things where I dropped off, but I just went right back up.

01:38:13.046 --> 01:38:13.726
[UNKNOWN]: It was a week off.

01:38:13.806 --> 01:38:14.027
[UNKNOWN]: I was

01:38:15.027 --> 01:38:16.608
[UNKNOWN]: You know, I've trained a lot of due to my life.

01:38:16.769 --> 01:38:19.671
[UNKNOWN]: I don't think I've ever been born nervous, training due to it with someone.

01:38:19.771 --> 01:38:23.734
[UNKNOWN]: Then I was when I trained with you because I, you know, here you are.

01:38:23.795 --> 01:38:29.019
[UNKNOWN]: You are, I don't know, a few weeks away from starting the, the thousand miles.

01:38:29.940 --> 01:38:32.882
[UNKNOWN]: And these guys are like, oh, we're going to bring, you know, we're going to Mason in.

01:38:32.902 --> 01:38:34.283
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to, you know, he's running the thousand miles.

01:38:34.303 --> 01:38:34.944
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, oh, yeah, I know.

01:38:34.964 --> 01:38:36.926
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I want to train you to with him.

01:38:37.046 --> 01:38:40.669
[UNKNOWN]: And I go, you know, and I figured we'll talk through some moves.

01:38:40.729 --> 01:38:41.890
[UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I'll show you a couple moves.

01:38:42.391 --> 01:38:52.833
[UNKNOWN]: And of course, Carrie's like, hey, he's trying to be all cool, but he's, he's always using the, the leadership techniques from echelon front one of the one of which is the indirect approach and he's all like,

01:38:53.270 --> 01:39:15.854
[UNKNOWN]: Hey, you know, you think you might want to, you know, just get up, you know, just couple of maybe get a couple of live rounds and I was kind of like, not really, but also on some moves is like, hey, you know, look, look really good if you did the, you know, just went live a couple times and the whole time I'm thinking, bro, like, all I need to do is just some weird movement or you do some weird movement and you hurt your ankle hurt your knee, hurt whatever, and I'm going to be feel so bad.

01:39:15.874 --> 01:39:19.055
[UNKNOWN]: So I was so nervous, but I did do it because Carrie's like,

01:39:19.440 --> 01:39:23.382
[UNKNOWN]: You know, it really would look good, you know what we want to see people, and I'm like, okay fine.

01:39:23.582 --> 01:39:26.303
[UNKNOWN]: So that's zero regard for Mason's.

01:39:26.763 --> 01:39:27.683
[UNKNOWN]: I was so free.

01:39:27.803 --> 01:39:29.044
[UNKNOWN]: I knew I was going to be fine.

01:39:29.144 --> 01:39:30.845
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I knew I was going to be fine.

01:39:31.945 --> 01:39:33.026
[UNKNOWN]: I know I'm a durable guy.

01:39:33.046 --> 01:39:34.306
[UNKNOWN]: 100% that wrestling.

01:39:34.346 --> 01:39:36.487
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not built like you, but I'm a durable guy.

01:39:36.767 --> 01:39:39.088
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he gosh, all it takes is one moment.

01:39:39.148 --> 01:39:39.588
[UNKNOWN]: It's true.

01:39:39.648 --> 01:39:40.348
[UNKNOWN]: Lip and the thumbs up.

01:39:40.368 --> 01:39:42.368
[UNKNOWN]: The thumbs up and the thumbs up are only so strong.

01:39:42.528 --> 01:39:44.129
[UNKNOWN]: I was nervous, but did I have fun with that?

01:39:44.149 --> 01:39:44.629
[UNKNOWN]: That was a lot of fun.

01:39:44.649 --> 01:39:49.650
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was definitely fun and good times, but I mean, I'm glad that you didn't get hurt.

01:39:50.070 --> 01:39:56.972
[UNKNOWN]: You take my ass, but I mean, I trained you just as we didn't, you know, if we did a running contest, I don't think I would fair too well in that.

01:39:57.672 --> 01:40:02.873
[UNKNOWN]: And we did talk about, you know, focusing on, you know, hey, sometimes you focus on the long term.

01:40:03.513 --> 01:40:04.853
[UNKNOWN]: And sometimes you get a focus on what's right.

01:40:04.893 --> 01:40:11.455
[UNKNOWN]: I have talked about front sight focus with not just during the run, but with so many people now.

01:40:11.615 --> 01:40:12.215
[UNKNOWN]: I use that.

01:40:12.315 --> 01:40:31.460
[UNKNOWN]: I'm like, one time I sit down with Jaco and we talk about front sight focus and fret and I love that analogy of sometimes that object in the distance gets blurry and you have to focus on your front sight and then when that gets blurry, you're going to focus back in the distance and it's, oh, I love and it was so helpful in these thousand miles because it's true.

01:40:31.980 --> 01:40:35.261
[UNKNOWN]: I was talking with these guys earlier, you know, what did feel like after that first lap?

01:40:35.881 --> 01:40:37.102
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I wasn't worried about the thousand.

01:40:37.662 --> 01:40:38.743
[UNKNOWN]: I was worried about the next lap.

01:40:38.963 --> 01:40:50.587
[UNKNOWN]: I was worried about getting to the first marathon I was worried about finishing the first day like it was that's what it was It was you know, and then sometimes you do have to think about the thousand and it eats that back and forth I was thinking about that the whole time it helped that

01:40:51.750 --> 01:40:52.170
[UNKNOWN]: Huge.

01:40:52.471 --> 01:40:53.992
[UNKNOWN]: Well, that's good to huge.

01:40:54.513 --> 01:40:55.674
[UNKNOWN]: Good to hear life change.

01:40:56.454 --> 01:41:00.438
[UNKNOWN]: And you got the new speaking of chocolate feel got the new endurance product that we got coming.

01:41:01.079 --> 01:41:02.740
[UNKNOWN]: We got you the advanced copy.

01:41:03.881 --> 01:41:06.344
[UNKNOWN]: And I love to get to see a great black bags.

01:41:06.404 --> 01:41:12.449
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, as soon as you look at the ingredients, because you're a nutrition scientist and all that you were like, oh, this freaking good to go.

01:41:12.530 --> 01:41:12.750
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:41:12.870 --> 01:41:14.331
[UNKNOWN]: So super stoked at that.

01:41:14.371 --> 01:41:15.132
[UNKNOWN]: Well, and that will.

01:41:15.252 --> 01:41:16.552
[UNKNOWN]: It really helped.

01:41:16.592 --> 01:41:21.594
[UNKNOWN]: I had some digestive issues that just it because of day one, you know, it's 100 degrees.

01:41:22.814 --> 01:41:30.797
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't keep train because it was just winter and I was able to, I had some very severe muscle.

01:41:30.817 --> 01:41:32.317
[UNKNOWN]: I had some very severe stomach problems.

01:41:32.937 --> 01:41:34.678
[UNKNOWN]: And so I actually, on day two,

01:41:35.378 --> 01:41:54.618
[UNKNOWN]: had to completely overhaul my nutrition strategy that I had been training because you have to train your nutrition you don't just train you don't just train for the one thing you train your nutrition as well as the running and so I spent months training my nutrition and it's like oh day one out the window so I had to completely overhaul

01:41:56.123 --> 01:41:58.286
[UNKNOWN]: overnight of what we're going to do and I had a chef.

01:41:59.367 --> 01:42:00.228
[UNKNOWN]: This guy was amazing.

01:42:00.248 --> 01:42:02.070
[UNKNOWN]: They came and cooked all my meals for me.

01:42:02.851 --> 01:42:07.417
[UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm like, hey, we need to, you know, so I'm a snacker when I run.

01:42:07.517 --> 01:42:09.079
[UNKNOWN]: I like to eat throughout the day.

01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:13.023
[UNKNOWN]: And I go, okay, we're going to do big meals six times a day.

01:42:14.210 --> 01:42:15.771
[UNKNOWN]: Six meals a day or six to eight.

01:42:15.891 --> 01:42:17.333
[UNKNOWN]: How many calories are you taking it a day?

01:42:17.733 --> 01:42:18.213
[UNKNOWN]: 10 to 15,000.

01:42:18.273 --> 01:42:20.555
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was a lot.

01:42:20.595 --> 01:42:22.857
[UNKNOWN]: The first day, I was in a 7,500 calorie deficit.

01:42:24.038 --> 01:42:26.680
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was really rough.

01:42:26.860 --> 01:42:27.401
[UNKNOWN]: I was in a hole.

01:42:27.601 --> 01:42:31.964
[UNKNOWN]: And so I was like, I know I've got to fix this because if we go another day like this, I'm screwed.

01:42:32.165 --> 01:42:32.505
[UNKNOWN]: It's over.

01:42:33.165 --> 01:42:40.792
[UNKNOWN]: You can, there are, you can do impossible things, but you can also very much your body can just say no.

01:42:41.212 --> 01:42:44.093
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's there's impossible things and then there's the laws of physics.

01:42:44.153 --> 01:42:44.393
[UNKNOWN]: Yes.

01:42:44.693 --> 01:42:51.575
[UNKNOWN]: And then this is kind of you ever hear me say this like, hey, you can't break the laws of physics, whatever we're talking about is not possible.

01:42:51.635 --> 01:42:51.855
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:42:51.915 --> 01:42:56.517
[UNKNOWN]: Like, and you, I mean, if you're going to, you can't break the laws of physics, you can't do it.

01:42:56.577 --> 01:42:56.757
[UNKNOWN]: No.

01:42:56.877 --> 01:42:59.838
[UNKNOWN]: You can do all kinds of human beings can do all kinds of things.

01:43:00.538 --> 01:43:16.193
[UNKNOWN]: Except for change the laws of physics exactly so yeah, but I so I had to complete the overall my nutrition strategy I'm still just constantly having stomach issues and you know, I had a limited supply of this stuff It was you know, we were just like doing some testing on it and flavor and different things and

01:43:16.673 --> 01:43:18.975
[UNKNOWN]: But it ended up becoming for a couple of those days.

01:43:19.075 --> 01:43:22.358
[UNKNOWN]: It actually became a huge part of it helped.

01:43:22.659 --> 01:43:26.102
[UNKNOWN]: It helped me a ton reset my stomach because it just, you know, I got the carbs.

01:43:26.742 --> 01:43:27.603
[UNKNOWN]: I got the electrolytes.

01:43:27.743 --> 01:43:32.948
[UNKNOWN]: I got when I needed it really, it was a, it was a game changer there for a couple of days.

01:43:32.968 --> 01:43:34.990
[UNKNOWN]: And then I saved, I saved one pack.

01:43:35.570 --> 01:43:43.695
[UNKNOWN]: So that I could have it towards the end, in case anything went wrong later on, because I only had a couple bags, but no, it was a game changer.

01:43:44.055 --> 01:43:47.778
[UNKNOWN]: And it gave in to games, having so many completely uncontrolled variables.

01:43:48.718 --> 01:43:50.039
[UNKNOWN]: Again, control your control levels.

01:43:50.840 --> 01:43:53.782
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes most of what's going to get thrown at you is going to be uncontrollable.

01:43:54.342 --> 01:43:55.503
[UNKNOWN]: And this was just one of those things.

01:43:56.103 --> 01:44:00.486
[UNKNOWN]: And so I took a few things that I can control, changing when I was doing and implementing little things like,

01:44:02.387 --> 01:44:06.472
[UNKNOWN]: Like this new product that's coming out and it's uh, yeah, it was, it was big.

01:44:06.852 --> 01:44:09.194
[UNKNOWN]: So what physically is happening to you?

01:44:09.234 --> 01:44:17.983
[UNKNOWN]: This is 18 days, 13 hours and 11 minutes and like you're, you're acquiring injuries as you go.

01:44:18.324 --> 01:44:19.745
[UNKNOWN]: I like the term acquiring, right?

01:44:19.765 --> 01:44:21.787
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're, you're acquiring injuries.

01:44:22.528 --> 01:44:31.316
[UNKNOWN]: And they're, because they're like I said, like little nagging pain, eventually becomes a legitimate pain, which eventually becomes an injury.

01:44:31.757 --> 01:44:33.398
[UNKNOWN]: And then that injury just escalates.

01:44:33.418 --> 01:44:37.042
[UNKNOWN]: So what were you dealing with as far as acquiring injuries as you did this?

01:44:37.382 --> 01:44:37.622
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:44:37.662 --> 01:44:40.645
[UNKNOWN]: So out of the gate, my shoes just failed.

01:44:40.963 --> 01:44:41.803
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what happened.

01:44:42.003 --> 01:44:43.323
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why my shoes failed.

01:44:43.924 --> 01:44:45.064
[UNKNOWN]: I've been running in these shoes for years.

01:44:45.444 --> 01:44:47.984
[UNKNOWN]: Not the same pair, obviously, but like the same style of shoe.

01:44:48.824 --> 01:44:52.005
[UNKNOWN]: And I don't say what shoe it is because they're a great company.

01:44:52.025 --> 01:44:52.785
[UNKNOWN]: They made great shoes.

01:44:53.625 --> 01:44:55.746
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want people to think they're bad shoes.

01:44:55.926 --> 01:44:57.246
[UNKNOWN]: It just was an unfortunate.

01:44:57.266 --> 01:44:59.046
[UNKNOWN]: I think I maybe got a bad pair for manufacturing.

01:44:59.146 --> 01:44:59.506
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.

01:45:00.246 --> 01:45:01.307
[UNKNOWN]: This is an extreme event.

01:45:02.147 --> 01:45:04.687
[UNKNOWN]: Not every, you know, you don't ever, you never know what's gonna happen.

01:45:05.907 --> 01:45:08.668
[UNKNOWN]: So I ended up destroying my feet on day one.

01:45:09.508 --> 01:45:11.390
[UNKNOWN]: and they do not, how many pairs of shoes did you have?

01:45:11.751 --> 01:45:14.714
[UNKNOWN]: I had, let's six pairs with me, but I had to scrap them all.

01:45:15.034 --> 01:45:15.595
[UNKNOWN]: They were all the same.

01:45:16.616 --> 01:45:18.678
[UNKNOWN]: And so day one, my shoes fail.

01:45:18.898 --> 01:45:19.979
[UNKNOWN]: How does this shoe fail?

01:45:20.400 --> 01:45:21.081
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know.

01:45:21.261 --> 01:45:21.942
[UNKNOWN]: Okay.

01:45:21.962 --> 01:45:29.570
[UNKNOWN]: Like, basically you're saying, like, blow out the... Yeah, so basically what, basically what it was, is it felt like the padding just disappeared.

01:45:30.010 --> 01:45:31.251
[UNKNOWN]: And I was just running on the ground.

01:45:31.952 --> 01:45:32.812
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know why it happened.

01:45:32.992 --> 01:45:33.793
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how it happened.

01:45:33.813 --> 01:45:35.133
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I got a bad pair.

01:45:36.294 --> 01:45:39.235
[UNKNOWN]: Either way, I did very severe nerve damage to my feet.

01:45:40.056 --> 01:45:41.416
[UNKNOWN]: Day one, day one.

01:45:42.096 --> 01:45:42.777
[UNKNOWN]: Yep, day one.

01:45:42.937 --> 01:45:45.078
[UNKNOWN]: And so I'm now trying to navigate this.

01:45:45.738 --> 01:45:47.599
[UNKNOWN]: I had another pair that was a little bit more cushioned.

01:45:47.619 --> 01:45:49.960
[UNKNOWN]: They were old, but I brought them just in case.

01:45:50.640 --> 01:45:51.541
[UNKNOWN]: It's like an emergency.

01:45:52.041 --> 01:45:53.581
[UNKNOWN]: Well, we had an emergency on day one.

01:45:53.601 --> 01:45:59.364
[UNKNOWN]: So day two, I put these shoes on and I'm just in so much pain, excruciating.

01:46:03.583 --> 01:46:05.965
[UNKNOWN]: Unless you've experienced it, that's the best way I can explain it.

01:46:06.545 --> 01:46:08.827
[UNKNOWN]: I had pain, so it's a trend with the issues.

01:46:09.187 --> 01:46:11.008
[UNKNOWN]: So these were, this was just a shocker.

01:46:11.289 --> 01:46:13.890
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it really, there's so much happened on day one.

01:46:14.711 --> 01:46:17.173
[UNKNOWN]: We had extreme heat that I couldn't train for.

01:46:17.693 --> 01:46:25.198
[UNKNOWN]: We had stomach issues because of the extreme heat, which you just deal with, but you know, now I'm in a 7500 calorie deficit.

01:46:26.099 --> 01:46:28.320
[UNKNOWN]: My shoes have failed on me that I've been training in for months.

01:46:28.640 --> 01:46:33.303
[UNKNOWN]: It felt like on day one everything was over So I'm just like what the hell?

01:46:33.883 --> 01:46:35.604
[UNKNOWN]: What the hell day one?

01:46:35.624 --> 01:46:37.725
[UNKNOWN]: One of my like what where do we go from here?

01:46:37.745 --> 01:46:38.305
[UNKNOWN]: What do we do?

01:46:38.545 --> 01:46:46.529
[UNKNOWN]: How do I navigate all of these variables at the exact you can't take one at a time you have to attack all of them at the exact same time?

01:46:47.670 --> 01:46:57.280
[UNKNOWN]: You know this, different type of attack, but you know this, you have to attack all of these things at the exact same time, you can't take a one by one or else everything else will fall apart.

01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:01.084
[UNKNOWN]: And so we're tackling all this at the same time, trying to figure out shoes.

01:47:02.005 --> 01:47:07.871
[UNKNOWN]: I get through, I might maybe maybe the shoes will work, maybe it's just like because you have weird pains that pop up.

01:47:08.611 --> 01:47:10.592
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm like, maybe it's just I just got to get the second day.

01:47:11.132 --> 01:47:11.672
[UNKNOWN]: So it's just deal.

01:47:11.752 --> 01:47:15.733
[UNKNOWN]: It's the use issues get through the second day The company that sent me the other shoes.

01:47:15.753 --> 01:47:17.093
[UNKNOWN]: They sent me more of the shoes.

01:47:17.153 --> 01:47:17.973
[UNKNOWN]: These cushions shoes.

01:47:18.513 --> 01:47:21.054
[UNKNOWN]: I can maybe these will work Day three a wake up.

01:47:21.174 --> 01:47:30.136
[UNKNOWN]: It's even worse than it was a day before and I'm in so much pain I'm crying a good chunk of the day and I just so the pain the nerve pain.

01:47:30.596 --> 01:47:35.297
[UNKNOWN]: I can't I've never in my life experienced pain this extreme

01:47:36.859 --> 01:47:39.920
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know how I can experience more pain to be completely honest.

01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:47.862
[UNKNOWN]: I feel like the next level is like near death, pretty much, or death, which I guess there's no pain on that.

01:47:47.882 --> 01:48:02.087
[UNKNOWN]: But like, like, there's really, I don't know how you could genuine the experience more than it was, it was pain so extreme that pain in my feet was radiating into other parts of my body, like from like nerve sensations.

01:48:03.467 --> 01:48:05.189
[UNKNOWN]: It was because it's nerve pain.

01:48:05.569 --> 01:48:06.850
[UNKNOWN]: This is only day three.

01:48:06.970 --> 01:48:07.831
[UNKNOWN]: This is day three.

01:48:07.911 --> 01:48:15.536
[UNKNOWN]: So I call my I'm at mile 45 on day three And I'm Jeffrey I have a video Jeffrey just like held the phone like this.

01:48:15.576 --> 01:48:16.017
[UNKNOWN]: It is hip.

01:48:16.137 --> 01:48:24.483
[UNKNOWN]: This is my crew chief and just recorded me just like crying I was like I can't fucking do this man like what what are we gonna do?

01:48:25.083 --> 01:48:26.283
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, dude, it's fine.

01:48:26.424 --> 01:48:27.664
[UNKNOWN]: Like, just keep moving.

01:48:27.964 --> 01:48:28.684
[UNKNOWN]: You know what you're doing?

01:48:29.124 --> 01:48:30.025
[UNKNOWN]: You've gone this before.

01:48:30.265 --> 01:48:35.286
[UNKNOWN]: Like, he's very soft, he's very soft-spoken, and he's very kind.

01:48:35.947 --> 01:48:42.649
[UNKNOWN]: A very different approach than, you know, which is interesting for me, because I am a very like, you would be a great crew to you for me.

01:48:42.709 --> 01:48:46.090
[UNKNOWN]: Just very direct, very like, just, you know, do this yet.

01:48:47.410 --> 01:48:51.032
[UNKNOWN]: But for some reason coming from Jeffrey at works and he's just like, just go, just keep moving.

01:48:51.272 --> 01:48:52.272
[UNKNOWN]: You got five miles left today.

01:48:53.493 --> 01:48:57.159
[UNKNOWN]: You can go for five miles, like suckin' up, go, you know, we got five miles.

01:48:57.179 --> 01:49:06.813
[UNKNOWN]: I walk with you, and still to balling my eyes out, I call my buddy, and he does shoot reviews, that's saying his social media thing, and I'm like, there's the only person I know that can help me.

01:49:07.634 --> 01:49:13.195
[UNKNOWN]: So I call Eric, balling my, he's like a dinner with his family and he's like, oh, hey, man, what's up?

01:49:13.215 --> 01:49:18.597
[UNKNOWN]: But my god, you know, man, it's like balling my eyes out and he's like, oh, oh, oh, it's just so caught off guard.

01:49:18.997 --> 01:49:21.757
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I need the max cushion.

01:49:22.498 --> 01:49:24.458
[UNKNOWN]: I need the shoe with the most cushion.

01:49:24.998 --> 01:49:25.398
[UNKNOWN]: What is it?

01:49:25.958 --> 01:49:27.059
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, well, there's two shoes.

01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:31.920
[UNKNOWN]: There's like the A6 super flies or the Brooks glycerin max, too, which I actually have on my feet right now.

01:49:32.770 --> 01:49:37.174
[UNKNOWN]: And he's like, those, the ones have plates, the brooks don't.

01:49:37.754 --> 01:49:47.522
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, I would go with the brooks unless you want to play like a carbon fiber plate they put in shoes and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna find these glycerin backstudes, brand new pair, brand new shoes, like just came out.

01:49:48.803 --> 01:49:53.967
[UNKNOWN]: And we find, I mean, I need big, I could my fear swelling now, you know, your feet swelling, you do these things.

01:49:54.107 --> 01:49:56.689
[UNKNOWN]: So I now need a size 15, already hard to find.

01:49:57.550 --> 01:49:59.891
[UNKNOWN]: Thank God, they make 15s in these shoes.

01:50:00.911 --> 01:50:05.173
[UNKNOWN]: We find one pair in the state of Utah at the Shields in Sandy.

01:50:05.453 --> 01:50:06.313
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I see.

01:50:06.353 --> 01:50:06.873
[UNKNOWN]: Shout out.

01:50:07.094 --> 01:50:08.654
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I hope you're all there.

01:50:08.754 --> 01:50:13.076
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I call my wife again, still crying.

01:50:13.356 --> 01:50:15.317
[UNKNOWN]: I cried for like four hours straight.

01:50:16.277 --> 01:50:18.118
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, I need to go to Shields.

01:50:18.618 --> 01:50:19.778
[UNKNOWN]: I need you to get these shoes.

01:50:20.258 --> 01:50:21.919
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm going to have Max, who's my chef.

01:50:22.159 --> 01:50:24.620
[UNKNOWN]: Meet you in Salt Lake, and he's going to bring me the shoes tomorrow.

01:50:25.260 --> 01:50:33.145
[UNKNOWN]: So she Minutes before they close gets there gets the shoes meets my meets my chef He gets the shoes.

01:50:33.165 --> 01:50:46.314
[UNKNOWN]: He brings me the next morning and then we ordered Brooks ended up actually sending me a pair like thank you guys Yeah, they sent me a pair of Salt Lake running company, which was a local running store They sent me a pair of shoes and then we also bought a couple of pairs of shoes spent $750 and shoes like that

01:50:48.196 --> 01:51:00.133
[UNKNOWN]: And because they're expensive shoes, but they say today, and I was able to run in these, you guys now have a pair in the office, no break in period for these shoes, you just get it and go.

01:51:00.273 --> 01:51:01.014
[UNKNOWN]: Just get them and go.

01:51:01.034 --> 01:51:01.675
[UNKNOWN]: I have insults.

01:51:02.075 --> 01:51:03.798
[UNKNOWN]: I've high arches, so I'd put my insults in.

01:51:04.739 --> 01:51:07.662
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, at this point, it's like, what, can't get in the verse?

01:51:08.002 --> 01:51:15.168
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's not, like, it worst cases is ends because so it's like, I've got to do everything in my power to make this happen, so it's like we're just gonna put on their shoes and go.

01:51:16.208 --> 01:51:17.069
[UNKNOWN]: See what happens.

01:51:17.790 --> 01:51:20.952
[UNKNOWN]: And ended up obviously working out, but it was, uh,

01:51:22.033 --> 01:51:23.234
[UNKNOWN]: It was a rough couple of days.

01:51:23.255 --> 01:51:23.955
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like not.

01:51:23.975 --> 01:51:24.936
[UNKNOWN]: There's so much unknown.

01:51:25.217 --> 01:51:25.697
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know.

01:51:26.058 --> 01:51:27.319
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know if I was going to get the shoes.

01:51:27.339 --> 01:51:27.779
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't know.

01:51:27.840 --> 01:51:28.420
[UNKNOWN]: And then we didn't.

01:51:28.941 --> 01:51:30.623
[UNKNOWN]: None of the shoes they got delivered.

01:51:31.003 --> 01:51:33.766
[UNKNOWN]: All of it got delayed because we had a massive storm.

01:51:33.786 --> 01:51:35.748
[UNKNOWN]: The third largest rainstorm in the last 25 years.

01:51:36.689 --> 01:51:37.590
[UNKNOWN]: So all the shoes got delayed.

01:51:38.311 --> 01:51:38.691
[UNKNOWN]: So that's it.

01:51:38.852 --> 01:51:40.093
[UNKNOWN]: This is day seven or whatever.

01:51:40.613 --> 01:51:42.095
[UNKNOWN]: And all the shoes are delayed.

01:51:43.036 --> 01:51:46.499
[UNKNOWN]: I have one singular pair of shoes running with trench foot.

01:51:46.999 --> 01:51:49.140
[UNKNOWN]: My foot split open because it was raining so much.

01:51:49.521 --> 01:51:52.463
[UNKNOWN]: I can't change my shoes because I have one pair.

01:51:53.043 --> 01:51:56.065
[UNKNOWN]: They already have 250 or 270 miles on.

01:51:56.225 --> 01:51:58.087
[UNKNOWN]: I need another pair of shoes.

01:51:58.667 --> 01:51:59.848
[UNKNOWN]: It was a rough week.

01:51:59.908 --> 01:52:04.211
[UNKNOWN]: That first week was hell because so much went wrong and all.

01:52:04.411 --> 01:52:06.353
[UNKNOWN]: It made it look like I didn't prepare for this run.

01:52:07.273 --> 01:52:09.116
[UNKNOWN]: It really did like from an outside perspective.

01:52:09.136 --> 01:52:12.942
[UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't be surprised if some of you guys came back and were like What the fuck is this guy doing?

01:52:12.962 --> 01:52:15.025
[UNKNOWN]: Who is this guy like what do you think he's gonna do this?

01:52:15.485 --> 01:52:21.574
[UNKNOWN]: And I I get why a lot of people So you guys were some of the only people who believed in me from day one

01:52:22.435 --> 01:52:27.020
[UNKNOWN]: I couldn't tell you the amount of brands, people, whatever.

01:52:27.040 --> 01:52:28.962
[UNKNOWN]: That straight up tracks, yes.

01:52:29.222 --> 01:52:33.206
[UNKNOWN]: I had track facilities tell me, we don't want to be associated with you failing.

01:52:33.947 --> 01:52:37.230
[UNKNOWN]: I had brands tell me they didn't want to be associated with a failure.

01:52:37.350 --> 01:52:37.691
[UNKNOWN]: Damn.

01:52:37.911 --> 01:52:39.432
[UNKNOWN]: Like I had people tell me this.

01:52:40.473 --> 01:52:49.257
[UNKNOWN]: And I mean, it just gave me fuel to the fire, but from an outside perspective, especially in that first week, I can totally understand why people do I sell one would say that because I looked like a mess.

01:52:49.317 --> 01:52:57.760
[UNKNOWN]: When you able to recover it all, like once you got the shoes that were working well, did you feel recovery or did you steady state of pain?

01:52:58.080 --> 01:52:59.061
[UNKNOWN]: So, but it didn't get worse.

01:53:00.001 --> 01:53:01.762
[UNKNOWN]: make all worse.

01:53:02.042 --> 01:53:07.223
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this is where things get really interesting with these runs is the pain did get worse.

01:53:08.343 --> 01:53:09.983
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't get better.

01:53:10.544 --> 01:53:11.904
[UNKNOWN]: You did not get better until you stopped.

01:53:11.924 --> 01:53:14.664
[UNKNOWN]: It's just like if you hurt yourself, you got to stop.

01:53:15.105 --> 01:53:17.345
[UNKNOWN]: Because we all know, you know, plant our fasciitis.

01:53:17.365 --> 01:53:18.545
[UNKNOWN]: It's a really common thing.

01:53:18.585 --> 01:53:21.126
[UNKNOWN]: The only way to get rid of it is you stop running.

01:53:21.806 --> 01:53:22.767
[UNKNOWN]: It's how all of this was.

01:53:23.667 --> 01:53:28.010
[UNKNOWN]: And so like I just dressed factors develop at mile about 600.

01:53:28.070 --> 01:53:32.352
[UNKNOWN]: I'd stress so I ran out of 400 miles of stress fractures, where were the stress fractures?

01:53:32.392 --> 01:53:33.853
[UNKNOWN]: My fibule and my foot and my right leg.

01:53:35.434 --> 01:53:36.574
[UNKNOWN]: So I have stress fractures.

01:53:37.275 --> 01:53:43.158
[UNKNOWN]: The nerve pain is continuing to get worse because it's now damaging other nerves and it's going up the leg.

01:53:44.682 --> 01:53:52.505
[UNKNOWN]: So I'm dealing with just continue to get worse, but this is where these, again, these runs get interesting where you adapt.

01:53:53.826 --> 01:54:05.671
[UNKNOWN]: You all have a son, this switch kind of flips, and on day nine is where this switch kind of flipped, where I'm now this pain is, the pain is basically, it's there.

01:54:06.851 --> 01:54:10.214
[UNKNOWN]: It's getting worse, but your mind's kind of like, well, I guess we're fine going to do this.

01:54:11.234 --> 01:54:12.996
[UNKNOWN]: So we'll figure it out.

01:54:13.556 --> 01:54:20.762
[UNKNOWN]: Even though it's it's such an interesting feeling because you feel all of the pain, but you're able to just kind of like exist with it.

01:54:21.422 --> 01:54:26.566
[UNKNOWN]: It's a very interesting, unless you've done things like this, it's something that you can't

01:54:27.787 --> 01:54:48.217
[UNKNOWN]: It's something that's really hard to understand, unless you've experienced some sort of long-term hardship where you're physically or mentally brutalizing yourself on a daily basis, and then all of a sudden, and I'm sure you experience this in combat with these weeks on end of stuff, and then all of a sudden, there's like a day where it's not better.

01:54:49.137 --> 01:54:50.258
[UNKNOWN]: but it just all of a sudden is better.

01:54:50.398 --> 01:54:51.378
[UNKNOWN]: It's just acceptance.

01:54:51.778 --> 01:54:58.161
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a type of acceptance but then there's also the physical adaptation or the mental adaptation to what's going on.

01:54:58.821 --> 01:55:08.805
[UNKNOWN]: It's really interesting feeling, really interesting experience where, again, the pain, it got worse every single day, but you just kind of figured it out and deal with it.

01:55:09.505 --> 01:55:12.867
[UNKNOWN]: It's either the baton death march before, right?

01:55:13.767 --> 01:55:15.948
[UNKNOWN]: But one thing that's crazy when you read people

01:55:18.989 --> 01:55:27.774
[UNKNOWN]: Like the Japanese, we're just gonna kill you if you stop walking and You know the thing of like oh you can always take another step.

01:55:27.814 --> 01:55:34.598
[UNKNOWN]: Well, it's like actually no there's points that people get to where The guys you know I've read books where

01:55:35.719 --> 01:55:41.586
[UNKNOWN]: The Japanese are going to kill you if you stop and Guys would just be like I'm stopping.

01:55:42.287 --> 01:55:42.968
[UNKNOWN]: I can't do anymore.

01:55:43.048 --> 01:55:45.932
[UNKNOWN]: I can't take another step And then we just get executed on the side of the road.

01:55:46.152 --> 01:55:52.541
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so let's say getting to that point of Will you just cannot go any further?

01:55:53.842 --> 01:56:04.912
[UNKNOWN]: And this, I, one book in particular, I read was like you're will to live had to just be so strong that you would just not going to stop no matter what.

01:56:05.153 --> 01:56:10.718
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what I was kind of thinking about when you were saying, if I permanently injured myself, it doesn't matter.

01:56:10.738 --> 01:56:11.358
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to keep going.

01:56:11.399 --> 01:56:12.940
[UNKNOWN]: This is the last thing I do is the last thing I do.

01:56:15.628 --> 01:56:30.244
[UNKNOWN]: It was it was pretty awesome to see it from the outside and just getting reports from the field where like, oh, Mason only got like 25 miles, you know, this morning or today or so like in those early days where you have an all that trouble.

01:56:30.864 --> 01:56:51.643
[UNKNOWN]: and we were like damn dude like he's going through it and then about the time that switch flips for you and we were you know we weren't there for the whole run we were there for kind of beginning and you know the ended stuff but you know getting those reports like oh no he he just clocked a 55 mile day oh and another one and another you know and we just watched it picks

01:56:52.083 --> 01:56:52.944
[UNKNOWN]: Pick up steam again.

01:56:52.984 --> 01:56:55.306
[UNKNOWN]: It was like he's got to say 57.

01:56:55.346 --> 01:57:01.852
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's gonna get it like he's going and it was just super awesome to watch man But yeah, those early days were gnarly.

01:57:02.112 --> 01:57:09.238
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they do they were they were it was hell Yeah, I went through hell was there any moment when you said it look it's only the first day.

01:57:09.759 --> 01:57:10.820
[UNKNOWN]: I'm off to a bad start

01:57:11.400 --> 01:57:14.604
[UNKNOWN]: let me recover for two weeks and then take another crack at this.

01:57:14.664 --> 01:57:15.525
[UNKNOWN]: No, absolutely not.

01:57:15.886 --> 01:57:16.747
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what why?

01:57:16.787 --> 01:57:19.290
[UNKNOWN]: Because you had all the logistics in place.

01:57:19.991 --> 01:57:21.533
[UNKNOWN]: That's what you said you're going to do.

01:57:21.693 --> 01:57:22.193
[UNKNOWN]: That's quitting.

01:57:22.634 --> 01:57:22.834
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

01:57:23.155 --> 01:57:23.615
[UNKNOWN]: That's quitting.

01:57:24.196 --> 01:57:26.559
[UNKNOWN]: If I if I stopped on day one to start again, that's quitting.

01:57:27.740 --> 01:57:28.721
[UNKNOWN]: I quit because it was hard.

01:57:29.822 --> 01:57:30.603
[UNKNOWN]: That's what I would have been.

01:57:31.464 --> 01:57:38.151
[UNKNOWN]: At any point, unless it was weather, even then, at any point, I had to take a day off.

01:57:38.932 --> 01:57:42.495
[UNKNOWN]: I would have not claimed any of the claims that I've claimed.

01:57:42.715 --> 01:57:43.636
[UNKNOWN]: Is that the kind of the rules?

01:57:44.397 --> 01:57:47.099
[UNKNOWN]: I would say so, you know, because how does you make up, right?

01:57:47.720 --> 01:57:54.104
[UNKNOWN]: Yes, there's a kind of an unspoken rule with this, where it's essentially a continuous effort.

01:57:54.144 --> 01:58:01.910
[UNKNOWN]: You can't leave the track, like it's, you know, there's obviously you have to sleep, so it's not continuous, but there's, but you sleep in an RV or something.

01:58:01.950 --> 01:58:11.397
[UNKNOWN]: I slept on the side of the track in a trailer, like it, you know, there's, there's kind of that, you know, Ned Brockman's slept like in the building, like there was like a attached to the track.

01:58:11.777 --> 01:58:17.060
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know what Yannas did, but like there's, you know, you stay there.

01:58:17.861 --> 01:58:20.322
[UNKNOWN]: You do not leave, you live and breathe that track.

01:58:20.462 --> 01:58:27.006
[UNKNOWN]: I did not step foot off of that track for, I lived there for a month, basically, or three weeks.

01:58:28.126 --> 01:58:34.470
[UNKNOWN]: Like, I did not go anywhere except about 100 feet to a trailer and back.

01:58:35.090 --> 01:58:38.372
[UNKNOWN]: And then the 20 feet to the bathroom, because I did that a lot.

01:58:40.533 --> 01:58:43.354
[UNKNOWN]: So you end up raising $50,000 for the single-parent project.

01:58:43.394 --> 01:58:43.574
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.

01:58:44.375 --> 01:58:46.796
[UNKNOWN]: You're the first American to do this challenge.

01:58:47.156 --> 01:58:50.017
[UNKNOWN]: You're the third person in history to do it.

01:58:50.278 --> 01:58:51.838
[UNKNOWN]: You just mentioned the other two gentlemen.

01:58:51.858 --> 01:58:52.499
[UNKNOWN]: When did they do it?

01:58:52.739 --> 01:58:54.400
[UNKNOWN]: So, Yana said it in the 80s.

01:58:54.900 --> 01:58:57.381
[UNKNOWN]: If I'm not mistaken, and the Ned Brockman did it in 2021.

01:58:58.321 --> 01:58:58.962
[UNKNOWN]: Do you know Ned?

01:58:59.562 --> 01:59:02.003
[UNKNOWN]: No, we've message a little bit on Instagram.

01:59:02.643 --> 01:59:04.204
[UNKNOWN]: I'm message James was like, hey, you have any pointers?

01:59:04.224 --> 01:59:04.964
[UNKNOWN]: He's like, good luck.

01:59:06.710 --> 01:59:08.352
[UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, no, do you have any pointers?

01:59:08.412 --> 01:59:10.193
[UNKNOWN]: And he was like, look, man, I'm fucked up.

01:59:10.674 --> 01:59:17.400
[UNKNOWN]: Like, you know, he, again, this is, I have to preface this, what happened out there?

01:59:18.861 --> 01:59:20.382
[UNKNOWN]: I am dealing with stuff still.

01:59:20.703 --> 01:59:26.368
[UNKNOWN]: I still have nerve issues that will probably take me a couple years if not lifelong.

01:59:26.628 --> 01:59:27.889
[UNKNOWN]: They're minimal at this point.

01:59:28.469 --> 01:59:31.172
[UNKNOWN]: But like, there's stuff I might permanently be dealing with for the rest of my life.

01:59:32.482 --> 01:59:35.465
[UNKNOWN]: My body was able to manage this because of my weight.

01:59:36.045 --> 01:59:37.967
[UNKNOWN]: My body was able to manage this because of how I trained.

01:59:39.128 --> 01:59:41.470
[UNKNOWN]: This is not something that people should go do.

01:59:41.710 --> 01:59:56.363
[UNKNOWN]: I have to preface this because Ned, Ned, he legitimately, his shoulder muscles literally deteriorated to the point that had to tape his arms into place because his body was eating itself alive.

01:59:58.035 --> 02:00:12.018
[UNKNOWN]: Like this is something that is so because you don't, when you run across America, there's terrain changes, there's visual changes, there's different things that were the body actually is experiencing change almost every step.

02:00:12.638 --> 02:00:19.080
[UNKNOWN]: With this, it's the same plane, it's the same direction, I also I didn't switch directions but still.

02:00:19.900 --> 02:00:36.504
[UNKNOWN]: all the exact same muscles, mentally you're in the exact same place, mentally it takes significantly more of a toll and physically, despite what you would think you'd think maybe the hills would maybe harder, you're using the exact same muscles non-stop, then never changes.

02:00:37.365 --> 02:00:42.786
[UNKNOWN]: It doesn't because there's no elevation change, so at no point do your muscles, you use any different muscles.

02:00:43.586 --> 02:00:47.288
[UNKNOWN]: So this is something that it it should be taken.

02:00:47.308 --> 02:00:57.451
[UNKNOWN]: I've had a couple of you know kids a lot of younger You know, younger men reach out to me like I'm gonna do this and like I'm like I will support you I will be in your corner.

02:00:57.671 --> 02:01:11.617
[UNKNOWN]: I will help you, but I'm warning you This is not something that should be taken lightly because it is something that again I might be dealing with lifelong repercussions because of so it's just I have to preface this because I feel like people saw what I did and were like

02:01:12.317 --> 02:01:21.600
[UNKNOWN]: And this is, that's the whole point of this, is to, you know, achieve those impossible things and go for those big things, but I also just want to make sure that people understand it comes at a cost.

02:01:22.560 --> 02:01:31.623
[UNKNOWN]: They always, and this is a big cost that might not be worth it just so you can post on Instagram or something, or flags or whatever whatever your reason is.

02:01:31.803 --> 02:01:33.844
[UNKNOWN]: So it's like one out of ten, do not recommend.

02:01:34.586 --> 02:02:03.192
[UNKNOWN]: Honestly, yes, my whole, so kind of the thing that I've come up with out of this is find your thousand, find your thousand, it doesn't legitimately have to be a thousand miles, find that thing in your life, where you go for something, you dedicate six months to like three years of your life, dedicated to one stole thing, you give every ounce of yourself, your soul, your mind, your body to this thing.

02:02:04.612 --> 02:02:10.035
[UNKNOWN]: in the null with the knowledge that you will likely fail, getting for that.

02:02:10.075 --> 02:02:11.416
[UNKNOWN]: And that I technically failed.

02:02:11.836 --> 02:02:13.577
[UNKNOWN]: My goal was 66 miles a day, 15 days.

02:02:15.338 --> 02:02:16.818
[UNKNOWN]: I technically failed my original goal.

02:02:16.838 --> 02:02:17.079
[UNKNOWN]: I failed.

02:02:17.099 --> 02:02:17.359
[UNKNOWN]: I failed.

02:02:17.379 --> 02:02:17.939
[UNKNOWN]: No, it was neds.

02:02:18.639 --> 02:02:19.860
[UNKNOWN]: Neds was 13 days.

02:02:20.320 --> 02:02:25.743
[UNKNOWN]: They have fucking, he's a dog, like, insane.

02:02:27.364 --> 02:02:31.006
[UNKNOWN]: But I, but you dedicate all this time to this one thing.

02:02:31.866 --> 02:02:38.828
[UNKNOWN]: Whatever it is, it doesn't, it can be a business, it can be a thousand miles around a track, it can be, you just need to find your thousand.

02:02:39.668 --> 02:02:56.113
[UNKNOWN]: Find that thing that is impossible, that sounds impossible, dedicate everything that you have to that one thing, knowing that it will likely fail and it might not work out and that you just did all of this one time in your life.

02:02:57.635 --> 02:03:01.520
[UNKNOWN]: It's not a misogy, you have the misogy where you do that one big thing every year.

02:03:02.241 --> 02:03:04.084
[UNKNOWN]: This is one time in your life.

02:03:05.186 --> 02:03:11.535
[UNKNOWN]: Pick that thing that alters the fabric of your reality with the knowledge that you're probably going to fail.

02:03:12.697 --> 02:03:22.225
[UNKNOWN]: So that's what I think people should do, instead of destroying your body, which maybe that's maybe that's your thousand, maybe it is what I maybe it is that thousand mouths are in a track.

02:03:22.265 --> 02:03:28.951
[UNKNOWN]: There's a you have to look at your risks, pros, cons, whatever you want to word that you got to look at your risk and make sure it's worth it.

02:03:29.952 --> 02:03:35.978
[UNKNOWN]: But then go for that thing, once in your life, because it might change your life.

02:03:37.741 --> 02:03:45.070
[UNKNOWN]: It's going to change your life no matter what you do, and it's going to change your life for the better, no matter if you fail or succeed, failure is not the opposite of success.

02:03:45.090 --> 02:03:45.691
[UNKNOWN]: We all know this.

02:03:46.552 --> 02:03:49.996
[UNKNOWN]: So it's one of those things that it will change your life, and it will change your life for the better.

02:03:50.116 --> 02:03:50.737
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a new man.

02:03:51.478 --> 02:03:52.139
[UNKNOWN]: I'm a new person.

02:03:52.700 --> 02:03:53.280
[UNKNOWN]: I feel

02:03:54.862 --> 02:04:03.127
[UNKNOWN]: So, again, I'm so peace with myself, I found myself on that track, I found a version of amazing that I didn't know could ever exist.

02:04:03.407 --> 02:04:04.487
[UNKNOWN]: I didn't think it could exist.

02:04:04.728 --> 02:04:12.112
[UNKNOWN]: We talked about all the shit that I dealt with and all the things I went through and the mental stuff and all of it and I did not think this version of myself could exist.

02:04:13.132 --> 02:04:25.285
[UNKNOWN]: And I just, I'm a new person and it's the best, even if I had failed, I know that I would still be this new person because I gave every thing to this goal and it changed me.

02:04:26.326 --> 02:04:28.709
[UNKNOWN]: I think everybody should strive for that one thing.

02:04:31.852 --> 02:04:43.095
[UNKNOWN]: So, where do you go from here, so that, you know, it's to do the one thing in your life and now you're like, okay, now I got to do something else, right?

02:04:43.115 --> 02:04:49.096
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe it won't be as big, you set your sights a little bit lower now or set your, like, what's next?

02:04:49.116 --> 02:04:56.058
[UNKNOWN]: No, so there's just, you know, there's a couple of things I have in the works, um, you know, the big thing that I'm really focusing on right now is my life.

02:04:57.158 --> 02:05:13.288
[UNKNOWN]: I, people don't realize what these things, I have did so much good sacrifice, time, money, energy, people, I'm giving that, now I'm getting that back, my wife, giving that time back to my wife, focusing on building my businesses to build my family.

02:05:14.188 --> 02:05:21.776
[UNKNOWN]: and focusing on that side of my life using taking what I've learned, taking that ultra mindset into life, and applying it to these things.

02:05:22.377 --> 02:05:27.502
[UNKNOWN]: Doesn't mean I'm not done running, but I'm not probably not going to do something this big.

02:05:28.953 --> 02:05:38.577
[UNKNOWN]: I don't know, if I'll do something this big ever again, it just because of the financial, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual toll that it takes on everyone.

02:05:38.818 --> 02:05:40.118
[UNKNOWN]: It's not just me, I'll go do it.

02:05:40.138 --> 02:05:43.060
[UNKNOWN]: If it didn't impact anyone else, fuck yeah, I'll go do it again.

02:05:43.800 --> 02:05:47.221
[UNKNOWN]: Like, let's run it back, but it impacts, it impacts so many people.

02:05:48.222 --> 02:05:49.923
[UNKNOWN]: And I just don't wanna put people through that again.

02:05:50.863 --> 02:06:01.266
[UNKNOWN]: And so next thing, next year, the next big, big things we're going to go for is I'm going to start focusing on trying to win some 200 mile races.

02:06:02.087 --> 02:06:07.528
[UNKNOWN]: Still very big goals, still very big races, it's just a different, it's just a different animal, it's in a different realm.

02:06:08.229 --> 02:06:12.470
[UNKNOWN]: So that's like the next, that's, that's my next like, you know the next.

02:06:14.550 --> 02:06:17.613
[UNKNOWN]: Years of my life, essentially, that I'll dedicate as far as like the sport goes.

02:06:18.294 --> 02:06:23.981
[UNKNOWN]: Next is in a couple of weeks, as insane as it sounds as I'm talking about nerve damage and stuff.

02:06:24.561 --> 02:06:27.545
[UNKNOWN]: We're going to go for a world record to celebrate 250 years of America.

02:06:28.665 --> 02:06:43.733
[UNKNOWN]: I'm going to be, uh, I will set the world record running the most miles and laps around the Washington Monument a point one mile loop and we're going to go set the record day glutton or glutton for punishment.

02:06:44.134 --> 02:06:44.494
[UNKNOWN]: I guess

02:06:44.954 --> 02:06:51.319
[UNKNOWN]: And what's the, you were telling you mentioned something about the, there's like a charity involved never surrender U.S.A. Yeah, never surrender U.S.A.

02:06:51.339 --> 02:06:58.024
[UNKNOWN]: So they're whole, they invited me out, um, and they were invited to be a part of this big celebration that's happening over there.

02:06:58.825 --> 02:07:08.292
[UNKNOWN]: And their whole thing is basically promoting healthy, healthy lifestyles for young adults and especially young men as well as promoting patriotism in America.

02:07:09.133 --> 02:07:16.961
[UNKNOWN]: doesn't matter where your political party is, we can still love America, but be in different political spectrums.

02:07:17.001 --> 02:07:20.944
[UNKNOWN]: I love this example because LeBron takes a lot of heat for his political stance.

02:07:21.685 --> 02:07:25.929
[UNKNOWN]: But when he represents Team USA in the Olympics, he represents Team USA.

02:07:26.350 --> 02:07:27.270
[UNKNOWN]: He holds the flag,

02:07:29.032 --> 02:07:30.653
[UNKNOWN]: is very patriotic in those moments.

02:07:30.793 --> 02:07:37.155
[UNKNOWN]: And I think that's a great example of someone who's a little extreme on one end of the spectrum, you can still be patriotic no matter where you sit.

02:07:37.175 --> 02:07:42.697
[UNKNOWN]: And so that's like, you know, their focus is the patriotism alongside the healthy living and young adults and young men.

02:07:43.437 --> 02:07:47.599
[UNKNOWN]: And they've invited me out to do this crazy thing to bring awareness to what they're doing and bring awareness to that.

02:07:47.659 --> 02:07:51.800
[UNKNOWN]: Again, you can do, you can do hard things, you can push the boundaries,

02:07:54.301 --> 02:07:55.482
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's gonna be a lot of fun.

02:07:55.542 --> 02:07:59.023
[UNKNOWN]: There's a couple of people going out There's a guy you guys have maybe seen his name's Iron.

02:07:59.143 --> 02:08:04.404
[UNKNOWN]: Sned on Instagram He just did a hundred miles on a treadmill or no he did 24.

02:08:04.464 --> 02:08:06.925
[UNKNOWN]: I think like 130 miles or something I'm on the treadmill.

02:08:07.525 --> 02:08:10.526
[UNKNOWN]: So he's gonna go see how many miles he can run in 30 hours on a treadmill

02:08:11.706 --> 02:08:23.392
[UNKNOWN]: There's some dude who's gonna see how many pull-ups and push-ups like two different guys and 24 hours I'm gonna set the world record around around the russian to monument so there's some cool stuff that's gonna be happening It's gonna be a lot of fun.

02:08:24.093 --> 02:08:26.874
[UNKNOWN]: It's it's gonna be a and it's celebrate 250 years.

02:08:26.894 --> 02:08:32.877
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's Not very many not very many countries or empire, but we want to call it last that long

02:08:34.138 --> 02:08:53.394
[UNKNOWN]: check and in the meantime you also have your your online like you do nutrition you do coaching online do race fuel planning and and even a race day package yeah yeah so I you know so I do nutrition coaching helping you get ready for whatever races that might be up

02:08:54.094 --> 02:08:59.880
[UNKNOWN]: as well as like life, you know, not life coaching, but just like coaching or nutrition for life and stuff.

02:09:00.340 --> 02:09:10.550
[UNKNOWN]: But a big focus might as a, you know, the endurance community half marathon marathon, ultra marathon, so on, helping you just through that process, training for your feeling.

02:09:10.570 --> 02:09:16.016
[UNKNOWN]: But then I also help with the actual race where, you know, I basically, especially if you're 50 miles plus,

02:09:16.576 --> 02:09:19.318
[UNKNOWN]: 50 miles because below that these, it's just not worth the money.

02:09:19.939 --> 02:09:21.620
[UNKNOWN]: I don't want to, I don't want to take people to money.

02:09:22.261 --> 02:09:35.453
[UNKNOWN]: Unless you're type A, this isn't something that's worth it, below 50 miles, but I'll make a full spreadsheet, mile by mile, eight station by eight station, breaking down what to eat, what to pack, when to eat, how much to eat, grocery lists, everything for them and their crew.

02:09:35.493 --> 02:09:38.055
[UNKNOWN]: So their crew can just be like, cool, here you go.

02:09:38.075 --> 02:09:39.316
[UNKNOWN]: They don't even have to think about it.

02:09:39.376 --> 02:09:41.938
[UNKNOWN]: It's just the spreadsheet that's ready to go, locked and loaded.

02:09:43.059 --> 02:09:46.841
[UNKNOWN]: Then I can take a step further where you can now have a nutritionist basically on your crew.

02:09:47.261 --> 02:09:49.722
[UNKNOWN]: Like I'm going, I'm crewing a dude who's running across the state of Indiana.

02:09:50.882 --> 02:09:53.223
[UNKNOWN]: Coming up here, the same as Marcus Wynn.

02:09:53.263 --> 02:09:55.824
[UNKNOWN]: He's doing it in September.

02:09:55.984 --> 02:09:57.565
[UNKNOWN]: He's running across the entire state of Indiana.

02:09:57.585 --> 02:09:58.705
[UNKNOWN]: I guess the length of Indiana.

02:09:59.805 --> 02:10:02.667
[UNKNOWN]: He'll be, I think, the first person to have ever run the length of Indiana.

02:10:02.707 --> 02:10:03.347
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not mistaken.

02:10:04.047 --> 02:10:10.512
[UNKNOWN]: Um, so he's going to be doing that coming up here in September and I'm going to be crewing him out there with him doing all of his new traditions.

02:10:10.532 --> 02:10:13.655
[UNKNOWN]: I'm doing the whole nutrition plan and then being on site with him.

02:10:13.995 --> 02:10:15.096
[UNKNOWN]: I've done this for a couple of people.

02:10:15.176 --> 02:10:19.599
[UNKNOWN]: I crude someone doing the Arizona monster 300, you know, I've done a couple of these things.

02:10:19.639 --> 02:10:20.260
[UNKNOWN]: It's really fun.

02:10:20.580 --> 02:10:23.482
[UNKNOWN]: I have a lot of fun doing it, but I do that as well.

02:10:23.622 --> 02:10:23.962
[UNKNOWN]: It's fun.

02:10:24.283 --> 02:10:24.903
[UNKNOWN]: It's a lot of fun.

02:10:25.404 --> 02:10:28.726
[UNKNOWN]: And that's what Mason's getting after right now.

02:10:28.926 --> 02:10:29.106
[UNKNOWN]: Yep.

02:10:29.427 --> 02:10:30.427
[UNKNOWN]: Is that going to stop the speed?

02:10:31.348 --> 02:10:32.009
[UNKNOWN]: I think so.

02:10:32.109 --> 02:10:32.369
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

02:10:32.609 --> 02:10:36.091
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know, we've got a couple of other businesses always go on, but you know, whatever.

02:10:36.592 --> 02:10:37.432
[UNKNOWN]: What are the other businesses?

02:10:37.592 --> 02:10:38.993
[UNKNOWN]: Well, so I own a demolition demo.

02:10:39.053 --> 02:10:39.514
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

02:10:39.534 --> 02:10:40.054
[UNKNOWN]: What's that called?

02:10:40.574 --> 02:10:41.595
[UNKNOWN]: Right, brother's demolition.

02:10:41.775 --> 02:10:42.716
[UNKNOWN]: Right, brother's demolition.

02:10:42.736 --> 02:10:44.557
[UNKNOWN]: I mean, my little brother own it.

02:10:44.637 --> 02:10:48.199
[UNKNOWN]: And then I have my gym, which is called gym, gain your movement.

02:10:48.559 --> 02:10:49.800
[UNKNOWN]: Uh, it's, it's fun.

02:10:49.820 --> 02:10:50.801
[UNKNOWN]: And then I'm your movement.

02:10:50.881 --> 02:10:52.262
[UNKNOWN]: And then I consider social media.

02:10:52.322 --> 02:10:53.883
[UNKNOWN]: It's a, it's a job.

02:10:54.403 --> 02:10:57.325
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, it's just a real thing.

02:10:57.625 --> 02:10:58.325
[UNKNOWN]: What kind of gym is it?

02:10:58.625 --> 02:11:00.086
[UNKNOWN]: It's a functional training gym.

02:11:00.106 --> 02:11:02.987
[UNKNOWN]: So we're actually partnered with a physical therapy clinic.

02:11:03.367 --> 02:11:15.773
[UNKNOWN]: And so a lot of, you know, a lot of our clients are older adults or those, you know, who are just rehabbing, who are basically post rehab from an injury, trying to get back to things and also a gym, you know, I work out there every day for sure.

02:11:15.893 --> 02:11:18.675
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but our whole focus is functional fitness.

02:11:19.535 --> 02:11:37.746
[UNKNOWN]: Gain your movement Jim in in what what cities it a Bountiful you talk a little down a little and people can find you at buffrunner dot com You have a YouTube channel you have an Instagram the both those are at Buffrunner yep, and then Strava which I don't I don't have Strava.

02:11:37.806 --> 02:11:43.389
[UNKNOWN]: I'm also buffrunner on Strava at buffrunner on Strava people want to Check in with you carry.

02:11:43.410 --> 02:11:44.090
[UNKNOWN]: Do you got any questions?

02:11:44.210 --> 02:11:44.230
[UNKNOWN]: I

02:11:44.864 --> 02:12:08.171
[UNKNOWN]: I am curious just because we've got to spend a lot of time with you and prep before the thousand mile run and you know now we're on the other side of it has been a little while what's what's one of the big things or what's maybe the biggest thing that you've taken away from you know that the completion of that thousand mile run since both you know says before for prep now coming out the other side of it what's that big lesson.

02:12:10.109 --> 02:12:16.514
[UNKNOWN]: I think the lesson comes back to that, you know, you can accomplish so much more than you think.

02:12:16.754 --> 02:12:19.316
[UNKNOWN]: There really are no limits.

02:12:20.116 --> 02:12:34.187
[UNKNOWN]: And I think one of the, I will say, you know, there's the no limits, you know, I found myself, I discovered who I was, truly who I was, but there's this other level to it where, you know, we've kind of talked about this in different points.

02:12:36.032 --> 02:12:38.773
[UNKNOWN]: The reason you aren't going further is because you've set that limitation on yourself.

02:12:39.533 --> 02:12:43.394
[UNKNOWN]: At some point in time, let's just put it into running's perspective.

02:12:44.134 --> 02:12:45.054
[UNKNOWN]: You run that marathon.

02:12:45.194 --> 02:12:47.535
[UNKNOWN]: You get done with that marathon and you're done.

02:12:47.555 --> 02:12:49.295
[UNKNOWN]: You're like, oh my gosh, marathon was so hard.

02:12:50.195 --> 02:12:56.877
[UNKNOWN]: Go run, if you tell yourself, you're going to run 10 miles a day, you're going to get to 10 miles and you're going to be like, oh my gosh, that 10 miles is so hard.

02:12:57.097 --> 02:13:04.319
[UNKNOWN]: It's a, you're setting these mental and physical limits on yourself because you tell yourself, well, I'm going to do this and then you get there.

02:13:05.719 --> 02:13:06.559
[UNKNOWN]: Well, you got there, now what.

02:13:07.680 --> 02:13:15.622
[UNKNOWN]: And so you can, you know, and there's a mindset where you can continue past, you can continue on, but most people stop because they said they were going to do it.

02:13:16.322 --> 02:13:19.163
[UNKNOWN]: They got there and then their mind tells them, oh, I'm there.

02:13:19.923 --> 02:13:25.545
[UNKNOWN]: And when I finished a thousand miles, a thousand percent, I got to run 55 more miles the next day.

02:13:25.585 --> 02:13:28.766
[UNKNOWN]: I just did it the day before, why couldn't I do it the next day?

02:13:28.926 --> 02:13:32.887
[UNKNOWN]: But because I hit that thousand miles, my body was like, okay, we're done.

02:13:33.961 --> 02:14:00.567
[UNKNOWN]: and I shut down my body shut down because I told myself a thousand miles and I remember that next morning sitting there thinking I was like this is crazy I could have done it but because I told myself a thousand miles were done I actually ran a thousand and one by the way I got to give myself credit but it's it's I set that limit on myself that limit was a thousand miles.

02:14:01.347 --> 02:14:06.969
[UNKNOWN]: Sure, that limit's massive, but it's still a limit that was placed and when I hit it, my mind said stop.

02:14:07.029 --> 02:14:10.350
[UNKNOWN]: If I hit it for 2,000, we would around 2,000 miles.

02:14:11.110 --> 02:14:13.911
[UNKNOWN]: If I hit it for 3,000, we would have run 3,000 miles.

02:14:14.011 --> 02:14:22.933
[UNKNOWN]: Again, it comes back to your just setting limits on yourself and it hit me like a truck when I finished, where I was like holy shit.

02:14:23.994 --> 02:14:27.155
[UNKNOWN]: It really is just a mental limit that we place on ourselves.

02:14:27.195 --> 02:14:27.835
[UNKNOWN]: And so when I go,

02:14:29.016 --> 02:14:51.637
[UNKNOWN]: do anything now, I just don't, yeah sure, I might have a physical time limit in the day where it's like, oh, I can only work out for this longer, run for this longer, whatever, they can't change a lot of physics, but there's, you know, with the business, like my business side of my life, I basically, the other day I was sitting there and I, I'd worked, it was like a 16 hour day, my life's like a retired, I'm like, no, I don't get tired anymore.

02:14:53.998 --> 02:14:56.879
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm just, that's where I'm at, I don't get tired anymore.

02:14:57.759 --> 02:14:59.280
[UNKNOWN]: Because I'm not putting that limit on myself.

02:14:59.740 --> 02:15:04.121
[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to let myself sure I get sleepy, but I'm not going to get tired anymore.

02:15:04.721 --> 02:15:06.701
[UNKNOWN]: Because it's a physical limit, we place on ourselves.

02:15:08.302 --> 02:15:13.283
[UNKNOWN]: Sometimes those physical limits need to get smashed and the mental limits need to get smashed.

02:15:13.303 --> 02:15:14.143
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you know what?

02:15:14.963 --> 02:15:16.804
[UNKNOWN]: We have a little something for you.

02:15:16.844 --> 02:15:18.164
[UNKNOWN]: I know I heard you shut more.

02:15:18.184 --> 02:15:20.685
[UNKNOWN]: We got a little something for you.

02:15:21.025 --> 02:15:21.605
[UNKNOWN]: This right here.

02:15:25.127 --> 02:15:45.861
[UNKNOWN]: This is so cool the hammer of discipline the hammer of discipline this right here is this is hand forged in America of course a guy named Carl Dunn who is in that show I think the show is called Forge and Firehuse guys on that that for stuff and down at Taylor's Mill in South Carolina

02:15:46.861 --> 02:15:57.585
[UNKNOWN]: He forged this hammer that's invisible and as a recognition for you hammering through all limitations And the self and getting after it.

02:15:57.945 --> 02:16:02.527
[UNKNOWN]: Oh and a 1000 and a 1,000 and 1.6 of course, man We got it.

02:16:02.547 --> 02:16:05.368
[UNKNOWN]: We don't play around details matter details do matter.

02:16:05.628 --> 02:16:07.249
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, this is this is so cool

02:16:07.869 --> 02:16:12.692
[UNKNOWN]: I have, this late-night school gave me like a cool plaque.

02:16:13.152 --> 02:16:13.412
[UNKNOWN]: Nice.

02:16:13.632 --> 02:16:14.312
[UNKNOWN]: Got my name on it.

02:16:14.372 --> 02:16:15.173
[UNKNOWN]: It says 1,000 miles.

02:16:15.313 --> 02:16:15.633
[UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.

02:16:16.414 --> 02:16:17.154
[UNKNOWN]: I love you guys.

02:16:17.494 --> 02:16:18.775
[UNKNOWN]: But this might be cooler.

02:16:20.696 --> 02:16:21.416
[UNKNOWN]: This is sweet.

02:16:21.636 --> 02:16:22.477
[UNKNOWN]: Well, right, all, man.

02:16:22.737 --> 02:16:23.077
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

02:16:23.317 --> 02:16:26.520
[UNKNOWN]: Well earned, obviously you worked your ass off for that and you suffered for it.

02:16:26.820 --> 02:16:28.682
[UNKNOWN]: You've got a final fast before you close it out.

02:16:29.863 --> 02:16:30.624
[UNKNOWN]: Go do a hard shit.

02:16:31.485 --> 02:16:32.806
[UNKNOWN]: Don't place those limits on yourself.

02:16:33.607 --> 02:16:34.007
[UNKNOWN]: Jack.

02:16:34.768 --> 02:16:35.669
[UNKNOWN]: Great advice, man.

02:16:35.809 --> 02:16:36.509
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for joining us.

02:16:37.090 --> 02:16:38.992
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks for having me.

02:16:39.152 --> 02:16:39.732
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, no.

02:16:39.853 --> 02:16:40.273
[UNKNOWN]: It's been great.

02:16:40.293 --> 02:16:42.035
[UNKNOWN]: It's been great to watch the whole process.

02:16:42.055 --> 02:16:44.397
[UNKNOWN]: You know, we kind of, at Jockelfeu, we got involved with you.

02:16:44.417 --> 02:16:48.601
[UNKNOWN]: That you guys kind of told me who you were and what you were doing and I was like, oh hell yeah.

02:16:48.981 --> 02:17:15.058
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, let's go and so thanks for sharing that thanks for sharing the lessons that you've learned along the way and and you know Thanks for what you're doing to raise money and awareness, you know for For all the single parents out there, which is awesome, and now you're got this thing going with this other organization to help with the People being on the right path, which is obviously What we're into people being on the right path and you have certainly Set out a right path for all of us.

02:17:15.398 --> 02:17:18.280
[UNKNOWN]: I just hope someone sees this and knows that they can change their life

02:17:18.883 --> 02:17:19.644
[UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, brother.

02:17:19.764 --> 02:17:21.065
[UNKNOWN]: I think that is a fact.

02:17:21.746 --> 02:17:22.207
[UNKNOWN]: So thank you.

02:17:22.367 --> 02:17:22.707
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you.

02:17:24.669 --> 02:17:28.233
[UNKNOWN]: And with that Mason Wright has left the building.

02:17:29.454 --> 02:17:31.636
[UNKNOWN]: Clearly, he's been getting after it.

02:17:31.896 --> 02:17:33.178
[UNKNOWN]: He's going to be getting after it's a more

02:17:34.765 --> 02:17:39.347
[UNKNOWN]: And he's running, mostly, but he lifts all the time.

02:17:39.588 --> 02:17:43.369
[UNKNOWN]: Running, lifting, training, just, and working, running.

02:17:43.830 --> 02:17:46.931
[UNKNOWN]: He was showing me some pictures when he left before he left.

02:17:47.612 --> 02:17:52.974
[UNKNOWN]: He's on a job site demoing shit, representing by the way.

02:17:52.994 --> 02:17:56.756
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's represented, but it's like, this dude is, this dude is fully getting after this.

02:17:57.296 --> 02:17:58.217
[UNKNOWN]: So awesome.

02:17:58.437 --> 02:17:59.978
[UNKNOWN]: When you're fully getting after it like that,

02:18:01.103 --> 02:18:01.884
[UNKNOWN]: you need the right fuel.

02:18:02.825 --> 02:18:09.551
[UNKNOWN]: And as you heard, we, you, me and Mason Wright, we all recommend Jockel Fuel.

02:18:09.851 --> 02:18:10.792
[UNKNOWN]: Check out JockelField.com.

02:18:10.972 --> 02:18:11.813
[UNKNOWN]: We got everything that you need.

02:18:12.133 --> 02:18:16.377
[UNKNOWN]: We got energy, we got hydration, we got protein.

02:18:16.837 --> 02:18:17.518
[UNKNOWN]: Lots of protein.

02:18:17.538 --> 02:18:21.922
[UNKNOWN]: We got that new Raspberry Jolada, which I had before I came to train today.

02:18:22.222 --> 02:18:23.443
[UNKNOWN]: Well, I forgot to work it out.

02:18:23.463 --> 02:18:26.166
[UNKNOWN]: I had a little time before training and I had the Raspberry Jolado.

02:18:27.527 --> 02:18:28.668
[UNKNOWN]: and dang it tastes good.

02:18:29.549 --> 02:18:31.110
[UNKNOWN]: It's a little sweetness.

02:18:32.331 --> 02:18:33.912
[UNKNOWN]: It tastes very refreshing.

02:18:35.913 --> 02:18:36.754
[UNKNOWN]: So get in there.

02:18:37.414 --> 02:18:38.775
[UNKNOWN]: Jockelfuel.com.

02:18:38.795 --> 02:18:41.137
[UNKNOWN]: You can get pretty much everything that you need and you can get

02:18:41.868 --> 02:18:42.789
[UNKNOWN]: around the country right now.

02:18:43.249 --> 02:18:46.972
[UNKNOWN]: We're in over 50,000 stores at this time.

02:18:47.813 --> 02:18:52.556
[UNKNOWN]: That's probably includes your retailer, you know, where you buy your groceries and whatnot.

02:18:52.776 --> 02:18:54.578
[UNKNOWN]: If they don't have it, ask for it, we'll get you.

02:18:54.758 --> 02:18:55.518
[UNKNOWN]: We'll get you taken care of.

02:18:56.339 --> 02:18:58.801
[UNKNOWN]: But we got everything that you need to stay strong and stay fueled.

02:18:59.081 --> 02:19:01.083
[UNKNOWN]: So check out jockelfuel.com.

02:19:01.883 --> 02:19:03.785
[UNKNOWN]: also, originusa.com.

02:19:04.725 --> 02:19:06.867
[UNKNOWN]: We're making American made goods.

02:19:07.848 --> 02:19:09.990
[UNKNOWN]: We're making American made jujitsu gear.

02:19:10.250 --> 02:19:11.771
[UNKNOWN]: We're making American made jeans.

02:19:11.951 --> 02:19:12.992
[UNKNOWN]: American made boots.

02:19:13.192 --> 02:19:14.453
[UNKNOWN]: American made t-shirts.

02:19:14.994 --> 02:19:16.675
[UNKNOWN]: We're making American made gear.

02:19:17.976 --> 02:19:19.317
[UNKNOWN]: And we're not just making it here in America.

02:19:19.337 --> 02:19:23.160
[UNKNOWN]: We're making it with 100% American-made materials.

02:19:24.661 --> 02:19:26.803
[UNKNOWN]: So the cotton, the zipper,

02:19:28.842 --> 02:19:29.543
[UNKNOWN]: the twill.

02:19:30.724 --> 02:19:32.506
[UNKNOWN]: It's all from America.

02:19:33.527 --> 02:19:37.911
[UNKNOWN]: So get yourself some 100% communist free.

02:19:38.491 --> 02:19:39.172
[UNKNOWN]: No communism.

02:19:39.793 --> 02:19:41.034
[UNKNOWN]: It's a 100% communist free.

02:19:41.494 --> 02:19:43.136
[UNKNOWN]: It's heavily tested for communism.

02:19:43.896 --> 02:19:44.697
[UNKNOWN]: There's no communism.

02:19:46.339 --> 02:19:47.440
[UNKNOWN]: Orgnewsa.com.

02:19:48.241 --> 02:19:48.581
[UNKNOWN]: Get some.

02:19:49.578 --> 02:19:55.103
[UNKNOWN]: We've also got JoccoStore.com, where you can get your gear to represent on the path.

02:19:55.504 --> 02:20:02.010
[UNKNOWN]: Look at you, dude, just jacking your voice like I've never left, man.

02:20:02.711 --> 02:20:05.233
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so we've got the discipline equals freedom shirts.

02:20:05.253 --> 02:20:09.838
[UNKNOWN]: We've got the good shirts, you know, these are items we can wear when we're representing.

02:20:10.678 --> 02:20:16.200
[UNKNOWN]: We've also, I got a sneak peek today of some new gear that we got going up on the store.

02:20:16.540 --> 02:20:18.300
[UNKNOWN]: Is that, are the, the 250 assures?

02:20:18.460 --> 02:20:20.261
[UNKNOWN]: Is that shirt locker or is that Jocco store?

02:20:20.301 --> 02:20:21.061
[UNKNOWN]: That's Jocco store.

02:20:21.141 --> 02:20:21.641
[UNKNOWN]: Jocco store?

02:20:21.661 --> 02:20:23.382
[UNKNOWN]: I always make a little independence day.

02:20:23.402 --> 02:20:23.922
[UNKNOWN]: Oh, of course.

02:20:23.942 --> 02:20:25.622
[UNKNOWN]: T-shirt to represent.

02:20:26.322 --> 02:20:28.903
[UNKNOWN]: So yeah, that should be live here shortly.

02:20:29.163 --> 02:20:32.684
[UNKNOWN]: Right on, so keep an eye out for that new independence day.

02:20:33.404 --> 02:20:35.885
[UNKNOWN]: Jocco store, death core.

02:20:37.125 --> 02:20:37.786
[UNKNOWN]: Standard issue?

02:20:37.966 --> 02:20:38.707
[UNKNOWN]: Not quite standard.

02:20:38.727 --> 02:20:39.667
[UNKNOWN]: No, it's not standard.

02:20:39.687 --> 02:20:41.329
[UNKNOWN]: It's just a little hit or go.

02:20:41.649 --> 02:20:41.930
[UNKNOWN]: Right.

02:20:42.050 --> 02:20:43.231
[UNKNOWN]: Check.

02:20:43.791 --> 02:20:44.051
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

02:20:44.172 --> 02:20:48.235
[UNKNOWN]: So to have Douglas Road.com and check out the subscription scenario.

02:20:48.416 --> 02:20:48.656
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.

02:20:48.876 --> 02:20:49.416
[UNKNOWN]: Short locker.

02:20:49.857 --> 02:20:55.082
[UNKNOWN]: So if you like cool designs that are deaf core adjacent.

02:20:55.562 --> 02:20:56.722
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, check out this one.

02:20:56.742 --> 02:20:57.983
[UNKNOWN]: There's probably a Deaf Court adjacent.

02:20:58.283 --> 02:21:00.423
[UNKNOWN]: Are they just straight Deaf Court many scenarios?

02:21:00.683 --> 02:21:06.405
[UNKNOWN]: They are straight Deaf Court, but the designs are a little more varied than people may expect from.

02:21:06.665 --> 02:21:12.167
[UNKNOWN]: Just a regular Jocquist or shirt, but people love the shirt locker designs.

02:21:12.587 --> 02:21:13.787
[UNKNOWN]: I love the shirt locker designs.

02:21:14.227 --> 02:21:15.708
[UNKNOWN]: Subscribe to new shirt every month.

02:21:16.088 --> 02:21:17.128
[UNKNOWN]: Definitely worth getting involved in.

02:21:17.470 --> 02:21:18.911
[UNKNOWN]: run on, get involved.

02:21:18.991 --> 02:21:21.292
[UNKNOWN]: Get him for a while.

02:21:21.352 --> 02:21:22.292
[UNKNOWN]: Books, we got a bunch of books.

02:21:22.813 --> 02:21:25.774
[UNKNOWN]: Apparently Mason writes writing a book, which we'll look forward to that.

02:21:26.574 --> 02:21:29.756
[UNKNOWN]: Put your legs on by Rob Jones, need to leave by Dave Burke.

02:21:29.796 --> 02:21:33.558
[UNKNOWN]: We got a bunch of books that I've written, including kids' books.

02:21:34.478 --> 02:21:36.199
[UNKNOWN]: Those are where your kids out there, get them on the path.

02:21:36.899 --> 02:21:39.641
[UNKNOWN]: Take care of your kids, take care of the neighbors, kids.

02:21:39.701 --> 02:21:42.682
[UNKNOWN]: Let them read a book that's gonna help them in so many different ways.

02:21:44.243 --> 02:21:45.704
[UNKNOWN]: where you could calm check that out.

02:21:46.784 --> 02:21:53.866
[UNKNOWN]: Also, if you need steak, Colorado Craft Beef.com get yourself some good steak and some talo.

02:21:54.486 --> 02:21:55.207
[UNKNOWN]: You want talo is?

02:21:55.507 --> 02:21:56.047
[UNKNOWN]: Beef talo.

02:21:56.167 --> 02:21:56.747
[UNKNOWN]: Beef talo.

02:21:56.807 --> 02:21:57.367
[UNKNOWN]: Yeah, hell yeah.

02:21:57.607 --> 02:22:00.588
[UNKNOWN]: Okay, so this is you cook with it.

02:22:00.668 --> 02:22:02.309
[UNKNOWN]: Well, this one I cook with it.

02:22:02.369 --> 02:22:09.071
[UNKNOWN]: Just throw it in the pan and it greases up that pan proper with that beef talo.

02:22:09.771 --> 02:22:13.012
[UNKNOWN]: And it's not, it's not some formulated chemical thing.

02:22:13.433 --> 02:22:36.401
[UNKNOWN]: It's beef tallow and those beef sticks are pretty legit So check out call of craft beef.com We got the master for echelon front coming to line eight through the tenth in San Diego So if you need leadership in your world, which you do if you have issues in your world, which you do those issues will be solved by leadership and through leadership

02:22:37.767 --> 02:22:40.268
[UNKNOWN]: So check out echelonfront.com.

02:22:40.688 --> 02:22:42.829
[UNKNOWN]: We have an entire leadership consultancy.

02:22:43.049 --> 02:22:43.649
[UNKNOWN]: That's what we do.

02:22:44.349 --> 02:22:48.230
[UNKNOWN]: And like I said, we also have an event in San Diego, July 8th through the 10th.

02:22:49.251 --> 02:22:49.951
[UNKNOWN]: Come and check that out.

02:22:49.971 --> 02:22:53.312
[UNKNOWN]: We have an online training Academy Extremeownership.com.

02:22:53.732 --> 02:22:56.533
[UNKNOWN]: We teach the skills of leadership online.

02:22:56.973 --> 02:23:02.155
[UNKNOWN]: There's interactive courses and there's live events that we do all the time.

02:23:02.575 --> 02:23:02.735
[UNKNOWN]: So,

02:23:02.955 --> 02:23:03.735
[UNKNOWN]: Check that out as well.

02:23:04.416 --> 02:23:08.237
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to help service members, active and retired, you want to help their families, you want to help girls, go to our families.

02:23:08.557 --> 02:23:13.400
[UNKNOWN]: Check out Mark Lee's mom, momily, and her incredible charity organization.

02:23:14.180 --> 02:23:19.162
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to donate, or you want to get involved, go to America's mighty warriors.org.

02:23:20.343 --> 02:23:22.263
[UNKNOWN]: Check out heroes in horses.org.

02:23:22.463 --> 02:23:25.705
[UNKNOWN]: Check out Jimmy May's organization beyond the brotherhood.org.

02:23:26.025 --> 02:23:28.106
[UNKNOWN]: Check out warriors in need.org.

02:23:29.156 --> 02:23:43.431
[UNKNOWN]: So we had a bending room on the podcast and he's taking service members from all the services that worked in aviation and kind of fast tracking them into jobs in civilian aviation.

02:23:44.472 --> 02:23:46.775
[UNKNOWN]: And there's like 30,000 job openings.

02:23:48.236 --> 02:23:52.060
[UNKNOWN]: And if you want to get one of those jobs, check out warriorsinneed.org.

02:23:52.080 --> 02:23:52.400
[UNKNOWN]: It's cool.

02:23:52.700 --> 02:23:57.564
[UNKNOWN]: After you came on the podcast a bunch of the big airline companies are reaching out to them.

02:23:57.785 --> 02:23:58.485
[UNKNOWN]: They need people.

02:23:59.366 --> 02:24:01.628
[UNKNOWN]: So check out warriorsinneed.org if you want to help that out.

02:24:02.048 --> 02:24:04.410
[UNKNOWN]: And then strongholdrescue.org.

02:24:05.431 --> 02:24:05.992
[UNKNOWN]: Another good one.

02:24:06.032 --> 02:24:06.352
[UNKNOWN]: Finally.

02:24:07.473 --> 02:24:09.695
[UNKNOWN]: singleparentproject.org.

02:24:10.716 --> 02:24:13.278
[UNKNOWN]: That's what Mason was trying to support and support it.

02:24:13.538 --> 02:24:15.179
[UNKNOWN]: It is thousand mile run.

02:24:16.280 --> 02:24:17.461
[UNKNOWN]: So check that out as well.

02:24:17.501 --> 02:24:31.211
[UNKNOWN]: If you want to connect with Mason on the inner webs, check out buffrunner.com and then on YouTube and on Instagram and social media, including Strava, he's at buffrunner.

02:24:32.432 --> 02:24:37.895
[UNKNOWN]: And for us, you can check out jockel.com and then on social media, I'm at jockel when like Kerry's at Kerry Hilton.

02:24:39.195 --> 02:24:42.997
[UNKNOWN]: Just be careful, because there is now algorithm, which is looking to ruin your life.

02:24:43.277 --> 02:24:43.777
[UNKNOWN]: Don't let it.

02:24:44.477 --> 02:24:51.080
[UNKNOWN]: Thanks to all the Americans right now that are stationed around the world in uniform, protecting freedom, and defending our way of life.

02:24:51.100 --> 02:24:57.223
[UNKNOWN]: We could not do any of the things that we're doing right now without your service and sacrifice and we thank you for it.

02:24:58.163 --> 02:25:05.884
[UNKNOWN]: Also, thanks to our police law enforcement firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, board patrol, secret service, as well as all other first responders.

02:25:06.305 --> 02:25:09.205
[UNKNOWN]: Thank you for defending us here on the home front.

02:25:11.325 --> 02:25:14.586
[UNKNOWN]: And everyone else out there, the path is hard.

02:25:15.506 --> 02:25:21.807
[UNKNOWN]: And there will be obstacles and there'll be challenges and there'll be headwinds and there'll be injuries.

02:25:22.668 --> 02:25:25.248
[UNKNOWN]: And there'll be pain and it will be uphill.

02:25:27.085 --> 02:25:27.746
[UNKNOWN]: Always up hill.

02:25:28.687 --> 02:25:34.112
[UNKNOWN]: There will be fatigue, but if you can just take one more step.

02:25:36.314 --> 02:25:41.439
[UNKNOWN]: If you can just take one more step, you can overcome.

02:25:42.540 --> 02:25:44.782
[UNKNOWN]: And you can achieve that goal.

02:25:45.022 --> 02:25:47.725
[UNKNOWN]: So go out there and get after it.

02:25:48.866 --> 02:25:49.927
[UNKNOWN]: And that's all we've got for tonight.

02:25:50.207 --> 02:25:51.949
[UNKNOWN]: Until next time, this is Carrie and