562: The Deadly Cost of Bad Leadership. Lessons From Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. With Bing West

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Jocopontcast number 562 with echo Charles and me, Jocopo-Willink.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good evening, I go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: General Matthew Bunker, Ridgeway.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, the last podcast we did, this name was mentioned briefly, and I kind of did a little inquisitive dig on these various individuals that were mentioned, and I thought that this guy immediately else.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hmm, we got some information here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This guy was born in 1895.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In Virginia, his dad was an artillery officer, so he's already just a, you know, born into the business grew up on military bases eventually went to West Point.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was manager of the football team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You have old prejudice against that?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know, because I think manager the old school manager is means like coach, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, he was like, I think he was like this, he was a student, he wasn't, he wasn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, coach, he was like, we know, manager.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, okay.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't have, but it is, it's like, in our team, there was the coaches, and then I guess a student assistance, and then there's the managers, that's like the water boy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's the manager.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Graduated number 56 in a class of 139 individuals.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, little bit on the lower end of the spectrum, but as we heard on the last podcast doesn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What that means this guy might be good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The best leaders generally speaking aren't coming number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not that there hasn't been number one, but I'm just saying his generalization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He graduated in 1917, which by the way, two weeks after America entered World War 1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Immediately commissioned as an infantry officer, thinks he's going to go get some guess what he doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's stationed like down by Mexico in World War 1.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're not happy about it after the war is over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: God, I can't imagine missing that war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's spent time at the Army infantry school, 15th Infantry Regiment in China, spent time in Nicaragua.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's an advisor in the Philippines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went to the Army Commanding General Staff School.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He went to Army War College.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the assistant chief of staff for six corps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He was the deputy chief of staff in the second army.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of moved up the ranks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And in World War II, he's the assistant division commander for the 82nd infantry division under general Omar Bradley.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually he's promoted a two star general.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's command of the 82nd division, which eventually became the 82nd airborne division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They fought in Sicily, they fought under the parts of Italy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Eventually jumped in with his troops for the D-Day invasion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: also jumped in to Operation Market Garden was fought in the Battle of the Bulge, and by the way, how old is he at this point?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Was it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's like 45, something like that, 45 years old, to get an after it wounded by a German grenade in 1945.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, pressed on, led throughout the invasion of war of Germany.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Standard assignments kind of between World War II and Korea, which wasn't a very long period of time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like five or five years, six years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then the Korean War, he took over command of the 8th Army in Korea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: After their generals killed in a deep accident, and they had been retreating.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of a rough situation that the 8th Army was in.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He comes in and kind of does a turnaround.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does a turnaround with the 8th Army.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when General MacArthur gets relieved by President Truman, Ridgeway, becomes from his promoted the Supreme UN commander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He eventually becomes the Chief of Staff of the Army, disagreed with the politicians and the staff.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted to drop nukes in Vietnam and he was like, what do we do in here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he also, he also was part of this group called The Wise Men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is after he retired in 1955.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But eventually he became like an advisor.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These wise men advisors to advising President Johnson about the Vietnam War.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Johnson didn't listen, unfortunately.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because he was a guy that was going, listen, they were saying, oh yeah, you know, the Vietnamese and the Chinese were not going to keep fighting like they, you know, our leadership underestimated the will of the Vietnamese people and the will of the Chinese people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was like, hey, I fought these people.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I fought them in Korea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to tell you right now, their will is a lot stronger, they're not going to break.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't listen to him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But despite the fact that Johnson, who, as you know, is not one of my favorite people, is one of my least favorite presidents.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the fact that this guy didn't like him, I'm down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Omar Bradley said that the turning of the tide in the Korean war, that that ridgeway orchestrated, was the greatest feat of personal leadership in the history of the army.

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[SPEAKER_01]: coming from Omar Bradley, bro.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is legit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he wrote an article in, it's about leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He wrote in 1966, and it's got some pretty powerful lessons for all of us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so let's get into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: leadership, that's the name of the article, but General Matthew Ridgeway, what do they got a little footnote in here, what do they say?

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[SPEAKER_01]: General Matthew Ridgeway commanded his 82nd Airborne Division during World War II in North Africa, Sicily in France, the 18th Airborne Corps in Belgium in Germany, Deputy Spring Alley, Commander in the Mediterranean, assumed commander of the 8th Army in the US in Korea in 1950.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's kind of what I want over.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a little biowanum.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get into it, leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In discussing the subject of leadership, I'm struck by two diametrically opposed concepts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is kind of the thing that draws me in when I'm reading something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I see a lead in like that, I go hold on a second, one conceives leadership as an exact science capable of being understood and practiced by anyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This view is ably developed by Colonel Sherman L. Kaiser, US Army retired in his book, The American Concept of Leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: An opposite concept holds that no amount of learning will make a man a leader unless he has natural qualities of one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So one person says the science, the person says it's like you're born with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This latter view

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[SPEAKER_01]: was that of General Sir Archibald P. Wayvelle and his expounded in his published lectures in General's and General Ship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And we did a podcast with him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wanting out with him, but about him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One concept treats the leadership of the science the other as an art.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I inclined strongly to Wayvelle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: while recognizing that there are many principles or truths pertaining to the exercise of leadership and while firmly believing that powers of leadership can be greatly increased in any individual through knowledge of these principles and in practice of their application.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still think the variables of human nature combined with those of combat and to a lesser degree, those in peace time training make the exercise of leadership far more of an art than a science.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I have to make this note, art.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When we think of art, a lot of times I do, I don't like to tell me what you think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you think of art as a skill or as a blessing?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess.

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[SPEAKER_00]: my full answer is both okay but yeah it's like a blessing is like creativity is the blessing part of it and then like you're whatever your output is that's kind of the skill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I just want to mention that I agree with you, but I think people underestimate the amount of skill that is in art and my classic case is a guy named John Bozac.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So Bozac, he drew like he drew the warrior kid stuff, but when we were kids, he was an awesome artist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always thought that was just he just was born that way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so listen, was he born with some natural talent?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he was, but I, but he told me and I saw him over the years.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would draw all the time, he was practicing all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He would like to draw something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't look good, draw again, didn't look good, draw again, look a little bit better, draw again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's literally practicing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so to think that because I think people make the mistake of thinking that because something is an art, you can't get better at it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not true.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when the art is also a skill or at least there are skills around it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Probably what you said is accurate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe even more accurate than you think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is the creativity is the thing that's kind of a blessing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we may or may not get that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'll say right now there's people out there and I've talked about this like you've got to squeeze your brain to get some creativity out of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the creativity might not just show up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it does, hopefully, but if it doesn't, like, you know, you gotta force it, you gotta keep working it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you write every day, eventually there's gonna be something good comes out on paper.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes, I believe also, that there's obviously, there's a science, there's some level of science leadership with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What does he call him here?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: Principles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, I talk about the principles of leadership all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's principles.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's individual knowledge And but then there's the arts side, but I got to remember a lot of the arts side is really just a skill It's the skill of leadership and you get better with it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get better over time just like when you were younger and you're in a leadership position And you did you approach something this way and you kind of did this thing and you get older You're like, no, that wasn't a good move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You get better at it

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, continue on, this of course, there is of course a great deal of bad leadership as well as good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It too deserves study so that its pitfalls may be avoided.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But in general, I believe that bad leadership is the result of either the violation of basic principles or the lack or failure to develop one or more of the qualities of good leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In any event, I want to speak now of

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[SPEAKER_01]: latter to the combat leadership of large units, division, core, and army.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The chief ingredients of leadership, as I have known, it to be exercised by those whose careers I have studied, or under whose command I was privileged to serve, are three.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I call them the three sees, character, courage, and competence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, there's this big

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[SPEAKER_01]: His big leadership needs ingredients, character, courage and competence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Character is the bedrock on which the whole edifice of leadership rests.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is the prime element for which every profession, every corporation, every industry searches and evaluating a member of its organization.

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[SPEAKER_01]: with it, the full worth of an individual can be developed without it, particularly in the military profession, failure in peace, disaster in war, or at best, mediocrity in both will result.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So his out of the gate, the foundation of everything is character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: what I like to see good kind of gets into it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, types of character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We often use this word character carelessly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are those of notoriously evil character, as well as those of exemplary one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yet, it is, yet, it's usual acceptation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It stands for those magnificent traits, which placed George Washington first among his countrymen, and in fact, made him the father of his country, the unanimous choice for our first president.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It stands for, and it being the word character.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It stands for character stands for the time honored code of the officer core.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It stands for self-discipline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Loyalty, readiness to accept responsibility and willingness to admit mistakes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It stands for selflessness, modesty, humility, willingness to sacrifice when necessary and, in my opinion, for faith in God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: let me illustrate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, very important to understand where this word character gets thrown around all the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm sure we could tweak this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could modify it, we could put some spin on it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's very important.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I've talked about, kind of universally respected things, universally respected values, and discipline, like when you and I are walking, and we see it's late at night, you're driving home, you see a guy all running.

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[SPEAKER_01]: you know what I mean like we all go hell yeah you know what I'm saying when someone's loyal we all go hell yeah you know when someone stands up in the situation for their boy hell yeah loyalty right willingness to admit mistakes um i guess we wrote a book about that extreme ownership readiness to accept responsibility wrote a book about that extreme ownership selflessness that's what a hero is universally universally we respect the the person that's

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, can you get these foreign jellaments?

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, no, you're going to look up for number one.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, there's foreign jellaments that are idiots.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or no, I'm not idiots, but there's foreign jellaments that don't believe what most people think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Humility, obviously most important characters are for a leadership and for a person willing to sacrifice for necessary, of course, and faith.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that's what we're talking about here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what this guy is saying is the fellow, you have to have these things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and he's going to illustrate it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: During a critical phase of the Battle of Bulge, when I commanded the 18th Airborne Corps, another Corps commander just entering the fight next.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next to me, remarked, I'm glad to have you on my flank, it's character that counts.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I had long known him and knew what he meant.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I replied that goes for me too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was no amplification.

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[SPEAKER_01]: None was necessary.

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[SPEAKER_01]: each new the other would stick however great the pressure would extend help before it was asked if he could and would tell the truth seek no self-lury and everlastingly keep his word.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Such feeling breeds confidence and success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's when you know somebody and you know they're going to be there for you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's powerful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Self-discipline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Only those who have disciplined themselves can exact disciplined performance from others.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the chips are down.

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[SPEAKER_01]: when privation mounts and the casualty rate rises when the crisis is at hand which commander ayask receives the better response.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the one who has failed to share the rough going with his troops who has rarely seen in the zone of aimed fire and who expects much and gives little?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or is it the one whose every thought is for the welfare of his men, consistent with the accomplishment of his mission, who does not ask them to do what he has not already done and stands ready to do again when necessary, who with his men has shared short rations, the physical discomforts and rigors of campaign, and will be found at the crisis of action where the issues are to be decided.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Who's getting followed?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's to do you even have to ask that question, rhetorical question.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't like that guy who's failed to share the rough zone, who hasn't been an aim fire, who's slacking.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We want to follow the guy that's been there with us.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I know your answer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Self-disciplined, self-controlled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and so in control of others, no matter how tough the going, Washington at the Battle of Long Island and at Valley Forge, grant at Shiloh, Mackenzie of the Fourth Cavalry in his epic raid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The junior officer pursuing hostile Indians in sub-zero weather on our western plains, closing up at dark for a dawn attack with no fires permitted, and only cold rations if any before each hour, much the same, many times in Korea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and I am sure under equally arduous conditions in Vietnam today.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The young ship commander named Kennedy his patrol torpedo boat sunk in action is crew safely on the beach, then swimming out and shark-infested waters to try and intercept a friendly destroyer and rescue his men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: these, and it's interesting, the root of those actions are self-discipline, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The world's annals are filled, and our own are studied with such the with the names of such men of all services and all grades.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Always ready to assume responsibilities, they could always assign them to others and know they would be willingly accepted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to themselves and their conscious, their men sense they will be true to them, giving them full credit and frankly admitting mistakes and accepting responsibility when they themselves are to blame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what people are looking for.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what people see and believe me, they see it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: General Washington wrote to Congress from Valley Forge, quote, without arrogance or the smallest deviation from the truth, it may be said that no history now exempt can furnish an instance of an army's suffering such uncommon hardships as ours have done and bearing them with the patience and fortitude.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To see men without clothes, to clothes, their nakedness, without blankets to lie on, without shoes, by which their marches might be traced by the blood from their feet, and almost is often without providence, without provisions, as with, marching through frost and snow.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that Christmas taking up their winter quarters within a day's march of the enemy, without a house or a hut to cover themselves, till they could be built.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and submitting to it without a murmur is a mark of patience and obedience which in my opinion can scarce be paralleled and quote.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And what Washington did not say, a mark of his own unacceled leadership, and I witnessed report of Lee after Pickett's failure stated his face did not show the slightest disappointment, care or annoyance, and he adrift addressed every soldier he met with a few words of encouragement.

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[SPEAKER_01]: all will come right in the end.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk over, we'll talk it over afterwards, and to a brigade commander speaking angrily of heavy losses of his men, never mind general, all this has been my fault.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is I who have lost this fight, and you must help me out of it the best way you can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's generally taking ownership after pick its charge at Gettysburg.

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[SPEAKER_01]: for leadership, through willingness to admit mistakes and instantly accept responsibility, I think history can offer few examples to surpass this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So this came out, this is articles written in 1966.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would love to tell you that through research, I thought, you know, I figured out that taking ownership was the best of the move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It wasn't through research, it was through what I saw my own experience, you know, seeing people that took ownership and seeing that people

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[SPEAKER_01]: willingness to sacrifice, archabled Rutledge once wrote that there can be no real love without a willingness to sacrifice, tuck this away in your inner minds, and may pay often some crisis coming to you in the years now hidden beyond the horizon.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you love your country and its flag?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you love the branch in which you are serving them with the men, the men with whom you'll be privileged to share your service and command?

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you do,

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[SPEAKER_01]: then you will be prepared to sacrifice for them if your responsibilities or situations so demands.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The commander of torpedo squadron eight at midway, the four army chaplains on the torpedoed SS doorchester off Iceland in pre-dawn darkness in February of 1942.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the many aircraft commanders who have ordered a band-in-ship then stuck long overdue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's talk over long to the controls to ensure their last man was out.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Courage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second C could well be treated as a trait of character as indeed it is.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yet it deserves, I believe, a separate category for I know of not one recipient of history's acclade for battle leadership of enduring fame who is not known for great gallantry.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, now we're going to do this courage thing, physical and moral courage.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There are two kinds of courage, physical and moral, and he who would be a true leader must have both.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both are products of character forming process of the development of self-control, self-discipline, physical endurance, of knowledge of one's job, and therefore of confidence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're interesting, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We think of like courage as just something that you either have or you don't have, but according to him, which I'm an agreement with, it's the product of character forming process.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the development of self-control.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's self-discipline.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's physical endurance.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's those things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: courage is going to be built up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: These qualities minimize fear and maximize sound judgment under pressure with some of that indispensable stuff called luck.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Often bring success from seemingly hopeless situations, putting aside impulsive acts of reckless bravery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: both kinds of courage to speak, which with the none the wrong of that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is, hey, impulsive acts of reckless bravery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep, that's, that's still bravery.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's not, let's not just kind of, we should put that on a pedestal like there's that, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Both kinds of courage, bespeak an untrubbled conscious, a mind at peace with God.

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[SPEAKER_01]: An example is Colonel John H. Glenn, who is asked after his first rocket flight.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he had been worried and who replied, I am trying to live the best I can.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My peace has been made with my maker for a number of years, so I had no particular worries.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Examples of physical courage are neither confined to combat nor limited to a stouthearted few, but are common throughout the world among men and women of every color, creed, race, and age in peace as well as war.

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[SPEAKER_01]: However, examples of moral courage are less well-known.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They can be considered proof of true greatness of soul.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where the individual has not measured up, he has generally failed fortunes bid to fame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, such incidents most frequently found in war are those where the career of the leader is at stake and where his actions or decisions will determine the saving or slaughter of many of his men.

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[SPEAKER_01]: History is full of these cases, the lore of glory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the fear of being fought afraid of losing personal power and prestige.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The mistaken idea that blind obedience to orders has no alternative.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All have been followed by tragic losses of lives with little to no gain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So here you're talking about the moral courage side of things.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like this isn't happening out on the battlefield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is like, oh,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a situation as a military leader where I'm being told to do something, I'm being told to send my men to go do something and I don't agree with it and he's saying countless times the lore of glory.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The fear of being fought afraid of what you can't do is you scare deco, right, losing personal power and prestige.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Ecos going down in my respect level because he's not stepping up and doing what I told him to do because he's a little bit scared.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, to clarify moral courage is essentially like having the courage to stand up to something, not necessarily like, you know, charge up.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exceeding on this, like stand up to go outside of maybe like what's sociological or societal or structural, yes, confines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: somebody says, hey, I'm not doing this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you could even look at Hackworth at the end of the Vietnam War when he was like, all right, you want to interview me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to tell you what's going on.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he gets strummed out of the army.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He had to have the moral courage to say what he said.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, was it an emotional decision?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and they even asked him in that interview.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't you think you could be emotional about this?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, yeah, I've seen so many studs be wounded and killed that there's no way I could be here without being emotional about it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and yeah, to me that's part of it can be it's that's that's that's less relevant.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if it's emotional or a logical desire or something.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's essentially going against what the status quo, the whatever out of uh, during doing the right thing doing the right thing and and and also you are now going to be or at least you could be punished in some way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it's not like, hey, I'm going to you're going to go to jail.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But maybe it's, oh, you're going to get demoted.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get

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[SPEAKER_00]: ostracized from whatever, yes, clear, yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So continuing on history often glosses over the countless thousands of lives which would have been fruitlessly sacrificed to pull through the pull of power, prestige and publicity.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hague's Flanders campaign in 1970 is a conspicuous example.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here, a hundred thousand men were sacrificed for the gain of a thousand yards of almost a bottomless morass.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like a bog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a marsh.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So for a thousand yards of marsh, a hundred thousand men were killed, it's freaking disgusting.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is easy to gamble with other people's money and sometimes easier still with other men's lives, particularly when your own is in no great danger.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You remember the commander's conference prior to one of the big offensive in World War I, when a core commander whose command post was miles behind the front spoke out during a low in the meeting, saying, I'd give 10,000 men to take that hill.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the liaison officer from a frontline infantry unit remarked to a brother officer standing beside him in the back of the room generous isn't he?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, those World War I officers, or leaders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I, the, there's a war memorial in Minneapolis that I spoke at one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it was made after World War I.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And as you go, as you're walking into like the main area, there's all these names on the wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're made, they're just like scribed on the wall.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's all the killed, it's all the killed.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Soldiers marines are on this wall little tiny writing like you have to walk up next to it and then you get it It this hallway leads you into this big I don't know what to call it big room Where they have these giant paintings slash statues of all these leaders of all the world war one leaders and like I I still get

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[SPEAKER_01]: like this really angry when I think about that because those leaders were terrible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like those world war lawmakers were just sending people to their deaths and more by the way, they were in the rear and they were saying, I'd give 10,000 men take that hill and sure enough, they actually did that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like they said that, no, they did that and they did it over and over again.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 100,000 men for a thousand yards of a bog.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like that's, that's just sickening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Generous, isn't it?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Opposition orders.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The military services deal harshly as they should with failure to carry out orders in battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The commander present on the scene is entitled to full, instant, and enthusiastic execution by subordinates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yet when faced with different situations from those anticipated, as well as the transition from plans to orders, there are sometimes comes the challenge to one's conscience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the compelling urge to oppose full-hardy operations before it is too late, before the orders are issued and lives are needlessly thrown away.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I had to, um...

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[SPEAKER_01]: wrote about this and took out of my readership, but you know, we were getting told we had to take a certain number of Iraqi soldiers in the field and it and it meant I was going to be sending, you know, whatever 20 Iraqi soldiers and two or three seals out in the field made no sense, made no sense, it was totally unsafe and eventually I said, hey, well, not eventually when this got.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ordered to me.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I raised my hand today boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This doesn't make any sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Here's why that's a situation where you know again I'm not trying to make it a big deal wasn't I got this like home sacrifice in my career anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't need to

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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's one of the, sometimes the orders that come down, they don't make sense to you on the front lines.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, I had a good relationship with my boss.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I explained the situation, it's like, yeah, cool, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of other situations like that in my career, but that's the one that just comes to mind because we wrote about it, it's like, oh yeah, you can't just blindly follow orders if they don't make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You raise your hand, if you have a good relationship, you get told, yeah, okay, that makes sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what he's talking about here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes you get orders on, then it doesn't quite make sense.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You gotta know and to stand up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the leader may be faced with the decision.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shall I take the responsibility of discarding the original mission?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Shall I take the initiative and strive for success along different lines?

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will then have to put those questions to his conscience.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Blind obedience, said Napoleon Bonaparte, is due only to a superior present on the spot at the moment of action.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I concur.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he's like, yeah, people will listen to you if you're right there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I still support a statement of mine of some years ago, and this is a quote he's quoting himself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is long seemed to me that the hard decisions are not the ones you make in the heat of battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Far harder to make are those involved in speaking your mind about some hair-brain scheme, which proposes to commit troops to action under conditions where failure seems almost certain, and the only results will be the need to sacrifice of priceless lives.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When all is said and done, the most precious asset any nation has is its youth and for a battle commander, ever to condone the unnecessary sacrifice of his men is inexcusable.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In any action, you must balance the inevitable cost in lives against the objectives you seek to attain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless the results to be expected can reasonably justify the estimated loss of life,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I want none of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what good leaders are doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And man, there are some people that don't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They don't want to be told, though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Some really bad leaders out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They come up with their freaking, what is he called?

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[SPEAKER_01]: The hair brain idea.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the, yeah, he used hair brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, it's H-A-R.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like a rabbit brain.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Wait, is that how it's always been?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I believe so.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hair brain.

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[SPEAKER_01]: to do we we learned something new every day as I put it out do you're not the only one I thought you know who the hair you're the head yeah you know it's hair it's like a little bunny rabbit like carrying on general George C. Marshall

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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the noblest men who is worn the American uniform since Washington once said of decisions of this kind it is hard to get men to do this for his win you lay your career perhaps your commission on the line so yeah when you got to stand up and say look we're not doing this this doesn't make any sense twice in my personal experience as a division commander i felt compelled to protect against tactical decisions that were about

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[SPEAKER_01]: The first occasion was the plan to drop on Rome in September of 1943.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I've recounted the incident in some detail in my book's soldier.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Recently, however, published memorals of German generals, then present in Rome in the Rome area have confirmed my views.

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[SPEAKER_01]: One passage from the account of that incident illustrates the point I wish to make.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is from his book.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When the time comes that I must meet my maker, the source of most humble pride to me will be not the accomplishments in battle, but the fact that I was guided to make the decision to expose this plan at the risk of my career right up to the theater commander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The drop was not ordered.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were wanting him to drop in a room, Paris, and he was like, no, not a good call.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't think we should do it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And he was able to hold it off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The second experience was a proposed attack by the 82nd against the Volcano River where the Germans had brought the Allied advance to a halt.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The sector chosen involved getting across an unforetable river.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, after an advance of roughly 1,000 yards across open flat terrain, the attack and seizure of a line of hills curving away from the river on one flank, then like a bow curving back to the stream again on the other flank of the attack zone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So that the assaulting troops would be under concentrated fire from the front and both flanks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The friggin nightmare.

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[SPEAKER_01]: While the proposal to use the 82nd was a high compliment since it was the weakest numerically and the most lightly armed of any of the divisions in the Fifth Army, I could only view the proposed operation as a suicide mission that would result in the loss of the most of most of the assaulting troops and then with small chance of success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I could not accept such a mission without protest.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But first I decided to discuss the plan with General Lucien K. Trusket.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Commanding General, U.S. Third Infantry Division, a field commander conspicuous for competence and gallantry and an old friend.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He said he wouldn't touch it with a 40-foot pole, even with his heavier division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I spoke my mind.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First to the core commander, under whom the operation was to be mounted, and I recall I used the word

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[SPEAKER_01]: And finally, to the army commander, the plan was canceled.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the use of the word fantastic, it's not like fantastic good, which is kind of how that word has morphed for us to think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It means like fantastical, like, fanciful, like unrealistic, and practical.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was like, dude, this is a fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Basically, yeah, this is a fan, your plan is a fantasy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So he stood up, got told to do something that didn't make sense, he stood up, discussed it with a couple of friends.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, let me bounce this off and you brother seems a little crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I wouldn't touch that with a 44-pole and I have freaking behead of your weapons and you have a more people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a good move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Then he went and stood up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In action and out, there's often a thin dividing line between recklessness, boldness, and caution.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Even later study of battle records may fail to erase that line, for his next to impossible to reconstruct the exact picture as it was thrown on the screen of the commander's brain at any particular crisis of combat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yet experience your own and that of others which you have absorbed together with common sense will be your best guides and with good luck we'll see you through.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So knowing when to say when is critically important and being able to have the moral courage to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Next section, right after moral courage, physical fitness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Physical fitness comes under competence.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The third of my three basic ingredients of leadership.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It plays a great part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My own earlier training at Fort Leavenworth for bending Fort Sam Houston with the second division with the 33rd Infantry in the Panama area and with the airborne paid off in battle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: First is a division, then is a core and finally as an army commander.

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[SPEAKER_01]: because of strenuous and unremitting physical training I was able to keep up with the best of my troops in the hottest sectors and the toughest terrain and climate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Again, this dude's 45, 47 years old jumping into this shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Props.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish he had a little bit more on his unremitting physical training because like back in the day, what were you doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it'd be videos or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel it's just what I do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Of, um, it feels like everyone is in better general shape for sure than everyone.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the feet of strength nowadays seem like they go harder than they might have back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, I mean, there's a bunch of reason behind that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, we like, we specialize now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, really.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Doods aren't just focusing their life on a thousand pound deadly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We are now.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And not to mention, we have steroids.

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[SPEAKER_01]: better training protocols, better nutrition protocols.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, at the fringe high ends of these things, you're going to get the, you're going to get better numbers, but a hundred percent to back in the day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like when you see pictures of the California beach, like beach people in like 1962, bro, everyone's kind of in shape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like everyone's just kind of blank in shape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Never mind,

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[SPEAKER_01]: thing that like the John F. Kennedy like physical fitness program that they ran at some couple schools out in California.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they have these giant like obstacle courses and every guy is just freaking jacked.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I shouldn't say jack.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like everyone in the right, like highly physically fit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're doing rope climbs and they're doing ellipses.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Pollocks.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's never doing polls.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're doing monkey bars.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, that shit is so epic.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you have that video, you ever seen the video?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a, yeah, it's a video of Kenny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think he actually says like, there's nothing worse than like a fat kid.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he actually says those words.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, he's just put it out there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was just a different time, but, you know, obviously we have our food broms, which is probably the biggest culprit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's not the biggest culprit, it's at least in the game with sedentary lifestyle.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Sitting around playing video games, sitting around scrolling on your phone, sitting around watching TV, like all those things didn't exist.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to watch cartoons on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There was like Saturday was like a cartoon day.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The window.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We get the big bowl.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I used to get the big bowl of lucky charms.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I would just sit there and watch, you know, like,

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[SPEAKER_01]: probably two hours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe an hour and a half.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'd forget the number, but like of cartoons on Saturday.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like, all right, did the socks and you just go go outside and go run around and do shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not, and you didn't have the option and you kind of knew consciously and subconsciously you didn't have the option of anything else.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, after that two hours, then I would say that's about right two hours, right four cartoons.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this half hour,

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something, and the cartoons would get progressively less popular, so you'd be like, oh, here's your after about two.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, but you can't like, um, scroll to the next one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I know.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't like there's commercials on there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, have you ever watched something with commercials like recently?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly, bro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know, I got DVR, you know, yeah, you fast forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's fast forward.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Do that shit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you, if I get subjected to commercial right now, I'm like, yeah, I'm not watching this.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's how that's how trained our brains are.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And just like, give me what I want right now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: yeah and it's available yeah back then none of it's available it's like scarce actually and you can kind of I mean maybe as adults now we might not then you probably will so sometimes everyone's at all right I'll be like watching TV like regular life TV yeah like channels yeah and like let's say

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this was long time ago, but still in recent, the recent pass I'd say.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Predator was on Predator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was on like USA with commercials, you know, like censored, you know, like it was on TV though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And it was more interesting.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I literally have the DVD of Predator.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think I have it on like Amazon Prime, too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Go watch Predator whenever I want, the full version.

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[SPEAKER_00]: but it was on TV and I was interested in it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I watched the commercials or like the second commercial came back on.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well I sat through like let's say nine and six to the commercial wasn't that long.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, five ten minutes of predator and watching sitting there, it had my attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: In theory or on paper it should not have my attention.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I watched Predator whenever I want any part of it I want I can freaking rewind it and repeat it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I can do whatever I want with Predator But it was since it was on TV it was kind of scarce.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You see him saying so that idea of that Didn't even make it through the first commercial.

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[SPEAKER_00]: No, no, no, I don't know well I'm watching TV so I don't know like watching TV is not that fun I don't know if you ever ever watch like unless it's like the new the local not like the old days where like TV was like That's what we're doing right right different now

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[SPEAKER_01]: We used to watch like what my dad will watch the news every night with a Walter Cronkite, you know, so that was kind of like a thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I wasn't I wouldn't watch it with him, but I met watched, you know, like a few minutes of it, just like who's his born and I'll do what he talked about the world.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What ever, that's the way it is, what ever, I'm over here trying to fill rocks at shit, you know, just dumb.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a guy who would come on at four.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, at 40, watch him.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you see, I know you're in a mgaver.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that was a little bit yup.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I was a little old for that, I think.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it just never really fired me up too much.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it too bad?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, golden.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Magnum PI used to watch that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah, you know, that's it, a little bit by the way.

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[SPEAKER_01]: For sure, of course.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, he's a seal, a team guy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, a team guy, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But but that idea Jack car goes deep you're seeing Jack car Jack car like post about Magnum And it's like he goes hard He's a Magnum fan.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'd well, I don't know Magnum fan too.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but and Jack cars right like when you watch some of those some of the episodes

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[SPEAKER_01]: they're like ptsd kind of flashback type scenarios and like some brotherhood type like it's it's kind of a you know it's it's it's like pointing in the direction of modern kind of understanding of combat and stuff like that and the wooly guy moving from combat to civilian sector but it's it's it is a damn good show and I will say this I try to get my wife like I try to like go like because you can watch it now

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know on some service you can just watch start watching Magnum PI and I try to watch it a bit And it was a didn't quite get me that couldn't go full jack car on you know a couldn't go full Hey, no, I all respect all respect and my wife actually went and saw Thomas Magnum Tom Selleck at like a speech thing because he wrote a book And you know she was like always super cool so she's been kind of so I might try and Reattach Magnum yeah

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[SPEAKER_01]: But Jack Carr, he's all about it, but he has like a DVD collection.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I want him to say, I do want another dimension magnum PI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So magnum PI.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I wonder how Jack Carr feels about I could ask him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the new man because there's a remake of Magna Pia is out.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's old.

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[SPEAKER_00]: They're ready.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like 2010.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He left us all 13.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It was all right.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Not nothing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's absolutely nothing compared to the original in my opinion.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The cool thing is is Magna Piai instead of being like this kind of stereotypical tough guy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's Magna.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's funny.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of chilly.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He does some dumb shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Some ladies man.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's got all these kind of things that you wouldn't quite predict.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What the first look at the script that I got, the opening was like Uncle Jake comes in, he's, you know, got a beard and tattoos and all this stuff and it was kind of like your modern kind of stereotypical special operations that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, no, I'm like, you know, clean cut, just very, I want to, I want to be normal looking, you know, athletic, whatever, but, but not to be just a stereotypical, hey, this guy, oh, this guy is clearly some kind of a special operation's veteran, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wanted him, and that's kind of, I wanted to be kind of...

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[SPEAKER_01]: More normal and I'm even talking to Pratt about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like dude like it's fun to be a seal and seals can be funny And they're not always serious and it's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, and so What that's what I think Magnum kind of caught that Magnum have like this guy and if I go have to ask Jack car because I think I don't think they kind of made him into a seal until a little bit later in the series if I remember correctly

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't remember him being a seal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know I didn't know what that was back then.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my dad would watch it and we'd watch it with him.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was just a sick action show.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't know why.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, all day.

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[SPEAKER_00]: And that guy always had chicks around them and stuff like this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So that didn't end up Ferrari though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'd say?

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[SPEAKER_00]: And I didn't realize that wasn't his for act.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's one of those, I know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It was, uh...

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[SPEAKER_01]: Higgins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, no, no, it's Rob and Rob.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rob and Rob.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That wasn't a master Robbins.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's his name?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rob and Masters.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Something like that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Higgins was kind of a cool character, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always liked, I always liked the British military.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I was a kid, I was really into the British commando's, like, those, those kind of my jam.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And so you had Higgins who was kind of like this British type dude, and I was like, okay, in the remake Higgins is a girl.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Same position.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Why did they do that kind of shit?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess she's like a special secret Something but a girl who yeah, so is the new Magnum no good good It's it's fun.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was fun.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like back on the season is you have former seal.

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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a decorated If I'm not mistaken, he's a neve seal, but I forget I don't know it cuz it just has it in the intro I don't know that they it's all right, you know, but not compared to the Tom's that like Tom's that looks all day not horrified.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh on the other hand

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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the review was better the new one.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I got into a lot more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Is anyone we know in that other people?

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[SPEAKER_00]: I know for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like who?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, oh, I know he died the T. Ela Tuleer and you'll see the big the same way He was he was a like one of the main characters in now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh shit.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then I'm Scott Con.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know James Con and Scott Con What exactly?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know him from like um

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[SPEAKER_00]: he's in a bunch of movies, he's got kind of some one of the main guys, and then so the guy my girl, he might not be, he's in some romantic news, but nonetheless a freaking good team, you know how people, what they call chemistry, you know on screen, kind of like how they're fun, and like that, they had a heavy doses of that, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Going back to where we got this friggin' tangent Magna Pia, I don't know, but before that we're just talking about fitness, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: And how back in the day, when you see these people back in the day, it's like everyone was more fit Yes, because they had better food and you couldn't sit around You could watch Magna Pia, but that was gonna give you one hour A one day a week one hour, it wasn't

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, probably there's so much content that you can just, you can just do that for a rest of your life, you know, it's kind of like the movie The Matrix, you know what I mean?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You live your life through this fantasy that you're watching on your screen, you know, never and never ending it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's how you survive this feeding you the green slot through the tube and you're just like, just, just you're hooked me up back up The Matrix.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Let me see this stuff more.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you think about it, it kind of gets spooky beyond the normal obvious spookiness.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you know how like, you can watch like the best movie in the world after like 90 minutes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You're ready for it to wrap up, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're attention and the way it gets boring, you know?

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[SPEAKER_00]: But the scroll never gets boring.

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[SPEAKER_01]: not to think so now if you're like if that's just how it is oh yeah it's like the mates are like you're literally plugged in because it's not like you're plugged in and you're and your your life is fake because your life is in that little thing that you're watching right there for 18 seconds yeah that's what it is just feeding just hook this slop tube up to my like

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[SPEAKER_01]: My stomach just pumped the sugar slop right in there directly and just let me keep watching this and love some shit Passed by my eyes and make me feel good for 18 seconds.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, okay And again, forever six seconds at a time nine seconds at a time like this is it This is what I'm gonna see

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[SPEAKER_01]: I thought of it and still do think of it as back then we'll send the 80s and 90s or yeah and before before of course I'm sending it You're gonna park around 70s for your boy right over here Because the 70s when I was watching TV, you know like I was I mean I was born in 1971 Yeah, so you know by the time it's 1970 767778 I'm watching TV, you know you had the ability to watch TV in the 70s for me

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, in a nutshell, you had to work for everything, everything, even the small thing, you had to go through a commercial.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so weird how a commercial's just been just been turned into like an obstacle, you know?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Where I'm like, oh, you got it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I rather than just not watch this thing whenever it's acceptable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's acceptable.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, back then you had to work for everything now and it's time goes on you have to work less and less and less Yeah, everything to the point where but they will literally deliver your food Whatever whatever whatever.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean look we live in San Diego, California Anything that you want to eat

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can have delivered to your house in forty five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, anything you name it anything that you want to eat anything Yeah, because we got to we got some different cultural like you could think of some worldwide foods and you'd still be able to get it in San Diego Like somebody bringing to your door in forty five minutes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be there still warm good to go So that's how the bar has been lowered

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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't make it unless they hook the feeding to the sugar feed tube into your stomach or just like it's just, you know, it's just willing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you just press it like a button like when you see people in the hospital hitting the dose for their, for their pain killer.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's like, like, like, like, like that's what you're doing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just put the slop into my mouth.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, that's an extreme picture of it, but that's kind of what it is with the whole just pressing the button thing and action, you know, because everything is slowly, in a lot of case, rapidly becoming just press the button, instead of go out and work for it in whatever way, mental, physical, whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how I see the whole foundation of it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why, so between the food that we get, which is crap, process, junk,

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[SPEAKER_01]: outdoor slash physical activity that we do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But just imagine this, just imagine this part.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is like a micro, but imagine if you're in an office and you got to talk to somebody.

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[SPEAKER_01]: 20 years ago, you got up and went and talked to them.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you send him a direct message and you open a video chat.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even, you're just like, in here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In the South Park, you're using the South Park like when the guy's playing video games, he can't move anymore.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's just all fat and just like, he's playing whatever some video game.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're all turning into.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I don't have to get up and go and talk to this person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I can just send him a text message and just that's what that's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's true.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, look, you have to get up and answer your phone in your house.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even have to do that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to get up to change the channel.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Even texting someone is kind of more like a video game.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, for sure.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk in somebody for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Dang, that's crazy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Total detachment, plug you in, hook up the slot machine to your, and they want to put sugar on your tongue.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you got like sugar going on your tongue, but then the food.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That you need is going directly into your belly and then you just got your eyes or just like staring at the screen And it's like giving you this this nice low level satisfaction that you just can't get away from it It's just like I just love this.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I love it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing as opposed to as opposed to in 19 whatever 53 where it's like oh you want it you want to you want to stimulate

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[SPEAKER_01]: your brain cool you got to go outside grab a uh by the way a surfboard that weighs 38 pounds because it's made of ball so it's not quite as you know what I mean like everything that's what we're doing you want to impress someone you if you're a young man you want to impress a girl back in the day you had to like build a car you know what I'm saying yeah now you're just like filming yourself

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[SPEAKER_01]: You're just filming yourself.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean my god.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I got this freaking new shirt.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got to get back But you mentioned the feet of strength, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, those are higher now.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of paints like kind of a bigger picture if you got to use your brain though.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing

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[SPEAKER_00]: where it kind of produces these huge opportunities to do these outstanding things or whatever, but on a general level, it's pretty low bar.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's so many things that are trying to, you know, distract you and that idea of like your animal instincts, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Your animal instincts, which you have to tap into sometimes to like step up and make things happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But most of those

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[SPEAKER_01]: to sloth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They just lead to sloth.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They're just like, you don't need to move.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to do anything.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Just hook me up to my machine and just, you know, at some point, are they going to have, you ever seen those real like nice high end massage chairs?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so they're going to have something like that that you'll just like go into like a little pod and just go into it and it's going to, it's going to like drip sugar into your mouth with like a little bit of fat and then you're just going to have a screen in front of you and you're not going to have to move and you're just going

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[SPEAKER_00]: It actually gets worse than that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, so now you can, even now it's been like this for a while where it's like okay, but if you do that, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: You won't have like the muscularness that you want or the your body fat will be too high or whatever.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So like, oh well we got a solution for that too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to pillow for that.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Inject you with this you ever ever you've ever seen like fake abs people with fake abs, fake

55:53.282 --> 55:55.063
[SPEAKER_00]: But they'll, oh, you buy that, too.

55:55.223 --> 56:01.366
[SPEAKER_00]: For out whatever you like, you know, all the stuff that like all the way down to the stuff that literally exists because you earn it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: That's it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: It's only function of existing is because you earn it.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like strength and like all this stuff or whatever, no, no, no, don't worry.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a little bit of a little product for that as well.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm saying, so now you can sidestep all the work.

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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when back then you got to work for it, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Now we get sidestep all that work, bro.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hook you right up, I'm saying.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'll tell you what, unfortunately, we don't have his unremitting physical training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We could probably find some army version of physical training.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, back in the day, I'll try and see if I can research that and find something.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But we don't know what he was doing, but we know that physical fitness was important.

56:36.481 --> 56:41.985
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, let me mention briefly what I think the standards should be for commanders of large units.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The division commander should have the physical endurance, stamina, and reserves of his best infantry battalion commanders, because that is where he belongs with them, a good part of the time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The core commanders, those of his infantry regimental commanders, and the army commanders just about the same.

56:58.117 --> 57:01.820
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's basically saying you got to be able to hang with the people that are like one below you in the chain of command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And remember this, since no one can predict today, when you may be thrown into combat, perhaps with an hours of detaining and an overseas theater as happened to thousands in Korea, and as I have no doubt to many in Vietnam, you will have no time to get in shape.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You must be in shape all the time.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Freaking legit.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's another element in battlefield leadership, which I want to mention and illustrate.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a cardinal responsibility of a commander to foresee in so far as possible where and when crises affecting his command are likely to occur.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It starts with his initial estimate of the situation, a continuing mental process from the moment of entering the combat zone until his unit is pulled out of the line.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Ask yourself these questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What are the enemy capabilities?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What shall I do or what could I do if he should exercise that one of his capabilities which should be most dangerous to me?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Or most likely to interfere with the accomplishment of my mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something we always learned to ask these questions.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the end we call the enemy most likely course of action and most dangerous course of action?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So like what's the worst thing the enemy could do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this okay?

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are we going to handle that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: What's the most likely thing you're going to do?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, how are we going to handle that?

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[SPEAKER_01]: as a commander, as commander of a division or smaller unit, there will rarely be more than one crisis, one really critical situation facing you at any one time.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The commander belongs, that again, he's talking about it as the commander of a division.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're talking about like at the higher level.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There's only one really truly crit when you're like a platoon commander And there's like a person that shot and there's deer in the gunfight and you got one of you guys like that's all that that's a lot of problems at the same time The commander belongs right at the spot not at some rear command post

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[SPEAKER_01]: He's talking about the place where the critical stuff is happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He should be there before the crisis or rupture if possible.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If it is not possible, then he should get there as soon as he can after develops.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Once there, then by personal observation of terrain, enemy fires, reactions and attitudes of his own commanders on the spot, by his eyes, ears, brain, nose, and his sixth sense, he gets the best possible picture of what is happening and can best exercise his troop leadership and the full authority of his command.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to go there and see what's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can start help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can start help of every kind to his hard press subordinates.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He can urge higher commanders to provide additional fire support, artillery, air, other infantry weapons, and in the future, perhaps nuclear strikes.

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[SPEAKER_01]: okay we're going there.

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[SPEAKER_01]: No other means will provide the commander with what his personal perceptions can provide if he is present at the critical time in place.

01:00:00.788 --> 01:00:06.471
[SPEAKER_01]: He can personally intervene if he thinks that necessary and then he's got an interesting caveat which I'll surprise you through on here.

01:00:06.771 --> 01:00:12.574
[SPEAKER_01]: But only to the extent that such intervention will be helpful and not interviewer with his subordinates.

01:00:13.234 --> 01:00:17.380
[SPEAKER_01]: He is in a position to make instant decisions to defend withdrawal, attack, exploit, or pursue.

01:00:17.600 --> 01:00:24.630
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's interesting, he says, hey, when you show up there, you can make calls, but only if your whole call is gonna help out and not interfere with what these people are already doing.

01:00:27.250 --> 01:00:32.934
[SPEAKER_01]: If, at this time, he is at some rear command post, he will have to rely on reports from others.

01:00:33.014 --> 01:00:46.003
[SPEAKER_01]: And the time will be lost, perhaps just those precious moments which spell the difference between success and failure, notwithstanding the console capabilities of future television and combat.

01:00:46.883 --> 01:00:48.763
[SPEAKER_01]: I still believe what I have said is true.

01:00:49.023 --> 01:00:52.364
[SPEAKER_01]: In any event, keep this time factor ever in your mind.

01:00:52.984 --> 01:00:57.025
[SPEAKER_01]: It is one of the irretrevable, inextensible prices, elements, and war.

01:00:57.805 --> 01:00:59.685
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're saying in the future, there's gonna be some kind of TV.

01:01:01.146 --> 01:01:01.706
[SPEAKER_01]: He was right.

01:01:01.746 --> 01:01:02.286
[SPEAKER_01]: He called it.

01:01:02.366 --> 01:01:06.246
[SPEAKER_01]: You can watch this shit going down and you can try and tell people what to do that are out in the field.

01:01:07.507 --> 01:01:12.088
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna be able to do that a little bit better because we have such good communications, but it still is not a replacement yet.

01:01:12.428 --> 01:01:14.308
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know when it'll become a replacement, probably never will.

01:01:17.379 --> 01:01:20.243
[SPEAKER_01]: Relief of commanders, and by the way, this is firing people.

01:01:20.884 --> 01:01:24.308
[SPEAKER_01]: The occasion for the relief of commanders may regretably arise.

01:01:25.049 --> 01:01:27.172
[SPEAKER_01]: If it does, there are three points to consider.

01:01:27.533 --> 01:01:32.159
[SPEAKER_01]: Is your decision based on personal knowledge and observation or on second hand information?

01:01:32.780 --> 01:01:33.321
[SPEAKER_01]: That's important.

01:01:33.481 --> 01:01:37.724
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you always know there's some people at their personality class with someone else and now it's something they got beef.

01:01:38.966 --> 01:01:41.888
[SPEAKER_01]: What will the effect be on the command concerned?

01:01:42.669 --> 01:01:50.676
[SPEAKER_01]: Are you relieving a commander who's men think highly of him, even with affection, regardless of professional competence, and finally have you a better man available?

01:01:51.457 --> 01:01:52.738
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are big questions to ask.

01:01:54.085 --> 01:02:00.910
[SPEAKER_01]: Every man is entitled to go into battle with the best chance of survival, your forethought as a leader can provide.

01:02:01.650 --> 01:02:17.681
[SPEAKER_01]: What best helps you discharge this responsibility, sharing things with your men, to be always in the toughest spots, always where the crisis is, or seems most likely to develop, always thinking of what you can do to help give your commanders who are executing your orders.

01:02:18.362 --> 01:02:19.782
[SPEAKER_01]: Do your utmost to see

01:02:20.643 --> 01:02:44.944
[SPEAKER_01]: that the best in the rations, shelter, first aid, and evacuation facilities are available, being generous with praise, swift and fair with punishment when you have the facts, intolerant, intolerant of demonstrated failure in leadership on which lives depend, yet making full allowance for human weaknesses and the stresses and strains of battle on individuals.

01:02:46.358 --> 01:02:53.163
[SPEAKER_01]: So those are the things you're trying to do to make everyone have the best chance of success in combat.

01:02:53.463 --> 01:02:54.364
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lot of stuff there.

01:02:56.805 --> 01:03:03.410
[SPEAKER_01]: And as much as you need to, you know, if someone makes a mistake, you need to punish them for, especially when lives are at risk.

01:03:03.430 --> 01:03:06.232
[SPEAKER_01]: But at the same time, you got to understand, man, there's people going to make mistakes.

01:03:07.033 --> 01:03:07.933
[SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to fire somebody.

01:03:07.953 --> 01:03:09.174
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you have someone who's good to replace them?

01:03:10.075 --> 01:03:11.756
[SPEAKER_01]: Because if you don't, what are you doing?

01:03:11.936 --> 01:03:12.657
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:03:12.757 --> 01:03:14.538
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of things to think about in these scenarios.

01:03:16.636 --> 01:03:18.992
[SPEAKER_01]: Next section, know your men.

01:03:20.628 --> 01:03:23.809
[SPEAKER_01]: Know your men and be constantly on the alert for potential leaders.

01:03:23.869 --> 01:03:25.650
[SPEAKER_01]: You never know how soon you may need them.

01:03:26.070 --> 01:03:34.713
[SPEAKER_01]: During my two years in command of the 82nd Airborne Division in World War II, I was in close and daily touch with every regimental and most battalion commanders.

01:03:35.193 --> 01:03:46.837
[SPEAKER_01]: Before ascending to command of division, while I was general Omar and Bradley's assistant division commander, I had learned to call by name every infantry officer in the division.

01:03:47.298 --> 01:03:47.978
[SPEAKER_01]: It's pretty awesome.

01:03:49.386 --> 01:03:59.771
[SPEAKER_01]: later by frequent exchange of views with infantry regimental commanders and the divisional artillery commander, I knew an advance whom they had earmarked for battalion command.

01:04:00.051 --> 01:04:05.774
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not recall any instance where I thought a regimental commander had not picked the right man.

01:04:07.689 --> 01:04:09.370
[SPEAKER_01]: the payoff came in Normandy.

01:04:09.970 --> 01:04:17.035
[SPEAKER_01]: So he kind of racked and stacked his guys and knew who was who and knew who what the succession plan was.

01:04:17.075 --> 01:04:21.298
[SPEAKER_01]: And who was identified as like a potential good leader and that comes into play here and this is crazy.

01:04:22.919 --> 01:04:31.524
[SPEAKER_01]: Normandy, I went in with 12 infantry battalion commanders, four regiments, and I had 14 new ones when we came out.

01:04:33.238 --> 01:04:37.780
[SPEAKER_01]: For some battalion's lost as many as three commanders during the 33 days we were in that fight.

01:04:38.160 --> 01:04:39.360
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's freaking crazy.

01:04:40.021 --> 01:04:46.003
[SPEAKER_01]: Battalion commanders, losing three battalion commanders in a single battalion.

01:04:46.023 --> 01:04:55.427
[SPEAKER_01]: That's insanity and 14 new battalion commanders for 12 battalions in 33 days.

01:04:58.532 --> 01:04:59.192
[SPEAKER_01]: freaking crazy.

01:04:59.813 --> 01:05:03.054
[SPEAKER_01]: The qualities of a leader are not limited to commanders.

01:05:03.814 --> 01:05:22.682
[SPEAKER_01]: The requirements for leadership are just as essential in the staff officer and in some respects, more exacting, since he does not have the ultimate authority which can be used when necessary and must rely even more than his commander on his own strength of character, his tact and persuasion in carrying out his duties.

01:05:24.045 --> 01:05:32.812
[SPEAKER_01]: So like when you're a little, you know, when you're a staff officer, you're not the man, well guess what, you still got to have a little bit more leadership because you can't just bark orders because you're going to have that authority.

01:05:33.473 --> 01:05:36.035
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've got to be even better leaders, your character is even more important.

01:05:37.396 --> 01:05:45.583
[SPEAKER_01]: Between the commander and his chief of staff in a division or larger unit, there should be a thorough mutual understanding, respect and confidence with no official secrets between them.

01:05:46.847 --> 01:05:56.836
[SPEAKER_01]: Together, they form a single dual personality and the instructions issuing from the chief of staff must have the same weight and authority as those of the commander himself.

01:05:58.577 --> 01:06:05.904
[SPEAKER_01]: But this does not mean that a commander who delegates such authority to his chief of staff can now allow his chief to isolate him from the rest of the staff.

01:06:05.944 --> 01:06:11.489
[SPEAKER_01]: If that happens, the commander will soon find out, find himself out of touch, and the chief of staff will be running the unit.

01:06:11.969 --> 01:06:12.810
[SPEAKER_01]: A little more to caution.

01:06:14.035 --> 01:06:15.256
[SPEAKER_01]: there is a fine balance here.

01:06:15.656 --> 01:06:21.060
[SPEAKER_01]: The chiefs of staff sections should know that they always have access to their commander.

01:06:21.420 --> 01:06:33.108
[SPEAKER_01]: He should see them and visit their sections with sufficient frequency to understand their problems, to let them know that he appreciates their efforts and that he stands ready to help where he can.

01:06:35.163 --> 01:06:40.331
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, along with knowing your men, the next section is called inform subordinates.

01:06:41.672 --> 01:06:48.843
[SPEAKER_01]: Closely akin to the relationship with staff officers is keeping in close personal touch with your principal subordinate commanders.

01:06:49.524 --> 01:06:50.165
[SPEAKER_01]: In the division,

01:06:50.585 --> 01:06:52.926
[SPEAKER_01]: with your brigade and separate battalion commanders.

01:06:53.086 --> 01:07:06.672
[SPEAKER_01]: In the core, with your division commanders, their chiefs of staff, and as many of the commanders of the attached core units as you can, and in the army, with the core and division commanders, and their chiefs of staff, there is always time for these visits.

01:07:06.932 --> 01:07:12.234
[SPEAKER_01]: Administrative work can be done at night, by day you belong with your troops, boom.

01:07:12.695 --> 01:07:14.435
[SPEAKER_01]: So all this work that you got to do also

01:07:18.517 --> 01:07:29.772
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, what you're doing is you got to be out there with the boys, got to be out there with the troops, got to be out there with your support and leadership, getting to know people making sure you understand what's going on, building those relationships.

01:07:30.693 --> 01:07:31.514
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.

01:07:32.034 --> 01:07:33.897
[SPEAKER_01]: Do that administrative stuff on your own time.

01:07:36.540 --> 01:07:41.365
[SPEAKER_01]: And continue along with this idea of keeping them informed, keep them informed of your thinking and plans.

01:07:41.825 --> 01:07:48.652
[SPEAKER_01]: When you have the concept of an operation first in mind, consult your principal commanders without delay and get the reactions.

01:07:48.672 --> 01:07:49.313
[SPEAKER_01]: That's so smart.

01:07:49.934 --> 01:07:54.298
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't don't start spending up a plan in your own head without telling your support and leadership what's going on.

01:07:56.304 --> 01:08:09.834
[SPEAKER_01]: No matter how sound a tactical plan may be, the chances of successful execution will be greatly increased if you have first secured the willing acceptance by commanders responsible for execution of the mission you plan to assign them.

01:08:09.934 --> 01:08:11.135
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, get them bought in.

01:08:11.436 --> 01:08:14.398
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I will tell you the black belt move there, so let them come over the plan.

01:08:14.738 --> 01:08:17.420
[SPEAKER_01]: You come up with the objective, you come up, say this is what we want to get done.

01:08:17.540 --> 01:08:18.421
[SPEAKER_01]: How do you want to make it happen?

01:08:18.501 --> 01:08:20.622
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to, they're going to, what is the word he's there?

01:08:20.683 --> 01:08:22.564
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to willingly accept it because they thought of it.

01:08:24.435 --> 01:08:36.493
[SPEAKER_01]: Ensure that they receive notice of your decision and that principle, the principle details of your plans as approved in ample time to permit them and their subordinates to make necessary reconnaissance and issue their orders.

01:08:38.151 --> 01:08:43.174
[SPEAKER_01]: These are some of the reasons why I hold that leadership is not a science, but an art.

01:08:44.094 --> 01:09:01.224
[SPEAKER_01]: It conceives an ideal, states an objective, and then seeks actively and earnestly to attain it everlastingly persevering because the records of war are full of successes coming to those leaders who stuck it out just a little bit longer than their opponents.

01:09:02.225 --> 01:09:05.066
[SPEAKER_01]: Did some kinds of just gotta keep freaking going?

01:09:06.727 --> 01:09:09.048
[SPEAKER_01]: And then it closed out, he kind of wraps it up here.

01:09:10.228 --> 01:09:12.549
[SPEAKER_01]: Some suggestions for leadership are.

01:09:13.769 --> 01:09:19.131
[SPEAKER_01]: Read, widely and wisely, all the history and biography possible.

01:09:19.831 --> 01:09:25.152
[SPEAKER_01]: Soak up all the personal experiences you can of battle-tested brother officers.

01:09:25.813 --> 01:09:30.394
[SPEAKER_01]: This broadens your understanding of an art of which you can never hope to know all.

01:09:32.622 --> 01:09:39.006
[SPEAKER_01]: study thoughtfully the records of past successful leaders and adapted their message methods to yours.

01:09:40.607 --> 01:09:48.312
[SPEAKER_01]: Work hard to keep fit that little extra stamina may someday pull you out of some deep holes.

01:09:50.690 --> 01:09:54.355
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, do you think they even backed in like, you know, now we got VO2 Max?

01:09:54.615 --> 01:09:58.160
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, at what point did they start to realize that someone that worked out was going to be in better shape?

01:09:58.380 --> 01:09:58.921
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?

01:09:59.502 --> 01:10:00.022
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.

01:10:00.343 --> 01:10:02.906
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's been physical cultures been around for a long time.

01:10:03.287 --> 01:10:07.132
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and there's two kind of separate elements like...

01:10:07.652 --> 01:10:15.900
[SPEAKER_00]: We knew about VL2 Max long time ago, but just like now, okay, it's a weightlifting, for example, we'll say we'll forget VL2 Max for a second weightlifting.

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:18.102
[SPEAKER_00]: So weightlifting is freaking an old school.

01:10:18.503 --> 01:10:20.965
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you got strong maybe you got even bodybuilders.

01:10:21.025 --> 01:10:23.107
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even lifting rocks over in Scotland.

01:10:23.167 --> 01:10:23.528
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

01:10:23.788 --> 01:10:41.440
[SPEAKER_00]: the circus guys like the whole thing right that's been in society but then you have weight lifting in sports we'll say so at some point someone was like oh wait this weight lifting stuff applies to sports and how does it apply to sports and then develop the science behind

01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:43.221
[SPEAKER_00]: that combination, same saying.

01:10:43.241 --> 01:10:52.203
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's really the kind of thing that's what you're kind of wondering where it's like, you're talking about VO2 Max, you know, that's something you test in for other situations.

01:10:52.223 --> 01:10:55.785
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, wait a second, let's bring that tech to freaking military.

01:10:55.805 --> 01:11:00.986
[SPEAKER_01]: But don't you remember when, well, when I was little like they would say if you lifted way too, you'd get muscle bound.

01:11:01.006 --> 01:11:03.127
[SPEAKER_01]: That's about remember that term muscle bound.

01:11:03.207 --> 01:11:03.367
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

01:11:03.407 --> 01:11:04.488
[SPEAKER_00]: One of my coaches told me that.

01:11:05.128 --> 01:11:05.248
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.

01:11:05.928 --> 01:11:10.190
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when I was in a pop or in our football too, but it was a muscle bounce.

01:11:10.250 --> 01:11:13.192
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like, yeah, you wake up one day, you can't even scratch your ass.

01:11:13.212 --> 01:11:13.732
[SPEAKER_00]: He's saying that.

01:11:13.772 --> 01:11:15.012
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's like that.

01:11:15.052 --> 01:11:19.555
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I believe that back then, you know, so I was like, well, shoot, I gotta stretch, but check.

01:11:19.835 --> 01:11:21.956
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, work hard to keep fit.

01:11:22.156 --> 01:11:26.578
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, work hard in your own way at being tops at your job.

01:11:27.778 --> 01:11:35.841
[SPEAKER_01]: Keep the three seas, character, courage, and competence always before your mind and with faith in God be yourself.

01:11:37.001 --> 01:11:42.662
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the last one, remember there are many others on your team and be inwardly humble.

01:11:43.343 --> 01:11:49.284
[SPEAKER_01]: Every man's life is equally precious, although all are at the disposal of our country.

01:11:49.684 --> 01:11:55.266
[SPEAKER_01]: And the contribution each makes in battle is of equal potential value.

01:11:58.552 --> 01:11:59.293
[SPEAKER_01]: and that's what we got.

01:11:59.693 --> 01:12:00.233
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we got.

01:12:00.253 --> 01:12:10.562
[SPEAKER_01]: The three seas, character, courage, competence, outstanding things to keep front of mind coming from general ridgeway.

01:12:11.783 --> 01:12:19.270
[SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting how these venn diagram just throughout centuries of time has the

01:12:20.872 --> 01:12:36.993
[SPEAKER_01]: continued overlap of the things that we talk about and no matter where you are on that timeline you can reach in and you're going to find you're going to land on these things so one of the things you're going to land on by the way.

01:12:37.413 --> 01:12:40.035
[SPEAKER_01]: is keeping physically fit.

01:12:40.055 --> 01:12:40.916
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:12:40.956 --> 01:12:41.616
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what's weird?

01:12:41.636 --> 01:12:43.718
[SPEAKER_01]: When I wrote Displink was freedom, field manual.

01:12:44.459 --> 01:12:47.921
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember kind of like, you know, you kind of feel like a meadhead, right?

01:12:47.941 --> 01:12:49.983
[SPEAKER_01]: You're like, hey man, you got to work out, like it's important thing.

01:12:51.262 --> 01:12:53.783
[SPEAKER_01]: And as a leader, you know, you kind of be like physically fit.

01:12:53.823 --> 01:12:54.983
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an important thing, you know.

01:12:55.023 --> 01:12:57.844
[SPEAKER_01]: You kind of feel like, I don't think something like that.

01:12:57.884 --> 01:13:02.465
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, some might offend some people or whatever, but it's like, man, I'm telling you, like, it's a real, it's real.

01:13:03.105 --> 01:13:07.426
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, look at, I'm coming from obviously from the military perspective, but it's true in any situation.

01:13:07.887 --> 01:13:10.667
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like, gotta be physically fit.

01:13:10.687 --> 01:13:11.608
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why we're getting after it.

01:13:11.988 --> 01:13:17.289
[SPEAKER_01]: So I were training, so I were lifting, so I was sprinting, you know, the whole nine yards.

01:13:17.809 --> 01:13:19.710
[SPEAKER_01]: And when we're doing that, guess what we're gonna need to echo Charles.

01:13:20.632 --> 01:13:22.153
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna take a wild guess, maybe some fuel.

01:13:22.373 --> 01:13:23.714
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotta fuel that mission, right?

01:13:23.754 --> 01:13:25.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Gotta fuel that mission.

01:13:25.095 --> 01:13:26.396
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01:13:32.419 --> 01:13:32.720
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a good little, it's like such a mix-up.

01:13:36.802 --> 01:13:37.343
[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?

01:13:37.843 --> 01:13:40.745
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just out of the left corner, you know?

01:13:40.765 --> 01:13:42.486
[SPEAKER_01]: You're just like boom, what is it going, pumpkin spice?

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01:13:43.266 --> 01:13:45.007
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01:13:45.108 --> 01:13:46.408
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can say, hey, where's the jockofield?

01:14:02.422 --> 01:14:03.503
[SPEAKER_01]: On the point you're in the right direction.

01:14:03.824 --> 01:14:06.186
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's in the health section.

01:14:06.266 --> 01:14:08.448
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes it's in the whatever, the drink section.

01:14:08.708 --> 01:14:10.590
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01:14:10.650 --> 01:14:13.893
[SPEAKER_01]: And if they don't have it, then just tell them, hey, man, I want my jockofield.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We got what you need to fuel your mission.

01:14:20.176 --> 01:14:20.676
[SPEAKER_01]: Go get some.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Also, originusa.com.

01:14:24.258 --> 01:14:30.701
[SPEAKER_01]: Look, if we talk a lot about these American military units, battle the bulls with jumping in Italy, like there's a lot of things that went down.

01:14:31.923 --> 01:14:38.545
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of wars that have taken place, Vietnam, a lot of Korea, all these wars that took place to try and protect freedom.

01:14:38.845 --> 01:14:41.606
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, right now, there's an economic war going on worldwide.

01:14:42.527 --> 01:14:47.408
[SPEAKER_01]: And we got adversaries out there that Americans accidentally send money to.

01:14:47.528 --> 01:14:52.850
[SPEAKER_01]: And I say, actually, because I don't think they really, I was like a patriotic event the other night.

01:14:53.270 --> 01:14:53.790
[SPEAKER_01]: Did I tell you this?

01:14:54.011 --> 01:14:54.571
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

01:14:54.871 --> 01:14:55.831
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, patriotic event.

01:14:55.851 --> 01:14:58.372
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm thinking everyone's patriotic and they were in stuff that's made in China.

01:14:59.392 --> 01:15:00.453
[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, what's, what is this?

01:15:00.493 --> 01:15:01.033
[SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing?

01:15:02.102 --> 01:15:04.843
[SPEAKER_01]: You love America, and you're buying your blue jeans.

01:15:05.823 --> 01:15:10.144
[SPEAKER_01]: An iconic American item, and you're buying ones that are made from China.

01:15:10.785 --> 01:15:15.886
[SPEAKER_01]: Made by slave labor, sending our economic power overseas.

01:15:15.946 --> 01:15:16.406
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that.

01:15:17.387 --> 01:15:21.208
[SPEAKER_01]: American made 100% American made, 100% communist free, no slave labor.

01:15:22.183 --> 01:15:24.685
[SPEAKER_01]: go to originusa.com, check it out.

01:15:25.205 --> 01:15:25.605
[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.

01:15:25.785 --> 01:15:26.225
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go.

01:15:26.446 --> 01:15:28.167
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, don't forget about Drunk of Store.

01:15:28.827 --> 01:15:33.910
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sometimes you'll be walking around town and you'll see somebody wearing that discipline equals freedom shirt.

01:15:34.050 --> 01:15:34.490
[SPEAKER_00]: Get hyped.

01:15:34.851 --> 01:15:36.712
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the shirt, that's as good on it.

01:15:36.772 --> 01:15:40.134
[SPEAKER_00]: And very kind of slightly unique way, like all I think.

01:15:40.194 --> 01:15:42.275
[SPEAKER_00]: This is where you can get this stuff.

01:15:42.635 --> 01:15:46.778
[SPEAKER_00]: Drunk of Store.com, boom, mystery solved.

01:15:47.598 --> 01:15:49.119
[SPEAKER_00]: There's other stuff on there as well.

01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:51.301
[SPEAKER_00]: Not just when you go free them five versions, by the way.

01:15:52.341 --> 01:16:09.990
[SPEAKER_00]: Three versions of good by the way, but there's standby to get some, you know, the get after you know these things Oh, when you're on this path and you want to represent and you want to represent, but it's not just any path This is path of a Competence Courage Character and character and you want to represent.

01:16:10.310 --> 01:16:12.811
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, jocoset Boom, this is where you get your stuff.

01:16:13.271 --> 01:16:16.053
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, some hats on there as well for the people who are hats.

01:16:16.113 --> 01:16:20.875
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I just ordered one Yeah, if I see you there you go even jocals already and have some back in legit

01:16:21.255 --> 01:16:27.840
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the short locker, new design are there so much more creative for something creative designs.

01:16:28.061 --> 01:16:34.025
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in the creative, maybe that's the force you let or not, there's some layers on there, for sure, good, you know.

01:16:34.506 --> 01:16:38.909
[SPEAKER_00]: But nonetheless, yeah, it's a little bit outside the box, you know, represented in a more unique way, from time to time.

01:16:38.949 --> 01:16:41.872
[SPEAKER_00]: Boom, represent the short locker subscription scenario already know that.

01:16:42.452 --> 01:16:47.196
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you want to, if you don't know about it, just click on the top, just check out the short locker.

01:16:47.216 --> 01:16:48.537
[SPEAKER_01]: Does it say subscription scenario?

01:16:48.942 --> 01:16:57.850
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just gonna say subscription scenario, but no, it does not say that no, no, no, no, we're keeping it because it is accurate Well, anyway, you want to check it out.

01:16:57.870 --> 01:16:58.810
[SPEAKER_00]: Click on the short locker thing.

01:16:58.831 --> 01:17:01.012
[SPEAKER_00]: It'll take the page to see what it's all about anyway.

01:17:01.092 --> 01:17:02.654
[SPEAKER_00]: You like something get something check

01:17:03.480 --> 01:17:26.710
[SPEAKER_01]: Also books we got the way of the warrior kid books, and we have the way of the warrior kid movie coming out November 25th On Apple TV global release able to or sorry November 25th This is when everyone's home with your families thanksgiving you're able to watch the best movie ever made It's called way of the warrior kid starring Chris Pratt directed by Mick G Echo Charles is in it

01:17:27.092 --> 01:17:28.293
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, juggle willinks in it.

01:17:28.313 --> 01:17:32.055
[SPEAKER_01]: Juggle willinks in it, ran a willinks in it, ran a willinks in it, ran a Coach Hannah's in it.

01:17:32.195 --> 01:17:32.396
[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

01:17:32.996 --> 01:17:37.099
[SPEAKER_01]: It's and also the books, you have to wait until November 5th, the books are out right now.

01:17:37.199 --> 01:17:41.762
[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the all of the Warrior Kid books are now available on audio book.

01:17:42.322 --> 01:17:49.629
[SPEAKER_01]: So go to wherever you get your audiobooks and you can get way of the warrior kid audiobooks and you can listen to those on your way to justice practice with your kids, which is awesome.

01:17:50.650 --> 01:17:51.431
[SPEAKER_01]: Got some other books.

01:17:51.831 --> 01:17:52.812
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Put Your Laves on.

01:17:53.053 --> 01:17:54.134
[SPEAKER_01]: Put your legs on by Rob Jones.

01:17:54.154 --> 01:17:55.355
[SPEAKER_01]: We got Need to lead by Dave Burke.

01:17:55.715 --> 01:17:57.957
[SPEAKER_01]: We got extreme ownership, just one extreme field manual.

01:17:58.758 --> 01:18:00.699
[SPEAKER_01]: that kind of new leadership strategies.

01:18:00.719 --> 01:18:03.520
[SPEAKER_01]: We've got a bunch of books so you can check out those.

01:18:03.821 --> 01:18:05.121
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, echelonfront.com.

01:18:05.241 --> 01:18:06.442
[SPEAKER_01]: This is our leadership consultancy.

01:18:06.762 --> 01:18:11.384
[SPEAKER_01]: We teach leadership and we help you solve problems in your organization through leadership.

01:18:11.424 --> 01:18:13.605
[SPEAKER_01]: And the problems that you have are our leadership problems.

01:18:14.246 --> 01:18:19.288
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you need to help inside your organization, go to echelonfront.com and check out the options there.

01:18:20.168 --> 01:18:21.369
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, extremownership.com.

01:18:21.389 --> 01:18:24.010
[SPEAKER_01]: We teach leadership skills online.

01:18:24.390 --> 01:18:27.152
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are available at extremownership.com.

01:18:27.692 --> 01:18:31.055
[SPEAKER_01]: And then, if you want to help service members active and retired, do want to help their family to help gold.

01:18:31.075 --> 01:18:34.258
[SPEAKER_01]: So our families check out Mark Lee's mom, Mama Lee, she's got an amazing charity organization.

01:18:34.618 --> 01:18:38.801
[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to donate or you want to get involved, go to America's MightyWorriers.org.

01:18:39.122 --> 01:18:44.926
[SPEAKER_01]: Also, check out heroes in horses.org and finally, Jimmy May's organization beyond the brotherhood.org.

01:18:45.347 --> 01:18:50.291
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to connect with us, go to jockel.com where you can check out the underground podcast.

01:18:51.872 --> 01:18:58.677
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is what we answer your questions, and other than that, you know, stay away from social media.

01:18:58.717 --> 01:19:05.161
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't hook the sugar feeder up to your face and don't go into the pod and just die.

01:19:05.642 --> 01:19:07.743
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do that instead go out and live.

01:19:08.444 --> 01:19:09.564
[SPEAKER_01]: And to all the service members.

01:19:10.625 --> 01:19:13.106
[SPEAKER_01]: who are holding the line around the world right now.

01:19:14.126 --> 01:19:22.769
[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for stepping up and protecting us and our freedom and thanks to our police law enforcement Firefighters, Paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol secret services as well as all other first responders.

01:19:23.109 --> 01:19:24.749
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for what you do to keep us safe.

01:19:25.849 --> 01:19:26.710
[SPEAKER_01]: And everyone else out there.

01:19:28.190 --> 01:19:35.259
[SPEAKER_01]: As General Ridgeway recommends, read as much as you possibly can, especially from history.

01:19:36.100 --> 01:19:40.305
[SPEAKER_01]: Study what other people have done that's worked and used their methods, right?

01:19:40.945 --> 01:19:47.193
[SPEAKER_01]: Work hard to stay in shape, obviously work hard to be awesome at your job and maintain your character.

01:19:48.803 --> 01:20:03.507
[SPEAKER_01]: In that character, it's self-discipline, it's loyalty, it's willingness to accept responsibility, it's willingness to admit mistakes, characters selflessness, it's modesty, it's humility, it's willingness to sacrifice when necessary and it's faith.

01:20:04.247 --> 01:20:10.288
[SPEAKER_01]: And all those things, these things are what we call the path.

01:20:12.349 --> 01:20:13.109
[SPEAKER_01]: So stay on the path.

01:20:14.649 --> 01:20:15.730
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's all we've got for tonight.

01:20:15.890 --> 01:20:16.570
[SPEAKER_01]: And until next time,