564: Overcoming Fear, Making Movies, and the Way of the Warrior Kid. With McG.

0:00 [UNKNOWN]: This is Jocquopont Cas number 564 with echo Charles and me, Jocquo Willink. [UNKNOWN]: Good evening, echo. [UNKNOWN]: Good evening. [UNKNOWN]: I did the videos in a complete do-it-yourself culture. [UNKNOWN]: We just did it. [UNKNOWN]: We ran from the law. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know that you could have a producer who could help you procure a location and get insurance and a camera package. [UNKNOWN]: It was very raw and where the honesty and visual style, the aesthetic came from. [UNKNOWN]: I come from the rock and roll world where people throw TVs out of high-rise hotel windows and drive motorcycles into pools. [UNKNOWN]: And those right there are some quotes from Joseph McGee McGinty Nickel, a music writer, a video maker, a film and TV producer, a director, a dad, a husband, [UNKNOWN]: And one seriously passionate, energetic and unstoppable friend who I was lucky enough to work with in turning the way of the warrior kid from books into an amazing movie.

1:11 [UNKNOWN]: And his life has been wild. [UNKNOWN]: He's overcome some serious challenges, muscle through rough failures and achieve some incredible success along the way. [UNKNOWN]: And it's an honor to have Mick G with us here tonight to share some of his experiences and lessons learned. [UNKNOWN]: Mick G. [UNKNOWN]: Delighted to be here boys. [UNKNOWN]: So happy to see you guys just instant smile. [UNKNOWN]: Anybody wants their world to improve Just say hello to Jocco say hello to Echo and do your thing and that dog on ran That might be my favorite person on the planet of her so watch out now. [UNKNOWN]: She's coming hard nothing but smiles and the best the best [UNKNOWN]: All right, so let's get a little bit of a background, so you're born in Kalamazoo, Michigan.

1:53 [UNKNOWN]: How long did you live there for? [UNKNOWN]: I was born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. [UNKNOWN]: My whole family's from Pennsylvania. [UNKNOWN]: But my dad had a PhD in microbiology and got a job for the Uption Company. [UNKNOWN]: Uption at that time was based in Kalamazoo. [UNKNOWN]: and I was born in that window. [UNKNOWN]: So I was there for two or three years and then his company sent him out to California. [UNKNOWN]: And that was the beginning of that chapter because my dad loved road and track magazine and it was in Newport Beach, California. [UNKNOWN]: So he lands in LA because I'm going to go see the headquarters for road and track magazine. [UNKNOWN]: Drive down a newport beach and hit some like a lightning bolt. [UNKNOWN]: This is it. [UNKNOWN]: This is where I want to stay. [UNKNOWN]: Up John drags him back so we go back there for another two years so that's ages maybe four five sixish but then we ultimately land back in Newport so I identify almost completely as a kid from Newport Beach, California which was a very, very interesting place at the time kind of very surf culture very, very laid back it was before sort of the real housewives culture and it was an awesome [UNKNOWN]: Idealize sort of a place to grow up.

2:54 [UNKNOWN]: My dad was a football coach, sports was everything to me growing up, but I grew up in a house filled with music and filled with film, older brother, older sister. [UNKNOWN]: So people go, when you turn on a music, when you turn on a film, I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. [UNKNOWN]: My sister's listening to disco records, my brother's listening to Black Sabbath, my dad's listening to jazz, and we're always going to see be at the sound of music or taxi driver when I'm too young. [UNKNOWN]: And that was just the vibe. [UNKNOWN]: And everybody was a surfer, and my best friend growing up at the time was Mark McGrath, the sugar egg guy. [UNKNOWN]: And we were both, you know, for lack of a more delicate way of putting it, kind of chicken chips when it came to, we were both tiny! [UNKNOWN]: And we were hanging out with the dudes that were bigger, like the strapping guys that were on the water pole team and, you know, be the lifeguards.

3:35 [UNKNOWN]: And we'd always just kind of, you know, chicken out when the waves were pumping and all the boys would want to go out. [UNKNOWN]: And that's even how I got my nickname, McFly, because I would go paddling out and, you know, just not ever interested in taking off on a wave, but if I got caught inside, there'd be a set and I'd get pitched. [UNKNOWN]: And when I was getting pitched getting air, the whole line-up would go McFly! [UNKNOWN]: And I'd get pitched, so we found our way to the local record store and sold our souls to Rock and Roll. [UNKNOWN]: And that was the era of punk rock too, so we were really, you know, early 80s, late 70s, we really went all in and that was that. [UNKNOWN]: And your buy-in records are going to see shows. [UNKNOWN]: All the time, there was a place called the Kukus Nest, a very, very famous venue in Costa Mesa that we were a little bit too young to get into, but it changed the name of the concert factory.

4:18 [UNKNOWN]: And we used to ride two buses and pack our pockets with food sticks. [UNKNOWN]: Remember those horrible, [UNKNOWN]: food sticks and fruit rolls and just try to get someone to buy us tickets so we could wiggle in and we'd see, you know, all kinds of shows and not to affect us tremendously and we had that dream that dream was always rock and roll and film in the arts, but it didn't seem like something you could choose and I was on an academic path and was pre-med at school. [UNKNOWN]: And I studied psychology and I studied comparative culture, but when it became time to sort of get around to go into med school I finally took a deep breath and went, this is not my dream. [UNKNOWN]: This is my dad's dream and my dream is rock and roll And I looked at this guy Rick Ruben did and why you dorm room where he's like, here's a white Jewish guy [UNKNOWN]: who has plugged into hip hop culture and he knows that old cool Jay knows the guys and run DMC, he's going to NYU and he goes, I'm gonna bring this to the world.

5:09 [UNKNOWN]: And at that time, I had Mark as my friend, he wasn't the greatest singer but he was super handsome, so I'm like, let's make a video. [UNKNOWN]: Then I had his buddies with this incredibly charismatic girl in Anaheim, Gwen Stefani. [UNKNOWN]: And then I knew these guys who unfortunately were pretty strong out of the time, the guys in sublime and three guys in sublime, Bradley and Eric, you know, and but. [UNKNOWN]: And there was one black kid in Irvine. [UNKNOWN]: I used to skateboard with him. [UNKNOWN]: It was Zack DeLaroucha. [UNKNOWN]: He was a singer and rage. [UNKNOWN]: And the offspring guys were in Huntington. [UNKNOWN]: And it just felt like, wow, if I can bring this to the world, maybe we could have something to talk about. [UNKNOWN]: So I made a video. [UNKNOWN]: So this is when you're, this is when you're in college, when you're going through. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, right when I'm finishing college. [UNKNOWN]: Now, the part of the story is that you were, you've got to know where you see or something like that.

5:53 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but that's a whole chapter of this podcast. [UNKNOWN]: But you didn't end up going there. [UNKNOWN]: No, and the reason you didn't go there is kind of an important reason. [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, I mean, it's sort of the defining characteristic of my life, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: It's just like, I've always had... [UNKNOWN]: You know, a good sense of who I was. [UNKNOWN]: I was very small. [UNKNOWN]: I graduated high school, Orange Afro, Net Gear, braces, five to 90 pounds, just, you know. [UNKNOWN]: But I was cool with everybody. [UNKNOWN]: I was cool with the big surfers. [UNKNOWN]: I was cool with the jocks. [UNKNOWN]: I was cool with sort of the Gothrock and Rollard because I was like this jester that was unthreatening. [UNKNOWN]: So everybody didn't mind if Mcgee paled around. [UNKNOWN]: And right when I was around 15, [UNKNOWN]: I started having really, really meaningful anxiety attacks and not like fun ones, like, whoa, that was an early jacco.

6:43 [UNKNOWN]: What was that? [UNKNOWN]: I felt like I was going to die. [UNKNOWN]: I ended up in the hospital a couple times. [UNKNOWN]: I thought I was having hard, I didn't know what was going on. [UNKNOWN]: And the sense of dread and the downward spiral you have when you experience that is so overwhelming, like literally you can hit and punch and slap yourself in the face as hard as you can. [UNKNOWN]: You cannot feel it. [UNKNOWN]: That's how hard and I would imagine you would know, you know, feelings of that level of pump, you know, given [UNKNOWN]: But it was really overwhelming, and what happens is, and it doesn't happen everybody but it happened to me. [UNKNOWN]: You have an anxiety attack on a freeway? [UNKNOWN]: You stop getting on freeways. [UNKNOWN]: You have one on an elevator, you stop getting on elevators, you have one on an airplane, you stop getting on an airplane. [UNKNOWN]: And your world starts to get really, really small. [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, did these start like, what do you have any idea what triggers these things or what where it came from?

7:30 [UNKNOWN]: I'm of the opinion it's chemical. [UNKNOWN]: Because it's not like, hey man, I grow up very Catholic. [UNKNOWN]: And it's not like, hey, I got fingered by the priest and that fucked me up. [UNKNOWN]: It's just like that, that wasn't, [UNKNOWN]: I don't have an inciting incident. [UNKNOWN]: My dad who I love very much, but he was rough. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I had a rough dad of that era. [UNKNOWN]: My dad got married 18 children, you know, 11 months later than my brother than me. [UNKNOWN]: You know, so kids, marrying kids, having kids and, you know, his parents were alcoholics and, you know, my dad had asthma, so he'd like, he'd be in the hospital with an asthma attack and his dad would be on the road and his mom was drunk and passed out on the floor. [UNKNOWN]: So he had some anger issues and some unresolved stuff, but I don't blame any of that. [UNKNOWN]: I just think it's something that came upon me and I'll get to the point of what I think is what I like to call secondary gains.

8:16 [UNKNOWN]: where, yeah, I have this problem that embarrassed me, it was horrible, but because of that, what made me able to hear music the way I hear music to deploy, you know, my thoughts and efforts into that console that's right out this building and make a record to shoot with a camera and tell a story and do the thing. [UNKNOWN]: And even more particularly, like if you and I went down to the Coliseum right now and spoke at a 100,000 person game, [UNKNOWN]: My blood pressure wouldn't even go up. [UNKNOWN]: My heart rate wouldn't change. [UNKNOWN]: So all these weird secondary gains, because I had this waste basket of where all my proper fear went. [UNKNOWN]: But what happened was, I got into USC, I was gonna go and my anxiety condition was so severe at that time that I had to shut down my safe zone to about five mile radius around my house in Newport.

9:02 [UNKNOWN]: So I couldn't make it 35, 40 minutes up the freeway just to get to USC. [UNKNOWN]: How do you interact with your friends? [UNKNOWN]: Like your friends knew that you're like, hey guys, I can't go to this thing It was really narrowly because, you know, my friends were all rockin' Rollers I mean, what if Gwen's the funny one to go on a date with you outside the radius? [UNKNOWN]: Like, letting it happen Like, you know, letting it happen It wasn't gonna happen for two reasons When I couldn't go outside the radius and two and three, I wasn't good looking enough to Nobody wants to make out what they do with braces that are gonna cut your lip You know, and you can't have a battle pass the neck here, so that's impossible too [UNKNOWN]: But, um, yeah, I couldn't get up there and I ended up going to UCI, which University California Irvine, which is closer. [UNKNOWN]: And, um, you know, just to make a long story short, I made a video with the sugar ray guys and I hit it on green cassette tapes and I put it in pizza boxes and I had the pizzas delivered to all the heads of the record labels throughout America.

9:53 [UNKNOWN]: And the guy who was running Atlantic Records at the time in New York, Valazoli and it was, you know, [UNKNOWN]: I'm an bird again in legendary people. [UNKNOWN]: They opened it, put it in, 30 seconds later, they say the most beautiful words you can hear when you're a kid, sign those guys. [UNKNOWN]: So they send the first class tickets to the thing, and I never had the nerve to cop to it. [UNKNOWN]: It was so masculating. [UNKNOWN]: I was so embarrassed. [UNKNOWN]: Because I have these breakdowns in front of people, like if you would excuse myself if it would happen and I do everything I could to bury it. [UNKNOWN]: And I didn't put myself in position. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna do about it. [UNKNOWN]: Everybody kind of knew about it, but they were kind enough not to rub it in my face. [UNKNOWN]: So the guys kind of knew like, well, McGee's not going to go to New York to sign the record deal. [UNKNOWN]: Here I put together a record deal. [UNKNOWN]: I'm six months out of college and about to get a million-dollar record deal with the guys in Sugar Egg.

10:37 [UNKNOWN]: And all the guys in the band spend the night at my house, the tickets are on the counter. [UNKNOWN]: We have the first flight out of LAX. [UNKNOWN]: We have to get up at 5 o'clock in the morning, drive to the airport and go. [UNKNOWN]: And at 2 o'clock in the morning, I climb out the window of my own apartment where everybody's staying. [UNKNOWN]: I leave the keys to my Volkswagen Rabbit and I say, you guys go, I'm a little sick. [UNKNOWN]: And they kind of knew when they were cool and they went and they had this incredible moment and they signed a record deal, which was great. [UNKNOWN]: And humiliating for me, but it didn't impede them from getting a record deal. [UNKNOWN]: So I wrote the songs with them and produced the record and made the videos and did the whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: And the beat kept going. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: So it wasn't until... [UNKNOWN]: I got Superman, because I did the first two Charlie's Angels Mount movies here in LA, which is impossible, as you know, like you always got to go over the world to make movies.

11:24 [UNKNOWN]: Well, prior to that, so you do the, you do the, the sugar race stuff, right? [UNKNOWN]: So now this is, but that video, what was it? [UNKNOWN]: Caboos? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Caboos. [UNKNOWN]: Right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And people start seeing this video. [UNKNOWN]: How did you all the sudden become like the video making guy, the music video making guy? [UNKNOWN]: Well, two things happened. [UNKNOWN]: Corn moved down from Bakersu. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so I got in the corn camp day one when they were nothing and I was chasing them around while I saw corn in New York You know place like a little bit bigger than the room we're sitting in right now. [UNKNOWN]: Why like way before Bose that John Bose I could did the drawings for warrior kid [UNKNOWN]: I was in New York for some reason. [UNKNOWN]: Went to see him, he's like, hey, we're going to see this band quarantine. [UNKNOWN]: I was like, okay, I never heard of him, but let's go.

12:05 [UNKNOWN]: And I was going, oh my god, these guys are unreal. [UNKNOWN]: The bad part of the whole night here, it's the whole thing was going on. [UNKNOWN]: And I was before the album came out, it was crazy. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: So when you heard corn, [UNKNOWN]: You recognize immediately like this is a different I was explained to Ben earlier like here's music like occasionally This happens very rarely here's music here's corn like there's just outside Yeah, but that was so exciting to you and to me because Corn was taken hip-hop sounds like 808 kick drums like the drum board have a trigger right here Where he did it with the stick and it would do the boom [UNKNOWN]: You know, like you'd hear a hip-hop song and they had those funky seven string guitars that had all the dissonant sounds and they were dead and kids from Bakersfield They just had nothing to lose and had to do it yourself culture again and just thought anywhere, but here And they moved to Huntington.

12:54 [UNKNOWN]: They started to do it. [UNKNOWN]: We made the record a brilliant producer named Ross Robinson made it and I was chasing them around with a video camera and [UNKNOWN]: you know we did the video to climb and the video to climb we probably made for five or $7,000 tops. [UNKNOWN]: I had to borrow $1,000 from my buddy who had a pickup truck to get the dolly to come down. [UNKNOWN]: We did it at the rehearsal space in Garden Grove and to this day it's one of the biggest rock-and-oh videos of all time and you guys be in San Diego guys Mason comes out for the pod race to blind. [UNKNOWN]: to this day 30 years later and they do the light show and everybody goes crazy and if you see that would stop. [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say what's sock 99 that is not the time that you can't go harder than that. [UNKNOWN]: You just can't go.

13:34 [UNKNOWN]: So to be on the periphery of that experience is one of the great privileges and highlights of my life and I still talk to those guys into the coolest. [UNKNOWN]: So you do you do blind, you do shoots and ladders, you do call your doing these videos and then who else came a cypress hill comes in the game? [UNKNOWN]: Cypress a line. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a line. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: I knew Bradley well before he died sadly. [UNKNOWN]: He was in San Francisco, bad batch heroin going around and that just bit him. [UNKNOWN]: And it's terrible. [UNKNOWN]: I lost my brother to a drug overdose. [UNKNOWN]: We'll probably talk about that, which is why I stayed really clean for a long time. [UNKNOWN]: You know, because I was with all the rock and rollers going really hard. [UNKNOWN]: And I was always kind of the manager guy. [UNKNOWN]: And I couldn't really go to the faraway gigs because my, you know, a gorephobic problem. [UNKNOWN]: And it just resulted in my being the driver responsible one, not drinking.

14:18 [UNKNOWN]: and not doing all the drugs. [UNKNOWN]: Well, they were just blowing their brains out going bananas. [UNKNOWN]: And, um, yeah, I just never really, never really went down that track, you know, so, yeah, a wild pinball of sorts, but yeah, cypressil came into it and... [UNKNOWN]: Offspring, biohazard, by the way, East Coast hardcore. [UNKNOWN]: I got a representative of it. [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, and I put jaws in that biohazard video. [UNKNOWN]: I think I was the metal teeth, Richard, why am I forgetting his last name? [UNKNOWN]: who's no longer with this rest of the soul, but Joss is awesome in the bond pictures. [UNKNOWN]: And we just said so much fun making those videos and that led me to get, you know, the Charlie's Angels movies, which I was I said was a miracle that what's that phone call like? [UNKNOWN]: Well, did Drew bear in my call you up? [UNKNOWN]: No, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was, it [UNKNOWN]: I met Drew Barrymore as a function of the rock and roll world, she's a rock and roller, and she was running around with a guitar player in Courtney Love's band, Hole, a guy named Eric Irlinson.

15:09 [UNKNOWN]: So we would all go out in Hollywood, and I met Drew through Eric Irlinson, and Drew goes, I have the rights to Charlie's Angels, and every legitimate director in town, and passed on it. [UNKNOWN]: And I go, I'll do it, and she goes, I want it to be like your videos, colorful, and to jubilant, and exciting, and explosive, and filled the theater with oxygen. [UNKNOWN]: I said yes. [UNKNOWN]: So, and then, of course, I go to pitch it to Sony. [UNKNOWN]: And everybody at Sony is on pitch, and it's just like, no, no way. [UNKNOWN]: No, we hate this guy. [UNKNOWN]: What kind of guy calls himself a cheat, get out of here. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And it was Quentin Tarantino who saved me because I was making videos and commercials for Quentin his company a band apart So between Drugal and this guy's gonna do it and they still said no then Amy Pascal was the head of Sony called Quentin and Quentin goes I don't know I think this guy can do it and they'd be grudgingly let me do it and I was nearly fired off that thing [UNKNOWN]: Ten times because it was so weird and experimental and colorful and you know the girls are on Hong Kong Wirework doing the matrix things dipping around and they didn't know whether to shit or go blind And they came down to fire me ten times, but I'm like it's gonna work out in the end in the music That was sort of the beginning of the mix tape as soundtrack for movie and Yeah, it landed well and it was the biggest opening for a first time director in history [UNKNOWN]: So I wrote that.

16:24 [UNKNOWN]: Did you, did you, had you had in mind that you wanted to make movies like that? [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's the goal always. [UNKNOWN]: And something I'm about to trick you into doing with me is I'm going to do a show on that era of music videos. [UNKNOWN]: Because there were only about five guys and a couple girls that were getting the songs at that time. [UNKNOWN]: And the people were the fun. [UNKNOWN]: With the way it would work, it's like, aerosmith would send you a song on a Wednesday. [UNKNOWN]: You'd have to turn in your idea Thursday the next day. [UNKNOWN]: And then you got a shoot at Saturday and Sunday, because they're on tour, and they're only here Saturday and Sunday. [UNKNOWN]: You know, so it was really, really fast. [UNKNOWN]: And they'd send it to David Fincher, Michael Bay, Spike Jones, Mick G, Francis Lawrence, you know, Michelle Gondry. [UNKNOWN]: You know, and the difference between all of us as we would make, you know, the Echo Charles music video was so severe like who you signed up for would affect the brand of your band to such a degree.

17:14 [UNKNOWN]: But the point I'm making is we were all trying to get our first movie so we don't go get and we were like friend of me because we were competitive of like oh you got the new thing and I wanted to get that I wrote on that but you got it and it was cool friendly competition but we would all then go try to get this movie that movie the other movie and [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Bay came out swinging with bad boys and, you know, Spike Jones is now one of the Academy Award David Fincher blew it wide open with seven and then Fight Club and all of it. [UNKNOWN]: So it just then I had Charlie's Angels and Brett Ratner had Rush Hour. [UNKNOWN]: So we all kind of made our mark, but we all came from the same group of [UNKNOWN]: forcing yourself to come up with stories very rapidly and then execute upon them, which was good for development.

17:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's a great thing. [UNKNOWN]: It's a great thing to be ready. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And then would you make this movie as you're making it, I read this thing, you got paid like 350 grand for this. [UNKNOWN]: Which would have been minimum wage if you would have spread out how many hours I were less than minimum wage. [UNKNOWN]: So it's far from like you haven't financially made it at this point, you're just... No. [UNKNOWN]: And my dad's looking at me sideways because I come from that culture of like, when you're going to get a job, you know? [UNKNOWN]: And it wasn't until, [UNKNOWN]: Hollywood Boulevard shut down there's 10,000 people. [UNKNOWN]: I'm with three of the most beautiful women in the world You know this kid who got no chick action at all, and I'm the Hollywood Boulevard's closed down with bleachers on each side And I rolled up an vintage Camaro and jumped out and you know did a Michael Jackson split and moonwalk the fuck out of her [UNKNOWN]: Can I say, can I say that on this?

18:42 [UNKNOWN]: Sure, can. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: So it comes out, it's huge. [UNKNOWN]: It's worked well. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the biggest, the biggest, the biggest. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the biggest first time, the first time. [UNKNOWN]: First, some director, biggest opening in history. [UNKNOWN]: That's got to feel good. [UNKNOWN]: That felt really good, and that gets me to the sad, but kind of inspirational part of the conclusion, I then get trusted with Superman, OK? [UNKNOWN]: So Warner Bros. is like, hey, we want you to do Superman. [UNKNOWN]: And JJ Abrams is writing it which is hysterical because he's going on to be the biggest thing of all time But he's writing it for me and where we've been buddies ever since and they go and we've had really good luck with the matrix in Australia And we want to shoot Superman in Australia and of course my heart sinks But I never had the nerve jacco to preemptively go hey, I got a problem [UNKNOWN]: I can't accept this job.

19:28 [UNKNOWN]: I was too stubborn and I was too proud and I just thought I'm going to will myself to get over this and of course I was unable to and I was unsuccessful. [UNKNOWN]: But I'm so so you get signed to do superman. [UNKNOWN]: How long is that? [UNKNOWN]: How long are you sitting there going? [UNKNOWN]: Okay, you know, cool. [UNKNOWN]: We're going to shoot an LA cool. [UNKNOWN]: I'm good to go. [UNKNOWN]: And then they say, actually, you're going to go to Australia. [UNKNOWN]: they were always saying you got to go out of it. [UNKNOWN]: I was trying to work them into that. [UNKNOWN]: I said to yourself, you know what, it's a free consumer man. [UNKNOWN]: I will just grip my teeth and get it done. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just whatever. [UNKNOWN]: I looked into getting sedated. [UNKNOWN]: It proved to be too difficult with an anesthesiologist. [UNKNOWN]: I'll get into that. [UNKNOWN]: And to tell you what kind of friend I have who isn't you, Dr. [UNKNOWN]: I had [UNKNOWN]: I'll get to that punchline about the Australia thing when I finally, you know, slay that dragon.

20:13 [UNKNOWN]: But, um, I'm doing Superman. [UNKNOWN]: It's a six eighth month prep and the time finally comes again. [UNKNOWN]: And they're just, you know, like, Most people don't understand the Hollywood thing. [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, they didn't understand it before, but like, they're... [UNKNOWN]: putting all kinds of money. [UNKNOWN]: 10, 15 million dollars into the site locations. [UNKNOWN]: People got to go visit those things. [UNKNOWN]: They're doing story boards. [UNKNOWN]: They're figuring all the stuff out. [UNKNOWN]: Cost millions of dollars. [UNKNOWN]: They're renting the renting studios to have offices. [UNKNOWN]: It's a whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: You bet dump in money into Mick G's 10 or 15 million dollars. [UNKNOWN]: Um, they say we'll buy you the whole first class cab and because I I tried there were two guys running the studio at the time I tried to say hey I got a real problem You know, I don't think I can get on that flight and I have this bombastic personality and they literally jocco They'd be like a dream a team and like we'll figure it out Don't it's hard to under it's really very difficult to understand.

21:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm like I but I'm not and then I don't worry about it [UNKNOWN]: Cut to the Warner's G550 is fueled and turning, you know, the AP is turning on the tarmac. [UNKNOWN]: There's one guy standing at attention, you know, to welcome me, the jet stairs are down. [UNKNOWN]: There's one name on the manifest, McGee, I go, and I'm trying to wheel myself that far, and I can't get on the plane. [UNKNOWN]: How far do you make it? [UNKNOWN]: How do you mean? [UNKNOWN]: Did you make it to the stairs? [UNKNOWN]: Did you get? [UNKNOWN]: No, I got out of the car and I couldn't do it. [UNKNOWN]: So I was in between the car and the stairs. [UNKNOWN]: I just go back to the car. [UNKNOWN]: And I went back to the car and people didn't... [UNKNOWN]: I didn't tell anybody like, hey, I'm not going. [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, I just left because I was too humiliated and it was truly a low point of my human life.

21:46 [UNKNOWN]: Six hours later, I'm fired. [UNKNOWN]: I guess New York Times had the headline Superman can't fly. [UNKNOWN]: Yes, they love their irony, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And it was the lowest point in my life. [UNKNOWN]: I was scared, I was alone. [UNKNOWN]: I say to Ari Emmanuel, the biggest agent in the world's life, he came over to my house, gave me how you go say, man, we're going to get through this. [UNKNOWN]: That was big. [UNKNOWN]: I get a letter from Warner Brothers. [UNKNOWN]: We reserved the right to sue you. [UNKNOWN]: You've incurred so many damages this at the other. [UNKNOWN]: I finally limp into UCLA. [UNKNOWN]: I see two women that specialize in this sort of thing. [UNKNOWN]: Remind you, mind you, I'm not taking any drugs. [UNKNOWN]: Taking drugs is also part of my control thing. [UNKNOWN]: So I don't deserve credit of like, I'm so spiritually strong.

22:28 [UNKNOWN]: I didn't like acquiescing control to be at booze, or be at Coke, or be at pot, or be at like, you know, meth, or just anything everybody was party and in doing. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't like the idea that I couldn't just go and be sober. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I had to ride that train and see what it was. [UNKNOWN]: The, you know, psychiatrists started helping me with my diet of all things, things I could do with my diet, but more importantly, the behavioral therapist just started talking about, I don't want to know anything about your mommy issues, your daddy issues, your girl, I don't care. [UNKNOWN]: What are you afraid of? [UNKNOWN]: Echo, say snakes. [UNKNOWN]: We're going to the snake pit. [UNKNOWN]: Come on, but you're like, but my dad. [UNKNOWN]: I don't care about your dad. [UNKNOWN]: My knee hurt. [UNKNOWN]: I don't care about your knee.

23:09 [UNKNOWN]: We're going to the snake. [UNKNOWN]: I can't go to the snake pit. [UNKNOWN]: How close can you go? [UNKNOWN]: I can go 10 feet. [UNKNOWN]: Great. [UNKNOWN]: Go 10 feet. [UNKNOWN]: Stand there and eat it. [UNKNOWN]: Eat it for 10 feet. [UNKNOWN]: Tomorrow, can you go nine? [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, next day, eight, seven, go back to nine, freaked out how did bad day went backwards. [UNKNOWN]: Exposure therapy, exposure therapy, exposure therapy. [UNKNOWN]: I rented a G4 from a rich guy in Santa Barbara and I slept on the plane. [UNKNOWN]: I just got used to acclimating to the fuselage and the idea of being locked in there and doing the thing until finally one day we started taxing. [UNKNOWN]: And we would tax you around vana's and they thought we were crazy. [UNKNOWN]: And we're taxing around down eyes and the day finally came after many failed efforts where I looked at the pilot and he looked back at me and I gave the smallest nod and he pushed off on the throttle and we went and we flew from van eyes to Oxnard seven miles in a plane built to go around the world [UNKNOWN]: Uh, but it gave me confidence to try again the next day and fly back or to drive back.

24:09 [UNKNOWN]: We, we flew back. [UNKNOWN]: So I, the, I just, the flood, I just started going going going and getting better and better. [UNKNOWN]: And until one day, I left Los Angeles heading east and I returned from the west. [UNKNOWN]: I'd gone around the world, you know, with the corresponding stops for gas and everything. [UNKNOWN]: And then I finally thought my chest and said, I'm ready to go back and talk to the Warner guys who were kind enough, they didn't sue me, we figured it out. [UNKNOWN]: And I got the movie We Are Marshall that I did with McConaughey that was about a plane crash. [UNKNOWN]: I just want to say that dragon man, I'm proud. [UNKNOWN]: And I didn't want to give in to being such a punk. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I wanted to overcome this. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't wanted to deny my life.

24:50 [UNKNOWN]: I was so embarrassed that this is who I was because [UNKNOWN]: I like to lead, and I like to lead by example, and I like to be strong, and I like to believe I'm not a coward, but I felt like I was a coward. [UNKNOWN]: And I think this is also a huge reason why I didn't get married to a later in life. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't feel that I was worthy. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't feel that I was worthy of marrying a woman or certainly bringing children into life till I had a grip on this fundamental flaw in my life. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, as something you talk about in the movie, you know, it's okay to be afraid. [UNKNOWN]: You gotta be more brave than you are afraid. [UNKNOWN]: And the biggest thing, and you and I weren't pals at that time, but the biggest thing I deployed, I hear you talking about all the time, which is just so essential to me.

25:31 [UNKNOWN]: Motivation is great. [UNKNOWN]: Motivation is great. [UNKNOWN]: When you're motivated to work out, man, let's go bang it out at that. [UNKNOWN]: Go, let's get it done, and, you know, I don't like doing legs. [UNKNOWN]: Let's get legs today, you know, you're motivated. [UNKNOWN]: But infinitely more valuable is discipline. [UNKNOWN]: Because then you do it anyway, in the absence of motivation. [UNKNOWN]: And that's really in a nutshell what it took for me to never stop moving forward. [UNKNOWN]: Even the eye of the headache I see. [UNKNOWN]: And by the way, this is a terrible terrible disorder because you feel so bad. [UNKNOWN]: It gives you a migraine, you throw up, you know, it's impossible to rationalize, which is the genesis of irrational fear. [UNKNOWN]: You can't just go, what's up, dude, come on. [UNKNOWN]: Suck it up, me and Jokor with you, let's roll, if you fall down and lift you up, let's go.

26:13 [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't work that way. [UNKNOWN]: It's a totally different compartment of the brain, and you really need to learn how to sit with it and understand you're not going to go crazy. [UNKNOWN]: You can't induce your own heart attack. [UNKNOWN]: You can't stop breathing. [UNKNOWN]: If you say, hey, I go stop breathing. [UNKNOWN]: At some point, I'm going to take a breath. [UNKNOWN]: You can't do it to yourself. [UNKNOWN]: So, it's very painful and very difficult, but I've worked very diligently, and even to this day, people say, you know, I'm sitting here talking to you, I just got off the plane from New York four hours ago. [UNKNOWN]: They go, that's so cool, you're over it. [UNKNOWN]: But I feel like it's if you talk to somebody who used to weigh 600 pounds, and now is as fit as you guys. [UNKNOWN]: You go, I'm doing great. [UNKNOWN]: I'm eating right, I'm working out. [UNKNOWN]: This is where I want to, but like, I know if I get caught slipping, I'll go back to my 600 pound life.

26:58 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: So I need to stay in the pocket, stay focused. [UNKNOWN]: And it's a lot of these undercurrents that attracted me so [UNKNOWN]: powerfully to warrior kid, because I could have saved a lot of time and heartache if I could have had that kind of training much earlier. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't let it, but I didn't do anything about it for 15 years and it really baked into my life and really hurt my life. [UNKNOWN]: So the wasted time is the tragedy. [UNKNOWN]: You know, having loads to finally come back and have some highs, that's cool, but like, you know, don't waste time doing it. [UNKNOWN]: If you got a problem, go attack the problem, see some [UNKNOWN]: You know that exposure therapy thing is, so when I wrote the original word, a kid book, the water was a metaphor for Rana who wanted to be in the school play, but she was afraid to sing in front of anyone.

27:48 [UNKNOWN]: So she couldn't even do the rehearsal or what it's called, the trial. [UNKNOWN]: Right, the audition. [UNKNOWN]: She was like, I want to do it, but I'm not scared to do the audition. [UNKNOWN]: So one day, put her in a room, and she might have been like seven, eight, nine, something like that. [UNKNOWN]: Put her in a room, I shut the door, [UNKNOWN]: Sitting here by yourself and saying, I said I'm going to be outside in the hallway. [UNKNOWN]: So she did it. [UNKNOWN]: She learns there's nothing to be afraid of. [UNKNOWN]: The next day, I'm going to be in the hallway, but I'm going to open the door crack. [UNKNOWN]: You said, and you know, we went from there that it was mostly my wife and I, you know, in the hallway then my wife and I in the doorway and then my wife and I in the room and then the siblings in the room and then the neighbors are coming over and that's what we did and I didn't know this was a technique I just did I just did that like instinctively I did that's what we're doing, you know, and the military doesn't well [UNKNOWN]: too because you know the first thing you do is go over like an obstacle course you're going over like a tenfold wall the rope and then the next thing you know you're going over the cargo net which is you know 30 feet then you're going to slide for life which is 50 feet and then you're repelling out of an awful 84 wall and then you're repelling out of a helicopter and then you're jumping static line at 2500 feet and then you're doing free fall like they you learn how to okay there's a little bit of fear here I gotta get over that thing I gotta get over it I know what that feels like okay [UNKNOWN]: And then you build up the capability to just overcome that fear.

29:05 [UNKNOWN]: But it wasn't until I had Jordan Peterson who's a clinical psychologist on the podcast and he was he was explaining exposure therapy and I was like, oh, I actually did that with you guys. [UNKNOWN]: So you're doing your way ahead of us. [UNKNOWN]: Yep, that's what that's what you had to do to get through this. [UNKNOWN]: Do you feel like was there any other major components of life where this impacted you or was it just so manifested in flying on airplanes? [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the funny thing is it was very secular in the way that it was manifest. [UNKNOWN]: And it, like I say, the secondary games are such that all these other things that people would have, you know, singing in front of people. [UNKNOWN]: I could sing in front of the Hollywood ball right now and me and you could do our, you know, Madalco impressions.

29:45 [UNKNOWN]: And you know, we did not feel great about it. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, so it was very secular, but it's funny because people be like, hey man, you're afraid of flying. [UNKNOWN]: The net result is the same. [UNKNOWN]: This is kind of like semantics who cares, but I was never afraid of flying. [UNKNOWN]: I'm afraid of being in positions that are bad places to have an anxiety episode. [UNKNOWN]: And that would be a stuck elevator, a gridlock on a freeway, certainly a airplane at 42,000 feet above Antarctica, certainly a submarine, certainly a small boat on the way to Hawaii, certainly, you know, so it wasn't like, [UNKNOWN]: Flying because some people are actually afraid of flying like this thing's going down, man That's was never me But I was afraid to get on a plane because you're locked in a plane when you leave LA X to go to JFK That's it, man.

30:32 [UNKNOWN]: You're in a sealed dude. [UNKNOWN]: And you think that inings I'm saying a person that has these things that the anxiety attack can kill them like oh Yeah, you think that you're gonna have art attack. [UNKNOWN]: You're gonna die. [UNKNOWN]: Jaco the notion that the worst thing that can happen is you die Is perversely comforting [UNKNOWN]: That's how dark it is. [UNKNOWN]: That you think, well, the worst thing you have is I die. [UNKNOWN]: And you're like, I don't want to die, but, oh, because it's such a downward spiral of dread. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know any other word for it, but it's totally disproportionate. [UNKNOWN]: And one of these days, they're going to figure out what's lighting up in your brain, what the dopamine, oxytocin, I wouldn't know what, something's going on, it's out of balance.

31:12 [UNKNOWN]: But again, I try to focus on the positive that I know [UNKNOWN]: music videos. [UNKNOWN]: I used to listen to songs like I'd listen to like a Boston record, you know what I mean and you know I'd listen to more than a feeling and the visual component of more than a feeling is playing out in my head. [UNKNOWN]: You know it's kind of like this thing's synesthesia. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And there's no doubt that's a function of the same chemical balance in my brain that's killing me. [UNKNOWN]: with this anxiety condition, but it's helping me go I just know how to run 128, you know, strip SSL console to get the sound I want to get to mix the hip-hop sounds with the rock and roll sounds to write the song to borrow a little bit from this old song to put it all together to use the tools I have with this artists and do it same thing with the cameras.

31:55 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: I said I studied psychology and comparative culture which are their own [UNKNOWN]: assets and Hollywood. [UNKNOWN]: It's, you know, but I didn't study camera technique or balancing, you know, the white balance or, you know, the fundamental dynamics of different lenses and what it means. [UNKNOWN]: I learned that as I went, but I'm convinced that my chemical stasis has this horrible application, but a great many positive applications, and that helped me be less embarrassed. [UNKNOWN]: Because as a man, [UNKNOWN]: You know, I just sort of wasn't around it, but the idea that I would have this predicament was so embarrassing, it's impossible to overstate the embarrassment, because it wasn't my brand.

32:42 [UNKNOWN]: I wasn't known as like, you know, like, geez, a pus, fuck me, and I don't mean that in a drugstore way, I'm just reaching for words. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: But like, everybody, I was kind of in with the boys and I was in the pit, you know, listening to ways to youth and the circle jerks kind of mixing it up and not really afraid to take an elbow and get a knot on my forehead. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I wasn't a tough guy, but I wasn't a muffin, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And everybody had a hard time like, why does this guy who's one of the boys and ready to do it? [UNKNOWN]: have this thing that's just you associate particularly back then. [UNKNOWN]: It was before now when people were a little bit more tolerant of mental health issues. [UNKNOWN]: It was a pre-PTSD world. [UNKNOWN]: It was a pre-sensitivity world.

33:24 [UNKNOWN]: We're similar in age. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And you remember when we were kids, it wasn't like that. [UNKNOWN]: It was the world was nothing. [UNKNOWN]: It was, you know, that was it. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, again, I apologize to the wonderful ladies and the audience, but for lack of a more delicate way of putting it, it's like, don't be such a fucking pussy. [UNKNOWN]: That's just the way it went down. [UNKNOWN]: You know, and I really hated being on the receiving end of that, and it really motivated me to one day get over it, but it seemed impossible. [UNKNOWN]: It seemed impossible. [UNKNOWN]: Now tell you what makes it so hard, and that your listeners who have this condition is it's sadly very common. [UNKNOWN]: Here's what happens. [UNKNOWN]: Your heart starts racing and pounding out of your chest. [UNKNOWN]: You can't control your breathing.

34:04 [UNKNOWN]: And you've lived your whole life if you want to raise your right arm echo, you raise your right arm, lower right arm, lower right arm. [UNKNOWN]: But when you're like, stop heart beating out of chest. [UNKNOWN]: There's, there is no impetus back to snakes. [UNKNOWN]: It's not like I'm afraid of snakes and the snake python flew in here. [UNKNOWN]: I'm just, it's washing over me and I don't know why and I can't control my breathing and I can't control my heart and to the logical person it makes you feel like I'm not in control and that results in the problem. [UNKNOWN]: My buddy Dakota Meyer, who is a Marine Corps Medal of Honor recipient, like, win over and over again into direct enemy fire to save, to try and save some of his guys lost to told him like it's a crazy story.

34:51 [UNKNOWN]: And he was having, like, this is, you know, 10 years later, he was having anxiety attacks and I, again, I, I, I appreciate you explaining this because I'm like, what the, what do you mean? [UNKNOWN]: Like, just, you know, just, what are you talking about? [UNKNOWN]: You, you, you've been in like the worst most dangerous situations of any human imaginable. [UNKNOWN]: And yet, you know, you're in the grocery store and you're telling me you're, he's like, I'm having panic, what are you talking about? [UNKNOWN]: Stop having them. [UNKNOWN]: And he's like, no, it doesn't work like that. [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't work like that. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's got to be some kind of a some kind of chemical scenario going on. [UNKNOWN]: I really think so. [UNKNOWN]: I'm hoping when they get the maps of the brain better, AI may be as an assistant. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but I'm convinced of that because I don't have the like, oh, every time I wouldn't eat my dinner, I was beaten by my father.

35:36 [UNKNOWN]: And then I'd have an anxiety attack, and then every time I wouldn't eat my dinner, I was beaten by my father, and then I'd have it any good. [UNKNOWN]: You go, dude, here's what's going. [UNKNOWN]: And those things can't happen. [UNKNOWN]: But not this. [UNKNOWN]: And it very, very conspicuously corresponded to Jaco to puberty. [UNKNOWN]: Like, dude, I was flying all over the place. [UNKNOWN]: I was afraid of nothing. [UNKNOWN]: I was the thing. [UNKNOWN]: Right around 15. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'd wake up in the middle, and they were just, they were so rough. [UNKNOWN]: And like I said, you know, I could slap myself in the face as hard as you could. [UNKNOWN]: I couldn't feel it. [UNKNOWN]: That's because you were trying to get it to stop. [UNKNOWN]: Trying to get anything to bounce you out of that experience, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And it's just that breaks my heart to hear that some of the guys, you know what I got to believe is sort of like a classic PTSD trigger for the event.

36:20 [UNKNOWN]: But I wouldn't know. [UNKNOWN]: I mean the mind is a very, very mysterious, crazy thing. [UNKNOWN]: I don't proclaim to understand how it works. [UNKNOWN]: I can only talk about my story, but when I do talk about my story, a lot of people relate to it. [UNKNOWN]: And it is ironic that in a lot of other applications of life, you know me, we were on set every day from four in the morning till seven, like I'm just not a little too flower. [UNKNOWN]: you know like I just it's not my game so you wouldn't it's like your boy yeah you know what I mean is this courageous guy saved everybody went into incoming fire what could possibly be more dangerous and then something goes wrong in a grocery store and he's more afraid in that environment than he is in the war theater totally crazy kind of so it's so bizarre how the human mind works and like this is especially applicable going back to kids where [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.

37:10 [UNKNOWN]: You look at your kid. [UNKNOWN]: You're like, I'll just don't worry about that. [UNKNOWN]: You know, the kid comes home with whatever problem they have, you know, which is to them. [UNKNOWN]: It's their whole. [UNKNOWN]: This is what there's one of the things that I connected. [UNKNOWN]: One of the reasons that I wrote where your kid was. [UNKNOWN]: I had forgotten that when you're a kid or a person, a grown adult. [UNKNOWN]: Your world is your world. [UNKNOWN]: That's where you live. [UNKNOWN]: You have no, you're like a fish in the tank. [UNKNOWN]: There's no other water that you can get in there. [UNKNOWN]: So when there's drops of chlorine in that tank that you live in, you don't know that you could just leave that tank. [UNKNOWN]: People get so trapped in their own mind when your kids get emboiled at school. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, they're calling me whatever plate faces they turn my using in, in work. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, oh, the kids call me plate place. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, oh, who cares? [UNKNOWN]: Who cares about that? [UNKNOWN]: That's whatever. [UNKNOWN]: Sixth and seven break notes carry on. [UNKNOWN]: But, [UNKNOWN]: You cannot break people out of their own minds.

37:52 [UNKNOWN]: They've got to figure out a way to resolve this thing. [UNKNOWN]: But how can we help them? [UNKNOWN]: And Jaco, I don't know if it's appropriate to bring this up on the air, but I'll just take a stab at it and you'll be the judge. [UNKNOWN]: I'm not sure if you're aware. [UNKNOWN]: This is a terrible, terrible story I'm about to share with you. [UNKNOWN]: In our movie. [UNKNOWN]: There is a young girl who is up against the bus when the bus is crashed. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, you know this, she's the daughter of Chad Lowe, Mary, our producer, your buddy, my buddy, terribly close to the mother, she took her home life. [UNKNOWN]: And [UNKNOWN]: The parents are trying to be very courageous about it and share their story with others. [UNKNOWN]: And it's a cruel irony that I believe the exchange in the film is, I can't make it, I'm afraid, and Jude's character says, but you're more brave than you are afraid.

38:41 [UNKNOWN]: And the idea that that happened and the degree to which you as a parent, me as a parent, you think if you just could have gotten to tomorrow. [UNKNOWN]: You know, just whatever that bully moment was, the part you weren't invited, who knows what went into anything, or if you're properly depressed or anxious, the wheel of life is going to turn, that fish tank you speak of is going to change, you're going to be swimming in different waters, and you too wrote a song called Cotton a Moment about Michael Hutchins and how sad they were that, you know, he ended up killing himself and just this idea, it's just a moment. [UNKNOWN]: And if you can just tomorrow might even be a good day, not even less bad. [UNKNOWN]: It might the sun might come out and you find a reason to find joy. [UNKNOWN]: And you begin to come up from that darkest places.

39:23 [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's very difficult to reach people when they're in that moment. [UNKNOWN]: But just the degree to which that hit home and I know your heart is broken. [UNKNOWN]: My heart is broken and the degree to which we are with that family is immeasurable. [UNKNOWN]: But just, um, [UNKNOWN]: You're right, it's hard to reach people when they're living in their own life. [UNKNOWN]: And you want to just tell them, it's okay. [UNKNOWN]: Keep, you know, don't stop chopping. [UNKNOWN]: Just keep digging. [UNKNOWN]: What's your advice for that? [UNKNOWN]: I mean, your community looks to you to make sense of those moments. [UNKNOWN]: I do. [UNKNOWN]: It's all those things. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think one of the things when people [UNKNOWN]: understand what we're talking about. [UNKNOWN]: Like what you and I are literally talking about right now that you get caught people get caught. [UNKNOWN]: We get caught as human beings where I've always described as like a storm cloud that's around your head like me.

40:06 [UNKNOWN]: Gee, you could have just the most horrendous dark. [UNKNOWN]: Thunder clouds completely encompassing your brain, right and I'm sitting over here I'm 10 feet away those Thunder clouds are only four feet big, right? [UNKNOWN]: No matter which direction you see all you see is dark and so all you see is lighting all you see is rain all you see is thunder and Trying to explain to people that hey like those Thunder clouds you'll be able to move through those you will get through those you [UNKNOWN]: You will see the light again. [UNKNOWN]: It will happen, but like you said you gotta take that one more step today You gotta get through today. [UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be rough and listen that's the way life is you know life is life is hard Life is a bitch man life life knocks you down It's devastating [UNKNOWN]: and you gotta push through that and get through that next day because when you get through those clouds, there's gonna be light, there's gonna be good, but it is a gut check to get through.

40:53 [UNKNOWN]: And that's the test, that's a test of people face. [UNKNOWN]: I hear you would you recommend as someone who knows so much about this issue, preparing yourself prior to the moment. [UNKNOWN]: So you have that core and that strength that you can rely upon. [UNKNOWN]: So you're ready. [UNKNOWN]: You know, should things go terribly? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean as much as you possibly can, you know, you got to try that, but let's face it. [UNKNOWN]: You and I have no... [UNKNOWN]: people that are so strong and so badass. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, there's a freaking suicide epidemic from military veterans and from my own community and the special operations, there's a suicide epidemic. [UNKNOWN]: So it breaks my heart to you. [UNKNOWN]: As well as people can prepare themselves and what better preparation can you do?

41:36 [UNKNOWN]: Like you're the toughest, most badass human being out there and yet, [UNKNOWN]: You go to the grocery store and something doesn't go your way, or whatever the case may be, and all of a sudden you're in a funder club, and you don't see a solution to it. [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, I think it's all kinds of things. [UNKNOWN]: It's building good relationships with people. [UNKNOWN]: It's talking about one of the things that I have found, and I kind of discovered this unintentionally. [UNKNOWN]: So, I would end up being the guy that does the speech at the memorial service. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's just the way it is. [UNKNOWN]: And I realized after doing three, four, five of these things, sets of these things that what I was forcing myself to do.

42:18 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, this is like, you find out that your friend dies and your teammate, your brother dies, and you go, okay, 12 hours later, you're like, okay, the more surface is coming, hey, Jock, you're gonna speak, okay, well, I'm gonna now sit down and I am going to, [UNKNOWN]: Just expunge my soul into a piece of paper, cry and break my own heart and stab it and crush it. [UNKNOWN]: But all those things are coming out on the paper, right? [UNKNOWN]: And that is a way for you to detach from it and see it and feel it and accept it and relish it, right? [UNKNOWN]: It's like you're getting on a plane. [UNKNOWN]: It's like you're gonna, I'm gonna go sleep in the cabin with all these emotions and all these sad feelings that I'm gonna go sleep in the cabin with.

43:04 [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna get in there. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna go to the next, the snake pit, right? [UNKNOWN]: I'm going in there. [UNKNOWN]: In my own head, I'm going in there. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna write about this stuff. [UNKNOWN]: And in two days, I'm gonna stand up and front of everyone, I'm gonna say these words. [UNKNOWN]: And that to me, and then, you know, when I got out of the military and he started doing the podcast, and now I'm like talking about this stuff. [UNKNOWN]: I'm talking about this, you know, it's sweet about Dakota Meyer, like, when Dakota Meyer, I was sitting there talking to him on our podcast. [UNKNOWN]: And like, everything that he's talking about, I'm thinking about Mike and Montsour, who's my guy, Miller, or Scipient, I asked what I'm thinking about. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm thinking about what he's going to think of, you know, Dakota lived and Dakota's carried on with life and he's married. [UNKNOWN]: He's got kid, like, he's got all these good things to him. [UNKNOWN]: And then my mind of thinking like, you know, Mike Montsour didn't get that chance. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: Like, it's heartbreaking.

43:45 [UNKNOWN]: but talking through it. [UNKNOWN]: I believe is how you start to get those clouds to dissipate a little bit. [UNKNOWN]: So I think writing about things, I think talking about things, I think those are the most powerful things. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, one more additional story on that. [UNKNOWN]: My best friend, Seth, was killed in a parachute accident. [UNKNOWN]: Seth was like, he was like part of my family. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, this freaking mooching bastard was over at my house, he'd been, or six days a week, he's over there. [UNKNOWN]: And he's with my kids, if there was good waves and I would have won, he would come and pull my son out of school and take him surfing, he was in it, right?

44:27 [UNKNOWN]: And so when he dies, you know, in a parachute accident, and it's just absolutely freaking terrible. [UNKNOWN]: And he has been through so much in combat, been through so much in war, and lived through it without a scratch, and now he does in a parachute accident. [UNKNOWN]: And my son who was, you know, I would like to say he was like an uncle, but he was more like a brother, because, you know, Seth related to this young, you know, was it the love? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was Thor, okay. [UNKNOWN]: And so, you know, Seth and Thor, which we don't think we would serve in a five, four, clock in the morning, five, clock in the morning, driving up the coast, going about like that's what we did. [UNKNOWN]: And so, after Seth died, maybe three months goes by. [UNKNOWN]: And Thor's, you know, he's, uh, [UNKNOWN]: 14, something like this, and he's a tough kid.

45:13 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, I was tough on him as a kid. [UNKNOWN]: And he's a tough kid, and he comes home, doesn't complain about it. [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't complain. [UNKNOWN]: He knows not to complain. [UNKNOWN]: He's not complaining about anything. [UNKNOWN]: He's not complaining about the food. [UNKNOWN]: He's not complaining about the weather. [UNKNOWN]: He's not complaining about anything. [UNKNOWN]: He's not complaining. [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't even know where in the willing family with complaints. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: He comes home to me after about three or four months. [UNKNOWN]: And he goes, you know, dad, I'm sitting in class and I'm trying to concentrate. [UNKNOWN]: And I just keep thinking about Seth and I feel sad about it. [UNKNOWN]: And I found about it said, and this was what I made that first connection. [UNKNOWN]: I said, oh, here's what I want you to do.

45:54 [UNKNOWN]: I want you to go and I want you to write a letter to Seth's mom. [UNKNOWN]: And I want you to explain what you loved about him, what you cared about him, what you did that was fun, what you're never gonna forget and just go do that. [UNKNOWN]: And he did it, and he never had an issue with it again. [UNKNOWN]: That's so beautiful, and cathartic, and I think you're right. [UNKNOWN]: I think that's a real thing, and I'm no psychiatrist, but it's clear that that's a step in the right direction, as opposed to pushing it down, not letting it out. [UNKNOWN]: But you talk about the epidemic in your community. [UNKNOWN]: I would imagine a lot of guys don't have a lot of outlets. [UNKNOWN]: And don't have the wisdom to generate their own personal outlet, like a letter.

46:37 [UNKNOWN]: Or, you know, whatever it may be, but I just think it's maybe it's the responsibility of us to reach out to everybody and check in and provide a little bit of an outlet where somebody can let a little air out of that thing and decompress, so tonight's not the night where they make a bad decision. [UNKNOWN]: And you're 100% right because like for me and most my all my friends. [UNKNOWN]: we don't bring work home with us. [UNKNOWN]: That's a taboo to say, oh, I had a tough day at work. [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go home and complain to my wife about whatever or bring the sorrow from my work to my house. [UNKNOWN]: What I'm not doing that? [UNKNOWN]: So I'm not going to sit there and tell my wife, hey, here's the bad things that happened to me at work today. [UNKNOWN]: Here's what I'm feeling, no.

47:18 [UNKNOWN]: This is one time my daughter said, you know, the Wi-Fi in my room is not a strong signal. [UNKNOWN]: You know, can we move the, what's the thing called echo that puts the Wi-Fi in your house, the router? [UNKNOWN]: The router. [UNKNOWN]: Can we look at the, and I thought to myself, dude, I am, I have succeeded. [UNKNOWN]: You know, if my daughter is living in a place where like her complaint is that there's, [UNKNOWN]: three bars instead of four bars in her room. [UNKNOWN]: That's what I always try and keep like you don't want the bubble that you're putting around your families, which it's for really you want to you want to protect them for this stuff. [UNKNOWN]: So dragging in the misery of war and all this stuff I'm not bringing that into my house.

48:00 [UNKNOWN]: So most guys, that's their attitude. [UNKNOWN]: They don't want to bring the misery of the world into their house. [UNKNOWN]: I see, and so they don't have that outlet valve with their family. [UNKNOWN]: So you're right, the more that we can do it for our friends, to people that we know, we give them a little place to off-gas some of that pressure. [UNKNOWN]: So it has somewhere to go because if it doesn't go anywhere, it implodes. [UNKNOWN]: We see that too many times. [UNKNOWN]: That is extremely well put. [UNKNOWN]: It's very difficult to not think of, and you and I have talked about this, and you don't have the bandwidth for it, but I'm just telling you, I feel like you should generate a school. [UNKNOWN]: school system. [UNKNOWN]: I just think there is a moment of crisis right now that is so in need.

48:40 [UNKNOWN]: And you and I try to do it in the movie. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: Without being finger-wagon and just irrefutable good advice, irrefutable good, do your homework eat well. [UNKNOWN]: Exercise. [UNKNOWN]: Be respectful. [UNKNOWN]: These aren't red blue issues. [UNKNOWN]: These are irrefutably solid issues that not only will make a better world, you will indeed feel better about yourself and you'll all the while be arming yourself for the inevitable thunder clouds that are coming for you. [UNKNOWN]: You can't go. [UNKNOWN]: I want to go from zero to 87 and I don't want any shitty things happen to me in my life. [UNKNOWN]: That is impossible. [UNKNOWN]: There's going to be some terrible terrible things to happen to you so you gotta be prepared for them. [UNKNOWN]: And I just look at what's going on right now [UNKNOWN]: the grave lack of grit and the degree to which things are kind of flying off the rails and how there just needs to be a calibration.

49:28 [UNKNOWN]: And I know you as a human being. [UNKNOWN]: You're a warrior, you're tough, you've got strong arms, you're a judicious practitioner. [UNKNOWN]: Like one of the first times you met, you put me in a, you know, [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're naked joke. [UNKNOWN]: Well deserved. [UNKNOWN]: Well deserved. [UNKNOWN]: I'm had a comment. [UNKNOWN]: And you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: It's just sort of like this idea of a system to raise children to be ready for the world. [UNKNOWN]: Not just for their outward expression, but for their interior experience as well. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not aware. [UNKNOWN]: of a school system right now that is not too far to one side of the other or doing it in a balanced capacity. [UNKNOWN]: And I just think that there should be a balance, it's like a balanced nutrition, there should be a balanced regimen that takes care of so many of these things.

50:14 [UNKNOWN]: That is cognizant of the importance of physicality, cognizant of nutrition, cognizant of of service. [UNKNOWN]: And it's just not there. [UNKNOWN]: And [UNKNOWN]: the degree to which you balance it because, you know, there's a lot of people that worry about like, oh, toxic masculinity, and we got to look out for women and the underserved, I know world for a fact, that's not your boy, Jaco Willing. [UNKNOWN]: Jaco has a heart of gold. [UNKNOWN]: Jaco has an artist spirit. [UNKNOWN]: Jaco is a writer, and Jaco knows a whole hell of a lot about machine guns. [UNKNOWN]: They can all be true. [UNKNOWN]: And it's just sort of, I think that that's interesting, and you're a little bit of a unicorn in that regard. [UNKNOWN]: And [UNKNOWN]: You know, because there's military slant schools, there's like hardcore left-laning schools, what about balance, jocca-wheeling balance, you talk about it, you know, would you say episode 563 or where are we, you know what I mean?

51:04 [UNKNOWN]: You've been doing it a long time, doesn't mean you're not competitive, it doesn't mean that you don't have the fire in your belly, but it's healthy, there's grit there, there's drive, and there's a desire to leave it better than you found it. [UNKNOWN]: It's extremely rare, and it seems hard to fabricate, and there's a whole lot of crazy out there. [UNKNOWN]: I almost just wish there were just a system of being that we could harness and put out to the world. [UNKNOWN]: Well, we do have the Warrior Kid Books. [UNKNOWN]: We have the Warrior Kid Movie. [UNKNOWN]: I got it. [UNKNOWN]: Ever since the first Warrior Kid Book came out, people have been asking for like, are you gonna do Warrior Kid School? [UNKNOWN]: So maybe that's something we do. [UNKNOWN]: And it's, you know, just to circle back, you know, that's one of the pivotal moments, not to spoil or alert the movie, but [UNKNOWN]: Uncle Jake has these, he's got some pressure built up.

51:48 [UNKNOWN]: And one of the pivotal moments is when Mark says, why don't you tell me what happened? [UNKNOWN]: And that is exactly what we're talking about. [UNKNOWN]: No, it's exactly what we're talking about because when you let some pressure out, when you explain to people what's going on, when you write about it, when you talk about it, it is a way to help you formulate a plan to get through it. [UNKNOWN]: And that's one of the key components of the movie. [UNKNOWN]: I'm so proud that that moment landed and to you, the credit, you know, we were working out in pre-production the whole time, but that moment really sticks and it's true. [UNKNOWN]: And it's also something that, naturally, at the top of the film, he's not ready to give it away. [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, he's got everything out here, he's given it to the Heisman, he's got it in an arms length, and only through hard work and trust it, he finally feel comfortable enough to share with Mark what he was going through.

52:33 [UNKNOWN]: at one of the most painful physical positions, imaginable, the grave site of your friend. [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, to you, the credit, I wouldn't know about that world, I... [UNKNOWN]: I... [UNKNOWN]: I have nothing but respect for those who are willing to take up arms and protect what they believe in. [UNKNOWN]: And hopefully we got that more right than wrong with the movie because it's probably the most proud I've ever been to be a part of a film that matters so much. [UNKNOWN]: And I look around the world in the spirit of what we're talking about. [UNKNOWN]: And I never want to be like a finger wagon. [UNKNOWN]: You need to just lead by example. [UNKNOWN]: Lead by example. [UNKNOWN]: Again, the things that [UNKNOWN]: constitute the growth in the film are irrefutable and good for you.

53:18 [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: So, going back now, facing your fears, you get through it, you go, who'd you go back to Warner Bros. And once again, we are Marshall, which is about a football team that crashes in a plane and everybody dies. [UNKNOWN]: And you knew, you were going to fill, you found that on location. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you've filled with on location, the approach to the airport, the ball spot is still on the mountain. [UNKNOWN]: And I knew when I first landed there, I immediately walked. [UNKNOWN]: from the airplane back to the mountain that was on approach was a terribly stormy night that couldn't sit was back when they didn't have great tech to see through the clouds and when I have you only stuffed it into the mountain and that was it. [UNKNOWN]: Giant ball spot, I sat up there, I reflected, thought about what I was doing and a woman tapped me on the shoulder and I turned around and she's holding a letterman jacket of her boy, she lost in the flames and she said, tell the movie honestly, don't hide the pain.

54:15 [UNKNOWN]: the pain defines our town, the pain is who we are and how we rose from the ashes. [UNKNOWN]: And they put the football team back together, put the community back to you, I got chills thinking about it right now. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know she was there. [UNKNOWN]: I thought it went up there by myself, but like they were so excited about the movie to have a chance to share their story that, you know, they came up, they knew, I don't know, the new work coming and somebody walked up there and that's what that was and it was almost impossible. [UNKNOWN]: How poetic and beautiful that was and we really tried our hardest and you know your buddies of McConaughey, and you know I think McConaughey will be the first to tell you the same thing to this day. [UNKNOWN]: So yeah What did you know McConaughey before that? [UNKNOWN]: No, not really. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you know just kind of in Hollywood you see people in the shake hands Like you know an agent party or some gathering, but you don't really know anybody till you get in the trenches and you and you grind You know what I mean?

55:02 [UNKNOWN]: And you know it's a grind. [UNKNOWN]: I mean there aren't a lot of jobs that have a steward of the state [UNKNOWN]: Standing by with a stopwatch. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, tools down. [UNKNOWN]: Stop. [UNKNOWN]: You're all gonna die on the road home. [UNKNOWN]: Like do you need a hotel room or are you all right? [UNKNOWN]: Because it's so expensive every day that they, you know, they just have us working 22 hours and then you're 90 minutes from home. [UNKNOWN]: And you go to sleep on the freeway and you team on the guy next to you. [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it's a grind and that'll build great great strong relationships. [UNKNOWN]: And I think you experienced that first time. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I got to report to everybody. [UNKNOWN]: It's not Jocco's responsibility to be at the movie from what's called call, you know, like, hey, we're gonna start at six tomorrow. [UNKNOWN]: And then rap is usually 12 hours plus however long lunch took from the last person through the lunch lines 30 more minutes.

55:48 [UNKNOWN]: So like you can pretty much bet, if you have a seven-to-clock call, you're gonna rap around eight, then there's a ton of stuff to do after rap, you know, I like to be there every bit of 45 minutes if done in an hour early before call and get back together with the DP, the ADs, everybody. [UNKNOWN]: make sure we're tight because it's every day's $400,500,000. [UNKNOWN]: You do think, and Jaco will link for every single day of photography, except if you had to go like give a speech somewhere. [UNKNOWN]: You were there at call, you were there at rap, you were, you had a positive attitude, you were the best partner, and I mean, [UNKNOWN]: I felt good about it because I really like to prep, but people would kid me like, you know, here's this guy with echelon, give motivational speeches and getting everybody fired up, who's standing with his, you know, very formidable arms in this position right behind me, nose breath on the back of my back staring at the monitor.

56:35 [UNKNOWN]: And like, I knew I had to bring my A game or I was going to disappoint my new friend. [UNKNOWN]: And one of the most important things to me was to come through for you. [UNKNOWN]: I remember going down to San Diego to the gym, you know, I duck into [UNKNOWN]: good with all you were just like I don't know all I would seem to let down and not be with it and me and Ben just kind of kept banging the drum to kind of get the confidence and prat came in and we built our community brick by brick and very very honestly and you're being there every day really set the tone because you just [UNKNOWN]: Radiate leadership and lead by example, and that's exactly what a film set needs to listen. [UNKNOWN]: Without the violence, a film set has a great many similarities to a military procedure.

57:15 [UNKNOWN]: As you might imagine, the logistics of feeding, the regime, resting, how we got to do it to be, you know, positioned to be a very best of the whole nine yards. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: just you didn't have to do it you did it people out there that listen to your podcast you know like you don't get out of here and get in a Bentley and you know go put your feet and you know you like to kick out the jam so go rock and roll with Metallica and do your thing but like you're all about the word and that's refreshing [UNKNOWN]: you get done with we are Marshall that, you know, great movie, great movie, great one more. [UNKNOWN]: Well, and after that comes out, is this one your brother dies? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's another one that's just rough.

57:57 [UNKNOWN]: It's just my brother had a very strange relationship with cocaine. [UNKNOWN]: He, you know, he was a smart guy. [UNKNOWN]: He was getting a PhD in classical music. [UNKNOWN]: and he was always my friend and you know we we never really had like oh I'm not talking my brother Nick they they called him Nick short for nickel so he was just Nick and he was very good surfer and he was friends with all the guys and popular and better look in and you know all this stuff and he always had a strange relationship with cocaine where he would just get like [UNKNOWN]: a huge amount of it and do it for a couple of days. [UNKNOWN]: I'm just kind of like lock himself in a room type thing. [UNKNOWN]: They're not doing it for like a month. [UNKNOWN]: Not like the people, you know, you're from San Diego, didn't party in down there and you know, doing what they do.

58:40 [UNKNOWN]: Not really that kind of thing. [UNKNOWN]: And the whole time, I remember when I was a kid, first of all, I remember being called at 11 or 12 and he was 14, 15 and that's what also turned me off to it. [UNKNOWN]: Cause my brother and I were, you know, hitting each other and football pads and we were doing the whole thing and playing sports and racing each other. [UNKNOWN]: then he started drifting into doing too many drugs and it bummed me out to lose my friend. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: So that was my first, like, I don't really love the drug thing. [UNKNOWN]: You know, but anyway, so you had this problem and I knew about it. [UNKNOWN]: My older sister didn't really know about it. [UNKNOWN]: My parents sure said I didn't know about it. [UNKNOWN]: And I know enough about math to know. [UNKNOWN]: You can't do that for a human life. [UNKNOWN]: So you do that for 25 years. [UNKNOWN]: Cut two. [UNKNOWN]: I remember, I'm dating a beautiful woman at the time, I'm about to go on this terribly deep pocketed guy, Ron Burkle's private jet to go from LA to New York to go to what's called the Upfronts.

59:30 [UNKNOWN]: For, you know, I've got like five TV shows going on the air, you know, terminators going to come, you know, I'm really in a really good moment, my phone rings. [UNKNOWN]: And it's my nephew, my sister's oldest kid, and he's hyperventilating, he's hysterical, [UNKNOWN]: so what do you do you know your world goes into slow motion I pull the bags out of the car I'm on my way to van eyes to get on it's like a 767 like it's not not a Gulf stream it's like a anyway it's a Burkled Balls art and I'm in a days and I'm driving down to Newport but an hour from LA down in Newport my brothers in Newport I get there it's the most macob scene you could ever imagine the cops are all there but there's no sound but the lights are gone so there's this eerie red and blue light going [UNKNOWN]: Then you see what I never knew was a corner van, which is decidedly undescript, just a white van.

1:00:22 [UNKNOWN]: And I did the math, I'm like, that's the corner van, because my brother's dead body is inside. [UNKNOWN]: And I go inside, and my brother's body was still there. [UNKNOWN]: For whatever police reasons he had moved yet, and he was in the garage dead. [UNKNOWN]: There's a big giant pile of cocaine on the washer and dryer. [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it was just one of the most horrible experiences in my life. [UNKNOWN]: And furthermore, maybe this is something you can speak out as a leader of men. [UNKNOWN]: I also couldn't go into my thing about what I need as how I was so worried about my parents, knowing that it was going to put them in the grave, my sister, everybody else. [UNKNOWN]: I went immediately into, I got to, I got to handle this because, you know, [UNKNOWN]: My understanding in the world of psychology, there is no more antithetical difficult thing to endure than bearing a child.

1:01:12 [UNKNOWN]: I can't imagine. [UNKNOWN]: Well, you're in that business, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: You've had deal with a lot of parents who've had to bury children that were your boys and your, you know, partners and deepest of friends and, you know, brothers and arms. [UNKNOWN]: And my understanding is that it makes sense, you know, I haven't done it, but if you reflect on your children or I flex your back, it's impossible. [UNKNOWN]: It's impossible. [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think that whole ever fills. [UNKNOWN]: I think you figure out a way to keep living your life, but you don't [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, that was unbelievably brutal. [UNKNOWN]: I don't wish that on anybody and the worst part of it about is certainly what it did to my parents.

1:01:54 [UNKNOWN]: Because I knew I was not one bit surprised. [UNKNOWN]: I was as heartbroken as a human being can be, but I wasn't like, oh echo! [UNKNOWN]: I can't believe it, man. [UNKNOWN]: Zero, I can't believe it. [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, my brother's doing that. [UNKNOWN]: You're gonna, and he had like a major coronary episode as, how could you not? [UNKNOWN]: He was probably 41 at the time, and that's just what happened. [UNKNOWN]: You can't keep going to that spot and not have something go wrong. [UNKNOWN]: And that's what happened, and yeah, it was just a true, true low point, and just the, [UNKNOWN]: difficulty and the sadness of trying to bring my parents out of that whole a whole they never recovered from and rightfully so and they did well you do the best you can and you keep going but boy uh I don't wish that anybody and I look around at us as parents that is just not something anybody should have to go and they didn't really know about his you know about drug use [UNKNOWN]: They had no idea, but I knew everything, because I was in the rock and roll world, and he was a tertiary part of the rock and roll world, and there were all the guys that were party and doing the thing, and you, everybody, you know, drug addict, you go into a bar where the guy was looking for cocaine, he finds the other people with cocaine, you know what I mean, or whatever the drugs you're looking for.

1:03:07 [UNKNOWN]: They all have an unspoken rhythm, where they can all find what the score is. [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, so I knew it and I was heartbroken and I helped him many times. [UNKNOWN]: I put him in rehab twice. [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of guilt of could I have done more. [UNKNOWN]: But I think, and I'm sure you've had plenty of people who worked the program on your show and do the thing, you got to be ready to buy into that program. [UNKNOWN]: It's not gonna work if you got one foot in and one foot out. [UNKNOWN]: It seems to me, you would know a lot more about it. [UNKNOWN]: Oh no, no, it's definitely not gonna work. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I had a friend who was a very, very, very wealthy guy. [UNKNOWN]: You know, pretty much unlimited resources and his son was a, you know, was a junkie. [UNKNOWN]: And he said to me, he said, you know, hey, I kind of just gotten to know him a little bit, met him through some business stuff.

1:03:48 [UNKNOWN]: And he said, he pulled me aside and said, hey, you know, I would really love for you to come talk to my son. [UNKNOWN]: My son's like addicted to heroin. [UNKNOWN]: He's been in a rehab, blah, blah, blah, blah. [UNKNOWN]: I said, yeah, of course, you know, no problem. [UNKNOWN]: You know, he was lived in the Midwest. [UNKNOWN]: And I said, yeah, you know, I'll get out there, you know, let's set something up. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, through weeks later, the kid OD didn't die in a park. [UNKNOWN]: And talking to the guy afterward, he told me that he had done everything. [UNKNOWN]: that he could possibly do, except for, like, tough love caught him off, you're done. [UNKNOWN]: Like, that's the only, he did, you know, millions of, at least said literally millions of dollars worth of rehab and cycle hours and all this stuff. [UNKNOWN]: The one thing he didn't do is say, hey, you're done.

1:04:31 [UNKNOWN]: When you're doing drugs, you cannot, you've no more money for me. [UNKNOWN]: No more staying at my house, you go live on the street. [UNKNOWN]: That's what, that's what you're gonna get. [UNKNOWN]: And he never did that, because I mean, and me, I wasn't like, I can't believe you didn't do that. [UNKNOWN]: No, I can't imagine a parent, I can't imagine what it takes for a parent to get to the point where they go, you know what, you go live in the street, go sleep and possibly OD tonight, or turn tricks, or do whatever the hell you gotta do, but I'm not gonna give you any more money. [UNKNOWN]: That gets, [UNKNOWN]: very difficult to understand what that would take and so that that idea of like what else could you do is a very as you said [UNKNOWN]: Unless someone wants to make that change themselves, that's very, very good.

1:05:14 [UNKNOWN]: But I would have fantasy. [UNKNOWN]: And I see Joko of like, you know, God, my brother just could have gone to Wyoming and worked on a farm up at foreign the morning, shovel shit, feed the chickens, break your back in the sun, eat a square meal, go to bed, wake up, do it again, be away from the environment, away from the influences. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's kind of ideal and hard to do, but sometimes I beat up on myself that I think that could have been [UNKNOWN]: And I don't mean for two weeks, six weeks, every bit of a year, if not five years, don't come off that mountain, change your life and re-rack your worldview. [UNKNOWN]: And just, you know, you're not around it on the farm, you wake up at four in the morning and discipline equals freedom.

1:05:56 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it doesn't work like that. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know. [UNKNOWN]: I had another friend that, in the 70s, took his cousin. [UNKNOWN]: and like abducted him and put him in the cellar and like handcuffed him to like a pole. [UNKNOWN]: To get him to stop and then like once he was once he'd gone through withdrawals, right? [UNKNOWN]: He'd gone through the withdrawals and then said, okay, we're gonna slowly like slowly reintroduce him to the world and like had him 100% clean and sober and kept tight control over him and the minute that he said, okay, you know, obviously you're good to go. [UNKNOWN]: You have all the gut can't believe. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much for holding on yards. [UNKNOWN]: done. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the people got to want to make it happen.

1:06:38 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do. [UNKNOWN]: I know, and then, you know, gets into also just as a parent, like, you know, you know, from your kids, I got my three kids. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, am I going to go three for three? [UNKNOWN]: Am I all three of my kids getting an navigate all those challenges today? [UNKNOWN]: Now you got social media. [UNKNOWN]: Again, the jury's in that is bad for you. [UNKNOWN]: Our movie talks a lot about that in a roundabout way. [UNKNOWN]: Um, [UNKNOWN]: on and on dangerous world but i mean what can we do but keep trying here comes a i can't wait to get into a i with you and with that's all about i'm sure you've had incredible guests that are so insightful about that but um yeah it's a wild world um terminator salvation how'd you get that gig [UNKNOWN]: I went and begged Jim Cameron to give it to me. [UNKNOWN]: I was lucky enough to get Christian Bale to want to be a part of it.

1:07:20 [UNKNOWN]: Chris Nolan's brother, Jonathan, who goes by Jonah Nolan, wrote it for us. [UNKNOWN]: You know, that was during a writer's strike. [UNKNOWN]: So it kind of disrupted the writing flow and our flow. [UNKNOWN]: I think we got a lot right with that movie, but a couple things wrong. [UNKNOWN]: Like, it's not, we thought Christian Bale, this is on the heels of Batman, he's the most credible guy in the world, you know, Joan and Nolan, brother of Chris Nolan, Sam Rockwell, Artista Sam Rockwell, Sam Worthington, Sam Rockwells and Charles Angels, one of the Academy Awards, Sam Worthington from Avatar, [UNKNOWN]: You know, some, again, it's this Jim Cameron triangle. [UNKNOWN]: We really tried to put the pieces together, respect the hardcore, and it did really well We've made like, you know, three hundred seventy four million dollars, which back then was a whole lot of money So there's no shame in it, but I wanted it to break the world and it was it was fine You know what I mean?

1:08:07 [UNKNOWN]: Which was extremely painful for me because I wanted to get it right so desperately and I feel like we just missed by an inch [UNKNOWN]: I mean, people don't be like that's suck dude, what's wrong with you when you look at it was it like the way you put it together Well, I think it's the way we finished it. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think everybody really dug the way, you know, Bryce Dallas Howard's in it She's got so much credibility Sam Worthington equal credibility. [UNKNOWN]: Hello, Avatar [UNKNOWN]: Um, and it's just, movie making is extremely difficult. [UNKNOWN]: Nobody sets out to make a bad movie. [UNKNOWN]: Um, look at your favorite filmmakers. [UNKNOWN]: You don't like all the movies the same. [UNKNOWN]: Do you like every Tarantino movie as much as your favorite Tarantino? [UNKNOWN]: So it is what it is, and that was still a net super positive.

1:08:49 [UNKNOWN]: It was awesome, and I like the movie a lot. [UNKNOWN]: And it was a thrill to be a part of that lineage, and now look at the world we're living in. [UNKNOWN]: Where you got, you know, I forget which robot company it was that has their robots now jumping into the cauldron. [UNKNOWN]: Did you see that this week? [UNKNOWN]: You know, as they're moving on to the 2.0 of the robot, they're getting rid of their old robots. [UNKNOWN]: I have a programming them to on their own jump into the molten metal like the end of Terminator 2. [UNKNOWN]: It's wild, the world's so wild. [UNKNOWN]: Echo Troll, so Echo is the resident Terminator expert. [UNKNOWN]: Sub back up. [UNKNOWN]: Which is that suit? [UNKNOWN]: How did Echo? [UNKNOWN]: Two degrees. [UNKNOWN]: How did I miss? [UNKNOWN]: No, that's what I want to cause... [UNKNOWN]: you know, especially when you're thinking of it kind of from scratch. [UNKNOWN]: It's hard to be like, oh, that was done wrong. [UNKNOWN]: But when Terminator Salvation came out after I watched it, I was like, yeah, I mean, I don't get what part do you think you missed?

1:09:38 [UNKNOWN]: I think the ending. [UNKNOWN]: We had a very, very dark ending at the studio just wasn't down with going for where he was going to wake up and be the bad guy after the heart exchange. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And kill everyone. [UNKNOWN]: Go to black. [UNKNOWN]: And it would have been like oxygen out of theater, bummer, you know, but maybe talked about really for eternity You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: I've just like it really was a dupe and you know It's which is sort of like that old movie invasion the body snatchers You see the person you think is your friend and then they turn you and do the like mouth open point thing and you're like you realize You lost them to the dark side [UNKNOWN]: And that, that seems like a thing, right? [UNKNOWN]: And Hollywood, sometimes we're that dark ending could have been some people's opinion would have been better, but just wouldn't have wouldn't have flowed it.

1:10:23 [UNKNOWN]: I think people just get nervous. [UNKNOWN]: You've got so many hundreds of millions of dollars in play. [UNKNOWN]: They're scared, right? [UNKNOWN]: To just go, can we do the dark thing and potentially shit the bed? [UNKNOWN]: That's pretty high stakes. [UNKNOWN]: So it's hard to tell them that they're being ridiculous. [UNKNOWN]: And also you test the movie. [UNKNOWN]: You remember testing our movie? [UNKNOWN]: And it's just, you know, you listen to what the people want. [UNKNOWN]: And there really is something to be said by that. [UNKNOWN]: Like the three of us want to make a movie great. [UNKNOWN]: You and I'll put some chips together. [UNKNOWN]: We'll make our movie and nobody can tell us what to do. [UNKNOWN]: But if we're going to go take $100 million from, you know, David Ellison or somebody else like that, I think it is arrogant and ridiculous to act like we're only going to do what we want to do. [UNKNOWN]: We don't care. [UNKNOWN]: When you pay for your movie, you can do whatever you want to do. [UNKNOWN]: And nowadays you really can do that.

1:11:04 [UNKNOWN]: You can raise enough movie to make a first-rate film. [UNKNOWN]: and have no compromises. [UNKNOWN]: Distribution is a little tough, but not as tough as it used to be with YouTube and what look at you. [UNKNOWN]: Look at how self-made you are. [UNKNOWN]: Did some giant media conglomerate come down and pull you out of San Diego and give you a try? [UNKNOWN]: They definitely try. [UNKNOWN]: I know, but you did it on your own and you're better for it. [UNKNOWN]: Same thing with Chaco, fuel, same thing with origin, same thing with you know what you're doing with the warrior kid rollout. [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know, it's all, it's all given taking that regard. [UNKNOWN]: And what way did that movie let you down and what made it through you? [UNKNOWN]: It did not let me down, I mean, aside from my personal, like... [UNKNOWN]: if it was more gory, you know, kind of a thing. [UNKNOWN]: But that was just me, but to me, that wasn't something that you could write down on paper and say, that's what's wrong with the movie.

1:11:49 [UNKNOWN]: So it's fairly put. [UNKNOWN]: Because I don't think it was grossly wrong. [UNKNOWN]: I don't think anybody looks like that sucked me. [UNKNOWN]: I went to hell. [UNKNOWN]: It was freaking amazing. [UNKNOWN]: Like to me, that was such a good, especially when it came out. [UNKNOWN]: That was such a good portrayal of the future that we kind of imagined, especially when you go back to Terminator the first one. [UNKNOWN]: And they just had little flashes of it and stuff, which was well done for the, for 1984. [UNKNOWN]: Shit. [UNKNOWN]: It's insane. [UNKNOWN]: And everything, all that updated technology, film, all these techniques and stuff, the way it presented the future to me was spot-out, even just even like done to the color. [UNKNOWN]: That done. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the way the color looked was very, you know, drained and monochromatic and just sort of tried to create this oppressive dirty, difficult, post-pocalyptic world.

1:12:33 [UNKNOWN]: But I'll ask you guys, it's hard to make a sequel. [UNKNOWN]: Like I really dug the first Charlie's Angels. [UNKNOWN]: The second one wasn't as good. [UNKNOWN]: It's just hard. [UNKNOWN]: What's a better sequel in the history of film? [UNKNOWN]: There's probably three or five tops. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, maybe Godfather too. [UNKNOWN]: But Godfather once just is good. [UNKNOWN]: Maybe Aliens, which was Jim Cameron where his Ridley Scott was the first. [UNKNOWN]: Maybe. [UNKNOWN]: But then people might go, no, Aliens. [UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's [UNKNOWN]: So, but Terminator 2 was even better than Terminator 1.

1:13:16 [UNKNOWN]: That's the one where you go, dude. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but as far as like you're concerned, as far as the end of the day when the movie was delivered. [UNKNOWN]: What do you, is there an even anything that you were like, I think that could have been done. [UNKNOWN]: Like, for me, it's singularly focused on the ending and the prospect of having, it didn't work out endings, which would have been haunting and depressing, but maybe super badass. [UNKNOWN]: And maybe would have resulted in a cult classic and maybe would have just been the demise of the film having any commercial success. [UNKNOWN]: Because everybody made their chips on that movie, which was good, but we thought we were going to break it wide open. [UNKNOWN]: We thought we had, you know, transformers level, juggernaut. [UNKNOWN]: And, uh, we did well, but we didn't, we didn't break the bank.

1:13:58 [UNKNOWN]: So that moved a little additional little tidbit of trivia. [UNKNOWN]: That chocolate kind of knows about, we've talked about it on podcast. [UNKNOWN]: Terminator, uh, salvation has the best trailer. [UNKNOWN]: That trailer is how it landed on me and what inspired my whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Terminator, something like that. [UNKNOWN]: The day the whole world went away. [UNKNOWN]: Come over this table and just start grappling with you right now, dammit. [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, from a huge fan hit, well done, I know. [UNKNOWN]: That is very kind of you to say my friend. [UNKNOWN]: That's very kind, I got to let everybody know that Eko really gave all and warrior kid, because he had to, he was grappling, and he was doing his thing, we're sweating, we're in a tight little set, and you know, he's in the background of every shot, so it wasn't like, hey man, the cameras are off you, you can chill, we were constantly grinding, and you killed it, man, you did the best.

1:14:46 [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's where the quote comes from, [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, it was a long day, it was one of those long days, and, you know, the people that are extras, which were you an extra? [UNKNOWN]: Was that pretty much for the background actor? [UNKNOWN]: Background actor, like Echo Charles, they're out there, you know, they're just doing the same thing over and over. [UNKNOWN]: He's getting thrown, he's doing the thing, he's getting thrown, he's doing the thing, he's getting thrown, he's doing the thing, he's getting thrown, he's doing the thing, he's getting over and over and over, that's what everyone's doing, and, like, randomly, randomly, as we're, you know, the camera stops or something, we're filming something, we cut and you go. [UNKNOWN]: you go hey guys in the cage this is it's echoing right hey guys in the cage you guys kind of look over you guys thank you so much for providing excellence and legitimacy to this scene [UNKNOWN]: And thank you, boom, all right, we went back to it and I'd know that I saw it.

1:15:37 [UNKNOWN]: I looked over at Echo that he gave me the nod, but to the go, I got it. [UNKNOWN]: Excellence and legitimacy to the scene was brought by Echo Charles. [UNKNOWN]: It was, it was, it was, it's Stone Cold Truth. [UNKNOWN]: What's it like, you see me, you said your expectations so high for Terminator Salvation. [UNKNOWN]: that anything less than atomic blockbuster wasn't good enough. [UNKNOWN]: Correct. [UNKNOWN]: That's pretty much where you are. [UNKNOWN]: Of course. [UNKNOWN]: But that's the risk you take. [UNKNOWN]: Correct. [UNKNOWN]: If you and I go, hey man, we're going to go do Star Wars. [UNKNOWN]: Anything other than Star Wars, juggernaut, change the world is a disappointment that you're going to take those kicks. [UNKNOWN]: But I'm dude, maybe I should have been more afraid of taking the kicks.

1:16:17 [UNKNOWN]: But that's one thing I'm not afraid of taking kicks. [UNKNOWN]: And I just kind of feel like if you're going to go through hell, [UNKNOWN]: Don't come out empty handed, learn a lesson, deploy it, and try again. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, not everything is going to work out, and that's one thing that I've never had trouble with, even to the point of, you know, some people think, and I'm, I mean, because, look, I don't have a rich uncle in Hollywood, so for me to abandon going to Med School to say, I'm going to start a record label, seem insane. [UNKNOWN]: For me to say, the first movie I'm going to do is be a movie of the magnitude and the size and the complexity of a Charlie's Angels movie with Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore, [UNKNOWN]: Lucy Lou Bill Murray, Krasem Rockwell, you know, as the first time ever and people go, God, man, were you nervous that first day? [UNKNOWN]: And I say, not one bit.

1:16:59 [UNKNOWN]: I was so ready. [UNKNOWN]: I just, I'd shot enough film in music videos and commercials and knew exactly what I wanted to do. [UNKNOWN]: I feel like the world was ready for the thing I was going to do and nobody else is doing it yet. [UNKNOWN]: And I just, [UNKNOWN]: Couldn't have gotten after it harder and just felt great back to the it's weird mostly having anxiety And I'm worried about the mean nothing. [UNKNOWN]: I couldn't get there fast enough I knew exactly what to do the guy who was shooting the movie Russell Carbender just won the Academy Award for Titanic Yeah, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And I was like Russell I want a 8 millimeter on the ground right here We're gonna roll a 48 frames already go. [UNKNOWN]: I want to shoot it into 16. [UNKNOWN]: I really want that depth of field [UNKNOWN]: And it's just like, everybody knew, you know, like, I knew what I wanted and I just, it became, it was very, very natural for it.

1:17:46 [UNKNOWN]: What's shooting it, because you, we didn't really talk about it, but you're doing like high end advertising, it's for Coke and like stuff like that. [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of a transition from your doing videos, your videos, your music videos, we're doing so well that people in the advertising world said, hey dude, we could use you to do something here. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, at that time, there was the gap was floundering, okay, and there was a guy named Mickey Drexler who was running the gap, my understanding, and he was like, we need a new idea. [UNKNOWN]: So we all got together and there were several people, but the idea was pitched as led by me and a couple other guys and girls. [UNKNOWN]: of, you know, let's get good-looking healthy, no makeup, boys and girls in khaki pants on a white psych.

1:18:27 [UNKNOWN]: A white psych means that stage has no beginning and no ending, it's just kind of white, you just saw it on our stage over here. [UNKNOWN]: And they're going to dance, you know, they'll do one that's hip-hop, we'll do one that's country, we'll do one that's soul. [UNKNOWN]: and that really reinvigorated the gap so that was a big win for us and we won all the awards that year so that helped but it didn't help enough to say that Sony would be like yeah get that guy to do Charlie's Angels it really took Drew and it took Quentin and it was still begrudging and then all the way through it. [UNKNOWN]: those guys, you know, literally came down to fire me a couple of times and only drew because she was so I'm getting fired for it. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I'm getting fired for it. [UNKNOWN]: That was so cool. [UNKNOWN]: Not over budget, not over time. [UNKNOWN]: Why is it so colorful?

1:19:08 [UNKNOWN]: Why is everybody singing and dancing? [UNKNOWN]: Is this drama and my laughing? [UNKNOWN]: What? [UNKNOWN]: But how come when Cameron kicks somebody, she flies through the air and does three kicks in the air before landing the final one? [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, because it's gonna be bitching. [UNKNOWN]: It's gonna be a original, people will feel respected, it's gonna make you feel a way you've never felt before. [UNKNOWN]: That's the answer. [UNKNOWN]: And they would cause rasa, rasa. [UNKNOWN]: And they... [UNKNOWN]: just barely not fire me and they'd go back to the mothership you know and then we tested it and uh it worked and it worked and the guy who was the head of physical production tough dude big dude 350 pound dude you know came from like the I Nazi you know docks culture of like his dad was a big guy in Hollywood and the guy's name was Gary Martin [UNKNOWN]: I had to go down and see him, the head of the studio sent me down there and Gary's like, I don't want you to make this movie.

1:19:59 [UNKNOWN]: I don't think this is a movie for a first-time guy. [UNKNOWN]: And if you go one minute over time on any given day, I'm going to come down there and I'm going to yank you by the back of the neck off that set and I'm going to unplug the generator. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: I said, yes sir. [UNKNOWN]: And I thought he meant it. [UNKNOWN]: And I never, I shot it was a 100-day film which is long. [UNKNOWN]: And I shot for 100 days without doing one minute [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I finally went back and I reported to Gary to the whole movie that was no overtakes. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was his bullshit, I just wanted to. [UNKNOWN]: And we became great friends out to that. [UNKNOWN]: But like I took him at his word and just really, you know, had to be focused and not much more ready for the whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: So that was that, and then the TV thing, guys weren't making TV shows who had good luck in features.

1:20:44 [UNKNOWN]: But my agent is already a manual, who's very famous guy nowadays and done extremely well. [UNKNOWN]: And has a lot of fabled stories about fights and things he had to do to land where you ultimately landed. [UNKNOWN]: But he goes, you're going to make a TV show, no, I'm a feature guy, he goes, no, you're going to make a TV show. [UNKNOWN]: And I met a really smart guy from Providence, Rhode Island named Josh Schwartz, who was going to USC and he had the idea for something about Orange County, and we came up with the OC together. [UNKNOWN]: Because I was that dude, the Seth Cohen character, I mean, Josh is like, hey, I'm a Jewish guy from Providence, Rhode Island going to USC with all the strapping water polo dudes and, you know, no shirt, jacked, six, five, two, fifty, I'm just rippling muscle.

1:21:28 [UNKNOWN]: And I go, I was that guy. [UNKNOWN]: you know like chickening out on the beach while all those very dudes were going surfing when it was pumping with like a south at the point or the wedge was grinding or anything and i'm like i'm not going out so that was what we bonded upon for the point of entry and we had the oc which was also very culturally significant for the years that it ran and then we had the show supernatural which is the most successful science fiction television show in the history of american television ran for how long how long 15 years so what we so what did you have to do with [UNKNOWN]: I created the show with the corresponding showrunners. [UNKNOWN]: So it was just funny because every time you have a showrunners, a kid, you need like a big, strong person in the community to go.

1:22:09 [UNKNOWN]: I will be the guarantor to make this show as great. [UNKNOWN]: And you forget how young I was. [UNKNOWN]: I did Charlie's Angels at 29 years old, a Goraphobic 29 years old, not the best backstop, you know, you could think of. [UNKNOWN]: But I was the guy that had to take, you know, Eric Krippky was the guy who created supernatural Josh Schwartz was the O.C. [UNKNOWN]: guy. [UNKNOWN]: They're only about 18 months younger than me, but I was regarded as like the heavy, knew the ropes and Hollywood. [UNKNOWN]: They would make sure these kids, you know, didn't screw it up. [UNKNOWN]: So it was kind of funny and like the lunatics run in the asylum, but it worked very well. [UNKNOWN]: Because again, it's also the arts. [UNKNOWN]: I want to talk about you and how somebody that [UNKNOWN]: has the clarity of thought, and has the proficiency that you've clearly demonstrated in a military capacity, has maintained your artistic soul.

1:22:55 [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if your audience knows the degree to which you are an artist, and you are a writer, you are a proper through and through a writer, you're verbal acuity, you're word command, and then you show up and you act, Jaco, I don't want to hear about it, but you're great in the mood, I'm not winding you up. [UNKNOWN]: This is editorial, no notes. [UNKNOWN]: You're we'll tell that story, but you're great in the movie. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I know it wasn't a stretch You weren't playing in you know the elephant man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like but still dude It was really really clean and really authentic and exactly what we needed at that moment. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, new guy get over It was like it just it was so authentic. [UNKNOWN]: It's just I've been that kid at that class and you just filled that role But how do you maintain your artistic side while living in a tough world?

1:23:43 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's just very natural, I think, and there's for you, not many. [UNKNOWN]: There's a whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: So, military, what you see on the outside of the military, right? [UNKNOWN]: There's a great book. [UNKNOWN]: It's called The Psychology of Military Incompetence. [UNKNOWN]: It's a great book written by a guy that was World War II, who was a British guy. [UNKNOWN]: He was wounded in World War II, you know, fought hard, who was wounded, got done with the war, went and became a psychologist, and he wrote this book called The Psychology of Military Incompetence. [UNKNOWN]: And what he figures out in this book is that, well, the way the military looks from the outside, is like, okay, everyone's wearing the same uniform, everyone respects the rank, if I'm in charge, and I give an order, everyone's gonna have to listen to me.

1:24:24 [UNKNOWN]: And when people that have an authoritarian mind, [UNKNOWN]: Which, by the way, is a closed mind, which, by the way, is not a creative mind. [UNKNOWN]: When people see that from the outside, many of those people with that authoritarian closed mind they get attracted to it because they think, oh, if I can put the rank on my collar, I will be the guys in charge and finally everyone will have to listen to me. [UNKNOWN]: That's what's going to happen, and that's exactly what I want. [UNKNOWN]: So, the military attracts people like that. [UNKNOWN]: Those people generally speaking, [UNKNOWN]: They perform very well in what we call a garrison environment, meaning in the rear, meaning on the parade field, meaning inspecting the barracks, meaning doing uniform inspections, all the cheesy, what they call chicken shit.

1:25:08 [UNKNOWN]: They call it, in the military, they call it stuff chicken shit. [UNKNOWN]: In that world, these authoritarian clothes-minded people, they do very, very well, I see, where they don't do well. [UNKNOWN]: is in combat. [UNKNOWN]: Because in combat, the enemy gets a vote. [UNKNOWN]: The timeline doesn't matter anymore. [UNKNOWN]: The people that listen to you and obey you without question when you told them, hey, Mcgee, I want you here at 0900 in this uniform. [UNKNOWN]: You do it. [UNKNOWN]: Of course, you're going to do it. [UNKNOWN]: But when I say, make G, I want you to charge that machine gun nest and you might die. [UNKNOWN]: There's a whole other, make G. I might get back on, hey, I'm not charge that machine gun nest. [UNKNOWN]: So I have to actually learn how to interact with other human beings.

1:25:49 [UNKNOWN]: So what you end up with, the military has a stereotype of the leadership being what you see in full metal, the first 45 minutes of full metal jacket. [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to yell and scream and that's what leadership is like. [UNKNOWN]: that does not work in actual combat, I see. [UNKNOWN]: And so what you really, what they really, the people that do well in combat are people that have a creative mind, people that are interesting, people that can envision things in a different manner, people that listen, people that pay attention, those are the people that do well in combat. [UNKNOWN]: And so the military is filled with people like that. [UNKNOWN]: The military is filled with people that are highly creative. [UNKNOWN]: And sometimes the people that are highly creative, [UNKNOWN]: Because there's no war going on and so when they get told you don't be at this time This would be this uniform.

1:26:34 [UNKNOWN]: They go up to what the hell are you talking? [UNKNOWN]: Why are we doing that? [UNKNOWN]: It's a waste of time I want to go freaking Metallica's playing tonight, right? [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to go see them Why do I let me get the day off? [UNKNOWN]: They don't they don't fit well sometimes in the garrison situations now. [UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you I Did well in both like I will I knew that in order to [UNKNOWN]: in order to get where you need to be, you gotta be good in Garrison. [UNKNOWN]: You gotta be able to play that game, and I play that game well, and the political thing and the way that you interact, the way you communicate, the way that you communicate with the troops, is different than the way you communicate with the commanding officer, which is different than the way you communicate with the animals and the generals. [UNKNOWN]: And because of I very lucky in my career path, I was an enlisted guy, was with the troops, I was one of the boys, and then I got elevated to an officer position and all of a sudden I could still move out of speak their language.

1:27:18 [UNKNOWN]: And eventually, it was the Abelzeid, and so now I was communicating with the, [UNKNOWN]: I was sitting in rooms with the four stars, literally the four stars and the secretary defense. [UNKNOWN]: I'm in the meeting. [UNKNOWN]: I hear how these guys are talking. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm going, okay, I understand how these people are talking. [UNKNOWN]: So I learned how to speak these different languages. [UNKNOWN]: And that's, you know, was very beneficial in my career. [UNKNOWN]: Not so much for my career myself, but when it came time for me to get something for the [UNKNOWN]: I knew how to talk to him. [UNKNOWN]: And so I could take care of my platoon, I could take care of my task in it very well because I could build good relationships at the chain of command. [UNKNOWN]: And to get to the question that you had, when you look at a target, it is an exercise in creativity.

1:28:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what it is. [UNKNOWN]: When you write a concept of operations, it is an exercise in creativity. [UNKNOWN]: When you write someone's evaluation so they can get promoted, [UNKNOWN]: Unexercising creativity, you, you, that's why I studied English. [UNKNOWN]: By the way, I went to college. [UNKNOWN]: I have been in the Navy for... [UNKNOWN]: I guess 10 years I had been in the Navy for 10 years before I went to college when I went to college I said I'm going to study English. [UNKNOWN]: Why the hell are you going to study English? [UNKNOWN]: Because I had already learned that the most important skill that you can have as an officer is Being able to write well being able to read well being able to speak well. [UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to study English So I can take this thing and I can do it at a higher level.

1:28:43 [UNKNOWN]: So I can take care of my guys more [UNKNOWN]: So everything that you do in the military, if you frame it correctly, is absolutely an exercise in creativity. [UNKNOWN]: So that's the main part of the answer. [UNKNOWN]: The other part of the answers, I love music, I love movies, I love rock and roll, like that's just, I mean, I play the song of any of you. [UNKNOWN]: I had freaking band practice last night. [UNKNOWN]: We ripped, you know, an hour and a half. [UNKNOWN]: We rip for an hour and a half. [UNKNOWN]: We played four songs. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: Every song is like a complete, you know, a journey into wherever. [UNKNOWN]: And we're never going to play those songs again. [UNKNOWN]: That's what's happening. [UNKNOWN]: So I think that's just something that's always been in me, you know, always... [UNKNOWN]: But you're rare, part of your rare.

1:29:24 [UNKNOWN]: Jocco, what is your solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict? [UNKNOWN]: I see, we're going to take the war right now with Iran. [UNKNOWN]: The war if I run, the war of the air will be really conflicted. [UNKNOWN]: Well, yeah, this war with the world, let's listen to it now. [UNKNOWN]: My solution from the current. [UNKNOWN]: You've inherited what it is today on, what do I say October 10th? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you've inherited it. [UNKNOWN]: And now you've got the ball and you're in the White House. [UNKNOWN]: How do you move forward? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, well, first of all, I say this because you can't speak the way you just spoke and not have all of us excited about you being the secretary of defense or maybe you got to run for governor of California But how how would you manage the war with Iran right here right now?

1:30:05 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I think it's [UNKNOWN]: First of all, I would initiate the whole process by getting probably like six days worth of briefings, of course, of things that we don't know. [UNKNOWN]: Right, yes. [UNKNOWN]: There's all these things that we don't know that are shaping the decisions that are getting made. [UNKNOWN]: There are things that we don't know that we can't know because you're going to burn sources. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's information that gets gathered. [UNKNOWN]: So there's a lot of that that gets missed by the, So you can collect the data. [UNKNOWN]: you collect the data. [UNKNOWN]: You understand the score and then what you know one of the things that so it appears to be sort of a modern day siege warfare meaning you know in the old days you got the bad guys in the castle well you don't attack the castle you just surround the castle and they're gonna run out of food and water and that's that appears [UNKNOWN]: me like what will end up happening in Iran will kind of do siege warfare on them eventually they're not going to have the money they're not going to have the food they're not going to they're not going to have the infrastructure anymore and they're just going to kind of not be able to do anything.

1:31:09 [UNKNOWN]: I mean it seems like that's kind of getting to a point where they're right now. [UNKNOWN]: So that's that you know to unfortunately. [UNKNOWN]: We gave them a little bit of leverage, right? [UNKNOWN]: And I don't like to give other people leverage. [UNKNOWN]: I don't like an outcome that I'm going into to be based on what McGee's gonna do. [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to be based on what I'm gonna do, right? [UNKNOWN]: It's very fair. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna do this, and what McGee does, he can do this, he can do that, but that's not the predictor of the outcome that I'm looking for. [UNKNOWN]: I'm only gonna tell you, and I'm only gonna rely on what I am going to do. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, what you do, you can fight, you can start a system, it doesn't really matter me. [UNKNOWN]: Here's what I'm doing, that's what I'm gonna do, when I'm done with it, I'm done.

1:31:49 [UNKNOWN]: There's, you have almost no say in the outcome. [UNKNOWN]: So that's, I like to set things up like that and that's the way we kind of operate. [UNKNOWN]: Where are you on the deployment of the Lincoln? [UNKNOWN]: As one who would know. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so I did, I was in the seal teams, but I did three ship board deployments. [UNKNOWN]: And I have a friend that's a Hollywood guy that wrote me a text and he said, I can't believe what's going on in the April on the Abraham Lincoln. [UNKNOWN]: And I said, yeah, I can't believe that people are surprised by it. [UNKNOWN]: And he was kind of like, well, what do you mean? [UNKNOWN]: Listen, when you're on a ship, ships, they're not cruise ships, right?

1:32:33 [UNKNOWN]: They are freaking warships. [UNKNOWN]: And when you're on a warship, you know, when you look at the hierarchy of what the hierarchy of importance of where the focus of taking care of the warship goes, the crew is not at the top of that list. [UNKNOWN]: The aircraft are at the top of the list. [UNKNOWN]: The bombs are at the top of the list. [UNKNOWN]: The communications gear is at the top of the list. [UNKNOWN]: All those things are what the crew is there to serve. [UNKNOWN]: So if you can either get gas for the planes or a crab and lobster for the troops, the planes are gonna get the gas, that's the way it works. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I didn't ship or put it. [UNKNOWN]: I did ship or deployments where we ate chicken patties three meals a day for weeks.

1:33:15 [UNKNOWN]: You know, because hey, until that supply ship shows up with some carrots and some lettuce and some apples, hey, we're down with chicken patties. [UNKNOWN]: That's what we're getting. [UNKNOWN]: That's what we're eating. [UNKNOWN]: Chicken patties for breakfast. [UNKNOWN]: You might have chicken patties with muffins. [UNKNOWN]: For lunch, you might have a chicken patties with bread. [UNKNOWN]: For dinner, you might have chicken patties on a bun. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Do you see that's what you're getting? [UNKNOWN]: I understand completely. [UNKNOWN]: You see pictures of the bathrooms on a ship. [UNKNOWN]: They look gross. [UNKNOWN]: They are gross bro, like there's 5,000 people on an aircraft carrier, there's a bunch of people using those heads It's like that's that's they look like shit. [UNKNOWN]: They're nasty and you go in there You do your best to clean them, but you know this thing's been on I have to get how all the Abraham Lincoln is but [UNKNOWN]: When they go and refurbish the Abraham Lincoln, where it goes in a dry dock, they refurbish the mechanism, the warfiting mechanisms on that, and then they declean up the toilets a little bit of that's the way it is.

1:34:08 [UNKNOWN]: So conditions on a worship for the crew are not good. [UNKNOWN]: Yep, they're not good. [UNKNOWN]: That's normal. [UNKNOWN]: And the supply officers, they're doing the best they can to get a new supply ship to come and let's get some steak. [UNKNOWN]: We might be able to get, I mean can you imagine trying to get 5,000 steaks? [UNKNOWN]: Oh, like it's, it's hard they do it. [UNKNOWN]: They don't know how to have a logistics option. [UNKNOWN]: They do it, but they can't do it all the time, especially in a warfighting capacity. [UNKNOWN]: So when I looked at it, you know, it's hard and it was a long deployment, you know, that sucks by the way. [UNKNOWN]: All Navy deployment used to be nine months on. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Then they became six months. [UNKNOWN]: The Army deploys for a year.

1:34:49 [UNKNOWN]: And by the way, the Army also gets extended to 14 months, 16 months. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I have friends that deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan for 14 months, 15 months. [UNKNOWN]: Like that's, and that's Army. [UNKNOWN]: That's Army occasionally like a guy in joint special operation. [UNKNOWN]: Somebody like there might be a seal that deployed with an Army in an Army capacity that goes for a year. [UNKNOWN]: But most of the time, the Army in Marine Corps, [UNKNOWN]: do six month deployments. [UNKNOWN]: So the Abraham Lincoln was gone for a long time. [UNKNOWN]: That sucks, man, sucks for the families. [UNKNOWN]: They're back home. [UNKNOWN]: They're looking at that calendar for five months, and 29 days, they're looking at that calendar, going, dad's going to be home, or mom's going to be home on this day. [UNKNOWN]: And then they get, uh, actually it's not that day. [UNKNOWN]: Actually, it's another month, another month. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that sucks. [UNKNOWN]: That sucks. [UNKNOWN]: It's, it's, it's very hard on the family.

1:35:29 [UNKNOWN]: But these are, these are war fighters. [UNKNOWN]: These sailors are out there. [UNKNOWN]: That's what they do. [UNKNOWN]: That's their job. [UNKNOWN]: That's what they do. [UNKNOWN]: I understand. [UNKNOWN]: So do we want our sailors, soldiers, sailors, airmen and marine to have the best living capacity we have so we can't? [UNKNOWN]: Of course we want that. [UNKNOWN]: Are they going to have it when there's a theater war going on? [UNKNOWN]: Nope, they're not going to have it. [UNKNOWN]: You know my first trip to Iraq, we were eating MREs. [UNKNOWN]: That's what you're eating. [UNKNOWN]: And then eventually they set some stuff up and you can get they hire some locals and they start bringing in some freaking lamb or whatever and like you start to get [UNKNOWN]: Homecooked food, you know, but it takes time. [UNKNOWN]: So that's, you know, the Abraham Lincoln, they just got back, so have glad that they're back and they fulfilled their mission and got after it.

1:36:13 [UNKNOWN]: And did they get the best food? [UNKNOWN]: Nope, did they get, do you have, is it comfortable living on a ship? [UNKNOWN]: Nope, it sucks living on a ship. [UNKNOWN]: It sucks, if you're thinking about joining the Navy, it's a freaking hard life being on a Navy ship. [UNKNOWN]: It's not, the Navy ship is not there to take care of the crew. [UNKNOWN]: The Navy ship is there to send [UNKNOWN]: to send the munitions into harm's way and that's what it does so that's you know that's what the that's what's going on with the Abraham Lincoln this is so much more interesting than the G last question who is the greatest MMA fighter of all time [UNKNOWN]: Um, I got a couple there, so do you who fade or amalien in you?

1:36:55 [UNKNOWN]: How are you? [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I'm just just a second. [UNKNOWN]: Just a second. [UNKNOWN]: Should I jump over this table and tackle Echo? [UNKNOWN]: You know, fade or his name is always, always there. [UNKNOWN]: Um, he had an incredible run. [UNKNOWN]: He had an incredible run. [UNKNOWN]: You know, soccer robber. [UNKNOWN]: No GSP. [UNKNOWN]: GSP's great. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I guess we have to determine what we're talking about here. [UNKNOWN]: I think you want to talk about their linear kind of, I'm not mad at Fedor. [UNKNOWN]: I think that's an incredible choice. [UNKNOWN]: What about Hibib? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I like Hibib. [UNKNOWN]: Obviously clearly a dominant, I'm a grappler. [UNKNOWN]: He was a very dominant grappler. [UNKNOWN]: You know, did he have, [UNKNOWN]: What, the striking?

1:37:35 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the striking, but did he, did he have, he didn't really have like a like a Larry Bird Magic Johnson, he didn't have a magic Johnson, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: He didn't have someone that was kind of there to question for the next time. [UNKNOWN]: Well, we were hoping it was going to be Connor, but it didn't pan out. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's, you know, this goes back to the age-old striking versus grappling, right? [UNKNOWN]: Striking versus grappling. [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of a, that's kind of a move point. [UNKNOWN]: Like grappling is going to beat striking when you have some purists. [UNKNOWN]: Now, I'm not saying that Connor was a purer striker because he's certainly not, and I'm not saying that Habib was a purer grappler because he's not, but they were so prominent in those two categories that it really did become a striking versus grappler scenario.

1:38:24 [UNKNOWN]: And you had someone that was that much better at grappling, and it's going to go the way it's going to go. [UNKNOWN]: I understand. [UNKNOWN]: If you practice Brazilian jujitsu as a normal human being, what benefits will you see in your life? [UNKNOWN]: You'll see benefits in all aspects of your life. [UNKNOWN]: I figured. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: First of all, you're, first of all, you're going to get a workout, right? [UNKNOWN]: You are going to get cardio workout, you're going to get strength workout, you're going to get mobility workout, because you're going to use some muscles that you haven't, you don't really even know are there, because moving in some weird ways, you are going to be, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're [UNKNOWN]: cognitively challenged. [UNKNOWN]: Because you've got to learn and you've got to learn things.

1:39:05 [UNKNOWN]: And you've got to look at them with a creative, from a creative viewpoint. [UNKNOWN]: And that's actually a very interesting point. [UNKNOWN]: So my daughter, Rana, my daughter, Rana did you just as a kid, stopped doing you just to wrestled, and then got back in a jiu-jitsu. [UNKNOWN]: When she first got back in a jiu-jitsu, this goes into the creative mindset, right? [UNKNOWN]: I was a little worried that when she got back into jujitsu, wrestling is much more linear in its thought, right? [UNKNOWN]: It's just, it's just, there's not as much to do. [UNKNOWN]: You have, there's more rules, more rules, there's more constraints. [UNKNOWN]: You can't be as creative in wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: Not that wrestling is not creative, but it's less creative than jujitsu. [UNKNOWN]: And I wasn't sure if Rana was going to have that creative [UNKNOWN]: open mind that is required to become great at Jiu Jitsu.

1:39:51 [UNKNOWN]: It's required. [UNKNOWN]: You can become a great wrestler with a close mind. [UNKNOWN]: You don't have to be a great person. [UNKNOWN]: And that no slack to wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: Wrestling is probably the best martial art to have a basin. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for sure. [UNKNOWN]: Prior to Jiu. [UNKNOWN]: I am an absolute, I am a massive fan of wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: But you can be a close-minded, authoritarian, minded person. [UNKNOWN]: And you can be a champion. [UNKNOWN]: A world-beater gold, a gold medalist Olympic champion in wrestling. [UNKNOWN]: I can't really get there in Jiu-Jitsu. [UNKNOWN]: You have to have some kind of creative spark that allows you to assess things and change things and modify things, you have to have that for Jiu-Jitsu.

1:40:34 [UNKNOWN]: And so with Rana, I was a little worried. [UNKNOWN]: And then I remember I was washing her one day, and she was doing some stuff, and I hope there it is. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's gonna be good activity. [UNKNOWN]: Because she has that creativity, and she has the ability to have an open mind and try new things. [UNKNOWN]: And so when you look at the striker's versus grapplers, [UNKNOWN]: I'll listen, if you go, well, what about chocolate Dell? [UNKNOWN]: He's a striker, no, chocolate Dell was a freaking deep, he was a D2 wrestler, like he was a bad ass wrestler. [UNKNOWN]: And you can, there's a bunch of people like that, that they had a great wrestling background, and then they just, you know, became good strikers and they used a striker. [UNKNOWN]: But I wouldn't say, you know, Kazushi Saka-Raba, yeah?

1:41:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, Saka-Raba, talk about, [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just an incredible story that he wrote with his career and the way the way he was just iconic. [UNKNOWN]: So I think both those guys, um, yeah, there's so many great fighters. [UNKNOWN]: You know, then you get into the UFC roster, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And the UFC roster is just phenomenal. [UNKNOWN]: And what's great, I mean, I was very lucky that I had a, [UNKNOWN]: a very close, I was intertwined in that whole, in the great years of the early UFC. [UNKNOWN]: I was totally intertwined in the whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: So, so many great fighters that, you know, yeah, GSP.

1:41:58 [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I was backstage, you know, I was cornering someone, I think it was Corn and Dean Lister, but you know, servants caught in weight together and watching GSP cut weight. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm looking at him going, that's why this guy is a champion. [UNKNOWN]: You could see, though, just the way he was cutting weight, his professionalism, [UNKNOWN]: his behavior, his attitude, it was, there was no doubt when he was in the room. [UNKNOWN]: You're like, that guy, that guy must be the champion because look at the way he's out. [UNKNOWN]: Just, just a total professional. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, GSP phenomenal, there's so many great fighters in the UFC. [UNKNOWN]: And the UFC is really, [UNKNOWN]: It really is an incredible rise, you know, it's an incredible sport, and I think that, you know, warrior kid is going to help out. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: The whole, there were, we are about to have a generation of, of kids that start training jiu-jitsu, and, and that's what the movie comes out November 25th, the next day of Thanksgiving.

1:42:47 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So that's the, November 27th, there's going to be lines at the jiu-jitsu academies. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: So they can sign up. [UNKNOWN]: And here's the difference, you know, people, people [UNKNOWN]: When a kid goes to see Warrior Kid and then they roll down to the neighborhood Jjitsu Academy, there's a 97% chance that that academy that they roll into is to a little legit and awesome and there's a awesome Jjitsu instructor there that has experience, that's a square to a guy. [UNKNOWN]: When karate kid came out and the kid rolled down to the local karate studio. [UNKNOWN]: They were going in there. [UNKNOWN]: It was not cool. [UNKNOWN]: Like karate in that day in age was not real. [UNKNOWN]: It was not real. [UNKNOWN]: It was fake. [UNKNOWN]: It was, you know, it was bullshit.

1:43:29 [UNKNOWN]: And so now when they see the movie and they see what time, by the way, more ties in the movie as well. [UNKNOWN]: Um, wrestling in the sequel, by the way, but but Mojitai's in the movie. [UNKNOWN]: So people are gonna see what they saw in the movie And they're gonna go to a jujitsu academy or mix martial arts academy and they're gonna learn what they saw in the movie Because you didn't learn you didn't go to local crowd studio and learn the with the crane kick the crane you didn't go and learn that You didn't learn wax like you you didn't learn what they showed in the movie, but what we show in the movie Yeah, it's real jujitsu [UNKNOWN]: You're going to learn it and that's why kids are going to go up it's going to be it's going to create a generation or two how did you like working with Chris Pratt?

1:44:10 [UNKNOWN]: That's great. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was great. [UNKNOWN]: You know, what do you think of him as a performer and as a human being? [UNKNOWN]: So so the first time I met Chris we were [UNKNOWN]: we were going so my buddy Jack Carr wrote the terminalist series and you know I was in sealed team to Jack Carr were buddies and he knows I'm a UFC guy and they were going to watch UFC in Vegas and he goes hey what we're going watch UFC in Vegas we're taking the jet from LA right you want to come up do the do the thing yeah and I'm like yeah cool [UNKNOWN]: And he was, hey, here's going to be other of this guy's going to be here. [UNKNOWN]: And he's Chris Praskin be there. [UNKNOWN]: And I thought to myself, oh, you know, here we go. [UNKNOWN]: Here's the, here's the big movie Hollywood guy. [UNKNOWN]: And what I thought of Hollywood guys was a team America world police.

1:44:54 [UNKNOWN]: That's where I thought Hollywood people were because I didn't know any of them. [UNKNOWN]: I never met any of them I thought it was like no that thought they were in a muddame and and stuff and I thought that's just Hollywood would just the shallow fake whatever people and I got to go meet this guy He's probably some shallow fake you know arrogant asshole and I roll up and dude He's just awesome like out of the gate. [UNKNOWN]: He's funny. [UNKNOWN]: He's self-deprecating. [UNKNOWN]: He's he's not he's not like [UNKNOWN]: He's the center of gravity in the room, not because he wants to be, but just because he is. [UNKNOWN]: And when he's not, he doesn't care, like he's just totally cool, totally nice, totally good to go. [UNKNOWN]: And I was proven completely wrong about what I thought I was meeting. [UNKNOWN]: And so I thought he was awesome.

1:45:35 [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, we ended up with the whole business relationship, the jockel fuel stuff, the origin stuff, like we ended up doing all this stuff. [UNKNOWN]: And then the movie comes around, and again, you know, now we're like you said. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're on set with the guys for months, right? [UNKNOWN]: You know, 13 hour days, 14 hour days. [UNKNOWN]: It's freaking, either too hot, too cold, it's hot. [UNKNOWN]: The sun's too brighter, it's too dark, whatever the thing is. [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I mean, he's just an awesome guy. [UNKNOWN]: He's just an absolutely great person. [UNKNOWN]: An awesome guy, an awesome nice guy. [UNKNOWN]: He cares. [UNKNOWN]: He's always looking to do the right thing. [UNKNOWN]: He treats people, he treats everyone just respectfully. [UNKNOWN]: He's nice, he's funny as hell.

1:46:16 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's just he's just an awesome guy and the other thing I realized is and I think this has been our our our buddy Ben Everard, you know He's like that's why he's Chris Pratt yeah, you know you're like because you go you know What sort of luck did this guy to get what kind of luck did this person have to get famous and certainly he was lucky [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he has an incredible story. [UNKNOWN]: He's a great guy. [UNKNOWN]: He's got an object poverty that washing 10 years, the whole I years, like I mean, nobody gave it to him. [UNKNOWN]: But he had to go get it. [UNKNOWN]: He got, you know, there's a reason that he got pulled from being a waiter to like go and being a movie. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and there's a reason that from that movie, he got this and he got that and he got another thing because he is a dynamic, funny, charismatic, magnetic person.

1:47:03 [UNKNOWN]: Yes, he is. [UNKNOWN]: And so yeah, we're lucky to have him. [UNKNOWN]: I thought he did a great job. [UNKNOWN]: He did such a great job, and he took it so seriously. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna freak out when I see Jude, because he's probably 610. [UNKNOWN]: We saw him the other day. [UNKNOWN]: I haven't seen him in the past. [UNKNOWN]: Not 610, but he's definitely grown up. [UNKNOWN]: He's grown up. [UNKNOWN]: He's definitely couldn't play the role right now. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: He looks on the far side of it. [UNKNOWN]: He looks too old to play the role right now. [UNKNOWN]: And I guess he could, but he wouldn't be the same. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I was looking at pictures of him when we filmed. [UNKNOWN]: He's like, uh, bowsack posted the other day of the picture with him on my shoulders. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it looks like it looks. [UNKNOWN]: It looks appropriate. [UNKNOWN]: If I put him on my shoulders right now, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go.

1:47:45 [UNKNOWN]: So, yeah, no, he was great. [UNKNOWN]: Linda? [UNKNOWN]: How about her? [UNKNOWN]: And then she blew up in that other thing since we didn't know. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's incredible. [UNKNOWN]: She's just, we got lucky with that. [UNKNOWN]: Because no, it's going like that. [UNKNOWN]: I know. [UNKNOWN]: We really got lightning in the bottom of the screen. [UNKNOWN]: Well, there's a scene that they film. [UNKNOWN]: And man, she's so good and she's crying, you know? [UNKNOWN]: In the scene. [UNKNOWN]: And she's not overcrime, but she's like, how much am I going to, like, [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's real. [UNKNOWN]: She's a beast. [UNKNOWN]: Like whatever she pulls, like, you know, from whatever, however that happens, you're like damn, okay. [UNKNOWN]: That is impressive. [UNKNOWN]: And her and Chris work so good together. [UNKNOWN]: I thought they were perfect. [UNKNOWN]: They were just amazing as brother and sister. [UNKNOWN]: I love you. [UNKNOWN]: Very good. [UNKNOWN]: Awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Um, okay.

1:48:26 [UNKNOWN]: You done interviewing me? [UNKNOWN]: You're more interesting than me. [UNKNOWN]: Your audience knows that. [UNKNOWN]: By the way, that's what I always fantasize about. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, I want to know about Jockel. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: I want to know about Jocco. [UNKNOWN]: I want to know about what it was like the first day you went into, you know, you're being in your service career. [UNKNOWN]: I want to know how you define bravery. [UNKNOWN]: I want to know what you're impressed with. [UNKNOWN]: I want to know what you want to change about though. [UNKNOWN]: But I guess we'll do that in a second episode. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: We could do that in a second episode. [UNKNOWN]: But you know, man, you know me. [UNKNOWN]: I'm very interested in people who make a difference. [UNKNOWN]: I'm interested in people who go for it I like people who take chances. [UNKNOWN]: I like people that move the needle. [UNKNOWN]: You're one of them and I just I think that that's interesting So I want to make sure that your people on all this episode with this mekji character I want to know about jokka.

1:49:10 [UNKNOWN]: I want your jokka on echo nickel [UNKNOWN]: People've heard about it. [UNKNOWN]: The way they do it. [UNKNOWN]: No. [UNKNOWN]: We can never get out of it. [UNKNOWN]: There's so many hundreds of hours of me talking. [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of ridiculous. [UNKNOWN]: If you think about it. [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of... That's what we're here for. [UNKNOWN]: And there's a lot of people, not some. [UNKNOWN]: There's some people that they will... [UNKNOWN]: They almost... [UNKNOWN]: There's definitely people that know my books better than me. [UNKNOWN]: I'm not surprised like just like I'm sure, you know, there's people that know some of your movies better than you Yes, some of your shows better than you for sure. [UNKNOWN]: Oh for sure There's people that know my books that are like I hate you know on page whatever Yeah, you know someone so and I'm like, bro I can barely even remember that so somebody up to ask about like season seven episode 12 of super natural Yeah, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: I need to go back to the source material and freshen up No doubt [UNKNOWN]: So, you got supernatural running in the background all the time.

1:49:59 [UNKNOWN]: Yep, you got O.C. [UNKNOWN]: running in the background. [UNKNOWN]: You got one division sound in music, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yep, you made that right after Charlie's Angels. [UNKNOWN]: I did. [UNKNOWN]: And that gives you like a vehicle to make things happen pretty much. [UNKNOWN]: Is that the way that works? [UNKNOWN]: That's correct. [UNKNOWN]: And now the big thing I want to do, you and I have been talking about is this, it really just, the green light is the thing in our business. [UNKNOWN]: Who gets to say, yes to that movie, yes to that TV show, yes to that podcast, or podcasts, you can actually do it yourself in a great way, [UNKNOWN]: But I'm trying to, you know, now raise a fund so I can be more specific if you and I want to just go make a movie We did it and a lot to do with warrior kit because people know man. [UNKNOWN]: I tell the story Go how warrior kid happened guy name jockel willink. [UNKNOWN]: He's got a book Trepidation's about Hollywood not sure young go get her name Ben ever hard goes down and goes Hey, I want to make the book into a movie jockel's like I'm not so sure by the way [UNKNOWN]: Based on the fact that he walked into his kids room one morning, and his kids were doing push-ups, and he's like, what are you guys doing?

1:50:53 [UNKNOWN]: And I hold a little bit and say, we want to be worthy of your kids. [UNKNOWN]: How cool is that? [UNKNOWN]: It's freaking awesome. [UNKNOWN]: Unbelievable. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: So slowly, we earned enough trust with Jaco Willing. [UNKNOWN]: Did he go, all right, let's take a whack at this thing. [UNKNOWN]: We go to a guy named Will Staples, who's a great writer, and has military connections. [UNKNOWN]: So I think he inspired some confidence on me. [UNKNOWN]: As I said to him, his dad was a pilot in Vietnam. [UNKNOWN]: He was a pilot in Vietnam. [UNKNOWN]: He was a pilot in Vietnam. [UNKNOWN]: After we hire him, he goes, you have my dad as a helopon, and I'm, I go, dude, why don't you tell me that? [UNKNOWN]: Are you in higher than we are to shut the door, and everybody else is your hired. [UNKNOWN]: Let's go, he's a cute pilot and Vietnam, you're in. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and, you know, then we go, look, will. [UNKNOWN]: You normally get a million dollars. [UNKNOWN]: We'll, you know, give you $250,000.

1:51:33 [UNKNOWN]: The Jocco has the courage to write a check for $250,000, so take a shot. [UNKNOWN]: And then we say, hey, but if we make the movie, we'll give you $2 million. [UNKNOWN]: We do a good smart thing like that. [UNKNOWN]: Um, that happened. [UNKNOWN]: It's all of a sudden we got a draft. [UNKNOWN]: Your relationship with Pratt is thickening with origin, with Jaco Fiel, with the whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: Plus you're just like mine, it's the whole thing, which I'm going to let's, it's all sort of coalescing beautifully. [UNKNOWN]: I come down to San Diego. [UNKNOWN]: I'm coming from a pure place. [UNKNOWN]: I did my best. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, by the way, so by the time he so Pratt was on, he was in. [UNKNOWN]: He was in. [UNKNOWN]: And then it was like, okay, now we need a director. [UNKNOWN]: and of the, I don't know if I told you this, but I didn't want to give Pratt a script, because like we were becoming friends.

1:52:17 [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, hey, we've been friends for like, you know, six months, I got a script to pitch you. [UNKNOWN]: It's just like, that's not something I wanted to do, right? [UNKNOWN]: But my team had told his team, you know, while Jaco's working on this movie and like, oh, what's the movie? [UNKNOWN]: And well, he had some kid movie, blah, blah, blah, blah. [UNKNOWN]: They keep my team sent his team a script. [UNKNOWN]: And when his team read the script, they were like, oh shit, and they gave it to Pratt. [UNKNOWN]: And Pratt, you know, he's now bound by his bed to like flip through the first few pages, read the whole thing and call. [UNKNOWN]: Exactly. [UNKNOWN]: All Julien said we're making. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he tells that story all the time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly. [UNKNOWN]: And he didn't stop. [UNKNOWN]: He usually read a couple pages. [UNKNOWN]: Stop. [UNKNOWN]: You eat a sandwich. [UNKNOWN]: he read the whole thing but what happened with that was we were free it's not like oh you sold the rights to Netflix or Warner Bros and you were on the hook to develop with all their notes you've done this whole thing with the courage to be independent like you've done everything in your life look at you know jok you know look at the podcast look at everything you've built victory mma on and on [UNKNOWN]: All right, so we get to that place where we finally, you know, and then I tricked you and to let me come on board and direct it.

1:53:21 [UNKNOWN]: We got a big movie star, a list movie star. [UNKNOWN]: Now, okay, we got a director, we got a budget, we got a schedule. [UNKNOWN]: Well, you, you, you can, you and Ben drove down to victory MMA. [UNKNOWN]: Of course. [UNKNOWN]: you came into the podcast studio as a matter of fact of course and you sat down and you just like pitched to me why you should be making this movie which was kind of crazy me from a couple different perspectives first of all I was super naive and by the way when I when I paid for the for the screenplay in me in my mind it was like a guarantee like oh yeah well since we're making this movie [UNKNOWN]: naively, I didn't understand that 99.99% of screenplays never get turned to a movie. [UNKNOWN]: So I was writing a check that I thought was just like money in the bank, right?

1:54:05 [UNKNOWN]: And same thing when I'm meeting you, of course, you know, of course, make to this massive Hollywood producer director icon. [UNKNOWN]: Of course, he wants to make warrior kid. [UNKNOWN]: But you came down humble. [UNKNOWN]: and you'll explain to me that you were the kid. [UNKNOWN]: You're like, I'm just kid. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is me. [UNKNOWN]: This is what I went through because the kid in the book, the kid in the movie, he's scared of water, he's scared of these things. [UNKNOWN]: That was you, you pitched me the thing and I was like, this is a freaking solid fit right here, boys. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is solid. [UNKNOWN]: that's what happens and then we go well how do we want to make this movie because we could have maybe set it up at paramount or universal but then you got to get all the notes and you may never get made and you sit on the thing we go to the top guy in in the world of selling movies Glenn Basner to place called film nation he's going to go over to [UNKNOWN]: Cannot at the time it couldn't go on to Toronto could have gone to Berlin, but it was the time of the year where it was the can film festival Which kind of the granddaddy have them all we think we need $35 million to make the movie and just so everyone knows what you do is you sell the overseas All right, you take that 35 million dollars that you sold the overseas rights You put that in your in your pocket to make the movie You spend that money to make the movie and then once you've made the movie for 35 million dollars You sell it to you sell the American rights for whatever and that's all your money.

1:55:20 [UNKNOWN]: You take the [UNKNOWN]: risky, but Chris was willing to take the risk and who makes the most money, you know, he's a big a-less movie star with, you know, Jurassic. [UNKNOWN]: We're old and with, you know, guardians of the galaxy and he's got our field and he's Luigi, yeah, forget it's out of you. [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so one of the biggest guys out there, okay? [UNKNOWN]: He's gonna take the risk and make it for no money in exchange for the ops because he believes in the project. [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to take a risk and make it for no money because I believe in the ups. [UNKNOWN]: Our guy goes over to France, and we need 35 million dollars, he goes this going great, we're going to get the 35 million dollars, we're going to make our movie. [UNKNOWN]: And then we'll see if we get lucky and sell the domestic and actually make some money and make a difference in blah, blah, blah. [UNKNOWN]: Then I go out to lunch with my old friend, David Ellison. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean to, I remember I met him when he was first landed in town, everybody was like, oh, you know, watch out, this could be a nap-o kid.

1:56:05 [UNKNOWN]: I go, no, this kid is smart, he's going all the way, and now look at him, today I'm forgetting to say, he's going all the way, and he goes, hey, I want that movie. [UNKNOWN]: I go, David, the movie's getting to cost you a lot of money. [UNKNOWN]: I won't embarrass anybody and say how much money. [UNKNOWN]: But he's shaking, puts his hand across to him, he goes, okay. [UNKNOWN]: And then we make it via skydance and ultimately Apple, who I've been really good partners. [UNKNOWN]: I think the materials are looking good. [UNKNOWN]: I should ask you, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And it's a wonderful way for a movie to come together as opposed to if you and I go, let's make the Echo Charles movie. [UNKNOWN]: And I set it up at Netflix. [UNKNOWN]: This is my friends. [UNKNOWN]: God bless Netflix, the biggest company in the world. [UNKNOWN]: But then you're on the bench of development.

1:56:47 [UNKNOWN]: Let me go. [UNKNOWN]: We think Echo is so decidedly male. [UNKNOWN]: We wanna female to write the movie and we want that point of view now. [UNKNOWN]: And then you're on this development train and you have no authority, which is why you've played it so well with Beat Origin, Beat, you know, Jocco Fuel, Beat, you know, the Warrior Kid rollout. [UNKNOWN]: You've controlled your own universe and that you're, [UNKNOWN]: You know, people talk about these kids as creators. [UNKNOWN]: Here's Jaco Willink is the Trailblazer. [UNKNOWN]: Getting it done with like, have you ever sold any of your IP or anything that you've kept at all in house and you build a big brick by brick? [UNKNOWN]: And then the greatest thing is it results in a more [UNKNOWN]: True on his connection with your audience because they know you're not bullshitting around and trust is everything People trust you, Jaco People trust you.

1:57:30 [UNKNOWN]: They go, oh, if that's good enough for Jaco. [UNKNOWN]: It's good enough for me because I know he's all about Deed There's word and there is deed and your deed backs up your word every time and then just results in Therefore, I can believe in the boot coming coming out of origin. [UNKNOWN]: Wasn't the story you told me that you needed a ghee that was made in America? [UNKNOWN]: And you're like I couldn't find when there was a guy with a mill and [UNKNOWN]: main or so what is it well he was making is it P Robbers is up in Maine and he's the one that was like I I want to make geese in America, but he lives in Farmington, Maine, right? [UNKNOWN]: Population 42 or whatever and 38 of that account and and so but he's he did it, man. [UNKNOWN]: He freaking [UNKNOWN]: cut down trees and built a timber frame factory in his yard right and buys these old abandoned looms buys the last when it went into a 500,000 square foot abandoned factory where all the machines all the machines had been shipped overseas except for one and they're sitting there rusted and disrepair and him and his father-in-law and his buddies pulled that thing out brought it back to factory found a guy that knew how to work on it got that thing running and yes that's [UNKNOWN]: how it started.

1:58:40 [UNKNOWN]: Now look up a few years later, he's making geese, but he's not selling a lot of them because he's informing the main and he just, and so I had been telling people, hey, if you need a geese by a from origin, American made, American made, and finally I was actually on a Facebook live and I was somebody asked me, hey, if you worship what you do to geese should I get? [UNKNOWN]: And I said, you get an American made, get a one from origin, origin, [UNKNOWN]: And I said, by the way, if anyone can get in touch with that guy, Pete Robertson, I've been reaching out to him for a few months now. [UNKNOWN]: Tell him I want to talk to him. [UNKNOWN]: And there was a woman on that car, Sarah Armstrong, who she's a CFO at a big business, and she had all these connections, and she found Pete Robertson called him and said, hey, listen, this guy, Jocco, has a podcast.

1:59:23 [UNKNOWN]: He wants to talk to you and Pete's like, what's a podcast? [UNKNOWN]: Because he's informing the main, like, right, they don't even, yeah, they're like, internet is like, yeah, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: and uh, but we got on the phone together and we have like a four hour call and we I flew to main, we had steak and a handshake and we partnered up and we went from eight employees making about a hundred pieces of clothing a week to [UNKNOWN]: Approaching 500 employees making 20,000 pieces of clothing a week so it's a total game changer It's awesome and it's all American made and this is such a big deal You know you were mentioned before hit record today, you know, I did a little thing about making boots in America Yeah, and a lot of these boot companies [UNKNOWN]: what they do is they do the full assembly overseas and then they bring it back and they put in like the last, whatever, the last stage and now it's now it's made America, it's not true.

2:00:16 [UNKNOWN]: We make everything 100% America and everything that we make it from is made in America. [UNKNOWN]: We just launched the sneakers today and it's been so hard for the team to find the eyelets and Connecticut and the souls and Massachusetts vibram, God bless them. [UNKNOWN]: They brought their soul machine. [UNKNOWN]: I figured when they brought it from, but they brought it back to America for us. [UNKNOWN]: Wow, yep. [UNKNOWN]: So people are in the game, people realize, you know, COVID, one of the benefits of COVID, people realized how bad it was to have a supply chain based on foreign contracts. [UNKNOWN]: Indeed. [UNKNOWN]: And so now people realize, oh, we need to get that stuff back here. [UNKNOWN]: So for me, even when I wrote the word kid book, and there's a couple good stories, when I wrote the word kid book, I kept all the rights.

2:00:57 [UNKNOWN]: And then, you know, they offer you money. [UNKNOWN]: They gave off for you money for the rights. [UNKNOWN]: And when you're looking at it, you go, well, I guess, you want to read it, but I kept them all. [UNKNOWN]: And then, actually, this is another good one is when the first offer came in from Skydance. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, the, the game of the number and it says, things says, you know, for this, this much money for, for all intellectual property. [UNKNOWN]: And I said to my lawyer, I say, well, what does he mean by all in a lot of property? [UNKNOWN]: And he goes, oh, he means all. [UNKNOWN]: And I go, yeah, they can pound sand. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, we, we, we started to get after it. [UNKNOWN]: But that's, we were able to really do well. [UNKNOWN]: And again, you know, there's a crazy, I heard years ago, years ago, that George Lucas made all those money from Star Wars off of the action figures.

2:01:45 [UNKNOWN]: Wow, I'm not surprised to hear that. [UNKNOWN]: And when I was doing the contract for Warrior Kid book, I kept all those, because they try and buy all those. [UNKNOWN]: So they try to get it all out of it. [UNKNOWN]: They try to get it all from you. [UNKNOWN]: And luckily my agent, Jen Joel, props, she's, by the way, this is classified information, but my publisher, Mark Resnick, my editor at St. Martin's Press, you know, he goes to war with my agent. [UNKNOWN]: Jen Joel. [UNKNOWN]: And he calls her Viper. [UNKNOWN]: And he calls her Viper. [UNKNOWN]: And I just sent a book. [UNKNOWN]: I sent my latest book to him the other day. [UNKNOWN]: And he says, you know, hey, you might want to send this to the Viper as well.

2:02:31 [UNKNOWN]: I go, she's already got it. [UNKNOWN]: She's, she's, she's going to be calling you probably in about 15 minutes. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: But so thanks to her, you know, in those negotiations, I kept all those, I kept everything. [UNKNOWN]: And so, you know, that's always been my goal. [UNKNOWN]: It's to keep as much as I possibly could. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a great business model, and people are inspired by the way you did it. [UNKNOWN]: And what's really good about it, and this is where I was going with this is that, I didn't know this. [UNKNOWN]: Again, I was real naive, Hollywood stuff, but [UNKNOWN]: They make movies based on books where not one single character from the book makes it to the movie. [UNKNOWN]: Not a character. [UNKNOWN]: Correct. [UNKNOWN]: And here we are.

2:03:12 [UNKNOWN]: The characters are in the books. [UNKNOWN]: The feel of it is the same. [UNKNOWN]: There are lines from the book that are in the movie. [UNKNOWN]: It's phenomenal. [UNKNOWN]: It's phenomenal. [UNKNOWN]: So thankful to you and to Apple and Skydance because we really, I mean, we really had a lot. [UNKNOWN]: They gave us a lot of free reign. [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's because we never preemptively sold it. [UNKNOWN]: We got to the one inch line going, we're good and we're ready to make it on our own. [UNKNOWN]: We had all the members in the world because we didn't preemptively sell it to them. [UNKNOWN]: Which was all based on you when you threw down a road to check for 250 grand was a big number. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that you blaze your own trail, which is something that inspires you. [UNKNOWN]: You said we were doing like one of our first meetings when we knew we were doing it.

2:03:54 [UNKNOWN]: We all came up to Chris's place and we were sitting down and you were like, a chocolate one's this thing. [UNKNOWN]: That's the most gangster thing that's ever happened to the Hollywood. [UNKNOWN]: I actually captured that quote. [UNKNOWN]: I told Echo later, I go, hey, I just want to let you know. [UNKNOWN]: This is the most gangster thing ever. [UNKNOWN]: It's true, it's true. [UNKNOWN]: So first day on set, I roll up, and I have no idea, I have no idea what's happening. [UNKNOWN]: I have no idea that there's a hierarchy. [UNKNOWN]: The hierarchy in Hollywood is as strict, if not stricter than the hierarchy in the military.

2:04:34 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's all unioned out. [UNKNOWN]: Like you can't touch certain things. [UNKNOWN]: There's a complaint. [UNKNOWN]: But who's who in the zone? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a call sheet and the thing. [UNKNOWN]: And this person get this chair and stay out of that. [UNKNOWN]: So I roll up. [UNKNOWN]: And I roll up, I mean, I'm a nug man. [UNKNOWN]: In my mind, I'm always kind of a new guy. [UNKNOWN]: I'm always kind of a nug. [UNKNOWN]: I'm always kind of like, hey, man, I don't really deserve to be here. [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna do my best. [UNKNOWN]: I stay in humble. [UNKNOWN]: And I roll up and I'm like, there's a chair. [UNKNOWN]: You know? [UNKNOWN]: And the chair says, [UNKNOWN]: And there's another chair that says, Mick G. And there's a chair that says Chris Pratt, I was like, wait a second, those two guys got a chair, I get it. [UNKNOWN]: But why do I have a chair, it's kind of freaky?

2:05:15 [UNKNOWN]: There's kind of freaky, does see that. [UNKNOWN]: You're the Rosetta Stone, you got to go in. [UNKNOWN]: We'd have it no other way. [UNKNOWN]: And the very first things that we filmed were in A-A. [UNKNOWN]: what a circus would they call it a circus circus that would be a fair affair that's right fair which I got an interject it's the toughest scene in the movie and like you can't always control the manner which the movie is scheduled you got to do when you can get the location you got to do what you can get the fairs out and down you can get stuff [UNKNOWN]: You have to think, and the toughest scene in the movie between Chris and Jude is day one. [UNKNOWN]: There's no like let's vibe it out. [UNKNOWN]: Let's get used to knowing each other. [UNKNOWN]: This is like, you know, the kid breaks and he's got to embrace, you know, Uncle J because he misses his dad. [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, day one, zero ramp up.

2:05:58 [UNKNOWN]: Ready? [UNKNOWN]: Be amazing. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Dude, I remember that there was a lot of totally, and that, and that scene, I remember watching it, and I mean, you know, we got the, we got the little headphones on, so, so it's very interesting for people to know when they're making a movie, there's like a, you, you're watching the screens that show all the different cameras. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and then there's, really like what the camera's seeing. [UNKNOWN]: That's what, what is your spot called? [UNKNOWN]: So video villages where everyone else is where, where everyone is one. [UNKNOWN]: Video villages where what's meant to be everyone who's important reproducers, for example. [UNKNOWN]: But not the director's village. [UNKNOWN]: The director's village is the script supervisor and the director only less the director invites someone in.

2:06:39 [UNKNOWN]: So that's happening and we get these little headsets on where you can hear because everyone's miced up and so you can hear the dialogue very clearly and you can see you're looking at the thing and I'm with you and I don't know if I just willed myself in there in the beginning and you were just like I guess Jocco's gonna stand here over my right because I stood over your right shoulder. [UNKNOWN]: I stood there over your right shoulder for the entire film. [UNKNOWN]: The entire film. [UNKNOWN]: But I loved it that way and I would have it no other way because I wanted to be so authentic in with my chest cavity Just ripped open and if there was ever first one I wanted to be the beneficiary of your expertise and I always talk about I know what I want out of the movie so I therefore want to know what you want out of the movie so I can go [UNKNOWN]: And you know me, I'm not shy to articulate, yeah, I think it would be really emotional if he pretends like he doesn't care.

2:07:25 [UNKNOWN]: And then when this is invoked to remind some of his past and now he confesses, he cares very much. [UNKNOWN]: For example, and then if you go, hey man, that's not right. [UNKNOWN]: It should be precisely to the contrary. [UNKNOWN]: Then we can talk about it, you're such a fair person, and I'm not shy in my videos. [UNKNOWN]: I was clear. [UNKNOWN]: So I had no reason to hide from it, and a lot of people would look at me like I was nuts. [UNKNOWN]: And also, I mean, dude, [UNKNOWN]: You're the kind of guy who goes around the world and you're one of the premier motivational speakers in the world and you give Ted Talks and you do all these sexy things. [UNKNOWN]: So I think a lot of guys didn't be uptight about a guy like that with that level of expertise standing looking over in second guessing everything but I didn't care. [UNKNOWN]: Now look at that kid, I welcomed it, I want to be the beneficiary of Jaco's expertise and I wanted you to smell it if you were like, hey man, that's not what I was going for in the book.

2:08:12 [UNKNOWN]: But what I think this moment is here with what's going on with Mark is the following. [UNKNOWN]: And then you and I had such a good vibe, but we were just talking out and going, but let's land in the right spot. [UNKNOWN]: And we landed in the right spot. [UNKNOWN]: And it was now one single time that I walked away going, now he's got it wrong. [UNKNOWN]: Nope, I'd never walked away every time. [UNKNOWN]: And there was times where I walked away, yep, Mcgee was right. [UNKNOWN]: I was wrong. [UNKNOWN]: He sees something on the other side. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no, that definitely happened. [UNKNOWN]: I remember, one of the first times I said, I said something to you. [UNKNOWN]: Well, first of all, I want to say shooting that scene in the thing, I remember watching that thing and they do it 13 times, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And I got choked up 13 times in a row. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, this is going to be epic.

2:08:52 [UNKNOWN]: If we're on set day one and I'm a grown ass man and I already know the material I wrote the material and I am getting choked up watching this 13 times in a row, [UNKNOWN]: Well, that's the testament to, you know, Pratt brought it, you brought it, you brought it. [UNKNOWN]: And we created an environment where I think they felt safe to go for it, a particular early on, because everybody can get sort of on their back foot, a little trepidacious, a little like I'm not there yet, and everybody just leaned in and I love that scene gets me every time. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I'm by the way, you also, I was over your right shoulder. [UNKNOWN]: Over your left shoulder, half the time was McConaughey. [UNKNOWN]: Oh Jesus. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: McConaughey's kids in the movie Levi, it's his credit.

2:09:33 [UNKNOWN]: McConaughey didn't flex at all, and was living in like the tiniest little trailer that you give a kid like that, who hasn't done much yet, and McConaughey never said a word. [UNKNOWN]: He didn't want to like throw his elbows out to like create a better environment for Levi, who's a gem of a young man. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And I know McConaughey, you know, ten years because we are marshal and we went through a lot together and we're buddies But he just was way back in the cut did nothing, you know, to get in way, I think he was gentlemen to you It was a gentleman to all the, you know, the PAs and the lowly people that are running around all the time So he's in the morning, such a nice one And you know, he's good. [UNKNOWN]: The only guy to hold him is he's not a big fan of the odor it. [UNKNOWN]: So you got to get you get a lot of essence [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of essence, you know, and he's not shy about hugging, so you hug McConaughey, and you're gonna be wearing McConaughey if I love him.

2:10:19 [UNKNOWN]: But that's part of the charm, and he got to deal with the little whistle tooth and the whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he is 100% like, like, what you think he's gonna be like, and what you hope he's gonna be like, he's the best dude. [UNKNOWN]: He's just one of us, you know, he's cool. [UNKNOWN]: You're spending like, it's 10 hours, it's 12 hours, you know? [UNKNOWN]: He goes, you know, I just told my boy, you know, when you give that line, you've got to give it from your heart, you've got to give it from your soul, you've got to give it from your feet. [UNKNOWN]: I remember just thinking, yes, that line's got to come from your feet, right? [UNKNOWN]: Well, I mean, how courageous is he because he was just like the good looking shirtless guy.

2:11:01 [UNKNOWN]: You know, making movies like that because I want to be an actor. [UNKNOWN]: I want to be legit and he's through it all the way and when he did Dallas Byers club and won the Academy Award If everybody's mine and the rest of history now the guy might be governor of Texas Who knows what he's gonna do next? [UNKNOWN]: Rotate great book. [UNKNOWN]: It's just I knew the commonalities between Jacob Willink and Matthew McConaughey We're gonna be extraordinary [UNKNOWN]: And you guys have just begun your path. [UNKNOWN]: I said Lisa. [UNKNOWN]: And you were mentioned earlier that this is like a military operation. [UNKNOWN]: And you understand it. [UNKNOWN]: It's like you got timeline. [UNKNOWN]: You got logistics. [UNKNOWN]: You got planning and preparation. [UNKNOWN]: You got location story boards. [UNKNOWN]: Budget. [UNKNOWN]: You got budget constraints. [UNKNOWN]: You got to figure out contingencies. [UNKNOWN]: And then on top of all that stuff. [UNKNOWN]: You got the real human stuff. [UNKNOWN]: You got egos. [UNKNOWN]: You got personalities, you got all those things that are coming to play, which I've been dealing with my whole life.

2:11:44 [UNKNOWN]: You know, a lot of times people don't think about that, the dynamic and the military is like, yeah, you outrank me, but what is the ego dynamic? [UNKNOWN]: Because that's what really comes into play. [UNKNOWN]: This primal order of things and the way things are going to be. [UNKNOWN]: So, and you do have. [UNKNOWN]: Like danger. [UNKNOWN]: Like there's feet, there's explosions. [UNKNOWN]: There's things catching on fire. [UNKNOWN]: There's people falling out of stuff. [UNKNOWN]: There's people getting to hit with things. [UNKNOWN]: Like there's so all these dynamics are playing into it and really to watch your leadership was awesome for me because boy was I thankful that you are who you are because it would have taken me. [UNKNOWN]: It would have taken me a period of time to recognize, oh, this guy is a bad person, a bad leader.

2:12:29 [UNKNOWN]: He's abusive, he's bullying, he's got a big deal. [UNKNOWN]: It would have taken me a little bit of time to go and then when it went three weeks in and now I gotta start to try. [UNKNOWN]: But like, day one, I'm like telling you like, why are you doing that? [UNKNOWN]: And you be like, oh, I'm doing it because that's okay. [UNKNOWN]: Well, that makes sense. [UNKNOWN]: So, but to watch you interact with everybody, lead everybody, be gracious to everybody. [UNKNOWN]: Be gracious to everybody while you're still pushing them because it's hot. [UNKNOWN]: It's cold. [UNKNOWN]: It's wet. [UNKNOWN]: It's tired. [UNKNOWN]: Everyone's miserable. [UNKNOWN]: We need better food. [UNKNOWN]: We need worse food. [UNKNOWN]: Like everything's going on. [UNKNOWN]: And so you got to be accommodating, but at the same time we got a mission. [UNKNOWN]: We got to get the mission done. [UNKNOWN]: And that's an exact parallel of what it's like being in the military. [UNKNOWN]: And one thing that again, after a few weeks, you know, you and me and Prada sitting there and we're talking, [UNKNOWN]: And you guys are both like, hey, just so you know, it's not always like this.

2:13:20 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, what do you mean? [UNKNOWN]: And apparently, you know, I had this incredible experience with all these Austin people that I hang out with and we're, you know, you go home every day. [UNKNOWN]: How ever they're just driving home or sitting around, that was just such a freaking cool day. [UNKNOWN]: It's not always like that. [UNKNOWN]: Not always like that. [UNKNOWN]: It can be difficult, but I mean, again, I think that's just a function of the team we put together. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: Because, you know, practice number one on the call sheet and it sort of starts at the top and you're there backing it up as the genesis stone and the guy who wrote all the material and then, you know, I wanted to get it right and we had a good hard work in Crazy D.P. [UNKNOWN]: and Shane, you know, we just, we just had the right team and I think that that just sort of created a vibe and it really is a family community.

2:14:02 [UNKNOWN]: which is and you know it's so cool and you and I are such rock and roll wars man it's like I think about think about one of your favorite songs you know what I mean just you don't think it smells like teams spirit you know smells like teams spirit doesn't exist in the morning [UNKNOWN]: And then that night, it does. [UNKNOWN]: They cut smells like teen spirit in the rest of your life. [UNKNOWN]: That song, you know, today we're going to have and take your pick, doesn't matter. [UNKNOWN]: You know, let it be, you know? [UNKNOWN]: And the movie, every day you show up and what you're about to do, clearly by definition, has not been done yet. [UNKNOWN]: And if you create that feeling where Jocco's gonna, you know, schlep it down to San Diego and reflect on the day. [UNKNOWN]: And you're like, wow, that worked out really well. [UNKNOWN]: And now there's a piece of, [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if it's too bold to call it art, but let's call it art in the world that wasn't there in the morning and we got the team together We positioned the cameras just so and you wrote the material and the actors performed it in a compelling way and now it's in the world [UNKNOWN]: I think that's super cool.

2:14:55 [UNKNOWN]: To me, to me, that's the coolest part of the whole thing of the arts. [UNKNOWN]: It's like when you write a book, the book wasn't there. [UNKNOWN]: Now the books there were kids in the world now. [UNKNOWN]: And I just think that's a terribly exciting thing that really fills my bucket. [UNKNOWN]: Echo was, Echo was telling me the other day. [UNKNOWN]: He was just like, he was reading the book, he'd just get into his kid or something. [UNKNOWN]: And he was like, he's a considerate in this thing. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm thinking, Jack will just made this shit up. [UNKNOWN]: He just made this shit up. [UNKNOWN]: He's like, it's all these characters. [UNKNOWN]: He just made that shit up. [UNKNOWN]: Ben was reminding me we were filming in San Diego, and it was a scene between Jude and Levi in a bullying scene. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And like they weren't quite getting it. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And you're like, you get me in Maccana hay to like, yeah, get any of each other's faces, get the intensity up, show these guys what a supposed to look like.

2:15:41 [UNKNOWN]: And like it's so wild. [UNKNOWN]: Here I am, like, Jaco, a knuckle dragger, military dude. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, [UNKNOWN]: acting in the studio But it was wasn't it natural and felt great and by the way you set that example for the boys and they went because I wanted to get that authenticity in the greed was your adrenaline your blood is up [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean and I knew you would get it and I know McConaughey would get he's one of us Yeah, you know, I mean so like it was just by any means necessary get the point across an illuminate for the actor So they can be positioned to be there very best and then it was reflected in the following takes by the boys So good because they were a little bit like really if you want me to go that hard and then you and McConaughey got in there and blew it up everybody got jacked and then we did it Super cool so good one day we're filming [UNKNOWN]: Again, this was in San Diego, we're filming in this cycle, we're getting set up the film and this is probably pretty deep in the filming So now I've been looking over your shoulder for a while, right?

2:16:39 [UNKNOWN]: And we're about to shoot and all of a sudden your phone rings your iPhone rings you pick it up You look at it, and it says David Allison and you go You go hey, I got to get this and you just announced it. [UNKNOWN]: We're in an ice cream shop and you announce hey I got to take a call Jocco's got it [UNKNOWN]: Yep, so with no hesitation, you know you're talking about when you went on to start Charlie's angels you just walked and I got this I literally like oh I got this I cool I took one step forward sat my ass in your chair in front of the video put the things on and I looked at Cliff and I'm like Cliff on you when you're ready Which is what you did. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I said Cliff on you and he looked at me and said we're ready Sir, but on you he says what and you sit there. [UNKNOWN]: So I sat there and I directed the scene.

2:17:20 [UNKNOWN]: I remember well and [UNKNOWN]: I start, I remember, I said, Cliff, can I talk to my actor? [UNKNOWN]: I'm just using that. [UNKNOWN]: I went right into it. [UNKNOWN]: I went right into it. [UNKNOWN]: I said, Cliff, can I talk to my actor? [UNKNOWN]: You go, you go, you go, you go. [UNKNOWN]: Sound doesn't matter because sometimes you can talk to him, but sometimes you can't. [UNKNOWN]: Depending on what's going on the other. [UNKNOWN]: I go, Cliff, can I talk to my actor? [UNKNOWN]: You can talk to him. [UNKNOWN]: So, dude, comes out. [UNKNOWN]: I said, all right, dude, look down here. [UNKNOWN]: You just saw your reflection. [UNKNOWN]: kind of like it, you're looking for it, so I start talking through it. [UNKNOWN]: And we did like three or four takes, and you come rolling back in, and you stood over my shoulder. [UNKNOWN]: Damn right I did. [UNKNOWN]: And it was freaking awesome, and I got done with all that, and the behind the scenes, the BTS guy from Apple, he comes up to me and I go afterwards, and he goes, hey bro, I got that whole thing.

2:18:08 [UNKNOWN]: That's great. [UNKNOWN]: Super, super cool, but I think that's a reflection in a microcosm of just the way we approach the work You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: There's a tremendous amount of trust and I first of all I knew you had the acumen and the skill set and the ability to do it and you know I just had an extraordinary circumstance right we go talk to the big bopper and you know, I knew like it was like well I guess maybe I You remember I got it [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And everybody just felt my degree of commitment and confidence is just going to go great. [UNKNOWN]: And it went particularly great. [UNKNOWN]: It was really, I love moments like that. [UNKNOWN]: And it was well earned and it went great. [UNKNOWN]: And that's it, man. [UNKNOWN]: By the way, you, when the time is right, you got to throw down in that space.

2:18:51 [UNKNOWN]: as part of the expansion of what you do and will continue to do in your life. [UNKNOWN]: You're just a natural in that space. [UNKNOWN]: You're very, very natural in front of the camera, but your natural gifts as a star, you can never hold an audience to the degree that you hold an audience with this format. [UNKNOWN]: If you want a fundamentally great storyteller. [UNKNOWN]: and we all trip out and we can get excited when your feeds come over the social media airways, each one more compelling than the last. [UNKNOWN]: That's not easily done. [UNKNOWN]: I'm not winding you up. [UNKNOWN]: You've earned it and your numbers reflect it, but it's just super cool. [UNKNOWN]: And not everybody has that in Hollywood, they call it lit from within. [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, you know what I mean and not many people have it when you have it just lit from with lit from within I mean your radians come so here and it radiates out in the camera and the microphone's grab it You're lit from within it's a cool thing to have you know what I mean and you could try to have it But it's hard to fabricate.

2:19:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've been talking and I've actually just wrote I wrote I just got done writing a book which I just mentioned earlier, but I won't come out for another year but one of the things I talk about [UNKNOWN]: is there's a general, a military, a guy named T. Lawrence, Lawrence of Arabia, you heard that, right? [UNKNOWN]: Of course. [UNKNOWN]: So this guy wrote about military leadership and stuff and he says that nine tenths of what you learn is a military leader. [UNKNOWN]: You can learn in the classroom. [UNKNOWN]: You can learn in the Academy. [UNKNOWN]: You can learn in the battle field training exercises, but there's one tenth that you can't teach someone. [UNKNOWN]: They got to have it, right? [UNKNOWN]: And in my opinion, after really thinking about it, it's this ability to connect with people at an animal level, at an emotional animal level.

2:20:33 [UNKNOWN]: And as a military leader, look, you can give the brief with all the facts of the case in it, right? [UNKNOWN]: You can give that. [UNKNOWN]: But if you don't have that emotional animalistic connection, you're not going to be the real tribal leader. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, how many actors have gone to the right school, learn how to say the lines, don't all the background, don't the stuff, but when they get in front of the campus, I'm hearing, I'm hearing this term for the first time, which is probably gonna make it in my book because I only just turned in the draft, but lit from within, that's what it is. [UNKNOWN]: Like this person has it, right? [UNKNOWN]: And by the way, it exists in sports as well, because the person is, what, has what do they call it? [UNKNOWN]: Intangibles. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: They say, hey, we're taking this guy in the draft because he has intended, can't even explain it.

2:21:17 [UNKNOWN]: But they know that when we're down by two points and we got this much yard of the cover, like they know that this is the guy that wants a ball and they're going to give it to him. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: So there is this dynamic. [UNKNOWN]: And I think that all those are cases of being able to tap into the animalistic instinct that we have. [UNKNOWN]: If you're an athlete, you've got to like get into that emotional vibe which is not overboard. [UNKNOWN]: By the way, if it goes, if it's too much, if a person is lit, a person is lit [UNKNOWN]: Kurt Cobain. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right? [UNKNOWN]: That's, they literally just, they consume themselves. [UNKNOWN]: If a leader is too much emotion, they're an emotional leader, they're no good. [UNKNOWN]: You can't have them around like they literally do crazy things, right? [UNKNOWN]: So there's gotta be, it's gotta be the right amount that gets put in there.

2:21:59 [UNKNOWN]: If it's too much, it's too much, but to have none of it is not going to get there. [UNKNOWN]: So I think, and that's what's same thing with musicians, right? [UNKNOWN]: and I put up a sign that says, hey, I need a guitarist needs to be able to play Zapplin' Sabbath, rush, and tool. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like complex as you can get, I'm gonna have a dozen people call me. [UNKNOWN]: That can actually play all those songs. [UNKNOWN]: And they work as, you know, carpenters and boomers and waiters because they haven't made it yet.

2:22:41 [UNKNOWN]: lit from within that allows him to spark and make the make some emotional connection with the world. [UNKNOWN]: Because let's face it. [UNKNOWN]: Was Kurt Cobain a master guitarist? [UNKNOWN]: No, absolutely not. [UNKNOWN]: Did he connect emotionally with so many people? [UNKNOWN]: Of course he is. [UNKNOWN]: And so that's what it is. [UNKNOWN]: And that's why I also say, you know, we know [UNKNOWN]: what elements are in a living cell? [UNKNOWN]: Like we know it's an enemy, but we know all the little components and there we know the little atoms that are in there. [UNKNOWN]: But we can't make one come to life. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: We can't make one come to life. [UNKNOWN]: And that's when you mentioned AI earlier, I think that might be the gap.

2:23:22 [UNKNOWN]: I hope so. [UNKNOWN]: Because AI can, [UNKNOWN]: look at all their things and take those ideas and mix them together, but can they really give it that spark that it needs to really create something new? [UNKNOWN]: I certainly hope that's our salvation. [UNKNOWN]: I think we're about to find out. [UNKNOWN]: Lighting. [UNKNOWN]: Could AI, in whatever, what year did corn start 1992? [UNKNOWN]: 92 and 93. [UNKNOWN]: So, could AI, if no further information in 1990, create corn. [UNKNOWN]: I think not. [UNKNOWN]: I think not. [UNKNOWN]: I think not. [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that they could have had. [UNKNOWN]: What it took that thing for Jonathan Davis to be like howling and screaming and But yeah bagpipes and playing bagpipes like this not happening.

2:24:10 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, I was not going to come up with it There's no pre-existing Confessions was new that deliver you can't just scrape that which has come before and come up with that There needs to be the spark. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's something that's going to be messing before I lose you. [UNKNOWN]: I need you to explain one thing. [UNKNOWN]: Yes [UNKNOWN]: How does it work with enlisted and officers? [UNKNOWN]: If you're enlisted and you've been in and you've paid your dues and people come to respect you a great deal. [UNKNOWN]: And then some guy gets out of, you know, the academy or what it might be and comes in and has a senior rank to you. [UNKNOWN]: But he's [UNKNOWN]: nowhere near the experience level, nowhere near the spark you speak of, the human communication, can that not create discord in the ranks?

2:24:57 [UNKNOWN]: It absolutely can. [UNKNOWN]: It usually doesn't. [UNKNOWN]: How is that possible? [UNKNOWN]: Because I just feel like if you're, you've paid the dues and you're about it and you understand the culture and you've been in and you understand the rhythms of beat the barracks beat the battlefield, be it the plane, be it the sub. [UNKNOWN]: just how then this new Jack comes in that went to school. [UNKNOWN]: So he enters at a higher level, but he's done nothing, she has done nothing to deserve it. [UNKNOWN]: I'm puzzled by that dynamic. [UNKNOWN]: And they portray this in the movies all the time, right? [UNKNOWN]: This is a trope. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, asking. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: If the officer is humble, he's not going to have a problem. [UNKNOWN]: He's gonna look at his platoon chief or his platoon sergeant and say, hey, hey chief, here's the mission we got, how do you think we should do it?

2:25:45 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And if the platoon chief doesn't have an ego, he'll say, hey boss, thanks for asking. [UNKNOWN]: Let me talk to the boys, we'll put a plan together and present it to you. [UNKNOWN]: Perfect. [UNKNOWN]: And you're in such a good spot. [UNKNOWN]: That's most of the time what happens. [UNKNOWN]: Now, you take a big ego on either one of those two characters, [UNKNOWN]: And that guy says, hey, I'm in charge. [UNKNOWN]: We're doing this mission tonight. [UNKNOWN]: Here's how we're going to do it. [UNKNOWN]: That's the officer. [UNKNOWN]: The chief artist says, wait a second. [UNKNOWN]: Why isn't this guy even asked me? [UNKNOWN]: He doesn't know what to do. [UNKNOWN]: Or if the chief's like, well, you're damn right. [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to come up with a plan. [UNKNOWN]: I should be in charge anyways. [UNKNOWN]: You're going to have problems. [UNKNOWN]: But if people are humble, they keep their ego in check. [UNKNOWN]: It's usually not an issue. [UNKNOWN]: And by the way, this is not the only [UNKNOWN]: world that this happens in, right? [UNKNOWN]: If you go to a construction site, that project manager that's overall in charge of that project, graduated from college four years ago, this is his third project.

2:26:33 [UNKNOWN]: And meanwhile, there's a guy pouring concrete that's been pouring concrete or the form of the jobs been doing this shit for 28 years. [UNKNOWN]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: And they have to have that same relationship. [UNKNOWN]: That's exactly the same scenario. [UNKNOWN]: And it works, right? [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you're you're directing your for who'd you say was your camera guy on your first movie? [UNKNOWN]: Russell Carpenter who read the Academy Award. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, so you roll in freaking new guy Yeah, 29 years old and you're gonna tell this guy who just got an Academy Award Yeah, you know, like no, did you treat him with respect? [UNKNOWN]: I did. [UNKNOWN]: Did you listen to what he had to say? [UNKNOWN]: Of course. [UNKNOWN]: Did he listen? [UNKNOWN]: What you have to say? [UNKNOWN]: There you go. [UNKNOWN]: So it's not a problem. [UNKNOWN]: That's so well put. [UNKNOWN]: There's chocolate willy, everybody. [UNKNOWN]: He makes everything make sense. [UNKNOWN]: We need more of this in the world.

2:27:14 [UNKNOWN]: We, I do have to bring this up because it was so freaking awesome. [UNKNOWN]: So we have a scene in the movie where there's music and It's it's it's it's then playing a video game on guitar, right? [UNKNOWN]: Is this too much of a spoiler? [UNKNOWN]: You tell me. [UNKNOWN]: No, it's fine. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, McGee puts out the word. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, what song? [UNKNOWN]: You know, what song are we going with? [UNKNOWN]: What song do you want to use and we we sat down and You and I had I think one commonality on the list maybe two, but one of them was black Sabbath pervert, right? [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, I said, hey, man, I don't know how much well you know me like Black Sabbath is my favorite band of all time, they're literally like my band, right, it's Black Sabbath and then everyone else.

2:27:56 [UNKNOWN]: and paranoid would be freaking sick. [UNKNOWN]: And you're like, oh, I love what that done. [UNKNOWN]: Like you were like no more questions like, you was already on your list. [UNKNOWN]: It's on my list. [UNKNOWN]: It's black to have it to me. [UNKNOWN]: That's what we're doing. [UNKNOWN]: Cool. [UNKNOWN]: So you put out the word. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how the things work. [UNKNOWN]: And you put out the word to your team. [UNKNOWN]: All right, go secure the rights to use paranoid in a movie. [UNKNOWN]: And so, yep, cool. [UNKNOWN]: They come back like, hey, it's too expensive. [UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, it's just too expensive. [UNKNOWN]: We can't afford it with the budget. [UNKNOWN]: We're already this close on budget. [UNKNOWN]: We can't afford the thing. [UNKNOWN]: And so I and friends with Jack Osborne. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: I remember this moment. [UNKNOWN]: Yes. [UNKNOWN]: This was one of the coolest things ever. [UNKNOWN]: And I text Jack Osborne and I say, Hey, bro, here's what we're at.

2:28:39 [UNKNOWN]: We're on set right now. [UNKNOWN]: Like this song is going to have a the most prominent song in the movie will be this song. [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be paranoid. [UNKNOWN]: I said, I want to introduce the next generation of kids to black Sabbath, greatest band of all time. [UNKNOWN]: It's too much money and he was like, hold on. [UNKNOWN]: And you know, he talks to his mom, Sharon, who's like, you know, she's the boss, she's the boss. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he gets back. [UNKNOWN]: He's like, we're handling it and we handled it. [UNKNOWN]: Now, so as that's happening, we got to film the scene. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, people are telling you like the leadership, the happy people, or they're saying, hey, you know, you need to film these other songs, and you're like, no, we're doing paranoid, we're doing paranoid, we're doing paranoid, that's what we're doing.

2:29:29 [UNKNOWN]: And with no deal secured, only the word of Jack Osborne and Sharon Osborne. [UNKNOWN]: that will, will figure it out, you just committed. [UNKNOWN]: And you kind of screwed them because like there was no choice. [UNKNOWN]: Plus we filmed that shit. [UNKNOWN]: It's like that's what was happening. [UNKNOWN]: So that was kind of an epic day. [UNKNOWN]: Thanks to Jack and Sharon Osborne and Aussie, of course, got rest of the soul. [UNKNOWN]: Indeed, I mean, just, you gotta do it. [UNKNOWN]: For for I owe me you got to do it for geezer. [UNKNOWN]: You got to do it for I you got to do it for the whole team and would you? [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know you knew Jack and then you called Jack to see if he could give us a deal We still paid a reasonable amount of money, but it was a massive discount that made it real and that's all I needed to go bananas and let myself on fire go we're doing it [UNKNOWN]: And I hear that riff and I want to just run through a fucking wall.

2:30:18 [UNKNOWN]: You and I would listen that on 12 and my trailer and go crazy And then the only thing that took me even higher with with with with admiration and respect for your musical taste and pedigree You go, you know, there's this other song I like [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, okay, what? [UNKNOWN]: You're like, there's a spank, chias, and they got this song green machine. [UNKNOWN]: And I went, ah, and they're like, we play it. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, you know, because it's a riff at the top. [UNKNOWN]: And then it's, and I started playing the drums and losing my marbles like that. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, man, I'm with the right guy. [UNKNOWN]: I am with the right guy to make this movie. [UNKNOWN]: And then we went out. [UNKNOWN]: And then, you know, and then Prattly, and remember, I told Jude to go crazy and smash the globe.

2:31:00 [UNKNOWN]: And they're like, no, it's not gonna have continuity. [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, smash the globe, man, let's go. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: It's just that whole scene kicked out. [UNKNOWN]: And then of course, it liberates Jake as you need it to have fun to get out of his own mind to illuminate what's going on in the hand. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: And I think it's such a nice little moment that he finally exhaled and was willing to have fun with the kid rocking out doing his thing and getting out of his own mind. [UNKNOWN]: And then strangely, that's when, wow, I can open the bottle cap, which has been so difficult for me. [UNKNOWN]: and the testing of the movie. [UNKNOWN]: So it's talked us a little bit. [UNKNOWN]: Look at what we did. [UNKNOWN]: It was a totally joke. [UNKNOWN]: That's another one where you're going to, you know, a cold shower is coming your way on your second and third movies because we tested in the first time we tested it went incredibly well, okay?

2:31:47 [UNKNOWN]: And we learned a couple things. [UNKNOWN]: We slapped the movie around. [UNKNOWN]: We tickled the movie a little bit. [UNKNOWN]: Then we test the second time. [UNKNOWN]: And you'll remember the big boppers there from Skydance. [UNKNOWN]: Don Granger and Dana Goldberg who are, you know, now Dana runs the new combined company. [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you've read that, you know, she's the biggest, biggest of bosses. [UNKNOWN]: And I remember coming out, we tested so well, you can't test any higher basically. [UNKNOWN]: We tested so well, and I come out, I still haven't come out, and Don Granger, you know, this is it, it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's it's [UNKNOWN]: And you took this to the barn, like butt shots for like the casting crew and everybody goes, you get to a certain number, pencils down, stop thinking you can't go any, it's over. [UNKNOWN]: Lock the picture.

2:32:27 [UNKNOWN]: We jumped on a call to get like the debrief. [UNKNOWN]: And he gets on, he goes, Jocco, and I'm like, yeah, and he goes, you'll never see this again. [UNKNOWN]: You'll never see these numbers again. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He goes, I've been doing this for 30, 40 years. [UNKNOWN]: He goes, you'll never see these numbers again. [UNKNOWN]: It's not gonna get it, but this is as good as it gets, congratulations. [UNKNOWN]: This is a winner. [UNKNOWN]: And so, I was, [UNKNOWN]: We got to talk about that. [UNKNOWN]: We got to talk, I mean, I know we got to go, but just like I'm sorry to still all your time. [UNKNOWN]: But just the degree to which I feel in my heart, the world can use a movie like this right now, I'm a news guy, I like to watch the news, I like to be informed, and the news is so difficult with such great regularity, and this movie is such an honest reflection [UNKNOWN]: and it fills your spirit at the end.

2:33:26 [UNKNOWN]: You might just shed it here. [UNKNOWN]: There's a few giggles along the way. [UNKNOWN]: It's a great story and I'm just so happy to give this world. [UNKNOWN]: I just can't thank you enough for creating this material to give to this world, but most particularly at this moment in time. [UNKNOWN]: and I just think that I can't think of a movie that makes you feel this way. [UNKNOWN]: Like, oh yeah, there was this one a month ago and there was this one last summer and we did this, this, this, this, this, this, this and I'm just so thankful that we're putting this forward into the world because it doesn't, it doesn't have as I like to state that finger-wagon like, well, you better do it this way or you're going to burn and hell. [UNKNOWN]: You know, there's no [UNKNOWN]: Tell me how you got to that level of clarity and how do you feel about your movie one one thing is when I was The warrior kid series these are the books that when someone asked me those how are those books?

2:34:24 [UNKNOWN]: I'll be like those books are awesome. [UNKNOWN]: I won't say that about the books. [UNKNOWN]: You know extreme ownership Oh, that's an awesome. [UNKNOWN]: I don't say that and the reason I don't say it about those things because I'm not like an arrogant person But when people ask me about warrior kid, I always feel like I got all those books awesome because I [UNKNOWN]: When I was writing it, I felt like I was a 10 year old. [UNKNOWN]: Like it's not me that wrote it. [UNKNOWN]: It was like, it was like the kid that wrote it. [UNKNOWN]: But you also wrote them as a reaction to Diary of a Wimpy Kid. [UNKNOWN]: With the greatest effects Diary of a Wimpy Kid was a great series and a lot of great things. [UNKNOWN]: You went, hey, what about a book from this perspective? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there was actually a book that I went to go, I was bookshopping for my son. [UNKNOWN]: And I was looking for like a book and I finally emptied this sucks, this sucks. [UNKNOWN]: I'm in a bookstore, a literal bookstore. [UNKNOWN]: This sucks, this sucks.

2:35:05 [UNKNOWN]: Finally I pull it on like a pirate book and I go, okay, cool, pirate book. [UNKNOWN]: I start flipping through the pirate book. [UNKNOWN]: The, the wimpiest, weakest, most pathetic pirates I'd ever seen. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, I'm not going to give my kid this book where the pirates are soft. [UNKNOWN]: No world should the pirates be soft. [UNKNOWN]: And so that's when I said, I'm going to just write my own book. [UNKNOWN]: But writing that book you know what I immediately like oh here's the story here's the story It was just it was in my head immediately and then I felt like a 10-year-old kid when I was writing it And the only times I didn't feel like a 10-year-old kid I would like be looking over my shoulder going [UNKNOWN]: I can't believe I'm writing this right now. [UNKNOWN]: Like this is such an obvious book to write, you know? [UNKNOWN]: Like I hope no one's just gonna see this and just steal it from me because like you said, it was just resounding truth.

2:35:51 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: That was, you know, when I was studying English, a lot of these, [UNKNOWN]: like poets and whatnot, they would create these sort of myths about themselves that, you know, this was just one, I just wrote this, it just flowed out of me, like, you know, and then they find drafts later and realize that these people had to write rewrite. [UNKNOWN]: But that's, it is kind of how I felt when I was writing this, it was just kind of like so there. [UNKNOWN]: And I knew that it would be such a good message for people. [UNKNOWN]: And the amount of [UNKNOWN]: Letters, messages, videos, and in-person events that I've had with kids and parents that have come up to me with the kid shaking my hand, looking me in the eye, thanking me for writing the book, and then [UNKNOWN]: You know, eyes up to the mom who's crying because the kids not getting bullied anymore.

2:36:46 [UNKNOWN]: The kids now, you know, gotten an A and math class. [UNKNOWN]: The dad's looking at me saying, thank you. [UNKNOWN]: He's engaged in, you know, what, in his soccer team now, like the life changes that it has brought to the house. [UNKNOWN]: Thousands and thousands of kids so powerful. [UNKNOWN]: And the fact that we now have a medium, [UNKNOWN]: where it's a much easier medium, right? [UNKNOWN]: It's a movie. [UNKNOWN]: It's easy as it gets. [UNKNOWN]: There's no lift at all. [UNKNOWN]: There's no lift at all for a kid or a parent to watch the movie. [UNKNOWN]: By the way, the parents are going to learn a lot too. [UNKNOWN]: I get that all the time from parents. [UNKNOWN]: That's it. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, man. [UNKNOWN]: Thanks for letting that kids book. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, for me. [UNKNOWN]: For me. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it is. [UNKNOWN]: One of the first things I did. [UNKNOWN]: I read a letter that I got on one of the podcasts, so I'll have to find it and put it up.

2:37:26 [UNKNOWN]: But I read a letter from this guy, you know, 37 years old, my life was a disaster, I was drinking, I was out of shape, I was, you know, miserable at work, I read your book, I started waking up, I cleaned up my diet, I stopped drinking, I started putting in work while I was at work, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been, it's been [UNKNOWN]: whatever. [UNKNOWN]: Nine months now, I've lost 17 pounds. [UNKNOWN]: I've just got promoted. [UNKNOWN]: I'm healthy. [UNKNOWN]: I met a girl. [UNKNOWN]: We're dating. [UNKNOWN]: I want to thank you for writing this book and he wrote it. [UNKNOWN]: And by the way, the book was way of the war. [UNKNOWN]: You're kidding me. [UNKNOWN]: It's like a, like a grown man. [UNKNOWN]: So, uh, fantastic. [UNKNOWN]: Very lucky. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm so thankful [UNKNOWN]: that message, you know, got distilled into the movie in its purest form and elevated by the way.

2:38:09 [UNKNOWN]: It's elevated and, you know, Will Staples and Ben, you know, who luckily Ben, you know, Ben's like, hey, we need someone to write the screenplay. [UNKNOWN]: And I said, cool. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: Of course. [UNKNOWN]: I'm here. [UNKNOWN]: You know, this is me. [UNKNOWN]: I wrote the book. [UNKNOWN]: I write the screenplay. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he was like, we need someone that knows how to write a screenplay. [UNKNOWN]: You don't know how to write a screenplay. [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, well, you know, thinking myself, I'll figure it out, but I also am not an idiot to think. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, here's a guy that's telling me you're not ready to do this because you don't know what you're doing. [UNKNOWN]: Of course, I don't know what I'm doing. [UNKNOWN]: Cool. [UNKNOWN]: We find Will and, you know, we elevated the book to strengthen, you know, Uncle Jake's character is now this real character.

2:38:51 [UNKNOWN]: In the book he's a superhero, right? [UNKNOWN]: Right, right. [UNKNOWN]: Right, right. [UNKNOWN]: In the movie, he's a man. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: a little bit older, so we have like more, a little bit more for, for, for, for Mark Jude's character to chew on and he involved with and so just the whole elevation of the thing and you know how to surprise with too that was a pleasant surprise that if you back to, you brought up testing the degree to which women respond to this film. [UNKNOWN]: I did, for you, I guess you weren't shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was shocked, I was [UNKNOWN]: when she says Uncle Jake's coming to visit and he kind of looks down and the camera goes back to her and you see that look that only a mother you have I don't want to give it away but I can see how can you be saying that it's your Uncle Jake what do you mean your weird like the the anguish that micro anguish that she shows like she just absolutely freaking that she knows absolutely nothing and that dinner scene is all time oh my god yeah [UNKNOWN]: So all time, um, so the movie's going to come out November 25.

2:40:12 [UNKNOWN]: What are you, what are you, what are you hoping for? [UNKNOWN]: I'm hoping for big-time residents around the world. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I want to have fun celebrating the movie with you and the team. [UNKNOWN]: You know, I look forward to seeing Prad. [UNKNOWN]: I'm being a freak when I see dudes. [UNKNOWN]: I know he's growing the whole nine yards. [UNKNOWN]: You know, Linda and sharing it with the world rolling it out because, [UNKNOWN]: I'm just so proud of this film, and I'm so thankful to be a part of it, and I just think, as I said, it's a film for the world at this given moment. [UNKNOWN]: There's a great deal of adjudice, there's a great deal of concern. [UNKNOWN]: We're concerned with a world that experiences a great deal of conflict. [UNKNOWN]: A lot of people regard AI as the greatest threat in our lifetimes. [UNKNOWN]: We'll see what becomes of that, and this is a decidedly human, decidedly analog, decidedly heart-laden experience that you don't get a lot of, and it's entertaining, and it's fun, and I think, again, without being preachy, I think it has an extraordinary message of just deploy these techniques and watch a world get better.

2:41:10 [UNKNOWN]: I think that's what we're doing. [UNKNOWN]: Is that good as up to speed? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, dude. [UNKNOWN]: You don't want to hear any more of my bullshit. [UNKNOWN]: Where can people find you? [UNKNOWN]: In a web, WonderlandSoundInvision.com. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: And find out whatever you have. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but I keep a low profile. [UNKNOWN]: But I'm on the gram every now and then. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Mick G-Film. [UNKNOWN]: You know. [UNKNOWN]: And by the way, for those of you that have been wondering for the past, [UNKNOWN]: two and a half hours where McGeek comes from, your middle name is McGinti. [UNKNOWN]: McGinti, your mom. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I got to tell the story. [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just, my name is Joseph McGinti Neckle. [UNKNOWN]: I'm born in Kalamazoo, Michigan. [UNKNOWN]: We don't have a lot of dose, so there's an uncle Joe in the house. [UNKNOWN]: And a grandpa Joe. [UNKNOWN]: And my mother's mother takes one look at me in the crib and goes, call him McGGee.

2:41:54 [UNKNOWN]: Short from McGinti, which is my mother's maiden name. [UNKNOWN]: and my middle name. [UNKNOWN]: So I've been apologizing and taking crap for it ever since. [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, people either think unlike a hip hop, shamrock shake, it McDonald's, or they think it's some rap thing. [UNKNOWN]: In fact, I got hired a couple times to make hip hop videos where they thought I was a black dude. [UNKNOWN]: And the guy could look at those who's a big G, everybody's my hand, he goes, you're not black. [UNKNOWN]: I go should I split you know, let's just do it and it's just like the squarist middle America Kalamazoo Michigan parents gave me Mcgee and I can show you pictures of me in second grade. [UNKNOWN]: It says Mcgee Like there's it's I wouldn't know who you were speaking to him. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, Joel. [UNKNOWN]: Let's go get a sandwich I've only ever and you know who calls me something other than Mcgee [UNKNOWN]: And he calls me McGintay and he's shorten it to Gintay Who you can guess who would say it like?

2:42:44 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what's gonna say in the corner he says Gintay Gintay You know, it's not anybody gonna do this with Conhail it you just let us lie But I have never there's not one person in the world who calls me Joseph, but still even all these years later Me, she's such a ridiculous name that seems something's like hip-hop self-prescribed thing like I'm hard and I'm like [UNKNOWN]: rapper, but it's not. [UNKNOWN]: It's from like, it's too late to change now, so it's got to lean in. [UNKNOWN]: Well, I have the similar jacco, right? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're jacco come from. [UNKNOWN]: Um, very, I only learned this latest part of the story like two years ago. [UNKNOWN]: I was always told that so my dad's nickname is John O. Yeah, because he's named after his uncle.

2:43:28 [UNKNOWN]: John Ogleforpe, who is a B-17 bomb a deer, shot down in World War II. [UNKNOWN]: Wow. [UNKNOWN]: Five people, five of the crew were killed, five of them were captured. [UNKNOWN]: He was one of the five captured. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's who my dad's named after. [UNKNOWN]: So, but his nickname is whole life with John Ogleforpe. [UNKNOWN]: So, John Ogleforpe, and then... [UNKNOWN]: what I was told early that I believe my whole life was that my dad was a real like sports fanatic and he put sports illustrated covers all over my room when he found out I was gonna be a boy and he said yep he's gonna be a jock he's gonna be a jock right so that's my mom said jock oh jock oh okay and that's where the nickname is a little bit of jock in jano and came together and came together that's where we're at but then I later found out that [UNKNOWN]: My dad, my dad was a pilot, not a military pilot, a civilian pilot, and he used to fly out of this small airport up in New York State.

2:44:21 [UNKNOWN]: And there was a guy there named Jock. [UNKNOWN]: I think his last name was Whitling. [UNKNOWN]: And this guy, Jock Whitling. [UNKNOWN]: was part of the OSS in World War II, who became both the green braise and the CIA. [UNKNOWN]: Like this guy was like ground zero for special operations. [UNKNOWN]: And he came back and he married someone from like the Heinz. [UNKNOWN]: One of the, one of the debutants. [UNKNOWN]: They came back to him. [UNKNOWN]: And he just, he was, so he was this super rich, super dynamic guy that had his own airplane at the airport and would fly and fly out. [UNKNOWN]: And my dad just looked at this guy. [UNKNOWN]: Like he was just this really, really cool guy. [UNKNOWN]: And the guy's name was Jacques. [UNKNOWN]: And so that's where my dad actually got the name and my dad only told me this like two or three years ago And I looked up like you can find the guy in Wikipedia He's in there.

2:45:06 [UNKNOWN]: He's like jock whatever his last name is witling and he was this guy and that's what that's so I'm actually named after this former or this OSS precursor C. I'm a precursor Green Bregui That's where my my dad got that name from but I never was called anything else in my life Me neither, that's just junk. [UNKNOWN]: I gave one anything else and [UNKNOWN]: When I went to college, so I was a 28-year-old man when I went to college, and when I went to college and they had their roster, in the University of San Diego, when I went to college, those professors were the only people that I would call me John and I didn't correct him because I wasn't like a, yeah, I didn't actually call me Jockel. [UNKNOWN]: No, I was like, John, you're up here. [UNKNOWN]: Those are the only people that... [UNKNOWN]: you ever call me John, and other than that, yeah, it's a Jocco.

2:45:48 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is less ridiculous than McGee. [UNKNOWN]: McGee is beyond yours. [UNKNOWN]: But it is pretty, you know, if you gave yourself the name Jocco, it would be kind of ridiculous, you know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: But more ridiculous to give yourself the name McGee would talk the most. [UNKNOWN]: Let's be on a real one. [UNKNOWN]: And a lot of people think I did it, but what am I going to do now? [UNKNOWN]: Turn my back on my family, and I got to lean in. [UNKNOWN]: No, you got to lean in. [UNKNOWN]: That's the way it is a McG film Twitter. [UNKNOWN]: Do you ever go on Twitter X not so not so often? [UNKNOWN]: McG McG McG's Wonderland I guess is that echo Charles before we close out. [UNKNOWN]: Do you have any questions? [UNKNOWN]: You're the really many many many many many questions, but in the sake of brevity we'll say we'll keep them up.

2:46:31 [UNKNOWN]: How great is Echo? [UNKNOWN]: Echo's a big hit in the community. [UNKNOWN]: They come for Jocco. [UNKNOWN]: They stay for Echoes. [UNKNOWN]: You believe me. [UNKNOWN]: You will tell you that comment's been made before maybe six times, but it's the most powerful comment in Echoes world. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, we're here. [UNKNOWN]: They came for Jocco, they stay for Echoes. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: All right. [UNKNOWN]: So the exposure therapy. [UNKNOWN]: scenario, how long did that take from day one of that process to the point where you're like, hey, I've a handle on this stuff. [UNKNOWN]: It took six months to sort of sit in at all and then it never ends. [UNKNOWN]: Like it's still today. [UNKNOWN]: I still seek things that, that, you know, would invoke that feeling in that beginning of that rise and train it.

2:47:12 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's misappropriated adrenaline. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: But then the thought process makes it very, very dreadful. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: But all it is is the rise of the adrenaline and then your mind prescribing it in the wrong way. [UNKNOWN]: You know, but it, I thought when I began, it's not going to work. [UNKNOWN]: I looked at the therapist like, it's not going to work, it's not going to work. [UNKNOWN]: And they said, great, it's not going to just shut up and try. [UNKNOWN]: Just try. [UNKNOWN]: And there's something to be like, I had a bad day. [UNKNOWN]: I don't care about your bad day. [UNKNOWN]: I don't care about anything. [UNKNOWN]: All we're gonna do is focus on this thing. [UNKNOWN]: I can't go all the way to the plane. [UNKNOWN]: How far can you go? [UNKNOWN]: Well, then that's how far we're gonna go today. [UNKNOWN]: And tomorrow we're gonna try to go a little bit different. [UNKNOWN]: That was it. [UNKNOWN]: It was shocking how simple it was.

2:47:52 [UNKNOWN]: So six months. [UNKNOWN]: It's a really start to buy into the program. [UNKNOWN]: Six months before we could get on the plane. [UNKNOWN]: It probably took me four months. [UNKNOWN]: After three or four months, I tried, there was a rich dude in Santa Barbara, he had a G4, and I chartered it off of them. [UNKNOWN]: It was housed at Van Eyes. [UNKNOWN]: And I go, he's thinking I'm gonna go fly around and do the thing that guys do. [UNKNOWN]: I go, I'm no one, one day I'd like to fly, but right now I literally just need to go out there and just get you acclimate and just get used to it. [UNKNOWN]: So that took about three months that I probably spent a month on it than a couple more weeks taxing [UNKNOWN]: You know, yeah, I have a not too bad but claustrophobia and it's you explaining it was like, brother, that's exactly what it is because you know like up here you know the front of your brain like intellectually you know like you know okay completely okay, but then we'll do that way literally out of control like literally a bad claustrophobic scenario stuck in an elevator what about so like like if you were lying on the grass [UNKNOWN]: and the track and field meet, and you fell asleep in the sun on your back.

2:49:02 [UNKNOWN]: Somebody took that giant high jump mat, and six guys came across and laid it on top of you, and you were stuck like, if I, if I, if I had my hands up, yes, yes. [UNKNOWN]: Well, just, so that was your bad. [UNKNOWN]: So that was your bad. [UNKNOWN]: I used to, you would maybe feel [UNKNOWN]: when I would get control side control on top of him and just immobilize him, he would tap. [UNKNOWN]: No, no chokehold, no arm lock. [UNKNOWN]: I was just a clostrel. [UNKNOWN]: Just he couldn't move. [UNKNOWN]: And he would just fucking tap out. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let me out of this hole. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so, and this is why that one is it. [UNKNOWN]: That one, that's when it really done on me that this is completely, [UNKNOWN]: Like, not even just like a logical.

2:49:49 [UNKNOWN]: It's like a contextual. [UNKNOWN]: Because one time, once he found that out, he would try to do it all the time. [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah. [UNKNOWN]: I don't want to help my friends. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He did it like, you could tell. [UNKNOWN]: It was out of like, how high got you, even in a more advanced psychological warfare way. [UNKNOWN]: And I was like, hey, I did it. [UNKNOWN]: But anytime I'd like kind of get the hint with his vibe, you know, you can kind of when you wrote somebody, you can tell their vibe or whatever. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: When I would get the vibe that he's trying to do that, [UNKNOWN]: So he was going for side control. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and to hold it. [UNKNOWN]: And one time, he put his, like we're up and get, like by the walk, like the walls are padded. [UNKNOWN]: Yep. [UNKNOWN]: He puts his feet up on the wall, so he gets more heavy. [UNKNOWN]: That's what he was doing. [UNKNOWN]: And he's like doing that. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, oh, he's trying to do it right now.

2:50:30 [UNKNOWN]: And then it completely went away. [UNKNOWN]: Like it didn't affect me at all. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly right. [UNKNOWN]: The only times is, here's when it really, I shouldn't even tell you this, but the really, when it really used to get me is when we get into a real scramble, [UNKNOWN]: And I'd be like, not, he's like beating me in this, when you, when you win a scramble, basically, you're trying to do it and you wind up in a good position. [UNKNOWN]: That's when you win a scramble. [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to a scramble and refusing to lose the scramble and I'm, you know, I'm defending and I'm freaking trying to do my thing or whatever and then if I'm starting to get a little bit tired. [UNKNOWN]: real tired sometimes and then he'll win the scramble inside control. [UNKNOWN]: And because when you win a scramble, we're both kind of expanding energy, right?

2:51:10 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course. [UNKNOWN]: So when you win the scramble, you want to stay in that position. [UNKNOWN]: So I'm like gasing in a bad position. [UNKNOWN]: And he's not going anywhere. [UNKNOWN]: He's not giving up that breath. [UNKNOWN]: So I know psychologically, like there's no logical reason for me to get out of this position and I'm breathing hard, as soon as I say it. [UNKNOWN]: So it's not like I can just panicking get out of the energy to do it. [UNKNOWN]: It's like, I feel like I'm gonna die. [UNKNOWN]: Even though I know I'm not gonna die, I feel like I'm gonna die and then I'll tap. [UNKNOWN]: And that's pretty much the only times I would. [UNKNOWN]: And that's how I was like, [UNKNOWN]: Good conditioning, like, really helps, but I never went through any kind of like that. [UNKNOWN]: I just figured the more I roll with them or just won the general.

2:51:52 [UNKNOWN]: Now, did you have an inciting incident? [UNKNOWN]: Do you ever get locked in a box as a kid? [UNKNOWN]: You ever have a guy sit on you and tie you up for too long? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, remember when we were young, like, we wrestle and then we'd have like a blanket. [UNKNOWN]: And you like roll the guy up. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Like hold him down. [UNKNOWN]: I remember we used to roll the guys up in the wrestling mats. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: I got rolled up. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but not very well. [UNKNOWN]: My brother did. [UNKNOWN]: Okay. [UNKNOWN]: Again, so as part of the like for suing all that, but again, yeah, yeah, but I remember we did that and, you know, and we kind of did it for fun and kind of did it for torts like you do when you're good, but like I can see a couple guys went sideways with that one because that one's not really. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a fine. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: You know what I mean? [UNKNOWN]: Dude, Mike, so Hicks and Gracie, Hicks and Gracie, he had that feeling.

2:52:34 [UNKNOWN]: and what he did, you know, he had some great things like this, the most legendary fighter of the entire greatest exam. [UNKNOWN]: Of course. [UNKNOWN]: So, Hicks and had that issue, claustrophobia, and he had his brothers roll him up in a carpet. [UNKNOWN]: with his hands up over his head over and over again until he got control. [UNKNOWN]: Wow, that's your pleasure. [UNKNOWN]: That's like, but that's like, that's the not, hey, do what you can today. [UNKNOWN]: No, that's like, yeah, they're going parachuteing today. [UNKNOWN]: That's what's happening to me. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: No, but that's called flooding. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay. [UNKNOWN]: That is, it's called, and guess what happens? [UNKNOWN]: It works.

2:53:15 [UNKNOWN]: Flutting. [UNKNOWN]: Flut, go, go, go, let's do it 100. [UNKNOWN]: You got to go. [UNKNOWN]: And you think you're going to die and you go through the whole thing and then you come out the other and go, I didn't die. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't die. [UNKNOWN]: I'm still breathing like you think like I'm in it if you do that You roll me up in the carpet. [UNKNOWN]: I will stop breathing my heart. [UNKNOWN]: Well, I will die. [UNKNOWN]: No, you won't you can't you can't So that's it's hard to understand when you're in it You know what I'm talking about, but you do have the truth on your side. [UNKNOWN]: That's a deadpool was made by the way If you watch a deadpool one how do I mean like they they flooded them yeah with like physical and psychological pain To the point of death and then they'd stop and they did it for so long that he had no choice [UNKNOWN]: How'd you get roped into pump?

2:53:57 [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was a great opportunity. [UNKNOWN]: That was [UNKNOWN]: Then a new girl comes home. [UNKNOWN]: That's not the girl from the beginning goes, hi man, I'm so glad you're home now. [UNKNOWN]: So Katie Holmes, I got you tight realized, like I just saw you kiss some other girl. [UNKNOWN]: And actually, and I kind of go to get you something, you know what I mean?

2:54:38 [UNKNOWN]: I do the thing. [UNKNOWN]: And then I leave and then the girl asked Katie Holmes was he just with another girl because we're kind of, you know, it's my fiance, by the way, fiance, not boyfriend, it's my fiance, I need to know. [UNKNOWN]: So, Katie Holmes has to make a decision right there and I'm gonna lie on behalf of some guy I've known for 90 seconds and she does this, you would like, I'm just here for a meeting, I'm not doing a thing and then of course they do the worst thing of all time. [UNKNOWN]: My fiancée's there talking to Katie Holmes, is there another girl or not? [UNKNOWN]: And the girl from the original walkout with the kiss returns to the scene for God or sweater. [UNKNOWN]: And goes, hi babe, I knew the thing does. [UNKNOWN]: So instead of getting my fiancée getting mad at me, which she does plenty, she takes it out on Katie Holmes.

2:55:21 [UNKNOWN]: How could you lie to me, woman to woman? [UNKNOWN]: And not telling me that there was another... [UNKNOWN]: It's Katie Holmes. [UNKNOWN]: I got to go. [UNKNOWN]: This is unbelievable. [UNKNOWN]: I got to get out of here and it's it's an Arla. [UNKNOWN]: And you see Demi more like coaching me up with the earwig. [UNKNOWN]: You know, tell me how to play. [UNKNOWN]: It was dark side. [UNKNOWN]: At least she can take some blame. [UNKNOWN]: I can lay it off on Demi. [UNKNOWN]: I lay it on Demi. [UNKNOWN]: Do not take ownership of that through. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a lot of those episodes. [UNKNOWN]: They're fun to watch, but you're right. [UNKNOWN]: Like after while you're like, [UNKNOWN]: Because you never know, when you squeeze somebody in public like that or like in the wild, you know, when they're not ready for you never know, you're like, you know, like, like, what if you traumatize somebody, you know, you kind of go down that thought process.

2:56:04 [UNKNOWN]: But it was that was a, that was a fun show. [UNKNOWN]: I remember that was a prank thing to wild. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: There's a there's a prankster on like YouTube. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. [UNKNOWN]: He's this guy that goes into the hood. [UNKNOWN]: And he just says wild shit to people. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but he'll say like, um, [UNKNOWN]: Hey boy, you want to get checked and people are like, what, like what, what, you would have talking about it and they get in his face. [UNKNOWN]: He's had guns pulled on him and stuff, right? [UNKNOWN]: And eventually he'll say like, no, I got a check. [UNKNOWN]: I want to give you a check first or he'll be like, you want to get smoked and then he'll give him a cigarette. [UNKNOWN]: You know, but he really pushes the envelope. [UNKNOWN]: That's a dangerous life. [UNKNOWN]: It's dangerous life, dangerous life. [UNKNOWN]: It's wild, no, no, there's gonna go. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely.

2:56:45 [UNKNOWN]: Any other questions? [UNKNOWN]: Not for today. [UNKNOWN]: Maybe I'd like to love it, but I'm so glad we're in the slot, too, getting ready for the release of the movie. [UNKNOWN]: I'll be back, and again, I'm glad that you did that bit with Mary, and I'll never make another movie without trying to figure out a way to get you into it. [UNKNOWN]: And you, you can't escape. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, he brings excellence in legitimacy to everything. [UNKNOWN]: Excellent, and legitimacy. [UNKNOWN]: All right, so you boys gonna hang around for tonight? [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we're gonna hang around for tonight. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just go any other closing thoughts? [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm just humbled and honored to be a part of it. [UNKNOWN]: It has been, you know, the single greatest movie experience of my life. [UNKNOWN]: It's because it's more than just a movie. [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's a movie that I think we can be proud of. [UNKNOWN]: And I'm so happy to put it into the world and see what kind of life it takes. [UNKNOWN]: And now it's gonna live forever.

2:57:26 [UNKNOWN]: Well, thank you. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you so much, man. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you. [UNKNOWN]: And we'll do it again for good to say. [UNKNOWN]: My deepest gratitude. [UNKNOWN]: for for directing and I don't I don't I don't think people always understand what direct means. [UNKNOWN]: Guiding, shepherding, making this thing happen with your soul, with your passion, staying true to the story. [UNKNOWN]: And I think this really is going to help millions of kids and parents and people around the world and it would not be what it is without. [UNKNOWN]: you, Mick G. Well, it wouldn't be without you. [UNKNOWN]: So right back at you. [UNKNOWN]: And I mean, what a great team we got echo. [UNKNOWN]: We got Ben. [UNKNOWN]: We got the great Chris Pratt. [UNKNOWN]: We got it done. [UNKNOWN]: And now it's just about time to give it to the world. [UNKNOWN]: Let's have a ball. [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.

2:58:06 [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's go. [UNKNOWN]: And with that, Mick G has left the building. [UNKNOWN]: Warrior Kid is coming. [UNKNOWN]: So we all need to get better mentally, physically. [UNKNOWN]: Lots of different ways, and you know what that means, means we got to get after it running, sprinting, due to swimming, surfing, lifting, yeah. [UNKNOWN]: Pretty hyped about that, Mick G, weren't you? [UNKNOWN]: He liked that. [UNKNOWN]: I do like that, yes. [UNKNOWN]: Hey, that's my people, you know, part of my whole thing. [UNKNOWN]: Culture. [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know that the whole reason behind Echo Charles's video life was Terminator 4, Salvation.

2:58:52 [UNKNOWN]: Terminator 4 salvation, the trailer. [UNKNOWN]: And we spoke about that on one of the episodes. [UNKNOWN]: Brother-in-law, it was like, [UNKNOWN]: Maybe two or three trailers that are like what the other two. [UNKNOWN]: I can't even recall to be honest with you The only one that really matters. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, apparently. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry. [UNKNOWN]: I know the other two. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no Pirates of the Caribbean check two of them. [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the one I think it's on Stranger Tides. [UNKNOWN]: I think Pirates four part four and then the Pirates did mental no tales my kids forgive love pirates [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just don't call it by the way. [UNKNOWN]: Oh, good to go.

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3:01:39 [UNKNOWN]: So yes, jockel store. [UNKNOWN]: .com. [UNKNOWN]: That's where you can get it. [UNKNOWN]: What if you like something when you're there? [UNKNOWN]: Just get something better. [UNKNOWN]: Check, uh, books. [UNKNOWN]: Check out warrior kid series. [UNKNOWN]: Check out Mikey in the Dragons. [UNKNOWN]: Check out put your legs on by Rob Jones. [UNKNOWN]: Check out me delete by Dave Burke. [UNKNOWN]: Check out the other books that I've written. [UNKNOWN]: And go see way of the warrior kid on November 25th streaming on Apple. [UNKNOWN]: Actually on front.com we teach leadership and you can use leadership to solve all the problems that you have when your team or your organization or at home. [UNKNOWN]: Actually on front.com for our services. [UNKNOWN]: We also have online leadership training, extremeownership.com.

3:02:20 [UNKNOWN]: This is our online training academy. [UNKNOWN]: So you can learn the skills of leadership. [UNKNOWN]: to apply to every aspect of your life, so check that out as well. [UNKNOWN]: And if you want to help service members, active and retired, you want to help their families go to star families. [UNKNOWN]: Check out Mark Lee's mom, mom Lee. [UNKNOWN]: Now Mark Lee is the name of the lead character in the way of the warrior kid series. [UNKNOWN]: So, tribute to him and he's mom. [UNKNOWN]: Mama Lee has got an amazing charity organization if you want to donate or you want to get involved go to America's mighty warriors dot org. [UNKNOWN]: You can also check out heroes and horses not org and then Jimmy Mays Organization beyond the brotherhood dot org. [UNKNOWN]: If you want to connect with Mick G you can check out Wonderland soundinvision.com.

3:03:06 [UNKNOWN]: He's also on instagram at Mick G film and then for us check out jockwood.com [UNKNOWN]: And we are on social media, but not very much. [UNKNOWN]: I'm a juggle-winning Ecosad Aquatrals. [UNKNOWN]: Just watch out for the algorithm, because it's not healthy. [UNKNOWN]: It's not good for you. [UNKNOWN]: It's make G pointed out. [UNKNOWN]: Social media is not good for you. [UNKNOWN]: Don't be on there. [UNKNOWN]: Thanks once again to Mick G for joining us here tonight, for entertaining us over the years, and for helping bring way of the warrior kid to the world on the big screen. [UNKNOWN]: Thanks to the warriors of our military. [UNKNOWN]: that are out there right now, station around the world, defending freedom, defending our way of life, defending our ability to pursue our dreams back here in this blessed country.

3:03:50 [UNKNOWN]: America, we thank you for your service and sacrifice. [UNKNOWN]: Also, thanks to our police law enforcement firefighters, paramedics, EMTs, dispatchers, correctional officers, border patrol, secret services as well as all other first responders. [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for your sacrifice to keep us safe and defend us here at home and everyone else out there. [UNKNOWN]: some great lessons from Mick G. And you know, really, such as clear and obvious one, why do we even have to talk about it? [UNKNOWN]: You gotta face your fears. [UNKNOWN]: That's what it is. [UNKNOWN]: The thing that you're afraid of, you gotta go do it. [UNKNOWN]: and life is short, and you don't make any progress if you don't face your fears.

3:04:31 [UNKNOWN]: Instead, you'll end up in the fetal position, curl up on your couch, hiding your eyes from the world. [UNKNOWN]: Don't let that happen, do the thing, make it happen. [UNKNOWN]: Throw that TV through the window. [UNKNOWN]: Ride that motorcycle into the pool, bring some rock and roll, bring some passion, bring some art, bring some life to the world. [UNKNOWN]: That's all we've got for tonight. [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to tell next time. [UNKNOWN]: This is Echo and Jocco.