Jan. 19, 2026
Jocko Underground: Would You Take a Loss of Rank For More Convenience?
Would you take a demotion in rank for convenience? Handle vindictive gatekeepers. Feeling ashamed of your service like you didn't do enough? How to deal with people who need to be put in their place. Give big time advice to small-time people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 197 sitting here with echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have received some questions from you all And we will provide some guidance some recommendations Maybe in some cases some answers and at a minimum some courses of action you can take to overcome the challenges we face in life
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[SPEAKER_00]: You good with that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good with that in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very well said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First question from me in our website.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm currently a sergeant at a sheriff's office in the Northeast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been at my current department for around 10 years, but I'm thinking of transferring to another department that is closer to my home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My current department is around 45 minute drive from my house.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The department I am looking to transfer to is only 5 minutes away, and it has a better schedule for on, for off, for on 3 off, compared to the current department that I'm at 5 on 2 off.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I transfer, I will be making the same amount of money, I'm currently making.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to start over on the road as a regular deputy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Although the department I'm at currently is smaller and I still have to answer calls as a sergeant because of the limited staffing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like making the switch would be a better, would be better just for the schedule alone as I have the family and I would have more time with my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I will lose my surgeon title and I'm struggling to decide what choice I should make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for all you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a diehard listener from day one and I hope to make it to a master someday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let me just tell you my biases in this situation because I think they make it really obvious answer for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, I don't like commuting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you start talking about a 45 minute drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an hour and a half day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't like commuting at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind spending time in the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So having to go out and do the work as it go back to being a deputy, cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like regular deputy gets on titles don't mean very much to me if anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So like hey, I get no joy out of being a sergeant or deputy or captain or lieutenant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter to me and you kids are going to grow up quick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you take an hour and a half a day, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what, how many, you know, that's hours and hours a week that you're not seeing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with those biases, I hate to say it because normally, you know, I'm a little bit cautious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my biases is pretty easy to answer for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would change departments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would work close to home.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd spend more time with my family and I'd enjoy a better schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would bus my ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would get promoted very quickly because I would be so focused when I'm on the job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The schedule's better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Four on, four off and then four on, three off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a four day weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I get it, man, you're working hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not there, but still, you get three day weekends and four day weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to two day week like this is a total no-brainer to me especially you're making the same amount of money because it's a total no-brainer to me uh... that's it that's what i got i mean it's straightforward to me i don't even see i can't even come up with negatives me neither i mean so i guess under those circumstances of someone really wanting that title which you know in internal like certain cultures like i see how that could maybe i could get there is what i'm saying but
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I recently heard that people with long commutes have a lower, like, what do you call, like, what do you, you know, when you evaluate your own life, the quality of life will be like lower, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's reported lower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not surprised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do know people that kind of take advantage of their commutes and they make calls and they listen to podcasts and all that stuff, which is cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I'd rather be making calls while I was on a freaking treadmill in my house or something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While I was, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh my gosh, big tent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like every two weeks or so, you're losing a whole day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, straight up whole day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, come here to five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, it doesn't matter the jump.
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[SPEAKER_01]: like if you had a job in someone said hey you might even lose some pay like a little bit of pay but instead of driving a lot of pay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Driving all the way to the next two towns over or what depends on where you look you know we'll say the next town over 45 minutes there one way and then 45 minutes instead of that you just drive one block or two three blocks down the road
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you don't get paid for driving.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there you give you an hour and a half a day Just take that hour and a half and like what was that payment?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're babe paying them back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're working you're working an hour and a half a day for free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good good point So yeah, that's no brainer to me go get some
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's a huge plane actually, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you're like, what about these people with the hour two hour commutes, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right, you are kind of working for free.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are times where like, sometimes guys in the military and the SEAL teams, they live an hour and 20 minutes away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they got like a two hour commute a day, two hour, two and a half hour commute a day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they bought a house somewhere in some place that they really want to live this school district, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the SEAL teams, like, you go to work
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to continue to listen,
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[SPEAKER_00]: go to jockelunderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way but we but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control
06:00.160 --> 06:19.290
[SPEAKER_00]: and we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us and to do that we are building a website right now where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, it's jacco underground.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It costs $8 and $18 a month and if you can't afford to support
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can still support you just email assistance at jockelonaground.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.
00:00.031 --> 00:05.019
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 197 sitting here with echo Charles.
00:05.580 --> 00:21.364
[SPEAKER_00]: We have received some questions from you all And we will provide some guidance some recommendations Maybe in some cases some answers and at a minimum some courses of action you can take to overcome the challenges we face in life
00:23.183 --> 00:24.125
[SPEAKER_00]: You good with that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm good with that in the chat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very well said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First question from me in our website.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm currently a sergeant at a sheriff's office in the Northeast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been at my current department for around 10 years, but I'm thinking of transferring to another department that is closer to my home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My current department is around 45 minute drive from my house.
00:45.072 --> 00:56.700
[SPEAKER_01]: The department I am looking to transfer to is only 5 minutes away, and it has a better schedule for on, for off, for on 3 off, compared to the current department that I'm at 5 on 2 off.
00:56.680 --> 01:01.231
[SPEAKER_01]: If I transfer, I will be making the same amount of money, I'm currently making.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have to start over on the road as a regular deputy.
01:06.143 --> 01:13.440
[SPEAKER_01]: Although the department I'm at currently is smaller and I still have to answer calls as a sergeant because of the limited staffing.
01:13.420 --> 01:20.570
[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like making the switch would be a better, would be better just for the schedule alone as I have the family and I would have more time with my kids.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of course, I will lose my surgeon title and I'm struggling to decide what choice I should make.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for all you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm a diehard listener from day one and I hope to make it to a master someday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, let me just tell you my biases in this situation because I think they make it really obvious answer for me.
01:48.464 --> 01:49.526
[SPEAKER_00]: Number one, I don't like commuting.
01:50.788 --> 01:52.631
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you start talking about a 45 minute drive.
01:52.972 --> 01:54.955
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an hour and a half day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's gone.
01:56.738 --> 01:59.541
[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't like commuting at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't mind spending time in the field.
02:02.504 --> 02:06.708
[SPEAKER_00]: So having to go out and do the work as it go back to being a deputy, cool.
02:06.728 --> 02:13.135
[SPEAKER_00]: Like regular deputy gets on titles don't mean very much to me if anything.
02:13.375 --> 02:18.500
[SPEAKER_00]: So like hey, I get no joy out of being a sergeant or deputy or captain or lieutenant.
02:18.640 --> 02:23.185
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter to me and you kids are going to grow up quick.
02:25.038 --> 02:28.586
[SPEAKER_00]: And you take an hour and a half a day, right?
02:29.768 --> 02:36.363
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what, how many, you know, that's hours and hours a week that you're not seeing them.
02:36.644 --> 02:44.160
[SPEAKER_00]: So with those biases, I hate to say it because normally, you know, I'm a little bit cautious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my biases is pretty easy to answer for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would change departments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would work close to home.
02:49.001 --> 02:51.606
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd spend more time with my family and I'd enjoy a better schedule.
02:51.626 --> 02:52.507
[SPEAKER_00]: I would bus my ass.
02:52.527 --> 02:56.174
[SPEAKER_00]: I would get promoted very quickly because I would be so focused when I'm on the job.
02:56.835 --> 02:57.577
[SPEAKER_00]: The schedule's better.
02:58.158 --> 02:59.981
[SPEAKER_00]: Four on, four off and then four on, three off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a four day weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I get it, man, you're working hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not there, but still, you get three day weekends and four day weekends.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as opposed to two day week like this is a total no-brainer to me especially you're making the same amount of money because it's a total no-brainer to me uh... that's it that's what i got i mean it's straightforward to me i don't even see i can't even come up with negatives me neither i mean so i guess under those circumstances of someone really wanting that title which you know in internal like certain cultures like i see how that could maybe i could get there is what i'm saying but
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I recently heard that people with long commutes have a lower, like, what do you call, like, what do you, you know, when you evaluate your own life, the quality of life will be like lower, I guess.
03:46.289 --> 03:47.271
[SPEAKER_01]: It's reported lower.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not surprised.
03:48.092 --> 03:54.782
[SPEAKER_00]: I do know people that kind of take advantage of their commutes and they make calls and they listen to podcasts and all that stuff, which is cool.
03:54.762 --> 03:59.630
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I'd rather be making calls while I was on a freaking treadmill in my house or something.
03:59.650 --> 03:59.750
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: While I was, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, oh my gosh, big tent.
04:02.034 --> 04:04.859
[SPEAKER_01]: So like every two weeks or so, you're losing a whole day.
04:05.059 --> 04:07.123
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, straight up whole day.
04:07.163 --> 04:08.766
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, come here to five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Bro, it doesn't matter the jump.
04:10.709 --> 04:17.543
[SPEAKER_01]: like if you had a job in someone said hey you might even lose some pay like a little bit of pay but instead of driving a lot of pay.
04:18.264 --> 04:31.671
[SPEAKER_01]: Driving all the way to the next two towns over or what depends on where you look you know we'll say the next town over 45 minutes there one way and then 45 minutes instead of that you just drive one block or two three blocks down the road
04:31.651 --> 04:35.199
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, you don't get paid for driving.
04:35.619 --> 04:41.071
[SPEAKER_00]: So there you give you an hour and a half a day Just take that hour and a half and like what was that payment?
04:41.913 --> 04:43.336
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're babe paying them back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're working you're working an hour and a half a day for free.
04:46.643 --> 04:50.892
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good good point So yeah, that's no brainer to me go get some
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, that's a huge plane actually, yeah.
04:53.654 --> 04:57.538
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you're like, what about these people with the hour two hour commutes, you know?
04:57.558 --> 04:59.219
[SPEAKER_01]: You're right, you are kind of working for free.
04:59.259 --> 05:06.466
[SPEAKER_00]: There are times where like, sometimes guys in the military and the SEAL teams, they live an hour and 20 minutes away.
05:06.866 --> 05:10.069
[SPEAKER_00]: So they got like a two hour commute a day, two hour, two and a half hour commute a day.
05:10.609 --> 05:16.374
[SPEAKER_00]: But they bought a house somewhere in some place that they really want to live this school district, whatever.
05:17.115 --> 05:20.878
[SPEAKER_00]: And in the SEAL teams, like, you go to work
05:20.858 --> 05:28.595
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
05:28.696 --> 05:30.042
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to continue to listen,
05:31.507 --> 06:00.180
[SPEAKER_00]: go to jockelunderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way but we but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control
06:00.160 --> 06:19.290
[SPEAKER_00]: and we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us and to do that we are building a website right now where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
06:19.671 --> 06:22.415
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, it's jacco underground.com.
06:22.756 --> 06:28.024
[SPEAKER_00]: It costs $8 and $18 a month and if you can't afford to support
06:29.152 --> 06:41.541
[SPEAKER_00]: We can still support you just email assistance at jockelonaground.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.