Aug. 10, 2026
Jocko Underground: Why Do People Refuse to Learn or Talk About The Future Of The World Around Us?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel underground podcast number 225 Sitting here with echo Charles and we have a variety of questions from the front from the front lines of life Where people are out there in the trenches trying to make things happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to maneuver their elements out there on the battlefield of life And we're gonna give these questions some answers
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some recommendations, or at a minimum, some courses of action that they can follow to win that battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the very least, avoid some of the pitfalls, avoid enemy ambushes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, ambushes avoid terrible terrain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terrible terrain, plunging fire upon them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm here to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to watch out for those next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right, first question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Chalka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 49, married, and an empty nester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my industry has been going through major changes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've spent a lot of time studying what's coming because I want to understand it and be prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The more I learn, the more I learn, know the more frustrates I've become with people who don't seem interested in learning or even discuss it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've noticed this mindset spilling into other parts of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of trying to convince people, I increasingly keep to myself because it feels easier than arguing with close-minded people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still work out golf and stay active, but my social circle has gotten much smaller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know when it's wise to stop wasting energy on people who don't want to learn versus when you're becoming too isolated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this just a normal part of getting older or is it something I should actively push back against?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like you're cool sounds like you're getting after it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's good It sounds like you're growing and evolving in the right direction because sometimes people devolve Right, it's gonna watch out for that
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it sounds like you're going in the in the right direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when that happens Some of the people in your life and in your worlds they don't Grow or they don't evolve in the same direction as you might not be the wrong direction, but it might not be the same direction So they at that point may begin to fade from your life a little bit Right
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[SPEAKER_01]: what does that look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the nature of life in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the nature of life in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have people in your life that you all are into crochet, but then you kind of grow out of crochet and you don't really hang around with that person anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that can happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go through stages of evolution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get new interest, new hobbies, new focuses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to abandon some of your old focuses, some of your old interests, some of your old hobbies and some people are going to come along with you and some people won't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that's the way it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you will eventually meet some new people with that have the same new interests that you have and are in this new hobby that you're into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that might take a little bit of time, it won't happen immediately, but eventually meet a different
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[SPEAKER_01]: social circle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'd be totally different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There'll be some venn diagram.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there'll be some people that you're still in DJJitsu and they're in DJJitsu, but they're also in the kayaking and you're into playing guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the venn diagram will still overlap in DJJitsu, but you know, they're not playing guitar with you and you're not going kayaking with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at some point your social circle might end up a little bit smaller, but it'll be a little bit tighter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With a bunch of people that have some aligned interest because you're gonna also have some friends that are introduced to and in Qatar So that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It might tighten up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think you have anything to You know be concerned about becoming isolated Because you're just gonna find some some new friends out there now That being said, I think it's very important to remember To keep an open mind because I can tell you what I have
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[SPEAKER_01]: all kinds of different friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got all kinds of different, I got friends at our hippies, I got friends at our metal heads, I got friends at our finance bros, I got you jits, you junkie friends, I got surf bum friends, I got musician friends, I got, I got friends at that smoke pot all day long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that do mushrooms, what's it called?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Micro dose mushrooms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never even done any drugs in my whole life other than
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely not micro dosing mushrooms all day, or doing other hallucinogenics on a regular basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can say, I got friends that are working construction all day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are in police law enforcement, obviously friends that are in the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are millionaires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are billionaires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some of my friends have no, you know, to talk about, to talk with them about working out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't even, it wouldn't even be a, it would be an, mutually unintelligible discussion, like they wouldn't know what I was talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have no, I could talk about squads and they would not even, they would not know what that means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you start talking to someone about it, Uma Plata.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's people that have no idea what a Uma Plata is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's people that have no idea what a squad is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm friends with all those kind of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those different people that are all different that have different interests, they bring different things to the table, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And am I going to, here's the thing, you'll go into the question here, is am I going to argue with somebody that has been micro-dosing mushrooms for a decade?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to argue with them and try and change their mind about what they're doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you a hint, no, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: am I going to argue with someone that loves playing music and hasn't, you know, has has kind of made kind of a partial career out of playing music, you know, maybe there are a music coach or a music instructor, but their band never quite made it and they're kind of getting, you know, am I going to try and convince them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, what you should do is you should get into an insurance sales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to talk?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got friends that are crazy left wing, liberal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are crazy right wing conservative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to try and bring them more to the center?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hear their viewpoint, but it's going to be interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to learn from them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this this question sounds got a little sprinkle of judgment in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, say little sprinkle of judgment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little sprinkle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This mindset of arguing with clothes, my very clothes-minded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're working out, wasting energy on people who don't want, of course, people don't want to learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to learn, apparently you don't want to learn either, because you don't want to hear what they have to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, keep that in mind, don't be super judgmental with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can learn from anybody, and you know what, I enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: these different lives that people live, these different perspectives that they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tell stories that are freaking crazy, like crazy, crazy stories that I enjoy listening to, that teach me about the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess what I'm saying is as you grow and as you evolve, don't become jaded and don't certainly don't get a superiority complex, which is very tempting because I would say,
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[SPEAKER_01]: when my kids were
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like, let's say 15 years ago, maybe even 20 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a little bit of the, you know, what is it, the food religion, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, can't believe you're eating sugar, you give me a, you know, you're, oh, you, I don't know if you want to let your kids eat that, I had that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it took me a little, my wife was like, hey, you're not allowed to talk about food with my friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I'm an asshole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying because they don't they're like, bro, I'm trying my kids eating a freaking they're they're you know I got three kids They're they're whatever stabbing balloons with knives like things are crazy when you got three kids You know and I'm over here like really sure they want to eat those Doritos That's probably not the most you know what what nope no that's not that's not my world Leave them alone now look if someone's like a really close friend of mine and like hey man We you know can you talk to them about nutrition for their kids you can again danger
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[SPEAKER_01]: Danger, it's a real sensitive topic, especially when you talk about raising kids, because no one wants to, you know, your suggestions to make people mad, so be careful of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't become jaded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of, uh, let's see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you notice why is the top stop wasting energy on people who don't want to learn?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't waste energy on people that don't want to learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't mean you should cast them out of your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should just not try and walk around trying to educate everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's not fun for anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really not even fun for you apparently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and you say, is this just part of getting older or is it something I should actively push back against?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the thing you should push back against is just like, people are up-minded, chill, people aren't gonna be on board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I only hung around with people that fought like me, I'd have zero friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd give it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have zero friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have zero friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My social circle would be one, me and my dog, two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because he's down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get singa like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's carnivore, he likes to run, he likes to get after it, he'll attack things, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The world is filled with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of them are exactly like you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be frustrated by the differences that you have with other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just enjoy, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy the differences that you have with other people instead of letting them frustrate you and you will have a much more enjoyable life And that's what I got it so right the especially that that two-way street kind of scenario where it's like oh, yeah Did it and what did you say people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get frustrated with people who don't seem to seem interested in learning or even discussing
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[SPEAKER_00]: like, but you don't want to learn about what I'm interested in and what I've been studying, like how dare you, you know, like I'm so superior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, and you brought up that, you know, as an example, whatever insurance, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's kind of like, if you're not into insurance,
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[SPEAKER_00]: someone like, hey, bro, there's some new developments in that insurance, you know, those guidelines and these these regulations, man, you should see this is this and that and you're like boring people with your insurance knowledge that you've been studying and you know, seeing on the news like all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then saying, like, what's wrong with you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is the future, literally the future and like, you're not entry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you ignorant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, talk about insurance right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the freaking barbecue, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is, I mean, I'm just guessing my recently my industry has been going through major changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I spent a lot of time studying what's coming because I want to understand and be prepared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 90% chance this is some AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 90% chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember that it'd be some, you know, even in a single picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm super into some new radio that came out.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, not the radio meant they're still in a seal, but they're a frog, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to know how to operate radio, they don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some new weapon site comes out and the snipers all fired up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you guys want to, hey, I'm going to get the range for tonight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel underground podcast number 225 Sitting here with echo Charles and we have a variety of questions from the front from the front lines of life Where people are out there in the trenches trying to make things happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to maneuver their elements out there on the battlefield of life And we're gonna give these questions some answers
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some recommendations, or at a minimum, some courses of action that they can follow to win that battle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the very least, avoid some of the pitfalls, avoid enemy ambushes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I mean, ambushes avoid terrible terrain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Terrible terrain, plunging fire upon them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm here to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're trying to watch out for those next.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, all right, first question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, Chalka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 49, married, and an empty nester.
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[SPEAKER_00]: my industry has been going through major changes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've spent a lot of time studying what's coming because I want to understand it and be prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The more I learn, the more I learn, know the more frustrates I've become with people who don't seem interested in learning or even discuss it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've noticed this mindset spilling into other parts of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of trying to convince people, I increasingly keep to myself because it feels easier than arguing with close-minded people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still work out golf and stay active, but my social circle has gotten much smaller.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you know when it's wise to stop wasting energy on people who don't want to learn versus when you're becoming too isolated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is this just a normal part of getting older or is it something I should actively push back against?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like you're cool sounds like you're getting after it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's good It sounds like you're growing and evolving in the right direction because sometimes people devolve Right, it's gonna watch out for that
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it sounds like you're going in the in the right direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when that happens Some of the people in your life and in your worlds they don't Grow or they don't evolve in the same direction as you might not be the wrong direction, but it might not be the same direction So they at that point may begin to fade from your life a little bit Right
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[SPEAKER_01]: what does that look like?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the nature of life in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the nature of life in general.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have people in your life that you all are into crochet, but then you kind of grow out of crochet and you don't really hang around with that person anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that can happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go through stages of evolution.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to get new interest, new hobbies, new focuses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to abandon some of your old focuses, some of your old interests, some of your old hobbies and some people are going to come along with you and some people won't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and that's the way it works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, you will eventually meet some new people with that have the same new interests that you have and are in this new hobby that you're into.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that might take a little bit of time, it won't happen immediately, but eventually meet a different
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[SPEAKER_01]: social circle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'd be totally different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There'll be some venn diagram.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, there'll be some people that you're still in DJJitsu and they're in DJJitsu, but they're also in the kayaking and you're into playing guitar.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so the venn diagram will still overlap in DJJitsu, but you know, they're not playing guitar with you and you're not going kayaking with them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And at some point your social circle might end up a little bit smaller, but it'll be a little bit tighter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: With a bunch of people that have some aligned interest because you're gonna also have some friends that are introduced to and in Qatar So that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It might tighten up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't think you have anything to You know be concerned about becoming isolated Because you're just gonna find some some new friends out there now That being said, I think it's very important to remember To keep an open mind because I can tell you what I have
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[SPEAKER_01]: all kinds of different friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got all kinds of different, I got friends at our hippies, I got friends at our metal heads, I got friends at our finance bros, I got you jits, you junkie friends, I got surf bum friends, I got musician friends, I got, I got friends at that smoke pot all day long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that do mushrooms, what's it called?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Micro dose mushrooms.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never even done any drugs in my whole life other than
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm definitely not micro dosing mushrooms all day, or doing other hallucinogenics on a regular basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can say, I got friends that are working construction all day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are in police law enforcement, obviously friends that are in the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are millionaires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are billionaires.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's all good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some of my friends have no, you know, to talk about, to talk with them about working out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wouldn't even, it wouldn't even be a, it would be an, mutually unintelligible discussion, like they wouldn't know what I was talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They would have no, I could talk about squads and they would not even, they would not know what that means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like if you start talking to someone about it, Uma Plata.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's people that have no idea what a Uma Plata is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's people that have no idea what a squad is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm friends with all those kind of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And those different people that are all different that have different interests, they bring different things to the table, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I appreciate that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And am I going to, here's the thing, you'll go into the question here, is am I going to argue with somebody that has been micro-dosing mushrooms for a decade?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to argue with them and try and change their mind about what they're doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to give you a hint, no, I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: am I going to argue with someone that loves playing music and hasn't, you know, has has kind of made kind of a partial career out of playing music, you know, maybe there are a music coach or a music instructor, but their band never quite made it and they're kind of getting, you know, am I going to try and convince them?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, what you should do is you should get into an insurance sales.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to do that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to talk?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I got friends that are crazy left wing, liberal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I got friends that are crazy right wing conservative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Am I going to try and bring them more to the center?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to hear their viewpoint, but it's going to be interesting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to learn from them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But this this question sounds got a little sprinkle of judgment in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You feel me?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, say little sprinkle of judgment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just a little sprinkle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This mindset of arguing with clothes, my very clothes-minded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're working out, wasting energy on people who don't want, of course, people don't want to learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nobody wants to learn, apparently you don't want to learn either, because you don't want to hear what they have to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, keep that in mind, don't be super judgmental with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can learn from anybody, and you know what, I enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: these different lives that people live, these different perspectives that they have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tell stories that are freaking crazy, like crazy, crazy stories that I enjoy listening to, that teach me about the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess what I'm saying is as you grow and as you evolve, don't become jaded and don't certainly don't get a superiority complex, which is very tempting because I would say,
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[SPEAKER_01]: when my kids were
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe like, let's say 15 years ago, maybe even 20 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had a little bit of the, you know, what is it, the food religion, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, can't believe you're eating sugar, you give me a, you know, you're, oh, you, I don't know if you want to let your kids eat that, I had that, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it took me a little, my wife was like, hey, you're not allowed to talk about food with my friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, oh, I'm an asshole.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You see what I'm saying because they don't they're like, bro, I'm trying my kids eating a freaking they're they're you know I got three kids They're they're whatever stabbing balloons with knives like things are crazy when you got three kids You know and I'm over here like really sure they want to eat those Doritos That's probably not the most you know what what nope no that's not that's not my world Leave them alone now look if someone's like a really close friend of mine and like hey man We you know can you talk to them about nutrition for their kids you can again danger
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[SPEAKER_01]: Danger, it's a real sensitive topic, especially when you talk about raising kids, because no one wants to, you know, your suggestions to make people mad, so be careful of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't become jaded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of, uh, let's see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you notice why is the top stop wasting energy on people who don't want to learn?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You shouldn't waste energy on people that don't want to learn.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that doesn't mean you should cast them out of your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should just not try and walk around trying to educate everybody.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because that's not fun for anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really not even fun for you apparently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and you say, is this just part of getting older or is it something I should actively push back against?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the thing you should push back against is just like, people are up-minded, chill, people aren't gonna be on board.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I only hung around with people that fought like me, I'd have zero friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd give it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have zero friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would have zero friends.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My social circle would be one, me and my dog, two.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because he's down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get singa like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's carnivore, he likes to run, he likes to get after it, he'll attack things, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: The world is filled with people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: None of them are exactly like you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't be frustrated by the differences that you have with other people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just enjoy, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy the differences that you have with other people instead of letting them frustrate you and you will have a much more enjoyable life And that's what I got it so right the especially that that two-way street kind of scenario where it's like oh, yeah Did it and what did you say people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get frustrated with people who don't seem to seem interested in learning or even discussing
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[SPEAKER_00]: like, but you don't want to learn about what I'm interested in and what I've been studying, like how dare you, you know, like I'm so superior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, and you brought up that, you know, as an example, whatever insurance, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, it's kind of like, if you're not into insurance,
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[SPEAKER_00]: someone like, hey, bro, there's some new developments in that insurance, you know, those guidelines and these these regulations, man, you should see this is this and that and you're like boring people with your insurance knowledge that you've been studying and you know, seeing on the news like all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then saying, like, what's wrong with you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is the future, literally the future and like, you're not entry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are you ignorant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, talk about insurance right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the freaking barbecue, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is, I mean, I'm just guessing my recently my industry has been going through major changes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I spent a lot of time studying what's coming because I want to understand and be prepared.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 90% chance this is some AI.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a 90% chance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I remember that it'd be some, you know, even in a single picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I'm super into some new radio that came out.
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[UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, not the radio meant they're still in a seal, but they're a frog, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need to know how to operate radio, they don't care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some new weapon site comes out and the snipers all fired up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, you guys want to, hey, I'm going to get the range for tonight.
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