March 9, 2026
Jocko Underground: What Would You Do If Someone Steals From You?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 204 sitting here with Equatorals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have some questions from you out in the field And we're going to provide answers Recommendations courses of action for you to help you on this little journey.
00:17.561 --> 00:18.462
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what we're doing
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in a random part of a maze, and you had four potential ways to go, then magically you had somebody tell you, of those four ways, here's three things, three ways you don't go.
00:35.156 --> 00:36.158
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the way you should go.
00:36.178 --> 00:39.623
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell you the whole maze, but you should go through this one.
00:41.594 --> 01:07.973
[SPEAKER_00]: corridor to start that would be helpful yeah it would be this kind of what you're doing I thought you were asking me a question no no no I'm not I'm just trying to metaphor anyway speaking of questions first question jocke what's a correct quote unquote correct thing to do in this situation my son had an e-but his mother my wife left it on the front porch one night at a condo we were renting near the beach and it got stolen
01:07.953 --> 01:13.801
[SPEAKER_00]: Since then, she'd been shopping around for replacement on offer up in other places.
01:14.262 --> 01:19.009
[SPEAKER_00]: She then came across an e-bike that we both believe is my son's, that was stolen.
01:19.550 --> 01:23.476
[SPEAKER_00]: The seller is not providing a charger and he's in the same area, it was stolen from.
01:23.956 --> 01:25.939
[SPEAKER_00]: My wife wants to go buy it back from this person.
01:26.320 --> 01:33.670
[SPEAKER_00]: The price is way lower than we got it for, so she sees it as sort of a, quote unquote, dumb mistake tax.
01:33.690 --> 01:35.513
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go kill the guy.
01:35.493 --> 01:44.068
[SPEAKER_00]: But I realize that's not the move besides we're not a hundred percent sure that it's the stolen bike What would you do in this situation?
01:44.875 --> 02:09.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand that when someone steals, we take a violation and it's very, it's possible to get quite emotional about that because it is, it's like a violation, you had it on your condo, like this is part of your, you know, your area of control and someone just went in there and took something for me that you worked hard to get, right?
02:09.546 --> 02:12.570
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, you can all have to up above that.
02:12.550 --> 02:17.101
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but here's the thing, detached perspective, look, we want to get the bike back.
02:17.302 --> 02:18.525
[SPEAKER_01]: We found we located the bike.
02:18.785 --> 02:19.267
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cheap.
02:19.447 --> 02:20.048
[SPEAKER_01]: There's it.
02:20.068 --> 02:22.735
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to end up paying some dumb, dumb tax, right?
02:23.337 --> 02:23.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
02:23.938 --> 02:28.028
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we also aren't sure.
02:28.008 --> 02:52.581
[SPEAKER_01]: if this is the guy that stole it right you know did he did someone else steal it and they joy wrote it for a while and then left it somewhere in this guy picked it up was like oh you know doesn't look like did he buy that offer you know someone else for cheap and now he used it for a little bit now he's selling it again or maybe he did steal it and if he did steal it this is like a real rookie move putting it right back on offer up like that's a rookie move this is
02:52.561 --> 03:01.337
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's kind of a suspect move to steal something from a local area and then put it immediately up because the cops, everyone's looking right there.
03:01.718 --> 03:04.643
[SPEAKER_01]: So, this is a rookie move, so that makes me question if it's actually got to stole it.
03:06.867 --> 03:14.542
[SPEAKER_01]: You could check with a police, you know, and by the checking with the police like to have a friend that's a cop off record, where you could say, like, hey man, what do you recommend we do right now?
03:14.582 --> 03:16.425
[SPEAKER_01]: I got this guy, here it is.
03:16.405 --> 03:32.963
[SPEAKER_01]: you could go to the guide to get hey we want to buy that bike cool go and get their information to the Venmo or whatever the zeal account like you're gonna get their number to transfer that cash once you have that cool maybe then you say I don't
03:34.343 --> 03:58.208
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, cool thanks to the bike and then maybe you reverse or don't send the transfer of money through or something like that and then show some pictures here's my son on this exact same bike where do you get it from we you know I think we need to call the police because I think you know what I'm saying so you could escalate it that way no look you could also get shot doing that you know what I'm saying so then you ask if it's something something you're bike back for a hundred bucks you're like
03:58.188 --> 04:14.577
[SPEAKER_01]: All that so all that's a possibility, but Even though it's a scenario where we want a justice and revenge the price of justice and revenge in this particular case It's probably not worth it
04:14.557 --> 04:32.678
[SPEAKER_01]: If you buy this bike back for 200 bucks, if you think about the amount of time and effort, you will take filling out a form with the police and the court system and going to small claims court or whatever criminal court to show press charges to get like all of this stuff.
04:32.698 --> 04:40.868
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is not to mention you get a shot, you get stabbed, you get hit in the head with a bike lock or something like all that stuff, just drama or it's like 200 bucks.
04:40.848 --> 04:43.773
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the amount of things I would pay $200 to just get out of.
04:45.135 --> 04:45.976
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
04:45.996 --> 04:51.185
[SPEAKER_01]: Just get it over with like, uh, when I was a member of the Triple A, you know, that is?
04:51.205 --> 04:52.447
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's your back in the day.
04:52.507 --> 04:56.293
[SPEAKER_01]: And they would process your DMV stuff for you.
04:56.313 --> 04:56.494
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:57.175 --> 04:57.275
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:57.295 --> 04:58.377
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's all digital now.
04:58.517 --> 05:03.565
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really, but I remember back in the day, you know, this was in the Navy, to I wouldn't have an excess of money.
05:04.006 --> 05:06.450
[SPEAKER_01]: But whenever that Triple A costs,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like $49 a year or something like that to have them go do the DMV stuff all day all day so you want you want you give me the choice between paying $200 and having to go to the police station fill out a court thing and look this guy deserves justice all that stuff he's going to get away with it it's going to encourage him like all that stuff
05:27.929 --> 05:29.932
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's not going to change his life.
05:30.513 --> 05:32.176
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not going to be like, you know what, I think you're right.
05:32.296 --> 05:33.598
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really a bad person when I did this.
05:33.618 --> 05:37.184
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're dirt by, they're a scumbag, and so they're not going to change.
05:38.246 --> 05:43.775
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't think it's, it's worth all that.
05:44.176 --> 05:46.900
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you were to say, man, just so you know, like,
05:46.880 --> 05:58.847
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is my bike, here's the 200 bucks, I know this is my bike, you're an idiot, and I have your Venmo information, I'm going to report you to the cops or anything like this happens again, I'll see you later.
05:58.979 --> 06:01.743
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you want to do something like that where you kind of mitigate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm just looking at the ROI on this thing.
06:06.589 --> 06:08.112
[SPEAKER_01]: The ROI is not solid.
06:08.152 --> 06:23.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, the emotional ROI of capturing this guy and getting him busted and having him go to small claims court and having you reimbursed like
06:22.992 --> 06:25.363
[SPEAKER_01]: it's hard for me to rationalize this.
06:25.403 --> 06:30.225
[SPEAKER_01]: When I look at it from a logical perspective, I'm just going to do whatever I can to get this over with.
06:30.687 --> 06:32.395
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes it.
06:33.421 --> 06:36.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you put it like that, it seems real clear.
06:36.847 --> 06:38.571
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like you just think, okay, what do I want?
06:38.651 --> 06:39.232
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I want?
06:39.512 --> 06:40.214
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll come to be.
06:41.115 --> 06:43.019
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is usually the question I would ask.
06:43.099 --> 06:47.908
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I want that, but then this one, it seems like, you know, I hear, I'm imagining like you're in the situation.
06:49.371 --> 06:52.116
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like your kids, by two, you know, yeah.
06:52.136 --> 06:53.438
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for Motherf...
06:53.418 --> 07:11.688
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, okay, okay, that's those are the facts, you know, like what do you want to outcome to be and then you got to kind of be realistic I mean what are you gonna do like freaking cowboy western style you gonna go freaking shoot Yeah, like you obviously we're not gonna do that and you know in your the elements of your fantasy world Probably aren't gonna come to fruition.
07:11.748 --> 07:16.776
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta understand that, you know, and then see, okay, and then just like how you're saying
07:18.089 --> 07:26.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, is it going to stab you or should you maybe maybe not, but the fact that you have to kind of take that into consideration by that that's a big cost right there.
07:27.417 --> 07:32.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when you compare it to the one hundred two hundred dollars whatever that is you seem seen so it's kind of like in a way.
07:33.817 --> 07:35.981
[SPEAKER_01]: What if you want $500 to buy the bike back?
07:36.763 --> 07:37.264
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
07:37.324 --> 07:38.727
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's mentioned the price.
07:39.007 --> 07:40.891
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you got to kind of mentioned that.
07:40.911 --> 07:47.263
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to start thinking, okay, if it's $500, now I might be like, okay, yeah, let me let me let me get your phone number.
07:47.844 --> 07:50.410
[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as he gives me the phone number, like, I'm actually not paying you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling the cops right now.
07:52.193 --> 07:53.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
07:53.274 --> 08:00.202
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess really though as far as like really being in the situation you got to find out if it's the the bike that's true.
08:00.302 --> 08:12.154
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but you look like if it's stolen if it's stolen and you say hey, listen Like this is my bike and here's the receipt when I bought it and the serial numbers on the receipt Yeah, you can have if there's some approval.
08:12.294 --> 08:17.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there should be some information, but I guess the main thing here Detached don't
08:18.738 --> 08:25.510
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
08:25.611 --> 08:27.178
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to continue to listen,
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00:00.031 --> 00:04.458
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 204 sitting here with Equatorals.
00:04.739 --> 00:16.879
[SPEAKER_01]: We have some questions from you out in the field And we're going to provide answers Recommendations courses of action for you to help you on this little journey.
00:17.561 --> 00:18.462
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what we're doing
00:18.712 --> 00:34.495
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in a random part of a maze, and you had four potential ways to go, then magically you had somebody tell you, of those four ways, here's three things, three ways you don't go.
00:35.156 --> 00:36.158
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is the way you should go.
00:36.178 --> 00:39.623
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't tell you the whole maze, but you should go through this one.
00:41.594 --> 01:07.973
[SPEAKER_00]: corridor to start that would be helpful yeah it would be this kind of what you're doing I thought you were asking me a question no no no I'm not I'm just trying to metaphor anyway speaking of questions first question jocke what's a correct quote unquote correct thing to do in this situation my son had an e-but his mother my wife left it on the front porch one night at a condo we were renting near the beach and it got stolen
01:07.953 --> 01:13.801
[SPEAKER_00]: Since then, she'd been shopping around for replacement on offer up in other places.
01:14.262 --> 01:19.009
[SPEAKER_00]: She then came across an e-bike that we both believe is my son's, that was stolen.
01:19.550 --> 01:23.476
[SPEAKER_00]: The seller is not providing a charger and he's in the same area, it was stolen from.
01:23.956 --> 01:25.939
[SPEAKER_00]: My wife wants to go buy it back from this person.
01:26.320 --> 01:33.670
[SPEAKER_00]: The price is way lower than we got it for, so she sees it as sort of a, quote unquote, dumb mistake tax.
01:33.690 --> 01:35.513
[SPEAKER_00]: I want to go kill the guy.
01:35.493 --> 01:44.068
[SPEAKER_00]: But I realize that's not the move besides we're not a hundred percent sure that it's the stolen bike What would you do in this situation?
01:44.875 --> 02:09.506
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand that when someone steals, we take a violation and it's very, it's possible to get quite emotional about that because it is, it's like a violation, you had it on your condo, like this is part of your, you know, your area of control and someone just went in there and took something for me that you worked hard to get, right?
02:09.546 --> 02:12.570
[SPEAKER_01]: So there you go, you can all have to up above that.
02:12.550 --> 02:17.101
[SPEAKER_01]: And, but here's the thing, detached perspective, look, we want to get the bike back.
02:17.302 --> 02:18.525
[SPEAKER_01]: We found we located the bike.
02:18.785 --> 02:19.267
[SPEAKER_01]: It's cheap.
02:19.447 --> 02:20.048
[SPEAKER_01]: There's it.
02:20.068 --> 02:22.735
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to end up paying some dumb, dumb tax, right?
02:23.337 --> 02:23.597
[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.
02:23.938 --> 02:28.028
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, we also aren't sure.
02:28.008 --> 02:52.581
[SPEAKER_01]: if this is the guy that stole it right you know did he did someone else steal it and they joy wrote it for a while and then left it somewhere in this guy picked it up was like oh you know doesn't look like did he buy that offer you know someone else for cheap and now he used it for a little bit now he's selling it again or maybe he did steal it and if he did steal it this is like a real rookie move putting it right back on offer up like that's a rookie move this is
02:52.561 --> 03:01.337
[SPEAKER_01]: So, it's kind of a suspect move to steal something from a local area and then put it immediately up because the cops, everyone's looking right there.
03:01.718 --> 03:04.643
[SPEAKER_01]: So, this is a rookie move, so that makes me question if it's actually got to stole it.
03:06.867 --> 03:14.542
[SPEAKER_01]: You could check with a police, you know, and by the checking with the police like to have a friend that's a cop off record, where you could say, like, hey man, what do you recommend we do right now?
03:14.582 --> 03:16.425
[SPEAKER_01]: I got this guy, here it is.
03:16.405 --> 03:32.963
[SPEAKER_01]: you could go to the guide to get hey we want to buy that bike cool go and get their information to the Venmo or whatever the zeal account like you're gonna get their number to transfer that cash once you have that cool maybe then you say I don't
03:34.343 --> 03:58.208
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, cool thanks to the bike and then maybe you reverse or don't send the transfer of money through or something like that and then show some pictures here's my son on this exact same bike where do you get it from we you know I think we need to call the police because I think you know what I'm saying so you could escalate it that way no look you could also get shot doing that you know what I'm saying so then you ask if it's something something you're bike back for a hundred bucks you're like
03:58.188 --> 04:14.577
[SPEAKER_01]: All that so all that's a possibility, but Even though it's a scenario where we want a justice and revenge the price of justice and revenge in this particular case It's probably not worth it
04:14.557 --> 04:32.678
[SPEAKER_01]: If you buy this bike back for 200 bucks, if you think about the amount of time and effort, you will take filling out a form with the police and the court system and going to small claims court or whatever criminal court to show press charges to get like all of this stuff.
04:32.698 --> 04:40.868
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, this is not to mention you get a shot, you get stabbed, you get hit in the head with a bike lock or something like all that stuff, just drama or it's like 200 bucks.
04:40.848 --> 04:43.773
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the amount of things I would pay $200 to just get out of.
04:45.135 --> 04:45.976
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
04:45.996 --> 04:51.185
[SPEAKER_01]: Just get it over with like, uh, when I was a member of the Triple A, you know, that is?
04:51.205 --> 04:52.447
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's your back in the day.
04:52.507 --> 04:56.293
[SPEAKER_01]: And they would process your DMV stuff for you.
04:56.313 --> 04:56.494
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
04:57.175 --> 04:57.275
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
04:57.295 --> 04:58.377
[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's all digital now.
04:58.517 --> 05:03.565
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't really, but I remember back in the day, you know, this was in the Navy, to I wouldn't have an excess of money.
05:04.006 --> 05:06.450
[SPEAKER_01]: But whenever that Triple A costs,
05:06.599 --> 05:27.949
[SPEAKER_01]: like $49 a year or something like that to have them go do the DMV stuff all day all day so you want you want you give me the choice between paying $200 and having to go to the police station fill out a court thing and look this guy deserves justice all that stuff he's going to get away with it it's going to encourage him like all that stuff
05:27.929 --> 05:29.932
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, no, it's not going to change his life.
05:30.513 --> 05:32.176
[SPEAKER_01]: This is not going to be like, you know what, I think you're right.
05:32.296 --> 05:33.598
[SPEAKER_01]: I was really a bad person when I did this.
05:33.618 --> 05:37.184
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they're dirt by, they're a scumbag, and so they're not going to change.
05:38.246 --> 05:43.775
[SPEAKER_01]: So I just don't think it's, it's worth all that.
05:44.176 --> 05:46.900
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, if you were to say, man, just so you know, like,
05:46.880 --> 05:58.847
[SPEAKER_01]: I know this is my bike, here's the 200 bucks, I know this is my bike, you're an idiot, and I have your Venmo information, I'm going to report you to the cops or anything like this happens again, I'll see you later.
05:58.979 --> 06:01.743
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you want to do something like that where you kind of mitigate.
06:02.223 --> 06:02.604
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
06:03.545 --> 06:06.349
[SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I'm just looking at the ROI on this thing.
06:06.589 --> 06:08.112
[SPEAKER_01]: The ROI is not solid.
06:08.152 --> 06:23.012
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, the emotional ROI of capturing this guy and getting him busted and having him go to small claims court and having you reimbursed like
06:22.992 --> 06:25.363
[SPEAKER_01]: it's hard for me to rationalize this.
06:25.403 --> 06:30.225
[SPEAKER_01]: When I look at it from a logical perspective, I'm just going to do whatever I can to get this over with.
06:30.687 --> 06:32.395
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that makes it.
06:33.421 --> 06:36.807
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when you put it like that, it seems real clear.
06:36.847 --> 06:38.571
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like you just think, okay, what do I want?
06:38.651 --> 06:39.232
[SPEAKER_00]: What do I want?
06:39.512 --> 06:40.214
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll come to be.
06:41.115 --> 06:43.019
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is usually the question I would ask.
06:43.099 --> 06:47.908
[SPEAKER_00]: But what I want that, but then this one, it seems like, you know, I hear, I'm imagining like you're in the situation.
06:49.371 --> 06:52.116
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like your kids, by two, you know, yeah.
06:52.136 --> 06:53.438
[SPEAKER_00]: This is for Motherf...
06:53.418 --> 07:11.688
[SPEAKER_00]: But it's like, okay, okay, that's those are the facts, you know, like what do you want to outcome to be and then you got to kind of be realistic I mean what are you gonna do like freaking cowboy western style you gonna go freaking shoot Yeah, like you obviously we're not gonna do that and you know in your the elements of your fantasy world Probably aren't gonna come to fruition.
07:11.748 --> 07:16.776
[SPEAKER_00]: You gotta understand that, you know, and then see, okay, and then just like how you're saying
07:18.089 --> 07:26.775
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, is it going to stab you or should you maybe maybe not, but the fact that you have to kind of take that into consideration by that that's a big cost right there.
07:27.417 --> 07:32.352
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially when you compare it to the one hundred two hundred dollars whatever that is you seem seen so it's kind of like in a way.
07:33.817 --> 07:35.981
[SPEAKER_01]: What if you want $500 to buy the bike back?
07:36.763 --> 07:37.264
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
07:37.324 --> 07:38.727
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he's mentioned the price.
07:39.007 --> 07:40.891
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you got to kind of mentioned that.
07:40.911 --> 07:47.263
[SPEAKER_01]: So you got to start thinking, okay, if it's $500, now I might be like, okay, yeah, let me let me let me get your phone number.
07:47.844 --> 07:50.410
[SPEAKER_01]: And as soon as he gives me the phone number, like, I'm actually not paying you.
07:50.991 --> 07:52.213
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm calling the cops right now.
07:52.193 --> 07:53.254
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you know what I mean?
07:53.274 --> 08:00.202
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess really though as far as like really being in the situation you got to find out if it's the the bike that's true.
08:00.302 --> 08:12.154
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, but you look like if it's stolen if it's stolen and you say hey, listen Like this is my bike and here's the receipt when I bought it and the serial numbers on the receipt Yeah, you can have if there's some approval.
08:12.294 --> 08:17.560
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there should be some information, but I guess the main thing here Detached don't
08:18.738 --> 08:25.510
[SPEAKER_01]: So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
08:25.611 --> 08:27.178
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to continue to listen,
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us, and to do that, we are building a website right now where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
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