July 6, 2026
Jocko Underground: What to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast, number 220, sitting here with echo channels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have questions from the front lines, from where the rubber meets the road, from the troopers in the field right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are going to give you some answers, some recommendations, and then a minimum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some courses of action for you to take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if any of these scenarios applies to you, in principle, not in detail, but in principle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it might help you out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, first question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that, Jocco Echo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everything you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In general, I'd say I got my life figured out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 39, six foot, 200 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not do jujitsu, but I work out five days a week focusing on strength and cardio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My core routine is based around polyps, dips, kettlebells, bike, run, and row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Train for 45 to 90 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually starting at 4.45am, I also stretch every night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been married for 16 years and have 5 kids, 18, 13, 8, 6 and 3.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kids are progressing well in school, soccer, and baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a job I wanted, I have the job I wanted, a house, cars, and generally I feel like I have it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, somehow it doesn't feel like enough or satisfying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's rather conflicting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling the inklings of burnout and at the same time, the desire to do more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I need to keep grinding for the family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the new product development world engineering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have considered becoming a game warden, but the salary transition would put my family in unnecessary stress and no guaranteed that will scratch the satisfaction itch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't take my comments as being unhappy with family, they are what keeps me going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to mention that I served in the Marines with one pump tire rack as a logistical combo security 50 gunner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even with all the accomplishments and accolades, do you ever feel that it's not enough?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this jujitsu really the answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lending questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, thanks to your service devil dog, Semper Fi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being a convoys security machine gunner, 50 cow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Iraq was a freaking dangerous job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for what you did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, it's a good start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely fun and gauge your body in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get to compete aggressively against other humans, which I think sometimes is a animal instinct that we have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we want to, we are driven to compete against other humans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, we wouldn't be here if our ancestors didn't crush the other tribes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But our ancestors, they made it happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's got to be some instinct that we have, that we want to fight against aggressively against other humans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that feels good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels good even when you lose, because you know that you're figuring stuff out, you're getting better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you win, you feel good, when you lose, you know you need to do more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jiu Jitsu requires, you know, focus, it requires, it requires creativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's even a creative spark that gets to ignite in Jiu Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it requires discipline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's gratifying in each of those little categories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jiu Jitsu definitely used to start trying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that being said, Jiu Jitsu doesn't scratch every edge for every category for every person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are other arenas of achievement that people sometimes want to gratify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I think these are intrinsic feelings that people have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Service in sacrifice, like some people feel like they need to serve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like they need to sacrifice some people they're chasing money, some people they're chasing fame, some people they're chasing positions, some people they're chasing rank, some people are chasing different fancy cars
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[SPEAKER_00]: right and these are all things that you know you're not going to get you get you may not satisfy those you just might might be like, oh, I don't really don't care about you know money anymore because I get to train I enjoy you know might satisfy your fame like, oh, I don't know any famous, I like, you know, it's so kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you have those holes and they're not filled that are outside of the realm of your jitsu, then it is possible that you might not be enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think you need to figure out what it is you're missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to figure out, you know, when you say it's not enough, when you figure out what the enough is, what is it that you need?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it making service and sacrifice?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it money?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it fame?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it position?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it rank?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be for you service because you run the Marine Corps and you you indicated that you want to become a game warden which is sort of like service and sacrifice because you're putting on a uniform and you're out there doing in the field and so that could be a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're missing the ability to serve in that capacity of their people and make sacrifices for other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we'll tell you that there's plenty of options that you could fulfill that desire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: join in the army reserves, which, listen, there's plenty of people that are ignoring or that join the army reserves, not that big of a deal, volunteer firefighter, volunteer police officer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's a bunch of things that you could do as side projects and still maintain your job in product development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least they wouldn't interfere much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, if you join the army reserves, you're going to have some downtime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to go on, what do they call those things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: exercises and whatnot, drill weekends with the reserves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a volunteer firefighter, they might cut into your job a little bit, but it's not going to be a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that would be a good place to start because if you have that desire to serve, those things should
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you figure out that you're missing something else like the other thing that you're missing is something else Maybe it's money or car or title or position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like you're satisfied with those things But figure out what that thing is You know like figure out what it is what what is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it that you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What title do you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What position do you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What card do you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Figure out and then come come up with a plan to get that thing and go execute on That's not that big of a deal You know you really want the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super nice car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want a super car get one of those new Corvettes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 120 grand They're freaking bad ass You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get one you can you can you have a house You can figure out how to get a one of those cars now you say the chore to have what you want You have the job you want it the house you want it the cars you want it you feel like you're there But if there's something that you're missing figure out what it is Now all that being said
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my, probably my strongest answer for you and the most critical piece of this answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is bro, you got five kids, healthy kids on the suit me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got a solid job, your healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a house, you have cars, you have a wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty much what everybody wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying you might not want more, but dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me of a story I've told before, which is being out surfing with my buddy Seth Stone, my brother Seth Stone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's getting all philosophical and crazy out there in the water with me and he's going crazy and talking all this emotional stuff and he goes Dude, and we're out there surfing it's it's like a it's like a afternoon Occasionally in San Diego when the sun's going down and there's there's no wind
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the waves, they kind of glow when you're riding the waves, they glow from the back just amazing color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it contrasts with the sky and it's just one of those days, there's no wind, we're just out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for whatever reason, there's not, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there
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[SPEAKER_00]: M-F-R is out there and he goes, bro, you know how, I don't know how I'm ever gonna find happiness and I'm like, dude, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is what it's all about, what we're doing right now, this is it, and you're old, so happiness was sitting right, he was in happiness, bathed in happiness, surrounded in happiness and he couldn't see it right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an indication to me that we can all be in a position where we're surrounded by happiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's everywhere around us, but we don't recognize it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of feel like you might be in that zone, brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So look around, breathe it in, relish what you have and make the best of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and start training Jiu-Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first, at first, the Jiu-Jitsu thing seemed kind of like a funny thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, you know, how can you just start taking Jiu-Jitsu and then all of a sudden life has meaning?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, I'm exaggerating, you know, being dramatic about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's kind of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the, that was what I was asking myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I found myself in little mental rut, so whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: I go train jiu-jitsu and magically life does have meaning and then I've had the same thing with just working out, like I do a hard work on it, like oh my gosh life has meaning again kind of a thing and I've just did a workout which have been literally doing for decades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's not necessarily the jiu-jitsu or the working out or whatever, it's more like something internal that you maybe feel like and I'm talking about myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're I don't have like chronic bouts of this or nothing like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying at the small thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get this small I feel like I got so used to like the routine of what what you do you know and that's how you can miss like probably you're sitting in it You're sitting in the I probably remember You know when I was working at the bar that night clubs or whatever or even even in college or whatever
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember thinking like, oh man, wouldn't it be cool to, you know, have XYZ and have this picture in my mind of like, wouldn't it be cool to end up being doing this and doing, you know, the other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I flash back to what I was thinking, I have literally 100% of the things that I would put on go dream about and more, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no exception and I have the audacity to have those thoughts so it's like it must be something internal like okay that isn't like I don't know isn't stimulating clicking you know and it's probably just a small thing but since it's internal it's affecting everything you know and that's what it felt like so when when I worked out or went to jiu-jitsu or didn't you know did something I don't know if it's because it's hard I don't know because it's in Dorf it I don't know whatever it is
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[SPEAKER_01]: it kind of satisfies that one little thing that happened to be affecting every all the good stuff in my life, in front of my face, you know, but just for that moment, it's like it's not as shiny anymore or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that internal thing they get satisfied just basically re, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: brings back the luster in I don't know your day everyday life I guess I don't know it's it was kind of like that feeling so I'm thin so I'm thinking you just do very well could be the answer 100% like could be I'm not saying it is but could be yeah um and at the same time um kind of what I said before where we get used to everything like the luster loot gets more and off you get a brand new car you're excited and then after all it's just a car
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, or you, you know, even I'm sure even if you do some kind of a body transformation, you're like, oh my gosh, I'm so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even that wears off, you get used to the feeling of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you can have a perfect, like I believe that you can have a clinical perfect life by your own standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even that luster can wear off and maybe seem like, oh, I feel like there's more or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But more so than there's more, you're just not seeing and feeling your full bucket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now you're over here wanting a bigger bucket me know all your bucket is full.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you look around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, it's a bucket full.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know kind of a thing So I can't quite complaining that the gold is heavy like you know, I mean not quite complaining the gold is heavy, but not appreciating the fact that you So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco underground podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast, number 220, sitting here with echo channels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have questions from the front lines, from where the rubber meets the road, from the troopers in the field right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are going to give you some answers, some recommendations, and then a minimum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some courses of action for you to take.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if any of these scenarios applies to you, in principle, not in detail, but in principle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it might help you out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, first question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for that, Jocco Echo.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for everything you do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In general, I'd say I got my life figured out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 39, six foot, 200 pounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not do jujitsu, but I work out five days a week focusing on strength and cardio.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My core routine is based around polyps, dips, kettlebells, bike, run, and row.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Train for 45 to 90 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually starting at 4.45am, I also stretch every night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been married for 16 years and have 5 kids, 18, 13, 8, 6 and 3.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kids are progressing well in school, soccer, and baseball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a job I wanted, I have the job I wanted, a house, cars, and generally I feel like I have it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, somehow it doesn't feel like enough or satisfying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's rather conflicting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm feeling the inklings of burnout and at the same time, the desire to do more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously, I need to keep grinding for the family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in the new product development world engineering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have considered becoming a game warden, but the salary transition would put my family in unnecessary stress and no guaranteed that will scratch the satisfaction itch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Please don't take my comments as being unhappy with family, they are what keeps me going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also want to mention that I served in the Marines with one pump tire rack as a logistical combo security 50 gunner.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even with all the accomplishments and accolades, do you ever feel that it's not enough?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this jujitsu really the answer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lending questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First of all, thanks to your service devil dog, Semper Fi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Being a convoys security machine gunner, 50 cow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Iraq was a freaking dangerous job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thank you for what you did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, it's a good start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely fun and gauge your body in mind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You get to compete aggressively against other humans, which I think sometimes is a animal instinct that we have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like we want to, we are driven to compete against other humans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, we wouldn't be here if our ancestors didn't crush the other tribes, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't be here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We wouldn't made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But our ancestors, they made it happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's got to be some instinct that we have, that we want to fight against aggressively against other humans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that feels good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it feels good even when you lose, because you know that you're figuring stuff out, you're getting better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you win, you feel good, when you lose, you know you need to do more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jiu Jitsu requires, you know, focus, it requires, it requires creativity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's even a creative spark that gets to ignite in Jiu Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it requires discipline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's gratifying in each of those little categories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jiu Jitsu definitely used to start trying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that being said, Jiu Jitsu doesn't scratch every edge for every category for every person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are other arenas of achievement that people sometimes want to gratify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I think these are intrinsic feelings that people have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Service in sacrifice, like some people feel like they need to serve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They feel like they need to sacrifice some people they're chasing money, some people they're chasing fame, some people they're chasing positions, some people they're chasing rank, some people are chasing different fancy cars
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[SPEAKER_00]: right and these are all things that you know you're not going to get you get you may not satisfy those you just might might be like, oh, I don't really don't care about you know money anymore because I get to train I enjoy you know might satisfy your fame like, oh, I don't know any famous, I like, you know, it's so kid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you have those holes and they're not filled that are outside of the realm of your jitsu, then it is possible that you might not be enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think you need to figure out what it is you're missing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need to figure out, you know, when you say it's not enough, when you figure out what the enough is, what is it that you need?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it making service and sacrifice?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it money?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it fame?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it position?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it rank?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be for you service because you run the Marine Corps and you you indicated that you want to become a game warden which is sort of like service and sacrifice because you're putting on a uniform and you're out there doing in the field and so that could be a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're missing the ability to serve in that capacity of their people and make sacrifices for other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, we'll tell you that there's plenty of options that you could fulfill that desire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: join in the army reserves, which, listen, there's plenty of people that are ignoring or that join the army reserves, not that big of a deal, volunteer firefighter, volunteer police officer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's a bunch of things that you could do as side projects and still maintain your job in product development.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, at least they wouldn't interfere much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Look, if you join the army reserves, you're going to have some downtime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd have to go on, what do they call those things?
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[SPEAKER_00]: exercises and whatnot, drill weekends with the reserves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're a volunteer firefighter, they might cut into your job a little bit, but it's not going to be a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that would be a good place to start because if you have that desire to serve, those things should
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you figure out that you're missing something else like the other thing that you're missing is something else Maybe it's money or car or title or position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It sounds like you're satisfied with those things But figure out what that thing is You know like figure out what it is what what is it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What is it that you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What title do you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What position do you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What card do you want?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Figure out and then come come up with a plan to get that thing and go execute on That's not that big of a deal You know you really want the
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[SPEAKER_00]: Super nice car.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want a super car get one of those new Corvettes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 120 grand They're freaking bad ass You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can get one you can you can you have a house You can figure out how to get a one of those cars now you say the chore to have what you want You have the job you want it the house you want it the cars you want it you feel like you're there But if there's something that you're missing figure out what it is Now all that being said
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's my, probably my strongest answer for you and the most critical piece of this answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is bro, you got five kids, healthy kids on the suit me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got a solid job, your healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a house, you have cars, you have a wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty much what everybody wants.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying you might not want more, but dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It reminds me of a story I've told before, which is being out surfing with my buddy Seth Stone, my brother Seth Stone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's getting all philosophical and crazy out there in the water with me and he's going crazy and talking all this emotional stuff and he goes Dude, and we're out there surfing it's it's like a it's like a afternoon Occasionally in San Diego when the sun's going down and there's there's no wind
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the waves, they kind of glow when you're riding the waves, they glow from the back just amazing color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it contrasts with the sky and it's just one of those days, there's no wind, we're just out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And for whatever reason, there's not, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there's no one out there, there
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[SPEAKER_00]: M-F-R is out there and he goes, bro, you know how, I don't know how I'm ever gonna find happiness and I'm like, dude, this is it, this is it, this is it, this is what it's all about, what we're doing right now, this is it, and you're old, so happiness was sitting right, he was in happiness, bathed in happiness, surrounded in happiness and he couldn't see it right there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an indication to me that we can all be in a position where we're surrounded by happiness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's everywhere around us, but we don't recognize it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of feel like you might be in that zone, brother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So look around, breathe it in, relish what you have and make the best of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and start training Jiu-Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, first, at first, the Jiu-Jitsu thing seemed kind of like a funny thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like, you know, how can you just start taking Jiu-Jitsu and then all of a sudden life has meaning?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or, you know, I'm exaggerating, you know, being dramatic about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But let's kind of it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That was the, that was what I was asking myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I found myself in little mental rut, so whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: I go train jiu-jitsu and magically life does have meaning and then I've had the same thing with just working out, like I do a hard work on it, like oh my gosh life has meaning again kind of a thing and I've just did a workout which have been literally doing for decades.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so it's not necessarily the jiu-jitsu or the working out or whatever, it's more like something internal that you maybe feel like and I'm talking about myself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're I don't have like chronic bouts of this or nothing like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying at the small thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get this small I feel like I got so used to like the routine of what what you do you know and that's how you can miss like probably you're sitting in it You're sitting in the I probably remember You know when I was working at the bar that night clubs or whatever or even even in college or whatever
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember thinking like, oh man, wouldn't it be cool to, you know, have XYZ and have this picture in my mind of like, wouldn't it be cool to end up being doing this and doing, you know, the other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if I flash back to what I was thinking, I have literally 100% of the things that I would put on go dream about and more, 100%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: no exception and I have the audacity to have those thoughts so it's like it must be something internal like okay that isn't like I don't know isn't stimulating clicking you know and it's probably just a small thing but since it's internal it's affecting everything you know and that's what it felt like so when when I worked out or went to jiu-jitsu or didn't you know did something I don't know if it's because it's hard I don't know because it's in Dorf it I don't know whatever it is
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[SPEAKER_01]: it kind of satisfies that one little thing that happened to be affecting every all the good stuff in my life, in front of my face, you know, but just for that moment, it's like it's not as shiny anymore or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that internal thing they get satisfied just basically re, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: brings back the luster in I don't know your day everyday life I guess I don't know it's it was kind of like that feeling so I'm thin so I'm thinking you just do very well could be the answer 100% like could be I'm not saying it is but could be yeah um and at the same time um kind of what I said before where we get used to everything like the luster loot gets more and off you get a brand new car you're excited and then after all it's just a car
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[SPEAKER_01]: you know, or you, you know, even I'm sure even if you do some kind of a body transformation, you're like, oh my gosh, I'm so good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even that wears off, you get used to the feeling of it, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, you can have a perfect, like I believe that you can have a clinical perfect life by your own standard.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And even that luster can wear off and maybe seem like, oh, I feel like there's more or whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But more so than there's more, you're just not seeing and feeling your full bucket.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right now you're over here wanting a bigger bucket me know all your bucket is full.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you look around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no, it's a bucket full.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know kind of a thing So I can't quite complaining that the gold is heavy like you know, I mean not quite complaining the gold is heavy, but not appreciating the fact that you So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco underground podcast.
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