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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel underground podcast number 188 sitting here with echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got some questions from the troopers you and we're gonna provide guidance answers Of action To what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Press sometimes life is a maze sometimes Could be true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They feel like a maze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be like a maze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll crack like a maze It's amazing
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sometimes, you know, all you need is one guy to be like, hey, I know this, where you are right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take a ladder before straight and then second door on the right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're kind of doing the clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying to take that next step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we're doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, first question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: love a podcast and grateful for all the advice every week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been training at a certified Gracie University due to school for almost a year now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love our instructors, fellow students, and I'm excited to be a part of the system that Henry here on Gracie created.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, a new student now attends along with a friend who films him for a documentary on how he's improving his life after prison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Being curious and also because I work in law enforcement, I looked into
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[SPEAKER_01]: far because he has an episode on Netflix called I am a killer.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He shot his then, so this is what the episode is about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He shot his then girlfriend in the face.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then after hearing police sirens left their baby went to his side pieces house, side girlfriend's house, and according to her, had sex with her that night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fast forward to now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was released from prison three years early from an involuntary manslaughter and felonious assault sentence essentially because he wrote to and won over his daughter and old friend who is now his wife that he married while still in prison who's a Christian minister.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he's now attending my Gracie Combatist class, which I'm not cool with training with him at all, but again, I love the program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gracie University doesn't do student background checks in sex offender registration only, so he's in the clear to continue training due to it's a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm of course leaning towards leaving and I'm currently signed up for a couple of trial classes at other jujutsu schools in area, but I thought I'd ask you for advice, especially because this sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leaving the graces awesome graces in university system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys, appreciate any advice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting scenario to be put into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little test where you're at, you know, I mean in terms of, do we believe in forgiveness?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we believe in second chances?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I talk about forgiveness a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there some things that cannot be forgiven?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of think there are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm not enlightened enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know there's certain things that could happen in my world that there would be no forgiveness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There would only be vengeance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I guess we also have to ask, is there such a thing as true rehabilitation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can a person truly be rehabilitated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you be rehabilitated from being a drug addict?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone that used to be addicted to drugs and now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone that used to be a thief and now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that used to be a criminal, now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that used to be a murderer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These things have happened sexual predators a little different, though, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a little different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some wiring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot less what's the term.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a lot less just survival instinct of like, oh, I, you know, I need to make money, or I get addicted to this thing, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, being a predator seems like you have a wire that's crossed somewhere Well, like a compulsion a compulsion kind of urged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like get a handle like kind of with right So we're kind of asking ourselves that these questions, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then here's the, here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are some, those are some kind of like philosophical questions we got to ask, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can people change, do we forgive them or not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, like, this dude got out of jail after he manslaughter killed the girl like that seems to be the kind of thing that's not very easily forgiven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's look at it from a more pragmatic thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, does the Gigi to school know about this individual's background, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell them what the background is if the instructor doesn't know like the instructor might not know Oh, yeah guys you should be in prison now is here and they never figured out quite what he's in prison for
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, are you an environment where you could inform them without, you know, kind of just causing a bunch of drama and problems were now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you tried, are you ratted me out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm getting, like, you see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some drama that's not worth it, yeah, yeah, can you just stay there and keep an eye on the guy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, maybe you past judgment after a year, you're like, oh, no, this guy's still a dirt bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, this guy was a drug addict at the time, and he was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: went to prison and he cleaned himself up and here's where he's at now and okay I kind of you know what I mean like maybe you could maybe he could earn your forgiveness or maybe he could not so there's that or do you just leave because there's a lot of drama but I don't like drama you like drama I could not tell you you and I don't like a lot of drama we don't like drama so
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of one of those things, um, so if there's going to be drama and you're, you know, maybe raising this information to the instructor, out of the instructors like, well, I'm kicking him out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because Fred told me that you were, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but at the same time, the guy might be like, what do you talk about this guy killed this guy murdered someone?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's in my school, I'm not teaching this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be like, yeah, thanks for telling me, get him out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That could happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to judge, you got to figure that out what your relationship with the instructor like, what's the instructor like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instructors are not saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Juditude does not turn you into a highly moral and ethical person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's jujitsu instructors that have murdered people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's jujitsu instructors, black belts, that have raped women and taken advantage of kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like being into jujitsu is no sort of moral cleansing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, it could be a person that has great values and is like, oh yeah, we're not gonna train this person here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think those are some things that you gotta think about and what they would cause to occur inside the academy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's going to be a bunch of drama and chaos, then it's probably like, maybe it's better just to leave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're going to leave, that's pretty straightforward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, go try these other schools and see what they like and, you know, go start training there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty straightforward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems like a the simplest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say easy, but I think it's actually, because I don't want you get the add deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, that's the easy way out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the easiest way out, but it also might be the simplest and least drama.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you go through life absorbing the drama that's all around you and everyone that got drama you jump in that drama as well Like the life gets life gets nasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't like drama So I would consider those things and I think what it really really boils down to is you and your comfortable your comfort level your either If you're comfortable training there If you are like I said you can talk to the owners and see what their take is maybe they'll kick them out of school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they won't
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't think you can talk to the owners, and you're just truly not comfortable staying there, then you go to another try of the skulls and leaf, and it's as simple as that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to do what you think is right in the situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you might have a little bit of, um, it sounds like you have a little bit of loyalty with the Gracie University BJJ, and that's cool, but you know, I think it's fair to, you know, you want to be loyal to the people that are putting time and effort into you, but at the same time, they got to have some loyalty as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and if they know about this guy being a dirt bag and they know you're uncomfortable with it and you know what it's he's paying just like you are everyone's allowed to be you know what I'm saying so you gotta you gotta you gotta use a little judgment here you gotta use your judgment with the facts that are on the ground and with the nuances of the situation on the ground but for me
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like you're most concerned and you literally say it sucks because leaving the Gracie's awesome Gracie University system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Gracie's have a great teaching protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So does Eddie Bravo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So does Marcelo Garcia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So does John Donner, her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go right down the list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there are incredible due to two places all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's your major hang up, but wouldn't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think I call Charles?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The I do feel like the most important part is to I would have just start casting judgment right away, because you know, with all over indications,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in play, I feel like it's kind of like he's kind of on the right path, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did a doctor entry exposing everything he did, and then, you know, he's doing a thing life after prison, basically how I got my life together, you know, that's like, that's a good thing to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if it's genuine now, if he's like hanging around and then at over time, if he gives it a chance, be like, all right, maybe this guy's on the path, I get it, you know, like the path is, or that his past is checkered, but he's on the right path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then give it time and then he turns out to be, you know, as a tamper and he's kind of a toxic person like you know, and you know Then yeah, okay, leave or take other actions or whatever you want to take or whatever based on that But I do think sometimes and I'm being exposed to it more and more with the internet where it's like yeah, people have a bad path and then
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, hey, I'm going to kind of tell my story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So other people can avoid certain pitfalls in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they don't have much guidance and then I'm going to go on the right path and try to inspire people to be like, hey, you can't get your life back together rather than, you know, I'm just going to stick with this bad kind of method of living.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because that's a real thing too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're doing that and you're like, ask me that guy, you know, and don't, you know, and you kind of jam it up for yourself going, you know, leaving a thing that you already like, you know, this stuff, and you didn't have to, then I think that would be the bad move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think just give it time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can kind of assess as you go on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One might call it iterative decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make it very guilty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco underground podcast, so if you want to continue to listen
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel underground podcast number 188 sitting here with echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got some questions from the troopers you and we're gonna provide guidance answers Of action To what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Press sometimes life is a maze sometimes Could be true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They feel like a maze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be like a maze.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll crack like a maze It's amazing
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, sometimes, you know, all you need is one guy to be like, hey, I know this, where you are right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take a ladder before straight and then second door on the right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're kind of doing the clear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're ready.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're saying to take that next step.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's all we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what we're doing?
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, first question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: love a podcast and grateful for all the advice every week.
00:43.166 --> 00:48.592
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been training at a certified Gracie University due to school for almost a year now.
00:48.932 --> 00:55.018
[SPEAKER_01]: I love our instructors, fellow students, and I'm excited to be a part of the system that Henry here on Gracie created.
00:55.318 --> 01:03.747
[SPEAKER_01]: However, a new student now attends along with a friend who films him for a documentary on how he's improving his life after prison.
01:04.427 --> 01:09.272
[SPEAKER_01]: Being curious and also because I work in law enforcement, I looked into
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[SPEAKER_01]: far because he has an episode on Netflix called I am a killer.
01:15.961 --> 01:19.445
[SPEAKER_01]: He shot his then, so this is what the episode is about.
01:19.505 --> 01:21.508
[SPEAKER_01]: He shot his then girlfriend in the face.
01:22.309 --> 01:32.022
[SPEAKER_01]: Then after hearing police sirens left their baby went to his side pieces house, side girlfriend's house, and according to her, had sex with her that night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fast forward to now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He was released from prison three years early from an involuntary manslaughter and felonious assault sentence essentially because he wrote to and won over his daughter and old friend who is now his wife that he married while still in prison who's a Christian minister.
01:52.655 --> 01:59.368
[SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, he's now attending my Gracie Combatist class, which I'm not cool with training with him at all, but again, I love the program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gracie University doesn't do student background checks in sex offender registration only, so he's in the clear to continue training due to it's a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm of course leaning towards leaving and I'm currently signed up for a couple of trial classes at other jujutsu schools in area, but I thought I'd ask you for advice, especially because this sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Leaving the graces awesome graces in university system.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you guys, appreciate any advice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's an interesting scenario to be put into.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a little test where you're at, you know, I mean in terms of, do we believe in forgiveness?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do we believe in second chances?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I talk about forgiveness a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there some things that cannot be forgiven?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of think there are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm not enlightened enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I know there's certain things that could happen in my world that there would be no forgiveness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There would only be vengeance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I guess we also have to ask, is there such a thing as true rehabilitation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can a person truly be rehabilitated?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can you be rehabilitated from being a drug addict?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've seen that before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone that used to be addicted to drugs and now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone that used to be a thief and now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that used to be a criminal, now they're not anymore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of that used to be a murderer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now they're not anymore.
03:27.528 --> 03:35.581
[SPEAKER_00]: These things have happened sexual predators a little different, though, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a little different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some wiring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot less what's the term.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a lot less just survival instinct of like, oh, I, you know, I need to make money, or I get addicted to this thing, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, being a predator seems like you have a wire that's crossed somewhere Well, like a compulsion a compulsion kind of urged.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like get a handle like kind of with right So we're kind of asking ourselves that these questions, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then here's the, here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So those are some, those are some kind of like philosophical questions we got to ask, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can people change, do we forgive them or not?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, like, this dude got out of jail after he manslaughter killed the girl like that seems to be the kind of thing that's not very easily forgiven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's look at it from a more pragmatic thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, does the Gigi to school know about this individual's background, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tell them what the background is if the instructor doesn't know like the instructor might not know Oh, yeah guys you should be in prison now is here and they never figured out quite what he's in prison for
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, are you an environment where you could inform them without, you know, kind of just causing a bunch of drama and problems were now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you tried, are you ratted me out?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm getting, like, you see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's some drama that's not worth it, yeah, yeah, can you just stay there and keep an eye on the guy?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, maybe you past judgment after a year, you're like, oh, no, this guy's still a dirt bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or you know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man, this guy was a drug addict at the time, and he was crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: went to prison and he cleaned himself up and here's where he's at now and okay I kind of you know what I mean like maybe you could maybe he could earn your forgiveness or maybe he could not so there's that or do you just leave because there's a lot of drama but I don't like drama you like drama I could not tell you you and I don't like a lot of drama we don't like drama so
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's kind of one of those things, um, so if there's going to be drama and you're, you know, maybe raising this information to the instructor, out of the instructors like, well, I'm kicking him out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because Fred told me that you were, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, but at the same time, the guy might be like, what do you talk about this guy killed this guy murdered someone?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's in my school, I'm not teaching this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might be like, yeah, thanks for telling me, get him out of here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That could happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you got to judge, you got to figure that out what your relationship with the instructor like, what's the instructor like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instructors are not saints.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Juditude does not turn you into a highly moral and ethical person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's jujitsu instructors that have murdered people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's jujitsu instructors, black belts, that have raped women and taken advantage of kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like being into jujitsu is no sort of moral cleansing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then again, it could be a person that has great values and is like, oh yeah, we're not gonna train this person here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think those are some things that you gotta think about and what they would cause to occur inside the academy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if it's going to be a bunch of drama and chaos, then it's probably like, maybe it's better just to leave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you're going to leave, that's pretty straightforward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, go try these other schools and see what they like and, you know, go start training there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's pretty straightforward.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seems like a the simplest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say easy, but I think it's actually, because I don't want you get the add deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, well, that's the easy way out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the easiest way out, but it also might be the simplest and least drama.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you go through life absorbing the drama that's all around you and everyone that got drama you jump in that drama as well Like the life gets life gets nasty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we don't like drama So I would consider those things and I think what it really really boils down to is you and your comfortable your comfort level your either If you're comfortable training there If you are like I said you can talk to the owners and see what their take is maybe they'll kick them out of school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they won't
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't think you can talk to the owners, and you're just truly not comfortable staying there, then you go to another try of the skulls and leaf, and it's as simple as that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You've got to do what you think is right in the situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you might have a little bit of, um, it sounds like you have a little bit of loyalty with the Gracie University BJJ, and that's cool, but you know, I think it's fair to, you know, you want to be loyal to the people that are putting time and effort into you, but at the same time, they got to have some loyalty as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and if they know about this guy being a dirt bag and they know you're uncomfortable with it and you know what it's he's paying just like you are everyone's allowed to be you know what I'm saying so you gotta you gotta you gotta use a little judgment here you gotta use your judgment with the facts that are on the ground and with the nuances of the situation on the ground but for me
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like you're most concerned and you literally say it sucks because leaving the Gracie's awesome Gracie University system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Gracie's have a great teaching protocol.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So does Eddie Bravo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So does Marcelo Garcia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So does John Donner, her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can go right down the list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there are incredible due to two places all over the place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that's your major hang up, but wouldn't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's kind of where I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think I call Charles?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The I do feel like the most important part is to I would have just start casting judgment right away, because you know, with all over indications,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, in play, I feel like it's kind of like he's kind of on the right path, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: He did a doctor entry exposing everything he did, and then, you know, he's doing a thing life after prison, basically how I got my life together, you know, that's like, that's a good thing to be doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if it's genuine now, if he's like hanging around and then at over time, if he gives it a chance, be like, all right, maybe this guy's on the path, I get it, you know, like the path is, or that his past is checkered, but he's on the right path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then give it time and then he turns out to be, you know, as a tamper and he's kind of a toxic person like you know, and you know Then yeah, okay, leave or take other actions or whatever you want to take or whatever based on that But I do think sometimes and I'm being exposed to it more and more with the internet where it's like yeah, people have a bad path and then
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're like, hey, I'm going to kind of tell my story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So other people can avoid certain pitfalls in life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, if they don't have much guidance and then I'm going to go on the right path and try to inspire people to be like, hey, you can't get your life back together rather than, you know, I'm just going to stick with this bad kind of method of living.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because that's a real thing too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you're doing that and you're like, ask me that guy, you know, and don't, you know, and you kind of jam it up for yourself going, you know, leaving a thing that you already like, you know, this stuff, and you didn't have to, then I think that would be the bad move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I think just give it time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you can kind of assess as you go on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One might call it iterative decision.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make it very guilty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
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