Sept. 14, 2026
Jocko Underground: This is How to be a Dependable Warrior.
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How to be a dependable warrior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the jungle underground podcast number 229 sitting over the echo channels and we have some questions from the font lines From the trenches from where the rubber meets the road and we have some answers We have some recommendations and at a bare minimum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some courses of action that you can follow to navigate through these challenging scenarios that you are facing
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's get to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 23 and preparing to pursue a Navy SEAL contract in roughly two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My goal isn't only to earn a try to, it's to become a dependable warrior, husband, father, teammate, and leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're in my position, what three daily non-negotiables would you build before the Navy ever tested you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what hard truth do highly motivated candidates usually learn too late?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking for reassurance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not looking for reassurance or shortcuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be honest, standard, I can live by.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, you know, unfortunately, there's no formula for being successful in the seal pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's just just doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people who've done nothing to prepare for the pipeline and made it through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's people who've done everything to prepare for the pipeline and not made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's people that trained for a decade, you know, like they started training and when they were 15 years old or 14 years old and they trained and they wrestled and they did border polo and they did all the stuff and they were jacked and they could do 200 polips and like all the stuff and they just quit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So me telling you three random non negotiables would be like me throwing darts with a blindfold on after I've been spun around in circles using my left hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: throwing it over my shoulder while it's hanging upside down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just irrelevant, it's just irrelevant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what I might tell you would be a good non-emotional, non-negotiable might be bad for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might help someone else, but it might hurt you and what might hurt you might be helpful for someone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that you're not looking for reassurance or shortcuts because they're really are not any reassurance or shortcuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to get through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're talking about being a dependable warrior, husband, father, teammate, and leader, well, then take extreme ownership of what's going on in your world, be balanced, and have discipline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the first three books that I wrote, right, there's that's extreme ownership dichotomy of leadership, and the discipline was freedom field bandial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why
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[SPEAKER_00]: me offering my opinion to the world, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's no and by the way, those aren't shortcuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even I just talk before you hit record, it's like, it takes a long time before taking ownership becomes habitual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a long time before being balanced becomes habitual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a long time before being disciplined becomes habitual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of times, if you don't pay attention, you'll drift out of all those categories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that's what you're talking about, there's my answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's getting through the system, getting through the pipeline, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ron Swam, Ron Swam, Rock, push ups, pull ups, dips, and strength in your neck, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Try to do things that you're not good at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not comfortable in the water, spend more time in the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not comfortable running, spend more time running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ask this hard truth thing, hard truth, the highly motivated candidates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that the hard truth that people need to face is, if you don't want to be a frogman, then every moment of every day that you have is going to absolutely suck and you won't make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want that job, then every moment of every day sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cold, wet, miserable, tired, stressed, cold, injured, broken, uncomfortable, cold,
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[SPEAKER_00]: wet, annoyed, enslaved, belittled, aching, sore, cold, claustrophobic, tense, uneasy, dirty, wet, and cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the days are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I liked everything I just said was fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not kidding, like talk to the guys I went to talk to Chris Gifford.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in hell week with him in the same boat crew, like we were having fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It did it suck, yeah, it's sucked, it was fun, you know why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be a frogman more than anything else in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most people don't really want to be a frogman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a little saying, everyone wants to be a frogman in a sunny day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the absolute truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go down to Coronado on a Friday, 10 o'clock in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some guys out in the beach doing a beach run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A frogman, sunny, they're getting a tan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The girls on the beach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Coronado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a hotel del Coronado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Girls on the beach are watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're looking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of want to clap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you clap for someone?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just stare at them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know what they want to show their appreciation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but he said they just looked at the gauke and if you're watching the girls that are watching the frogman you go, that's what I want to do but that's not what being a frogman is that's a little bit of tiny, tiny portion of being a frogman being a frogman is our job and
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[SPEAKER_00]: it sucks if you don't want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you really want to be a frogman, you don't need any daily negotiation, non-negotiables.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't, if you really want to be a frogman, you're going to be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't really want to be a frogman, it doesn't really matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're also going to be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just won't be a frogman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right about that stuff because it doesn't sound intuitive when you're like, wait, wait, does it suck or is it fun, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're like, no, no, I can suck and still be fun if that overarching like reason that you're there is like prominent in your head, you know, if you have it in your head, you're a member of a restaurant track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously that's not like being an avisiel, obviously, but you know, we all have our pity enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, so track 400 meter run, 400 meter runs for conditioning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also 300 meters too, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 200 meters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember we had to do 10 of them for training for a practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, this is like the worst practice ever, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like dying at the end of like the first one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You already dying because freaking 400 meters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember thinking, Brad, this like sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a weird day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, be how much this sucks about how fun this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, y'all's with my brothers and my friends and stuff and like the coach was cool, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like physically this sucks real bad, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the hot sun, you know, it's quite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like super fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking, I like track, you know, that's a good fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I can dig it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and yes, not remembering back putting myself back in the position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I didn't like track and I didn't like to track me to the whole thing if I was just doing it for like punishment or something like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but I wouldn't run track this dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah It's like I do not want to be here and not for one second actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I did I get it and it's really weird, you know, because everybody thinks they want to be a frogman
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% of people that go to Buds think they want to be a frogman only 20% of them actually want to be the other 8% don't really want to be and unfortunately somehow they're able to convince themselves externally that they do but then when they get there
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long cold wet night and they don't stay so it looks like you got some um you know some aspirational goals so good luck man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also your 23 you're doing a contract when you're 25 two years from now that
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of 100% sure why you're waiting, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're 23, you should go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say 23 is almost, I think statistically 23 is kind of the peak of the bell curve of making it, younger, like the younger than that is harder, and then older than that is harder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might be the peak like success rate is like 23,
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[SPEAKER_00]: 25, because if you're going with your 25, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the jungle underground podcast number 229 sitting over the echo channels and we have some questions from the font lines From the trenches from where the rubber meets the road and we have some answers We have some recommendations and at a bare minimum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some courses of action that you can follow to navigate through these challenging scenarios that you are facing
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright, let's get to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Talk about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm 23 and preparing to pursue a Navy SEAL contract in roughly two years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My goal isn't only to earn a try to, it's to become a dependable warrior, husband, father, teammate, and leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're in my position, what three daily non-negotiables would you build before the Navy ever tested you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what hard truth do highly motivated candidates usually learn too late?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm looking for reassurance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not looking for reassurance or shortcuts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to be honest, standard, I can live by.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, you know, unfortunately, there's no formula for being successful in the seal pipeline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there's just just doesn't exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are people who've done nothing to prepare for the pipeline and made it through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there's people who've done everything to prepare for the pipeline and not made it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's people that trained for a decade, you know, like they started training and when they were 15 years old or 14 years old and they trained and they wrestled and they did border polo and they did all the stuff and they were jacked and they could do 200 polips and like all the stuff and they just quit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So me telling you three random non negotiables would be like me throwing darts with a blindfold on after I've been spun around in circles using my left hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: throwing it over my shoulder while it's hanging upside down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just irrelevant, it's just irrelevant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because what I might tell you would be a good non-emotional, non-negotiable might be bad for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It might help someone else, but it might hurt you and what might hurt you might be helpful for someone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm glad that you're not looking for reassurance or shortcuts because they're really are not any reassurance or shortcuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you're going to get through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, if you're talking about being a dependable warrior, husband, father, teammate, and leader, well, then take extreme ownership of what's going on in your world, be balanced, and have discipline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the first three books that I wrote, right, there's that's extreme ownership dichotomy of leadership, and the discipline was freedom field bandial.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why
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[SPEAKER_00]: me offering my opinion to the world, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, there's no and by the way, those aren't shortcuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not easy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, even I just talk before you hit record, it's like, it takes a long time before taking ownership becomes habitual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a long time before being balanced becomes habitual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes a long time before being disciplined becomes habitual.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of times, if you don't pay attention, you'll drift out of all those categories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if that's what you're talking about, there's my answer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's getting through the system, getting through the pipeline, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Ron Swam, Ron Swam, Rock, push ups, pull ups, dips, and strength in your neck, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Try to do things that you're not good at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not comfortable in the water, spend more time in the water.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're not comfortable running, spend more time running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You ask this hard truth thing, hard truth, the highly motivated candidates.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that the hard truth that people need to face is, if you don't want to be a frogman, then every moment of every day that you have is going to absolutely suck and you won't make it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't want that job, then every moment of every day sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's cold, wet, miserable, tired, stressed, cold, injured, broken, uncomfortable, cold,
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[SPEAKER_00]: wet, annoyed, enslaved, belittled, aching, sore, cold, claustrophobic, tense, uneasy, dirty, wet, and cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what the days are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I liked everything I just said was fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not kidding, like talk to the guys I went to talk to Chris Gifford.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was in hell week with him in the same boat crew, like we were having fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It did it suck, yeah, it's sucked, it was fun, you know why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted to be a frogman more than anything else in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most people don't really want to be a frogman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got a little saying, everyone wants to be a frogman in a sunny day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that is the absolute truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go down to Coronado on a Friday, 10 o'clock in the morning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some guys out in the beach doing a beach run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A frogman, sunny, they're getting a tan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The girls on the beach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's Coronado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a hotel del Coronado.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Girls on the beach are watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're looking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They kind of want to clap.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you clap for someone?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you just stare at them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know what they want to show their appreciation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but he said they just looked at the gauke and if you're watching the girls that are watching the frogman you go, that's what I want to do but that's not what being a frogman is that's a little bit of tiny, tiny portion of being a frogman being a frogman is our job and
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[SPEAKER_00]: it sucks if you don't want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you really want to be a frogman, you don't need any daily negotiation, non-negotiables.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't, if you really want to be a frogman, you're going to be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't really want to be a frogman, it doesn't really matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you're also going to be fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just won't be a frogman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're right about that stuff because it doesn't sound intuitive when you're like, wait, wait, does it suck or is it fun, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But you're like, no, no, I can suck and still be fun if that overarching like reason that you're there is like prominent in your head, you know, if you have it in your head, you're a member of a restaurant track.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously that's not like being an avisiel, obviously, but you know, we all have our pity enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, so track 400 meter run, 400 meter runs for conditioning.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also 300 meters too, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And 200 meters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They just suck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's like the worst.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember we had to do 10 of them for training for a practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, this is like the worst practice ever, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: 10 of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then you're like dying at the end of like the first one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You already dying because freaking 400 meters.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I remember thinking, Brad, this like sucks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is such a weird day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: God, be how much this sucks about how fun this is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause like, y'all's with my brothers and my friends and stuff and like the coach was cool, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like physically this sucks real bad, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the hot sun, you know, it's quite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it was like super fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Cause...
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fucking, I like track, you know, that's a good fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I can dig it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So and yes, not remembering back putting myself back in the position.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I didn't like track and I didn't like to track me to the whole thing if I was just doing it for like punishment or something like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but I wouldn't run track this dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah It's like I do not want to be here and not for one second actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I did I get it and it's really weird, you know, because everybody thinks they want to be a frogman
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[SPEAKER_00]: 100% of people that go to Buds think they want to be a frogman only 20% of them actually want to be the other 8% don't really want to be and unfortunately somehow they're able to convince themselves externally that they do but then when they get there
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a long cold wet night and they don't stay so it looks like you got some um you know some aspirational goals so good luck man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also your 23 you're doing a contract when you're 25 two years from now that
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out of 100% sure why you're waiting, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're 23, you should go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say 23 is almost, I think statistically 23 is kind of the peak of the bell curve of making it, younger, like the younger than that is harder, and then older than that is harder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that might be the peak like success rate is like 23,
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[SPEAKER_00]: 25, because if you're going with your 25, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
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