Jocko Underground: The Way to Turn Your Rival Into Your Ally

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[SPEAKER_01]: Does the jockel underground podcast number one seventy nine sitting here with Carrie Heldon?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We have got some questions from all of you and we are going to try and provide some options Some courses of actions and perhaps some guidance for you To utilize.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we got you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you doing?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So did we pre-read the questions this time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: We did a little pre-reading a scan

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[SPEAKER_01]: early on in the game in the early UG podcast echo trolls would have to pre-read he'd be like just can be like fifteen minutes and I would but I harassed him so much about it telling that that was weak you need to get in the game you need to figure it out

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[SPEAKER_00]: So in echo and my defense now, these are literally taken from the people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: These are written in the people's words, right?

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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not in here freaking, you know, formatting and adding puncture.

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[SPEAKER_00]: This is straight up from the people.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So we will try to do their voice justice here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you hear me in the break read question?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Side on teen?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Sound like I was having issues?

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[SPEAKER_00]: No.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I did that shit for a reason.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you even gave it a little character too.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt like I was hearing it from the person.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, there's good times, but yeah, in the beginning, echo would.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And Echo still can get jammed up, but he also will go heavy editing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like he is no stranger to just write the note and re-reading a whole thing.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If he has the skill jammed up, he's like, uh, he has no shame.

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[SPEAKER_01]: He will read it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: The whole question if he messes it up bad enough.

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[SPEAKER_00]: So I might have to do some editing here.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see how it goes.

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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Echo and Joco.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm taking on a new mission.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Coaching volunteering for the local water polo program I once played for, but there's a problem.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The local swim coach who I used to swim for has strong resentment toward water polo, accusing us of poaching her swimmers and harming their technique.

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[SPEAKER_00]: We share the high school pool and she's made things difficult, canceling our approved times and blocking us from hosting games by leveraging her influence with the pool management.

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[SPEAKER_00]: The water polo director has tried to stay patient, but this is becoming disruptive.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Ego is clearly in play on both sides and even if I wanted to step in, I don't want to come off his hostile.

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[SPEAKER_00]: How would you approach this kind of situation for the best chance of success?

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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for all you do.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay strong.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Brothers from the underground.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Check.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Forgive you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's pretty good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We're improving.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In incrementality.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Situation here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's unfortunate that it's happening.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also unfortunate that it's very common for this type of thing to be happening people looking out for themselves and looking out for that little rice ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I wonder where that term come from.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Rice ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, they got the protecting the rice ball.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You ever heard that before?

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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would imagine the East though.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, maybe.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that'd be a good guess.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But you never heard that term before?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know.

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[SPEAKER_01]: It means that I've got my rice ball when I'm going to look out for my little rice ball over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You got yours and you're looking out for yours.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And the person that asks the question is correct that making things antagonistic is not going to help the cause very much at all.

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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it'll make it worse.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I would do in this situation.

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[SPEAKER_01]: is, I would as hard as it may seem as difficult as it may be.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I will do everything that I could to build a relationship with the women, the woman swim coach.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I would do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Start to build a relationship.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, what you have to say, to allow her to influence me, put some trust in her, to allow her to treat her with respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So she treats me with respect.

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I would do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Trust us and respect influence and care.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And equally,

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would also build a very strong relationship with the pool management.

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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, so we're gonna build a good relationship with the pool management.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would make sure that the pool is always clean when we're done and make sure that the kick boards were put away that the stuff was swept up that there's no garbage at the schedules, you know, good.

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[SPEAKER_01]: My players were respectful.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would make sure that we became the golden boys of the pool area.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So, build a relationship up the chain of command with the pool management.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I would probably make a compromises that favor the swim team, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, you need it on Thursday night.

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[SPEAKER_01]: What time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, we'll come in after you.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll go in before you know, so I'd make these little compromises to

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[SPEAKER_01]: Show that I'm here to support the overall mission.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the pool's mission, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Not just my mission though, the pool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And this swim team's part of the pool and the pool team's part of the pool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So we want everybody to have a good, you know, good winning long-term success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm here for everyone.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I moved my practice.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You only put it back in an hour.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Cool.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yep.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Can we get two days and Thursday at the other time?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I would do my best to make compromises that favor this swim team.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And look, does that mean I'm gonna be a pushover?

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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not gonna be a pushover, but I'd make it very clear

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[SPEAKER_01]: that are here to help.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not just taking care of my own rice bowl over here.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's what I'll do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think long term is gonna be a long term strategy.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, the actual woman coach, you know, she's gonna, oh, she might see that weakness.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes, actually, I need you not to be in here at all, and there's this, right?

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[SPEAKER_01]: So I hear it.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not gonna let that happen.

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[SPEAKER_01]: the pool management won't let that happen either.

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[SPEAKER_01]: So things are going to change overnight, build these relationships, and allow her to influence you, make decisions that are supporting the team, the whole team, both teams.

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[SPEAKER_01]: and in a long run, you're gonna have the best possible outcome.

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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm glad that you asked the question the way you asked it, which is the best chance of success.

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[SPEAKER_01]: You didn't say, like, how do I get this woman to back off?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Because she's not gonna back off.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She cares about her program, which we wanted to.

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[SPEAKER_01]: If you got a kid in her program, you want her to be fighting for the pool for that extra half an hour when the water polo kids turn up.

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[SPEAKER_01]: We needed another half an hour and you do more laps.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's what you want.

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[SPEAKER_01]: She's engaged in her job.

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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm happy about that.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I'm mad about that,

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do we get her to see your side?

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[SPEAKER_01]: You build a relationship with her.

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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you get the management to see you build a relationship with the management?

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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what we're doing.

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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're in this scenario, are you involving the water polo team in this, in this effort?

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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.

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[SPEAKER_01]: When I'd be like, hey, I mean, I might not say, hey, guys, here's what we're trying to do.

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[SPEAKER_01]: But hey, when we're done clean up the pool area, hey, make sure there's no kickboards lying around.

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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, make sure we got the lanes, lines all, put back out the way they're supposed to be like, I would do that for sure.

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[SPEAKER_01]: They'd know that we were squared away.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, Roger.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Next question.

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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm forty two never married.

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