Sept. 7, 2026
Jocko Underground: The Guy Who Called Out Rener Gracie's Purple Belts and Got Embarrassed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel underground podcast number 228 sitting over the echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have some questions from the front lines from the troops We will provide answers recommendations or at a minimum courses of action of how to proceed Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do okay cool for a question Okay, Jockel echo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started you just to about a year ago to strike white belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: A slow video about a jujitsu brown belt guy who's an instructor calling out any Gracie University purple belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, quote, if you're a purple belt from Gracie University, your jujitsu is probably dog shit and quote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also said to come to his academy to prove that it's not dog shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he also randomly said FU HANA, and at Gracie, which we know, okay, then HANA Gracie sent one of his Gracie University purple belts to the guy's academy and the Gracie University purple belt destroyed him and it was in front of the guy's students and everything my two questions are is it normal for higher belts to call out lower belts like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a lower belt may call out a higher belt publicly as an act of defiance or a direct challenge to his legitimacy But I never heard of a higher belt calling out lower belts like that kind of like punching down What do you guys think and how can a brown belt guy how can that brown belt guy recover from such an embarrassing situation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think I would ever join a gym if I knew that was the situation with the instructor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I, if I was one of the students, I might switch gyms out of sheer embarrassment on top of the apparent lack of quality of skill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a little hot topic in the jujitsu scene for a few days there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, what I think of the guy doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty It's just pretty, you know, pretty lame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess like just what what are you doing dude?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not normal, you know, because if you want to, you can just go compete kind of, if you want to like show your skills and you don't think other people ask us, just go win tournaments and just show your dominance, you know, and then you don't really have to like go, this is it, by the way, I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was not a very thoughtful,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, of course, yeah, this was a well thought out plan by this brown belt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a have you heard of a thing Called the Gracie challenge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not this is not like a this is not like a small part of the jujitsu of his the history of jujitsu Something called the Gracie challenge Where you get to challenge them
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you will fight them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that was wide open in the late 80s and 90s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wide open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to fight them, you can go to their academy, sign a waiver, and you can fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Gracie Challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of two of the only existing events that influenced me to join you just to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the ones you have to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you understand, if you've watched Gracie in Action 1 and 2, you'd realize that this particular behavior
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[SPEAKER_01]: of calling out, and being, you know, disrespectful, because there probably was an approach of like, hey, my name is, you know, Fred, and I have a Gigi to school up in whatever, and, you know, I think I have really effective Gigi to, and from what I've seen, I'm not sure that the Gracie Gigi to Academy is keeping up with the times, and I would like to try
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could be a little bit more like, okay, well, you know, maybe you guys shouldn't do some marketing or whatever, but like, you know, saying fuck you hand-or-grace-eats I mean you may not you may or may not like hand-or-grace-eat, you know, but he's a nice guy He's not stealing money from this dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems a little hostile The hand-or-s-a-very nice individual By the way
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think, yeah, if you think that the people from the Gracie Academy are not good at Gigietsu for some reason This is a very strange the very strange thing to to to to to to assume Proclaim the very it's very yeah strange thing to proclaim to so that's a little weird You know like if you think that the Gracie Gigietsu Academy does not have good people at it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you might have seen some, you know, I don't know what you've seen, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I see the greatest, you just do people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They compete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're, they're, I would say they're less of a competition school, but there are people that come from there that compete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there, you know, a lot of people call what we do, Gracie, due to, after these actual will guys, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a weird approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't recommend it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wouldn't recommend being disrespectful for two people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, why would you do that now again if your plan is to get a you know Get some wreck get get some Attention, you got some attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My little brochinho So that's not normal pretty lame and you know it kind of went exactly how you'd think it's gonna go you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have a guy at his, like it's gonna be a squared away purple belt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you that Purple guy that's been training for five years that lives at the Gracie Academy Bro, that's a good ass purple belt and look we all know that there's we all know that there's purple belts And then there's some purple You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some purple belts and there's some purple belts and there's some purple belts and
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got a, you got a purple belt, you know, like this guy is not this guy's not a hobbyist this guy isn't like, you know, doing one class a week because he wants to learn self defense now the students in the game so anyways, not a good call on the students part challenging calling out or calling out a lower belt what's weird about all that was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is, I understand if you're in UFC BJJ and you get done with a match and you call out some other competitor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand in the 80s and 90s, if you said, hey, I do Kung Fu and I think my martial artist better than your martial artist and I call you out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you do G2 and you're saying someone else isn't a good G2, you can go compete and you can like everyone knows Yeah So they actually have a stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Competition and if you want to prove that you're better go and by the way, they do have a thing called the Gracie Challenge
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, but anyways, I think I don't know what that guy was thinking and you know, maybe he just got frustrated or You know, maybe he's just not making money or maybe he's having a hard time or I don't know dude I don't know what's going on in that guy's head But the dude went up there and you know, tapped him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy was super chill super professional
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, you know, of course, you know, of course they go out there and just start on a humble and professional and just tap them out five times or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch the video?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, it's sort of like thing thing, um, you know, another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to think of what could have made him, sometimes if you're an isolated area, you know, you're kind of a big fish and a little pond.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that dude had a little bit of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had guys that that were a big fish and a little ponds somewhere and they came to California and it's like oh yeah, small, you're small.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe he had some of that syndrome where he was like a legitimate like he rolled with some guy that was a was a purple belt three years ago and kind of like when he was a purple belt kind of smashed him and was like do these guys don't know what they're doing and he got some random guy that's a hobbyist that you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the guy that Brombell, he made an apology video, he took ownership, and then Henry invited him go out to the Gracie Academy and learn some digits too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I was in my take him up on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he has to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be humble, he's got to apologize.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be a better person, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably have some weird insecurity or something, is my guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can dig it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't really thought about calling someone out in a while other than like you Makes it and he said and this is actually a good point the question like a higher belt calling out a lower belt even within the confines of just to let's say like I don't I don't know let's say obviously there's an internet kind of play right some where that where is the guy from he's from like You have sure I was thinking for a month for some reason, but when it was Vermont maybe so
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you're right, they're like, you know, like, he's way out and wherever, you know, little maybe his big fish small ponds scenario and then, but so he's influenced by the internet, you know, and then maybe someone or two or three or however many like Gracie universe is Gracie universe is that the online one or is that the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gracie University is is the Academy and it's also the online thing like it's Gracie Juditudes that's that's you know yeah Leo the Orient to Hanner like that's what it is yeah Yeah, it's like the whole correct at least as far as I know yeah, I'm not I'm maybe I'm not parsing out the whole thing correctly But you know yeah exactly well he called it out
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the the oddball part, which I think I'm kind of with this good the guy who asked the question here I was like, but he's a brown belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would he call out purple belt?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seemed kind of weird It's not like he said like brown belt might my level or there's so dog shit that I'll take on a black belt I mean that you would think that would be the call right if they sock right
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think you had her greasy sucks it's you too You're kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah a little bit crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but again kind of different, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm calling on all purple belts like proud that to make sense like even if the guys are pretty good like you're supposed to be better
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also from an etiquette perspective, it's actually opposite, like in a academy, there's some academies like you as a junior belt, don't call it a senior belt, don't call it a harder belt, like if you were a purple belt and I was a brown belt, I wouldn't be like you weren't allowed to ask me to roll.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's in from training environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that makes sense to train exactly right because of a higher can of respect and like and I understand how that can exist like in certain environments, but That's off call out on the internet and active defines a dojo storm or reverse dojo storm or reverse dojo storm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or whatever you want to call it, like, Bruno, you're calling out the top guy, top dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm only a purple belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You call out the top guy, that's how good I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a vibe, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, to me, makes sense in the, in the Bushito world of freaking warfare, you're saying I'm saying, you don't say, I'm on a freaking call out the guy at this university, not the top guy or nothing like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I actually want to guy lower than me, you know, like, pride doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, I didn't even think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I would also think about is like when when they came to Hicks and Gracie, you could be when the Japanese dude came to Hicks and Gracie's got to be like challenged Hicks and Gracie and Hicks and Gracie had to drive there and they did an MMA fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they did a fight like it was just a fight and you know like Hicks and Gracie annihilated that guy beat him to a pulp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and now you think that that's not part of the tradition over here yeah that that part yeah i think you're right like i got to see a uh back in the day um fobio fobio took some of the dracie challenges he was you know fobio Santos my uh my my instructor in the beginning of jujitsu
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[SPEAKER_01]: He he he had videos of just him like get guy off the street coming in with his Kung Fu or Wing Chung or whatever and like they're fighting fighting and yeah, it's like real fight You sign the waiver bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on
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[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, which kind of makes me think of this, let's say, right, put that in this, like, call out culture world, we'll say, uh, a guy, let's say it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's this guy's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a call somebody out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you don't call out the guy literally lower ranked in you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, okay, I'm going to call out the head instructor, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is common for the head instructor to be like, oh, you don't deserve to be a terrible problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you don't deserve to fight me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't unwrap this for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You all send you one of my purple belts and you heal, you know, I mean, and if you can be him, okay, maybe you can earn the honor, you know, of like another guy and then me, you know, actually that would have been it would have been funny if Henry would have sent a blue belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's exactly what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would have been made it even a little bit more extreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would have been a little bit better of a match?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because, you know, but I don't know when that guy get his purple belt, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, the purple guys seem very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you write that's the risky run when you just start calling out entire curriculums like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of the, of like the royal family of the sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what it is where there's no there's no debate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like well No, no, no, that's the that's a real family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but it's really just you know, okay cool But it's you know, it's presenting to Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Gracie Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's Royce Gracie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know who Royce Gracie is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just do I treat with Royce Gracie
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[SPEAKER_01]: The boy's crazy is always crazy for a reason and you know something else watch whatever I think it's UFC one or UFC two and Ken Shamrock who's a beast drops back for a footlocker He'll hook on on voice this is 1993 Voice defended that like he'd been defended you know like he was part of the part of the damn down her desk quad
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he's set right up for God be positioned like no factor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're thinking in your mind like all that It's also it no dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's come on man
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a very big challenge, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, yeah, this calling out the lower belt is weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no answer for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea why that would happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what was this second question?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does it recover?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is this guy becomes a Gracie Academy affiliate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's kind of the move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it's kind of, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you kind of zoom out, detach, if you will, and zoom out, and look at it, and I was kind of looking at it as an internet fun story perspective because, you know, at the end of the day, that's what it is, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he could be like, okay, no, no, no, this is part of a story arc, see what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I freaking emerged as this kind of like petty villain, you know, and freaking, and then I challenge the noble prince or the noble freaking knight or whatever, got completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was my boy the purple ball because he did obviously you're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, fully and actually in a way to to me Anyway from this story send point he it was a call out to Henry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was like you you F you hanner you and your whole system sucks his dog shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're part of this Gracie University and you're a purple belt, your G-Jutsis for early Dr. Euse, he wasn't calling out that, but he was calling about everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was a henna call out, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So cool, good story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fun story, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So henna's like, well, I'm just a noble king, you know, but I will accommodate you, sir, regardless of how petty it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he accommodated very gentlemanly like, right, on his turf and everything, sends him over, really nice, not doughed, not freaking, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hostility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No hostility, very professional boom, you know, handles business and said sir like I accept your challenge, you know, and then boom defeats him and then now what right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What so this guy sweet brax should use this as my advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Henry invited me over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, Henry, I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to learn from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were now my master.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he should become a freaking student at disciples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't say no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he gets better and better, improves his technique, obviously, if the purple belt is, you know, kind of give him a lesson on the map, which I'm saying, improving his name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nogie, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nogie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On his, in his own gym, nogie, which I would imagine that the purple belt from Gracie would have preferred ghee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my assumption.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But nogie, no time limit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right so boom now this guy accepts his defeat with humility right boom turns over to the freaking what he called the force the day the light side whatever the you know the start with the boom now he's a disciple now that's perfect story arc he was about now he has a what he called when you have history like the lore is the lore soon saying he learned his lesson and now people will want to go to his academy yeah Jim saying okay
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that's the move, it's really hard to humble yourself like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if you kind of that, but if there's one way you're going to get humble, that was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's on the right path publicly, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, more than publicly even, internet style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the, um, he said, like to say he said, because yeah, there was a follow video, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a follow video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm sorry for, you know, sorry for, you know, like freaking, I learned, um, so he's on on the right track,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just doubled down on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'm saying go to Hannah or Freak and see what up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People with video, that's either move I think, but yeah, interesting, fun story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you know, um, we all love Jiu-Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like we all love the Trains Jiu-Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird to just develop a beef out of thin air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're in New England, bro, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an odd ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like in the old days it would look like the hardcore scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you saw someone that was in the hardcore, it's kind of like dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it got a little bit bigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you just had to, it was like, we had beef with other, you know, elements and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it became.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the old days, it was like, you like to do it like you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it didn't take long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, where you, you're from what school?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we kind of got through that we kind of got through that to where it's like, oh, yeah You like to do I like to do cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's train.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not you like to do too, but I'm about 3,000 miles away from you know call you out For no reason I'm provoking It's kind of a wild story Anyways, I'm sure it didn't go the way you wanted I'm sure you wish as you could take it all back, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think before you speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but again from a from a what zoomed out perspective This is like this is like obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a fun story to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a fun thing But Roger, I think for this guy from the good the brown belt dude What does it do you recall his name?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I think I think it was Clarence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think was yeah, Clarence, okay Clarence
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[SPEAKER_00]: If doesn't aim, he should, he should double down and embrace it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, this is the story line now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a narrative going on, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the story jump in there and freaking, you know, make a good story out of this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Opportunity goes really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes a big thing now, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to understand that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel underground podcast number 228 sitting over the echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have some questions from the front lines from the troops We will provide answers recommendations or at a minimum courses of action of how to proceed Let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do okay cool for a question Okay, Jockel echo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I started you just to about a year ago to strike white belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: A slow video about a jujitsu brown belt guy who's an instructor calling out any Gracie University purple belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, quote, if you're a purple belt from Gracie University, your jujitsu is probably dog shit and quote.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he also said to come to his academy to prove that it's not dog shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he also randomly said FU HANA, and at Gracie, which we know, okay, then HANA Gracie sent one of his Gracie University purple belts to the guy's academy and the Gracie University purple belt destroyed him and it was in front of the guy's students and everything my two questions are is it normal for higher belts to call out lower belts like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It seems like a lower belt may call out a higher belt publicly as an act of defiance or a direct challenge to his legitimacy But I never heard of a higher belt calling out lower belts like that kind of like punching down What do you guys think and how can a brown belt guy how can that brown belt guy recover from such an embarrassing situation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't think I would ever join a gym if I knew that was the situation with the instructor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I, if I was one of the students, I might switch gyms out of sheer embarrassment on top of the apparent lack of quality of skill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you guys think?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a little hot topic in the jujitsu scene for a few days there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, what I think of the guy doing that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's pretty It's just pretty, you know, pretty lame.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess like just what what are you doing dude?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and it's not normal, you know, because if you want to, you can just go compete kind of, if you want to like show your skills and you don't think other people ask us, just go win tournaments and just show your dominance, you know, and then you don't really have to like go, this is it, by the way, I will say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This was not a very thoughtful,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Actually, of course, yeah, this was a well thought out plan by this brown belt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a have you heard of a thing Called the Gracie challenge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember this?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not this is not like a this is not like a small part of the jujitsu of his the history of jujitsu Something called the Gracie challenge Where you get to challenge them
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[SPEAKER_01]: and you will fight them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is something that was wide open in the late 80s and 90s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wide open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you want to fight them, you can go to their academy, sign a waiver, and you can fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Gracie Challenge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was one of two of the only existing events that influenced me to join you just to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the ones you have to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you understand, if you've watched Gracie in Action 1 and 2, you'd realize that this particular behavior
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[SPEAKER_01]: of calling out, and being, you know, disrespectful, because there probably was an approach of like, hey, my name is, you know, Fred, and I have a Gigi to school up in whatever, and, you know, I think I have really effective Gigi to, and from what I've seen, I'm not sure that the Gracie Gigi to Academy is keeping up with the times, and I would like to try
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[SPEAKER_01]: You could be a little bit more like, okay, well, you know, maybe you guys shouldn't do some marketing or whatever, but like, you know, saying fuck you hand-or-grace-eats I mean you may not you may or may not like hand-or-grace-eat, you know, but he's a nice guy He's not stealing money from this dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it seems a little hostile The hand-or-s-a-very nice individual By the way
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think, yeah, if you think that the people from the Gracie Academy are not good at Gigietsu for some reason This is a very strange the very strange thing to to to to to to assume Proclaim the very it's very yeah strange thing to proclaim to so that's a little weird You know like if you think that the Gracie Gigietsu Academy does not have good people at it
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, you might have seen some, you know, I don't know what you've seen, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because I see the greatest, you just do people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They compete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes they're, they're, I would say they're less of a competition school, but there are people that come from there that compete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there, you know, a lot of people call what we do, Gracie, due to, after these actual will guys, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just a weird approach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wouldn't recommend it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I wouldn't recommend being disrespectful for two people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, well, why would you do that now again if your plan is to get a you know Get some wreck get get some Attention, you got some attention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My little brochinho So that's not normal pretty lame and you know it kind of went exactly how you'd think it's gonna go you know
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna have a guy at his, like it's gonna be a squared away purple belt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I can tell you that Purple guy that's been training for five years that lives at the Gracie Academy Bro, that's a good ass purple belt and look we all know that there's we all know that there's purple belts And then there's some purple You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some purple belts and there's some purple belts and there's some purple belts and
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you got a, you got a purple belt, you know, like this guy is not this guy's not a hobbyist this guy isn't like, you know, doing one class a week because he wants to learn self defense now the students in the game so anyways, not a good call on the students part challenging calling out or calling out a lower belt what's weird about all that was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is, I understand if you're in UFC BJJ and you get done with a match and you call out some other competitor, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I understand in the 80s and 90s, if you said, hey, I do Kung Fu and I think my martial artist better than your martial artist and I call you out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if you do G2 and you're saying someone else isn't a good G2, you can go compete and you can like everyone knows Yeah So they actually have a stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called Competition and if you want to prove that you're better go and by the way, they do have a thing called the Gracie Challenge
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, um, but anyways, I think I don't know what that guy was thinking and you know, maybe he just got frustrated or You know, maybe he's just not making money or maybe he's having a hard time or I don't know dude I don't know what's going on in that guy's head But the dude went up there and you know, tapped him out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy was super chill super professional
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was, you know, of course, you know, of course they go out there and just start on a humble and professional and just tap them out five times or whatever it was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did you watch the video?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, it's sort of like thing thing, um, you know, another thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was trying to think of what could have made him, sometimes if you're an isolated area, you know, you're kind of a big fish and a little pond.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So maybe that dude had a little bit of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've had guys that that were a big fish and a little ponds somewhere and they came to California and it's like oh yeah, small, you're small.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so maybe he had some of that syndrome where he was like a legitimate like he rolled with some guy that was a was a purple belt three years ago and kind of like when he was a purple belt kind of smashed him and was like do these guys don't know what they're doing and he got some random guy that's a hobbyist that you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, he is what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think the guy that Brombell, he made an apology video, he took ownership, and then Henry invited him go out to the Gracie Academy and learn some digits too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would, I was in my take him up on it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what he has to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's got to be humble, he's got to apologize.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be a better person, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You probably have some weird insecurity or something, is my guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can dig it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't really thought about calling someone out in a while other than like you Makes it and he said and this is actually a good point the question like a higher belt calling out a lower belt even within the confines of just to let's say like I don't I don't know let's say obviously there's an internet kind of play right some where that where is the guy from he's from like You have sure I was thinking for a month for some reason, but when it was Vermont maybe so
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, you're right, they're like, you know, like, he's way out and wherever, you know, little maybe his big fish small ponds scenario and then, but so he's influenced by the internet, you know, and then maybe someone or two or three or however many like Gracie universe is Gracie universe is that the online one or is that the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gracie University is is the Academy and it's also the online thing like it's Gracie Juditudes that's that's you know yeah Leo the Orient to Hanner like that's what it is yeah Yeah, it's like the whole correct at least as far as I know yeah, I'm not I'm maybe I'm not parsing out the whole thing correctly But you know yeah exactly well he called it out
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but the the oddball part, which I think I'm kind of with this good the guy who asked the question here I was like, but he's a brown belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why would he call out purple belt?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That seemed kind of weird It's not like he said like brown belt might my level or there's so dog shit that I'll take on a black belt I mean that you would think that would be the call right if they sock right
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you think you had her greasy sucks it's you too You're kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah a little bit crazy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but again kind of different, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm calling on all purple belts like proud that to make sense like even if the guys are pretty good like you're supposed to be better
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but also from an etiquette perspective, it's actually opposite, like in a academy, there's some academies like you as a junior belt, don't call it a senior belt, don't call it a harder belt, like if you were a purple belt and I was a brown belt, I wouldn't be like you weren't allowed to ask me to roll.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that's in from training environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that makes sense to train exactly right because of a higher can of respect and like and I understand how that can exist like in certain environments, but That's off call out on the internet and active defines a dojo storm or reverse dojo storm or reverse dojo storm.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or whatever you want to call it, like, Bruno, you're calling out the top guy, top dog.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm only a purple belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You call out the top guy, that's how good I am.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of a vibe, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That, to me, makes sense in the, in the Bushito world of freaking warfare, you're saying I'm saying, you don't say, I'm on a freaking call out the guy at this university, not the top guy or nothing like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when I actually want to guy lower than me, you know, like, pride doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See, I didn't even think about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I would also think about is like when when they came to Hicks and Gracie, you could be when the Japanese dude came to Hicks and Gracie's got to be like challenged Hicks and Gracie and Hicks and Gracie had to drive there and they did an MMA fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, they did a fight like it was just a fight and you know like Hicks and Gracie annihilated that guy beat him to a pulp.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and now you think that that's not part of the tradition over here yeah that that part yeah i think you're right like i got to see a uh back in the day um fobio fobio took some of the dracie challenges he was you know fobio Santos my uh my my instructor in the beginning of jujitsu
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[SPEAKER_01]: He he he had videos of just him like get guy off the street coming in with his Kung Fu or Wing Chung or whatever and like they're fighting fighting and yeah, it's like real fight You sign the waiver bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's on
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[SPEAKER_00]: So actually, which kind of makes me think of this, let's say, right, put that in this, like, call out culture world, we'll say, uh, a guy, let's say it's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's this guy's a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was a call somebody out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, you don't call out the guy literally lower ranked in you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're like, okay, I'm going to call out the head instructor, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is common for the head instructor to be like, oh, you don't deserve to be a terrible problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, you don't deserve to fight me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the title.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't unwrap this for you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You all send you one of my purple belts and you heal, you know, I mean, and if you can be him, okay, maybe you can earn the honor, you know, of like another guy and then me, you know, actually that would have been it would have been funny if Henry would have sent a blue belt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that would, you know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, exactly right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, that's exactly what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that would have been made it even a little bit more extreme.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Who would have been a little bit better of a match?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because, you know, but I don't know when that guy get his purple belt, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, the purple guys seem very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, you write that's the risky run when you just start calling out entire curriculums like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, okay, cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Of the, of like the royal family of the sports.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I mean, that's what it is where there's no there's no debate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's like well No, no, no, that's the that's a real family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, but it's really just you know, okay cool But it's you know, it's presenting to Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's Gracie Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's it's Royce Gracie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do you know who Royce Gracie is?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just do I treat with Royce Gracie
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[SPEAKER_01]: The boy's crazy is always crazy for a reason and you know something else watch whatever I think it's UFC one or UFC two and Ken Shamrock who's a beast drops back for a footlocker He'll hook on on voice this is 1993 Voice defended that like he'd been defended you know like he was part of the part of the damn down her desk quad
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like he's set right up for God be positioned like no factor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're thinking in your mind like all that It's also it no dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's come on man
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was a very big challenge, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, yeah, this calling out the lower belt is weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have no answer for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have no idea why that would happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then what was this second question?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How does it recover?
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[SPEAKER_01]: My guess is this guy becomes a Gracie Academy affiliate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's kind of the move.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So to me, it's kind of, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you kind of zoom out, detach, if you will, and zoom out, and look at it, and I was kind of looking at it as an internet fun story perspective because, you know, at the end of the day, that's what it is, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he could be like, okay, no, no, no, this is part of a story arc, see what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I freaking emerged as this kind of like petty villain, you know, and freaking, and then I challenge the noble prince or the noble freaking knight or whatever, got completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that was my boy the purple ball because he did obviously you're good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, fully and actually in a way to to me Anyway from this story send point he it was a call out to Henry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it was like you you F you hanner you and your whole system sucks his dog shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what he said
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you're part of this Gracie University and you're a purple belt, your G-Jutsis for early Dr. Euse, he wasn't calling out that, but he was calling about everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was a henna call out, really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So cool, good story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fun story, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So henna's like, well, I'm just a noble king, you know, but I will accommodate you, sir, regardless of how petty it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he accommodated very gentlemanly like, right, on his turf and everything, sends him over, really nice, not doughed, not freaking, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, hostility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No hostility, very professional boom, you know, handles business and said sir like I accept your challenge, you know, and then boom defeats him and then now what right now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What so this guy sweet brax should use this as my advantage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Henry invited me over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying, Henry, I was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to learn from you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were now my master.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he should become a freaking student at disciples.
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[SPEAKER_00]: thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you don't say no.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he gets better and better, improves his technique, obviously, if the purple belt is, you know, kind of give him a lesson on the map, which I'm saying, improving his name.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nogie, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Nogie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: On his, in his own gym, nogie, which I would imagine that the purple belt from Gracie would have preferred ghee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my assumption.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But nogie, no time limit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: right so boom now this guy accepts his defeat with humility right boom turns over to the freaking what he called the force the day the light side whatever the you know the start with the boom now he's a disciple now that's perfect story arc he was about now he has a what he called when you have history like the lore is the lore soon saying he learned his lesson and now people will want to go to his academy yeah Jim saying okay
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that's the move, it's really hard to humble yourself like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, especially if you kind of that, but if there's one way you're going to get humble, that was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's on the right path publicly, by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, more than publicly even, internet style.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the, um, he said, like to say he said, because yeah, there was a follow video, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a follow video.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm sorry for, you know, sorry for, you know, like freaking, I learned, um, so he's on on the right track,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just doubled down on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you'm saying go to Hannah or Freak and see what up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: People with video, that's either move I think, but yeah, interesting, fun story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Man, you know, um, we all love Jiu-Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, like we all love the Trains Jiu-Jitsu.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird to just develop a beef out of thin air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're in New England, bro, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was an odd ball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's like in the old days it would look like the hardcore scene.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you saw someone that was in the hardcore, it's kind of like dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it got a little bit bigger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now you just had to, it was like, we had beef with other, you know, elements and whatnot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then it became.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like in the old days, it was like, you like to do it like you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it didn't take long.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like, where you, you're from what school?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then we kind of got through that we kind of got through that to where it's like, oh, yeah You like to do I like to do cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's train.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not you like to do too, but I'm about 3,000 miles away from you know call you out For no reason I'm provoking It's kind of a wild story Anyways, I'm sure it didn't go the way you wanted I'm sure you wish as you could take it all back, but
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think before you speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, that's what we're doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, but again from a from a what zoomed out perspective This is like this is like obviously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a fun story to watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like a fun thing But Roger, I think for this guy from the good the brown belt dude What does it do you recall his name?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, I think I think it was Clarence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think was yeah, Clarence, okay Clarence
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[SPEAKER_00]: If doesn't aim, he should, he should double down and embrace it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, this is the story line now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a narrative going on, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, the story jump in there and freaking, you know, make a good story out of this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Opportunity goes really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He goes a big thing now, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to understand that.
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