Oct. 20, 2025
Jocko Underground: The Cure to Being Overwhelmed, Inadequate, and Afraid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 186 sitting here with echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a bunch of very interesting questions from you all and we will provide answers in some cases recommended courses of action in other cases and maybe just overall guidance.
00:17.409 --> 00:18.411
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where we're up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: helpful guidance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes indeed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
00:22.456 --> 00:26.180
[SPEAKER_01]: I listen to your podcast a lot and it helps me stay disciplined in many areas of my life.
00:26.200 --> 00:33.709
[SPEAKER_01]: In my mid 20s and after starting to work out consistently for the first time in seven years I decided to increase the plank time.
00:34.290 --> 00:37.093
[SPEAKER_01]: I was doing by 10 seconds after about a week and a half.
00:37.213 --> 00:43.441
[SPEAKER_01]: So plank is like, you know, when you go in your elbows your feet, you know, your rigid, you know, you time yourself.
00:43.521 --> 00:44.702
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing.
00:44.682 --> 00:54.034
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so, for we can have K the first time I tried this, I found myself engaging in all this negative self-talk like, wow, congratulations, are castically.
00:54.054 --> 00:58.099
[SPEAKER_01]: You're now 10 seconds of flanking less pathetic than you were a week ago.
00:58.580 --> 01:06.770
[SPEAKER_01]: My question is, why can some of us struggle so hard to be happy with growth and acknowledge when we are acting with disciplining commitment?
01:07.171 --> 01:14.520
[SPEAKER_01]: In other ways, as well, I'm beyond my flanking, sincerely and with appreciation.
01:15.108 --> 01:25.466
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of wondering how that was negative until you read it in the sarcastic voice, you know, because in my mind it's like, oh yeah, you actually are better than you were a week ago.
01:25.666 --> 01:35.142
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he said less pathetic, so I'm saying like, yeah, yeah, I get it, but it's like, bro.
01:35.122 --> 01:36.705
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, congratulations to you.
01:36.725 --> 01:37.848
[SPEAKER_00]: You are less pathetic now.
01:38.148 --> 01:38.669
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no good.
01:38.850 --> 01:42.137
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a positive thing and then look, do you need to work use the word pathetic?
01:42.698 --> 01:43.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
01:44.081 --> 01:48.310
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you've been called things a lot worse than the word pathetic, especially in like basic seal training.
01:48.330 --> 01:50.835
[SPEAKER_00]: They're telling you you know all kinds of.
01:50.815 --> 01:55.161
[SPEAKER_00]: Warms that are way worse than pathetic, but here's the thing, man.
01:55.842 --> 02:05.014
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what you should actually just focus on and to answer the question of how can you struggle so hard?
02:05.314 --> 02:11.743
[SPEAKER_00]: Well it's because you're focusing on the wrong thing, you need to focus on where you're going and what you're doing good.
02:11.723 --> 02:12.745
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't.
02:12.765 --> 02:21.323
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're constantly looking at all the mistakes that you've made and all the times you lack discipline and all the places where you went off the path, that's not helpful.
02:22.285 --> 02:23.247
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not helpful for anyone.
02:23.487 --> 02:25.311
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not helpful for me right now.
02:25.595 --> 02:34.531
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you about a freaking house that I should have bought in 1993 that if I would have bought this house in 1993, maybe it's 1994.
02:34.591 --> 02:40.862
[SPEAKER_00]: If I would have bought that house in 1994, I would be a freaking real estate mogul right now.
02:41.843 --> 02:42.424
[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
02:43.366 --> 02:44.929
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about that probably once a year.
02:46.091 --> 02:47.052
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't dwell on it.
02:47.753 --> 02:49.797
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I did do?
02:49.777 --> 02:51.120
[SPEAKER_00]: in 1998 about a house.
02:51.480 --> 02:54.847
[SPEAKER_00]: It took me another five years before I was like, okay, I got about a house.
02:56.611 --> 02:58.855
[SPEAKER_00]: But that five years is a big time frame.
02:59.977 --> 03:08.815
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you take away the compounding progress I would have made by buying a house five years earlier in a clutch zone,
03:10.381 --> 03:11.062
[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
03:11.463 --> 03:12.485
[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been a game changer.
03:14.649 --> 03:20.399
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad used to work on computers in the early 80s, early 80s.
03:21.261 --> 03:21.361
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We had a Commodore Vic 20 if you ever heard of that before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have.
03:24.640 --> 03:42.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not the Vic 20 part, but the first one they made was called a Vic 20 and my dad got a Commodore Vic 20 And I think it came with two point four kilobytes of memory and then we had a cartridge that brought it up to like eight kilobytes of memory
03:45.160 --> 03:55.965
[SPEAKER_00]: and I remember I was at school and when you turned on the computer at school it's like came up with a screen and it said like M.S.
03:56.006 --> 03:56.407
[SPEAKER_00]: Dawes.
03:57.269 --> 03:57.750
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
03:59.113 --> 04:02.140
[SPEAKER_00]: That computer was a Texas instrument.
04:02.845 --> 04:10.835
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I came home, and I was on a Commodore Vic 20, and you turned it on, it said, MSDOS.
04:10.855 --> 04:16.863
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember asking my dad, hey dad, why do both these computers that are made by different companies?
04:17.244 --> 04:21.910
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like 10 years old, 11 years old, maybe 12 years old, these computers are made by different companies.
04:22.591 --> 04:24.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do they both say MSDOS?
04:24.894 --> 04:26.676
[SPEAKER_00]: What is MSDOS?
04:26.656 --> 04:30.364
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, that's Microsoft disk operating system.
04:30.925 --> 04:31.867
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, what's that?
04:32.869 --> 04:37.237
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, it's the thing inside the computer that makes it all work.
04:39.462 --> 04:43.450
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, that seems like it's a good company.
04:44.712 --> 04:46.895
[SPEAKER_00]: And if my dad would have said, yeah, you know what, you're right.
04:46.955 --> 04:51.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's buy a hundred dollars worth of stock, the whole life would be different.
04:51.821 --> 04:53.002
[SPEAKER_00]: Different from you know what I'm saying.
04:53.983 --> 04:55.785
[SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't buy that brutal.
04:57.147 --> 04:58.849
[SPEAKER_00]: So am I dwelling on that?
04:59.530 --> 05:00.531
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not throwing on that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking about what we're doing here, what we're doing now, what we're going to do in the future.
05:05.077 --> 05:05.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I learn from that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Learn from that.
05:07.099 --> 05:08.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I learn from the real estate gig?
05:08.701 --> 05:09.362
[SPEAKER_00]: It's learned from it.
05:09.922 --> 05:13.707
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's nothing wrong with learning from things in the past, but we don't want to, we don't want to.
05:13.687 --> 05:22.459
[SPEAKER_00]: to focus on the things that we've done in the past, focus on where we were, focus on what we could have been, like none of those things help you.
05:23.140 --> 05:23.981
[SPEAKER_00]: They're freaking waste.
05:25.484 --> 05:27.406
[SPEAKER_00]: The actions that you're doing right now, those are real.
05:28.308 --> 05:28.828
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's real.
05:30.250 --> 05:33.875
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing right now, that's real.
05:35.438 --> 05:37.180
[SPEAKER_00]: And no one can call you
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lazy when you're taking action and no one can call you pathetic when you're taking action No one can call you pathetic when you're improving no one can call you pathetic when you've taken ownership of your life And you're making things happen when that's a situation.
05:51.605 --> 05:54.250
[SPEAKER_00]: You're in doesn't matter What am I doing right now?
05:54.270 --> 06:03.606
[SPEAKER_00]: You call me pathetic you call me pathetic cool look what I'm doing right now I am I am factually not pathetic because I'm in the game Now
06:05.645 --> 06:09.530
[SPEAKER_00]: when I talk about people can't call you that, it includes you.
06:10.511 --> 06:16.819
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're taking action and you're doing the things you're supposed to be doing, you can't call yourself pathetic, what do you mean pathetic?
06:16.839 --> 06:22.947
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here doing planks right now, and I'm getting stronger, and I'm getting fitter, and I'm getting better, and I'm disciplining my mind, and I'm disciplining my body.
06:24.890 --> 06:26.391
[SPEAKER_00]: You control the voices in your head.
06:27.333 --> 06:28.474
[SPEAKER_00]: You get to tell it what to say.
06:29.856 --> 06:31.037
[SPEAKER_00]: You dictate the situation.
06:31.618 --> 06:33.120
[SPEAKER_00]: You dictate the words you wanna hear.
06:35.412 --> 06:36.454
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where you got to be at.
06:39.018 --> 06:41.001
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no pathetic activities going on here.
06:41.281 --> 06:46.770
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot simultaneously be pathetic and working out at the same time, you can't do it.
06:47.251 --> 06:48.453
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do it, it's impossible.
06:49.494 --> 06:50.716
[SPEAKER_00]: So keep it.
06:50.736 --> 06:57.367
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
06:57.447 --> 06:58.669
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to continue to listen,
07:00.252 --> 07:28.875
[SPEAKER_00]: go to jockelunderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control
07:28.855 --> 07:48.037
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us and to do that, we are building a website right now where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
07:48.418 --> 07:51.161
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, it's jockelunderground.com.
07:51.501 --> 07:57.208
[SPEAKER_00]: It costs $8 and $18 a month and if you can't afford to support
07:57.897 --> 08:10.354
[SPEAKER_00]: We can still support you, just email assistance at jockelonagram.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.
00:00.031 --> 00:04.200
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 186 sitting here with echo Charles.
00:04.220 --> 00:17.048
[SPEAKER_00]: We've got a bunch of very interesting questions from you all and we will provide answers in some cases recommended courses of action in other cases and maybe just overall guidance.
00:17.409 --> 00:18.411
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's where we're up.
00:18.391 --> 00:19.392
[SPEAKER_01]: helpful guidance.
00:19.753 --> 00:20.273
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes indeed.
00:20.634 --> 00:21.054
[SPEAKER_01]: First question.
00:21.094 --> 00:21.475
[SPEAKER_01]: Good evening.
00:22.456 --> 00:26.180
[SPEAKER_01]: I listen to your podcast a lot and it helps me stay disciplined in many areas of my life.
00:26.200 --> 00:33.709
[SPEAKER_01]: In my mid 20s and after starting to work out consistently for the first time in seven years I decided to increase the plank time.
00:34.290 --> 00:37.093
[SPEAKER_01]: I was doing by 10 seconds after about a week and a half.
00:37.213 --> 00:43.441
[SPEAKER_01]: So plank is like, you know, when you go in your elbows your feet, you know, your rigid, you know, you time yourself.
00:43.521 --> 00:44.702
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a thing.
00:44.682 --> 00:54.034
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, so, for we can have K the first time I tried this, I found myself engaging in all this negative self-talk like, wow, congratulations, are castically.
00:54.054 --> 00:58.099
[SPEAKER_01]: You're now 10 seconds of flanking less pathetic than you were a week ago.
00:58.580 --> 01:06.770
[SPEAKER_01]: My question is, why can some of us struggle so hard to be happy with growth and acknowledge when we are acting with disciplining commitment?
01:07.171 --> 01:14.520
[SPEAKER_01]: In other ways, as well, I'm beyond my flanking, sincerely and with appreciation.
01:15.108 --> 01:25.466
[SPEAKER_00]: I was kind of wondering how that was negative until you read it in the sarcastic voice, you know, because in my mind it's like, oh yeah, you actually are better than you were a week ago.
01:25.666 --> 01:35.142
[SPEAKER_00]: No, he said less pathetic, so I'm saying like, yeah, yeah, I get it, but it's like, bro.
01:35.122 --> 01:36.705
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, congratulations to you.
01:36.725 --> 01:37.848
[SPEAKER_00]: You are less pathetic now.
01:38.148 --> 01:38.669
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, no good.
01:38.850 --> 01:42.137
[SPEAKER_00]: Like that's a positive thing and then look, do you need to work use the word pathetic?
01:42.698 --> 01:43.379
[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not.
01:44.081 --> 01:48.310
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you've been called things a lot worse than the word pathetic, especially in like basic seal training.
01:48.330 --> 01:50.835
[SPEAKER_00]: They're telling you you know all kinds of.
01:50.815 --> 01:55.161
[SPEAKER_00]: Warms that are way worse than pathetic, but here's the thing, man.
01:55.842 --> 02:05.014
[SPEAKER_00]: I think what you should actually just focus on and to answer the question of how can you struggle so hard?
02:05.314 --> 02:11.743
[SPEAKER_00]: Well it's because you're focusing on the wrong thing, you need to focus on where you're going and what you're doing good.
02:11.723 --> 02:12.745
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't.
02:12.765 --> 02:21.323
[SPEAKER_00]: If you're constantly looking at all the mistakes that you've made and all the times you lack discipline and all the places where you went off the path, that's not helpful.
02:22.285 --> 02:23.247
[SPEAKER_00]: That's not helpful for anyone.
02:23.487 --> 02:25.311
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not helpful for me right now.
02:25.595 --> 02:34.531
[SPEAKER_00]: I can tell you about a freaking house that I should have bought in 1993 that if I would have bought this house in 1993, maybe it's 1994.
02:34.591 --> 02:40.862
[SPEAKER_00]: If I would have bought that house in 1994, I would be a freaking real estate mogul right now.
02:41.843 --> 02:42.424
[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
02:43.366 --> 02:44.929
[SPEAKER_00]: I think about that probably once a year.
02:46.091 --> 02:47.052
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't dwell on it.
02:47.753 --> 02:49.797
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I did do?
02:49.777 --> 02:51.120
[SPEAKER_00]: in 1998 about a house.
02:51.480 --> 02:54.847
[SPEAKER_00]: It took me another five years before I was like, okay, I got about a house.
02:56.611 --> 02:58.855
[SPEAKER_00]: But that five years is a big time frame.
02:59.977 --> 03:08.815
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when you take away the compounding progress I would have made by buying a house five years earlier in a clutch zone,
03:10.381 --> 03:11.062
[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
03:11.463 --> 03:12.485
[SPEAKER_00]: It could have been a game changer.
03:14.649 --> 03:20.399
[SPEAKER_00]: My dad used to work on computers in the early 80s, early 80s.
03:21.261 --> 03:21.361
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
03:21.381 --> 03:23.685
[SPEAKER_00]: We had a Commodore Vic 20 if you ever heard of that before.
03:23.805 --> 03:24.306
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have.
03:24.640 --> 03:42.177
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, not the Vic 20 part, but the first one they made was called a Vic 20 and my dad got a Commodore Vic 20 And I think it came with two point four kilobytes of memory and then we had a cartridge that brought it up to like eight kilobytes of memory
03:45.160 --> 03:55.965
[SPEAKER_00]: and I remember I was at school and when you turned on the computer at school it's like came up with a screen and it said like M.S.
03:56.006 --> 03:56.407
[SPEAKER_00]: Dawes.
03:57.269 --> 03:57.750
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
03:59.113 --> 04:02.140
[SPEAKER_00]: That computer was a Texas instrument.
04:02.845 --> 04:10.835
[SPEAKER_00]: And when I came home, and I was on a Commodore Vic 20, and you turned it on, it said, MSDOS.
04:10.855 --> 04:16.863
[SPEAKER_00]: And I remember asking my dad, hey dad, why do both these computers that are made by different companies?
04:17.244 --> 04:21.910
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like 10 years old, 11 years old, maybe 12 years old, these computers are made by different companies.
04:22.591 --> 04:24.774
[SPEAKER_00]: Why do they both say MSDOS?
04:24.894 --> 04:26.676
[SPEAKER_00]: What is MSDOS?
04:26.656 --> 04:30.364
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, oh, that's Microsoft disk operating system.
04:30.925 --> 04:31.867
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, what's that?
04:32.869 --> 04:37.237
[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, it's the thing inside the computer that makes it all work.
04:39.462 --> 04:43.450
[SPEAKER_00]: And I said, that seems like it's a good company.
04:44.712 --> 04:46.895
[SPEAKER_00]: And if my dad would have said, yeah, you know what, you're right.
04:46.955 --> 04:51.781
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's buy a hundred dollars worth of stock, the whole life would be different.
04:51.821 --> 04:53.002
[SPEAKER_00]: Different from you know what I'm saying.
04:53.983 --> 04:55.785
[SPEAKER_00]: But we didn't buy that brutal.
04:57.147 --> 04:58.849
[SPEAKER_00]: So am I dwelling on that?
04:59.530 --> 05:00.531
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm not throwing on that.
05:01.112 --> 05:05.057
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm thinking about what we're doing here, what we're doing now, what we're going to do in the future.
05:05.077 --> 05:05.878
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I learn from that?
05:06.038 --> 05:06.278
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
05:06.418 --> 05:06.959
[SPEAKER_00]: Learn from that.
05:07.099 --> 05:08.461
[SPEAKER_00]: Did I learn from the real estate gig?
05:08.701 --> 05:09.362
[SPEAKER_00]: It's learned from it.
05:09.922 --> 05:13.707
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's nothing wrong with learning from things in the past, but we don't want to, we don't want to.
05:13.687 --> 05:22.459
[SPEAKER_00]: to focus on the things that we've done in the past, focus on where we were, focus on what we could have been, like none of those things help you.
05:23.140 --> 05:23.981
[SPEAKER_00]: They're freaking waste.
05:25.484 --> 05:27.406
[SPEAKER_00]: The actions that you're doing right now, those are real.
05:28.308 --> 05:28.828
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what's real.
05:30.250 --> 05:33.875
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you're doing the thing that you're supposed to be doing right now, that's real.
05:35.438 --> 05:37.180
[SPEAKER_00]: And no one can call you
05:37.902 --> 05:51.585
[SPEAKER_00]: Lazy when you're taking action and no one can call you pathetic when you're taking action No one can call you pathetic when you're improving no one can call you pathetic when you've taken ownership of your life And you're making things happen when that's a situation.
05:51.605 --> 05:54.250
[SPEAKER_00]: You're in doesn't matter What am I doing right now?
05:54.270 --> 06:03.606
[SPEAKER_00]: You call me pathetic you call me pathetic cool look what I'm doing right now I am I am factually not pathetic because I'm in the game Now
06:05.645 --> 06:09.530
[SPEAKER_00]: when I talk about people can't call you that, it includes you.
06:10.511 --> 06:16.819
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're taking action and you're doing the things you're supposed to be doing, you can't call yourself pathetic, what do you mean pathetic?
06:16.839 --> 06:22.947
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here doing planks right now, and I'm getting stronger, and I'm getting fitter, and I'm getting better, and I'm disciplining my mind, and I'm disciplining my body.
06:24.890 --> 06:26.391
[SPEAKER_00]: You control the voices in your head.
06:27.333 --> 06:28.474
[SPEAKER_00]: You get to tell it what to say.
06:29.856 --> 06:31.037
[SPEAKER_00]: You dictate the situation.
06:31.618 --> 06:33.120
[SPEAKER_00]: You dictate the words you wanna hear.
06:35.412 --> 06:36.454
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where you got to be at.
06:39.018 --> 06:41.001
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no pathetic activities going on here.
06:41.281 --> 06:46.770
[SPEAKER_00]: You cannot simultaneously be pathetic and working out at the same time, you can't do it.
06:47.251 --> 06:48.453
[SPEAKER_00]: You can't do it, it's impossible.
06:49.494 --> 06:50.716
[SPEAKER_00]: So keep it.
06:50.736 --> 06:57.367
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
06:57.447 --> 06:58.669
[SPEAKER_00]: So if you want to continue to listen,
07:00.252 --> 07:28.875
[SPEAKER_00]: go to jockelunderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this, we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way but we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control
07:28.855 --> 07:48.037
[SPEAKER_00]: And we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us and to do that, we are building a website right now where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
07:48.418 --> 07:51.161
[SPEAKER_00]: So thank you, it's jockelunderground.com.
07:51.501 --> 07:57.208
[SPEAKER_00]: It costs $8 and $18 a month and if you can't afford to support
07:57.897 --> 08:10.354
[SPEAKER_00]: We can still support you, just email assistance at jockelonagram.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.