Oct. 5, 2026
Jocko Underground: My View on Non-Combatant Military Members | How to Get Your Life Back
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 231, sitting here with Echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some questions from the front lines, from the trenches, and we will provide answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps we will provide guidance, and at a minimum, we will provide some courses of action that you can execute in order to navigate properly through whatever challenges you are facing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Begin small by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big and small children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question related to non-combatants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I come from a church background whose conviction is opposed to killing other human beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do understand the need for government and military action in the evil world in which we live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do not condemn those who take up the sword.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our position during the Korean and Vietnam wars was that we would serve in the military as non-combatants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were granted to A, or sorry, granted to one A, oh, status.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A typical example is a man named Gary Mybach, who was with the ninth infantry division in the Mekong Delta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My question, Elliot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My question is whether those of you
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[SPEAKER_01]: who are combatants view the service of these men as honorable or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My father is a veteran and I attend church services with men who served in Vietnam as combat medics to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the salt of the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I agree with you, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably true about 99% of combatants, war fighters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Mybach, Maybach is a great example of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He proved extraordinarily courageous soldier who routinely placed himself in harm's way to render aid to his wounded comrades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when when when I think of that when I think of what he's done, I don't think of him as a conscious subjector.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think of him as a one-a-o status.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think of hero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I salute everyone who serves your country, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: From teachers to state department, police, fire law enforcement, and certainly I definitely salute those who put their lives at risk for our nation and put their lives at risk for their brothers in arms and sisters in arms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yes, I, and I would say the vast majority of other, you know, combatants view these types of heroes as absolutely honorable and we're grateful for their service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet a lot of people, probably the most people have heard of Desmond Doss, he's a conscientious projector.
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[SPEAKER_00]: metal of honor recipient.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not the only one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thomas W. Bennett, conscious subjector, who repeatedly ran into fields under weathering fire to pull wounded soldiers to safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was wounded severely and
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[SPEAKER_00]: was also awarded the Medal of Honor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joseph G. Lapoint, another one, crawled through heavy enemy fire to treat wounded soldiers to them, and as he was treating them, they were under attack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He shielded them with his own body, eventually an enemy grenade killed all three of them, but he was also posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and these are just some examples of the types of heroes that have been conscientious objectives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, thanks to those guys that served, obviously, and yes, do we view them as honorably?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I absolutely do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we, because I, you know, I hear about this and there's like movies and stuff made of what the one with the Andrew Garfield, I think his name is, where he's like, non-combatant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are different categories of none, because you said conscious is just objectors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the same as non-combatant or is it just one type of non-combatant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it a conscious objector?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is someone that is a non of like a voluntary non-combatant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: because they're a nurse, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not necessarily a relationship director, but they're still in the military and they're in the military, but a conscious subject or someone that is eligible to fight, but choose is not to fight, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like as they object to killing someone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet they still step up and as you can see in these examples they rest their lives for their for their country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go and do other stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these guys are all medics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you wouldn't necessarily be a medic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's other, there's other conscientious objectives that my work in supplier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They might work in, you know, the mess hall and serving people or they, it's just real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's real obvious for them to go into medical, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's such like you're going to not just not kill someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to help people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, okay, that makes sense because it's like a distinct differentiation like you can be a medic and still You know like fight versus okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's crazy
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, next question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have three-year-old son who is already doing math and reading, but is very different than his peers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's being evaluated for autism and is special and is a special baby genius.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Out of pre-school meeting last week, I saw other kids starting to make fun of it and crushed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm afraid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I help him and also me with navigating this as his dad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look, first of all, I think it's really important to know and understand that all kids get made fun of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know to me, like all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My kids got made fun of, I got made fun of, you got made fun of, I would hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a bowl haircut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a big giant gap between my front two teeth still do, but it was even more pronounced when I was younger So I would catch some some some heavies on that one, but whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like a little skinny when I was you know I mean you're just like they're gonna find it and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that helps kids out when they know that everyone goes through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that you're not the only one that people are going to make fun of, like this one's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think just, you know, saying, oh yeah, people make fun of each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, it's not nice, but just a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of people do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, you know, everyone's just trying to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be mean sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes they're mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like just having those kind of conversations, I think healthspeople, but it can't kind of remember three year old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a three year old's not going to compute a lot of this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, there's a question whether he really computed when people are making fun of them that what they mean by that like what they they trying to insult them was the insult like there's a bunch of things going there
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that being said, just knowing that other, that kids are mean and make fun of each other, that doesn't necessarily solve everything here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember how my kids a few times got like there, they were hurt sometimes when they got made fun of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially I would say my daughters, my son was like, too, like, just not caring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the girls, you know, you'd see, and I remember thinking, you know, this is when they're in, you know, second grade, first grade, something like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, you know, thinking to myself, oh, this is their whole world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't say like, well, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, those are the cares of the some kid makes me want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want
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[SPEAKER_00]: and was that mean trustless, respect, influence, and care, then you can have real conversations with him about things like, why are people teasing you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's because people are insecure and they like to make fun of other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everyone's different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's got their little radio sequences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people have some, some people have others, some people are more extreme, but everybody's
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can have that conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have the conversation that people can be mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can still be nice even when people are mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can still be nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why are people mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's because they're mean inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 231, sitting here with Echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some questions from the front lines, from the trenches, and we will provide answers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Perhaps we will provide guidance, and at a minimum, we will provide some courses of action that you can execute in order to navigate properly through whatever challenges you are facing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Begin small by the way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big and small children.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They all don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a question related to non-combatants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I come from a church background whose conviction is opposed to killing other human beings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We do understand the need for government and military action in the evil world in which we live.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we do not condemn those who take up the sword.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Our position during the Korean and Vietnam wars was that we would serve in the military as non-combatants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we were granted to A, or sorry, granted to one A, oh, status.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A typical example is a man named Gary Mybach, who was with the ninth infantry division in the Mekong Delta.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My question, Elliot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My question is whether those of you
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[SPEAKER_01]: who are combatants view the service of these men as honorable or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My father is a veteran and I attend church services with men who served in Vietnam as combat medics to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're the salt of the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I agree with you, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's probably true about 99% of combatants, war fighters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Gary Mybach, Maybach is a great example of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He proved extraordinarily courageous soldier who routinely placed himself in harm's way to render aid to his wounded comrades.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, when when when I think of that when I think of what he's done, I don't think of him as a conscious subjector.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think of him as a one-a-o status.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just think of hero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I salute everyone who serves your country, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: From teachers to state department, police, fire law enforcement, and certainly I definitely salute those who put their lives at risk for our nation and put their lives at risk for their brothers in arms and sisters in arms.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, yes, I, and I would say the vast majority of other, you know, combatants view these types of heroes as absolutely honorable and we're grateful for their service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I bet a lot of people, probably the most people have heard of Desmond Doss, he's a conscientious projector.
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[SPEAKER_00]: metal of honor recipient.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he's not the only one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thomas W. Bennett, conscious subjector, who repeatedly ran into fields under weathering fire to pull wounded soldiers to safety.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was wounded severely and
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[SPEAKER_00]: was also awarded the Medal of Honor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joseph G. Lapoint, another one, crawled through heavy enemy fire to treat wounded soldiers to them, and as he was treating them, they were under attack.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He shielded them with his own body, eventually an enemy grenade killed all three of them, but he was also posthumously awarded the Medal of Honor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and these are just some examples of the types of heroes that have been conscientious objectives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with that, thanks to those guys that served, obviously, and yes, do we view them as honorably?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that I absolutely do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Do we, because I, you know, I hear about this and there's like movies and stuff made of what the one with the Andrew Garfield, I think his name is, where he's like, non-combatant.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are different categories of none, because you said conscious is just objectors.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the same as non-combatant or is it just one type of non-combatant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or is it a conscious objector?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is someone that is a non of like a voluntary non-combatant?
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[SPEAKER_00]: because they're a nurse, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not necessarily a relationship director, but they're still in the military and they're in the military, but a conscious subject or someone that is eligible to fight, but choose is not to fight, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like as they object to killing someone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet they still step up and as you can see in these examples they rest their lives for their for their country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they go and do other stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like they help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, these guys are all medics.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you wouldn't necessarily be a medic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's other, there's other conscientious objectives that my work in supplier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They might work in, you know, the mess hall and serving people or they, it's just real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's real obvious for them to go into medical, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because that's such like you're going to not just not kill someone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to help people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, okay, that makes sense because it's like a distinct differentiation like you can be a medic and still You know like fight versus okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That makes sense now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's crazy
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, next question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jocker.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have three-year-old son who is already doing math and reading, but is very different than his peers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's being evaluated for autism and is special and is a special baby genius.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Out of pre-school meeting last week, I saw other kids starting to make fun of it and crushed me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm afraid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I help him and also me with navigating this as his dad?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, look, first of all, I think it's really important to know and understand that all kids get made fun of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know to me, like all of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My kids got made fun of, I got made fun of, you got made fun of, I would hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a bowl haircut.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a big giant gap between my front two teeth still do, but it was even more pronounced when I was younger So I would catch some some some heavies on that one, but whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like a little skinny when I was you know I mean you're just like they're gonna find it and
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that helps kids out when they know that everyone goes through it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that you're not the only one that people are going to make fun of, like this one's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think just, you know, saying, oh yeah, people make fun of each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, you know, it's not nice, but just a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, a lot of people do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, you know, everyone's just trying to have fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be mean sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes they're mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, like just having those kind of conversations, I think healthspeople, but it can't kind of remember three year old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like a three year old's not going to compute a lot of this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, there's a question whether he really computed when people are making fun of them that what they mean by that like what they they trying to insult them was the insult like there's a bunch of things going there
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that being said, just knowing that other, that kids are mean and make fun of each other, that doesn't necessarily solve everything here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember how my kids a few times got like there, they were hurt sometimes when they got made fun of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially I would say my daughters, my son was like, too, like, just not caring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the girls, you know, you'd see, and I remember thinking, you know, this is when they're in, you know, second grade, first grade, something like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember, you know, thinking to myself, oh, this is their whole world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you can't say like, well, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, those are the cares of the some kid makes me want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want to want
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[SPEAKER_00]: and was that mean trustless, respect, influence, and care, then you can have real conversations with him about things like, why are people teasing you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's because people are insecure and they like to make fun of other people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oh, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is everyone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, everyone's different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone's got their little radio sequences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some people have some, some people have others, some people are more extreme, but everybody's
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can have that conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can have the conversation that people can be mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we can still be nice even when people are mean.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can still be nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why are people mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's because they're mean inside.
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