Aug. 11, 2025
Jocko Underground: My Career Choice is Haunting Me
My Career Choice is Haunting Me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the jockel underground podcast number one seventy seven Sitting here where that coach I was one seventy seven was my basic underwater demolition seal class just FYI one seven seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your number in the back here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hit tell me whatever there's no number you have your name Willink, but the number on my humble is one seven seven
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone, is that how it is now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone doesn't say how number now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it's been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go to class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know, you might be right that way back in the day, in an airborne school, you had like a number that was your assigned specific number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but no, in Buds, you, for the whole time that I've known, you put your Buds class number on your helmet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mine was one seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when they talk about like with JB's talking about, you know, her and Flanard like doing something, cleaning the helmet over the weekend and making sure that number is just the class number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has the same number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everyone has a same number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, same number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mine was one seven seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, two, seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wheeling gun the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still got, you know, some bros from one, seven, seven that still hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll like sign off a text like sevens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's pretty funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But right on, let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's answer some questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try and give some people some guidance, some direction, some advice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we got?
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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I served in the army for seven years, including the deployment to the Alombar province, in the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: where the three dash final night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Retavic on a kid's AQIZ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, I see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll hide in Iraq.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm proud of my time in the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, towards the beginning of my service, I failed special forces selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later, my enlistment, I trained up to return to SFS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but then at the last minute, decided to ETS was ETS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and SFS is special forces assessment selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the ETS like stand for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, life at the end of time service and it's worth service or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I decided to ETS and marry my girlfriend, who I'm married to today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a good career, solid marriage, four kids, great friends, and still get after it daily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I'm occasionally haunted by the green parade ever earned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever had something that you did not achieve that lives in your mind and distracts you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is a good mental model to deal with this and keep it from taking me off the path?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, thanks to your service in the third of the five-on- ninth man, what a story unit, Geronimo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And during that deployment, that O-Six-O-S-O-S-Event deployment, working in Felusia, working in Karma, additional work in Babbled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys upheld.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys completely upheld the outstanding reputation, the historical reputation that your forefathers built.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you guys fought hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you faced ID's more snipers to all nine yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you in your battalion took significant casualties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You lost some heroic soldiers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that your unit received the Valorist unit award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the citation for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a little quote from the citation from your Valorist Union Award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Operating outside the wire, the pair troopers encountered many obstacles, including fire fights with insurgents and provides explosive devices, car bombs, and explicitly form projectiles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also captured numerous suspects, extremists, and terrorists considered to be high value targets, performing countless operations day and night on the ground and by air assaults throughout their deployment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many of the pair troopers receive decoration for valor achievement and combat wounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brother, you may not have earned the green beret, but trust me, you earned your place as a warrior as a patriot and as a man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did everything that we did as seals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, that's like, at a minimum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's green braise and seals and rangers that have never even seen combat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's green braise rangers and seals that definitely didn't see as much as you did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you should be damn proud of what you were able to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you were lucky to be able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like you came home in one piece, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and just be proud of that man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, the special forces is an outstanding community and they're outstanding at their job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At their specific job, you'll see something that I explained when, like, for in a seal platoon, there's officers and there's enlisted guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the officer's job, he look, he's in the leadership position, but his job is to, like, help oversee the briefing, help make the calls in this situation, help do risk assessments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the radioman's job, he has a job too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: help get the communications plan ready help prep all the radio make communications when it's time to talk to somebody and the medic has a job hey make sure you know what the cast of act plan like everyone has a job and all those jobs are important and no job is more important than the other job and so special forces a special forces green braids are outstanding at their job
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an outstanding community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The third of the five old ninth is an outstanding unit and you're outstanding at their job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you did your job in an outstanding unit in an outstanding way you performed outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you asked something like, does there anything?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was regretter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything I didn't achieve due.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we all look back and wish we did more, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You always wish back, wish, you could go back and do more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've said before in similar situations to the topic that you're bringing up is like, you know, when I would have felt like I did enough when I was dead on the battlefield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you only did enough if, I would only feel like I did enough if I was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I'm, I'm being facetious, but that's the feeling, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do I wish I could have done more?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did what I could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you did what the nation needed you to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and above and beyond what the nation needed you to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be proud, keep living an awesome life as a husband, as a dad, and as an upstanding member of society who earned this freedom, who fought for this freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and paid for this freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Through selfless service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you've done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be proud of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you weren't a green bray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hackworth wasn't a green bray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chester Pollard wasn't a green bray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lewis Pollard wasn't a green.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no factor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no factor at all, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You done good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be proud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand this, but any, so I used to play football, you know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in a lot of ways playing football on a football team is like a good analogy for this kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like any time you have a group of people trying to like achieve something because everyone on the football like each position has a very specific job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's for specific reason and those positions are based on people's specific capabilities and attributes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get receivers on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're usually fast and can catch and all this stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And down the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we can kind of run into let's okay so you know what you know football right so you know what a line man is right you know an offensive line man is okay so you compare in a whole line right we'll say a guard or a tackle say a guard actually a tackle right oh tackle and then you compare that to a white receiver or a quarterback
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Montana, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quarterback, like the famous guys getting throwing touchdown passes, receivers making touchdowns, three touchdowns in a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody holding a mug, you know, making the game winning catch, or the throw, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the tackle is doing such an important job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally, like the tackles in the line, if they don't do a good job, you don't win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't score, you don't, the, the game, like you cannot win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course that goes for everyone down the line, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But from the outside the tackle's job is not glorious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't get the cool limelight and the cool like freaking glitter and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Similar to like the Navy SEALs it went in and I got all this whatever and you always say just like I say like hey you had a job to do and you did your job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know even like I don't know the logistics guy or something right he did his job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's kind of the same deal, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the logistics guys, if they don't do a good job, you jam up the whole system and we cannot win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes when we don't get the glory, you know, I'm in Otaku around like a seven second freaking forty forty yard dash and you know, I didn't make the receiver, you know, like the position, the depth chart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they put me at tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like one of the best tackles ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like freaking never missed a block level block, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had these dreams of being a wide receiver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never caught a touchdown in my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel regretful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So crazy that sounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that limelight kind of gets in your eyes a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even think I'm not going to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to pin the hair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted the limelight on this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably just feels like he
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[SPEAKER_00]: could have offered more and plus he he didn't make it when he did go you know what I'm saying I'm free what would he say he failed he failed special forces election so like It's one of those things you always want which can't have types of scenarios we got some of that going on
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and limelight, I know, and that myth came off a little bit in a, you know, like not congruent or whatever, but it's, it's in the analogy though, because let's say it's special forces, like freaking sucks, special for that some cool stuff to the public eye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's limelight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the limelight I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He deserves more medals than you because he was more important and he's got, you know, it's like it's lit slightly different than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying from a perspective, it's more of an idea from a very specific perspective as what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think for him, he just, I think a little bit of this is just,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the jockel underground podcast number one seventy seven Sitting here where that coach I was one seventy seven was my basic underwater demolition seal class just FYI one seven seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What was your number in the back here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hit tell me whatever there's no number you have your name Willink, but the number on my humble is one seven seven
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone, is that how it is now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everyone doesn't say how number now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how it's been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I don't know bad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't go to class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you know, you might be right that way back in the day, in an airborne school, you had like a number that was your assigned specific number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but no, in Buds, you, for the whole time that I've known, you put your Buds class number on your helmet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mine was one seven.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so when they talk about like with JB's talking about, you know, her and Flanard like doing something, cleaning the helmet over the weekend and making sure that number is just the class number.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone has the same number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everyone has a same number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, same number.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Mine was one seven seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One, two, seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wheeling gun the back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still got, you know, some bros from one, seven, seven that still hit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they'll like sign off a text like sevens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's pretty dope.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's pretty funny.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But right on, let's get into it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's answer some questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's try and give some people some guidance, some direction, some advice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we got?
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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I served in the army for seven years, including the deployment to the Alombar province, in the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the year of the
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[SPEAKER_01]: where the three dash final night.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Retavic on a kid's AQIZ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, I see you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll hide in Iraq.
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[UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I'm proud of my time in the military.
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[SPEAKER_01]: However, towards the beginning of my service, I failed special forces selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Later, my enlistment, I trained up to return to SFS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but then at the last minute, decided to ETS was ETS.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Get out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and SFS is special forces assessment selection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is the ETS like stand for?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, life at the end of time service and it's worth service or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so I decided to ETS and marry my girlfriend, who I'm married to today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I have a good career, solid marriage, four kids, great friends, and still get after it daily.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That being said, I'm occasionally haunted by the green parade ever earned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever had something that you did not achieve that lives in your mind and distracts you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What is a good mental model to deal with this and keep it from taking me off the path?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, first of all, thanks to your service in the third of the five-on- ninth man, what a story unit, Geronimo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And during that deployment, that O-Six-O-S-O-S-Event deployment, working in Felusia, working in Karma, additional work in Babbled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys upheld.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys completely upheld the outstanding reputation, the historical reputation that your forefathers built.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I know you guys fought hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you faced ID's more snipers to all nine yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that you in your battalion took significant casualties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You lost some heroic soldiers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know that your unit received the Valorist unit award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the citation for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here's a little quote from the citation from your Valorist Union Award.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Operating outside the wire, the pair troopers encountered many obstacles, including fire fights with insurgents and provides explosive devices, car bombs, and explicitly form projectiles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also captured numerous suspects, extremists, and terrorists considered to be high value targets, performing countless operations day and night on the ground and by air assaults throughout their deployment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many of the pair troopers receive decoration for valor achievement and combat wounds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brother, you may not have earned the green beret, but trust me, you earned your place as a warrior as a patriot and as a man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You did everything that we did as seals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's like, that's like, at a minimum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's green braise and seals and rangers that have never even seen combat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's green braise rangers and seals that definitely didn't see as much as you did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you should be damn proud of what you were able to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you were lucky to be able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You were able to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it sounds like you came home in one piece, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and just be proud of that man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And look, the special forces is an outstanding community and they're outstanding at their job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At their specific job, you'll see something that I explained when, like, for in a seal platoon, there's officers and there's enlisted guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the officer's job, he look, he's in the leadership position, but his job is to, like, help oversee the briefing, help make the calls in this situation, help do risk assessments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the radioman's job, he has a job too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's
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[SPEAKER_00]: help get the communications plan ready help prep all the radio make communications when it's time to talk to somebody and the medic has a job hey make sure you know what the cast of act plan like everyone has a job and all those jobs are important and no job is more important than the other job and so special forces a special forces green braids are outstanding at their job
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an outstanding community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And guess what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The third of the five old ninth is an outstanding unit and you're outstanding at their job.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you did your job in an outstanding unit in an outstanding way you performed outstanding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, you know, you asked something like, does there anything?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, what was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it was regretter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything I didn't achieve due.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we all look back and wish we did more, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, always.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You always wish back, wish, you could go back and do more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've said before in similar situations to the topic that you're bringing up is like, you know, when I would have felt like I did enough when I was dead on the battlefield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you only did enough if, I would only feel like I did enough if I was dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I'm, I'm being facetious, but that's the feeling, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do I wish I could have done more?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I did what I could.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you did what the nation needed you to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You and above and beyond what the nation needed you to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So be proud, keep living an awesome life as a husband, as a dad, and as an upstanding member of society who earned this freedom, who fought for this freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and paid for this freedom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Through selfless service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what you've done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be proud of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The fact that you weren't a green bray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, hackworth wasn't a green bray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chester Pollard wasn't a green bray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lewis Pollard wasn't a green.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like it doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no factor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's no factor at all, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You done good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be proud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I understand this, but any, so I used to play football, you know this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in a lot of ways playing football on a football team is like a good analogy for this kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like any time you have a group of people trying to like achieve something because everyone on the football like each position has a very specific job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's for specific reason and those positions are based on people's specific capabilities and attributes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you get receivers on the outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're usually fast and can catch and all this stuff, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And down the line.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here's the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we can kind of run into let's okay so you know what you know football right so you know what a line man is right you know an offensive line man is okay so you compare in a whole line right we'll say a guard or a tackle say a guard actually a tackle right oh tackle and then you compare that to a white receiver or a quarterback
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[SPEAKER_01]: Joe Montana, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Quarterback, like the famous guys getting throwing touchdown passes, receivers making touchdowns, three touchdowns in a game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everybody holding a mug, you know, making the game winning catch, or the throw, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Meanwhile, the tackle is doing such an important job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally, like the tackles in the line, if they don't do a good job, you don't win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't score, you don't, the, the game, like you cannot win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, of course that goes for everyone down the line, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But from the outside the tackle's job is not glorious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't get the cool limelight and the cool like freaking glitter and all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Similar to like the Navy SEALs it went in and I got all this whatever and you always say just like I say like hey you had a job to do and you did your job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know even like I don't know the logistics guy or something right he did his job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or it's kind of the same deal, bro.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the logistics guys, if they don't do a good job, you jam up the whole system and we cannot win.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But sometimes when we don't get the glory, you know, I'm in Otaku around like a seven second freaking forty forty yard dash and you know, I didn't make the receiver, you know, like the position, the depth chart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they put me at tackle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I was like one of the best tackles ever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like freaking never missed a block level block, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I had these dreams of being a wide receiver.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never caught a touchdown in my whole life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel regretful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So crazy that sounds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But that limelight kind of gets in your eyes a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't even think I'm not going to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to pin the hair.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wanted the limelight on this guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He probably just feels like he
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[SPEAKER_00]: could have offered more and plus he he didn't make it when he did go you know what I'm saying I'm free what would he say he failed he failed special forces election so like It's one of those things you always want which can't have types of scenarios we got some of that going on
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and limelight, I know, and that myth came off a little bit in a, you know, like not congruent or whatever, but it's, it's in the analogy though, because let's say it's special forces, like freaking sucks, special for that some cool stuff to the public eye.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's limelight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's the limelight I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not talking about like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: He deserves more medals than you because he was more important and he's got, you know, it's like it's lit slightly different than that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm saying from a perspective, it's more of an idea from a very specific perspective as what it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think for him, he just, I think a little bit of this is just,
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