June 1, 2026
Jocko Underground: Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World.
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Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World. Could you take a dangerous submission to the limit if you had to? Taking a promotion and more money but stress on the family. Should you move out of your town because of social political reasons? Can't seem to get into the shape I want to be in. Feeling a bit useless after service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the jockel underground podcast number two 16 sitting here with echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some questions from the front lines from where the rubber meets the road And we are going to offer some Suggestions possibly some answers and at a minimum some courses of action you can follow to navigate the maze of life Yeah, as echo Charles puts it true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's correct and very helpful too by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right first question
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in science, or work in the medical field, yet all my life I felt that science alone will not suffice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a spirit within us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some divine beyond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call it what you may, God, or otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I live in a war torn part of the world, events of the last few years made me resent, even hate, whatever God there may be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Not because what happens to me, but because what happens to others and to others children on both sides of the conflict.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My faith in the basic good nature of this life and world is completely shattered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What God can allow such things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If this is the price of paradise, then paradise is lost to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never saw myself as a man of faith until I had it all shattered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My spirit is now broken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm open to ideas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: evil in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And depending on where you are in the world and what is happening, where you are in the world, sometimes evil gets the upper hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that absolutely happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Evil gets the upper hand and there's countless examples of that throughout history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What you're talking about the Holocaust or the Holocaust or the rape of Nan King or the genocide by the Camille Rouge or even stuff like the Jim Jones mass suicide like
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the reason that these things occur is because it's the path of least resistance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the easiest path, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is be able to just set aside your humanity and these things can just feel evil-conflourish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it takes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And oftentimes, once somebody crosses that line, they don't come back from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we are surrounded by that type of environment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to lose sight of the good and it's very easy to become surrounded by darkness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And think that there is going to be no light and perhaps even think that there is no light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I think I and I think everyone at some juncture in our lives asks the question,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this happening or why is a God allowing this to happen and there's I mean there's Theological explanations for this right there's theological explanations where people have answered this question people that study theology
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[SPEAKER_00]: things like free will, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole argument.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the idea that spiritual growth can only occur when people are facing suffering and injustice in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the idea that, yeah, the world is fallen, which is a result of the original sin and spiritual rebellion,
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[SPEAKER_00]: are not active, you know, choices by God, but they're, but the horrific things that we see are the results of our misdeeds.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We own those misdeeds and those misdeeds will flourish until we get to the afterlife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are
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[SPEAKER_00]: theological explanations, which I'm not equipped, and I don't study that kind of thing, and it's a lot to digest, especially when you're facing which you are, you know, war torn area, you are literally facing the horrific dark side of human nature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it can be hard to intellectualize all that with theological answers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you're in that horrific space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's, I want to offer a little bit of a little bit of a simpler idea that I have fallen back on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when I start to get this type of feeling and it's a quote, and give you quote, echo trials.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So shine to good deed in a weary world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you recognize that quote?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, speaking of theology, it's a quote from Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is the boy is, the boy is, he's broken the rules and he's got that speech from Willy Wonka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get nothing, you'll get nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he knows he lost, he knows he messed up, but he decides in that moment to take the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was actually the final test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he puts the little everlasting gob stopper on Willy Wonka's desk or half desk because everything in the room is cut in half and he starts to walk out and Willy Wonka says so shine to good deed in a weary world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says, you know, boy, you won, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the last test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a powerful statement in a movie that surprisingly very deep, but just to give credit where credit is due, that line is actually a version of a line from Shakespeare, play called The Merchant of Venice and Portia who's returning home and she sees this little candle burning in her window as she's returning home and she reflects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on how a very small, seemingly insignificant thing can actually have a massive impact and spread light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she says, how far that little candle throws his beams so shines a good deed in a wicked world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually I, I modified that myself because the the original Shakespeare version doesn't use the term wicked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It uses the term naughty but not at that time in 16.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, whatever, naughty didn't mean what it means now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, you little kid is being naughty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mr. Vess, it didn't mean that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It actually came from the word not, which is zero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it means like morally bankrupt and worthless and corrupt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it, that's what it meant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I substituted for wicked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, the reason I'm saying all this is that I think and I believe that in the darkest of times we have to remember that the smallest deed, the smallest good deed brings light into the world and that light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is going to impact someone somewhere, somehow, that little, that little bit of humanity that we can hold onto and that we can share that, that emanates and it propagates, and to me, that's the human spirit, that's the humane spirit, and we have to make sure that we do not allow that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's up against some, again, the easiest thing is to let that flame go out and go to the dark side, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like Star Wars, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of, are you Star Wars, maniac?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not say maniac enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your brother is, oh, I don't probably say whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm down for some Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, look at the whole story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's the dark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the dark side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Turning the dark side, Anakin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He starts off as all good to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he goes to the dark side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't listen to what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd mean I didn't didn't have my podcast in that level of the empire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't have a mentor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have someone tell him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't keep that humanity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went to the dark side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we, it's on us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not God's responsibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's our
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[SPEAKER_00]: little bit of light that we can bring to the world does not get extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you, it hasn't been extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Despite the despite the absolute horrors that humanity inflicts on itself, there has not been a surrender, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Evil has not triumphed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The world would be a completely different place if it wasn't for this, this, this core goodness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, by every metric it should.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should because it's way easier to take the dark demonic path.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the easier way to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why people talk about doing the right thing is usually the hard thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot easier to do the easy thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the wrong thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people do, clearly, and sometimes whole cultures get wrapped up in that, but we don't have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my recommendation is that you be one of the people that hangs on to that little bit of good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you do everything that you can to be the light where there is darkness, and as much as you possibly can, do good deeds in a weary world, and that's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Willy Wonka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Willy Wonka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the OG one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't even watched the new one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My kid say it's Charlie in the chocolate factory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did Johnny that one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't watched the Johnny that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brother, the old one is so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Gene Wilder is so classic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good amazing movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an amazing movie with an amazing message, but that message right there, man, for real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you talked about the easy path or easy decisions versus our decisions, whatever, which kind of like it dawned upon me and as I indicated to you off and online, that a lot of these things and this is one of them come down to short-term long-term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even when it's like, oh yeah, what's
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[SPEAKER_01]: what's the right decision?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to have to do with the best thing for the most people for the most amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what the right decision is, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So at first, the right decision is hard because the short term benefits for the one person usually or one or two or whatever people is going to be not a benefit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the benefit is going to go for, to more people for a longer amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere in the future, it's like a big, you know, big picture small picture long-term short-term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's usually being, like you can usually narrow it down to that, you can say, even like evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I think, when you say evil doesn't triumph, this is why I think at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it doesn't have the sustainability, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right it evil eventually turns on itself itself exactly problem with it Yeah, you're right and and that's not to mention there's good people doesn't so even if there's a little pockets a good people It I mean Even if the good like the evil overwhelms the good the evil like I you said Kills itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's like that's not like a good sustainable model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You seem saying
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, it's if you ever seen the movie the extra cyst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the opening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I remember I saw that movie when I was a little kid for each of me that I held out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we went down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's legit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the jockel underground podcast number two 16 sitting here with echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have some questions from the front lines from where the rubber meets the road And we are going to offer some Suggestions possibly some answers and at a minimum some courses of action you can follow to navigate the maze of life Yeah, as echo Charles puts it true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's correct and very helpful too by the way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right first question
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[SPEAKER_01]: I believe in science, or work in the medical field, yet all my life I felt that science alone will not suffice.
00:31.284 --> 00:32.345
[SPEAKER_01]: There's a spirit within us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's some divine beyond.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Call it what you may, God, or otherwise.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I live in a war torn part of the world, events of the last few years made me resent, even hate, whatever God there may be.
00:45.496 --> 00:53.202
[SPEAKER_01]: Not because what happens to me, but because what happens to others and to others children on both sides of the conflict.
00:53.642 --> 00:58.205
[SPEAKER_01]: My faith in the basic good nature of this life and world is completely shattered.
00:59.005 --> 01:00.606
[SPEAKER_01]: What God can allow such things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If this is the price of paradise, then paradise is lost to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Never saw myself as a man of faith until I had it all shattered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My spirit is now broken.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm open to ideas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you for your service.
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[SPEAKER_00]: evil in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no doubt about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And depending on where you are in the world and what is happening, where you are in the world, sometimes evil gets the upper hand.
01:39.650 --> 01:41.851
[SPEAKER_00]: that absolutely happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Evil gets the upper hand and there's countless examples of that throughout history.
01:48.672 --> 02:00.395
[SPEAKER_00]: What you're talking about the Holocaust or the Holocaust or the rape of Nan King or the genocide by the Camille Rouge or even stuff like the Jim Jones mass suicide like
02:10.698 --> 02:21.329
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the reason that these things occur is because it's the path of least resistance.
02:22.944 --> 02:24.546
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the easiest path, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's simple.
02:25.626 --> 02:26.507
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't take work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is be able to just set aside your humanity and these things can just feel evil-conflourish.
02:34.955 --> 02:35.595
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all it takes.
02:36.896 --> 02:41.380
[SPEAKER_00]: And oftentimes, once somebody crosses that line, they don't come back from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we are surrounded by that type of environment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very easy to lose sight of the good and it's very easy to become surrounded by darkness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And think that there is going to be no light and perhaps even think that there is no light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yeah, I think I and I think everyone at some juncture in our lives asks the question,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this happening or why is a God allowing this to happen and there's I mean there's Theological explanations for this right there's theological explanations where people have answered this question people that study theology
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[SPEAKER_00]: things like free will, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a whole argument.
03:47.530 --> 03:56.537
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the idea that spiritual growth can only occur when people are facing suffering and injustice in the world.
03:56.978 --> 04:05.965
[SPEAKER_00]: Or the idea that, yeah, the world is fallen, which is a result of the original sin and spiritual rebellion,
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[SPEAKER_00]: are not active, you know, choices by God, but they're, but the horrific things that we see are the results of our misdeeds.
04:25.467 --> 04:41.691
[SPEAKER_00]: We own those misdeeds and those misdeeds will flourish until we get to the afterlife.
04:42.912 --> 04:44.112
[SPEAKER_00]: So there are
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[SPEAKER_00]: theological explanations, which I'm not equipped, and I don't study that kind of thing, and it's a lot to digest, especially when you're facing which you are, you know, war torn area, you are literally facing the horrific dark side of human nature.
05:06.819 --> 05:11.202
[SPEAKER_00]: And it can be hard to intellectualize all that with theological answers,
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[SPEAKER_00]: when you're in that horrific space.
05:20.865 --> 05:32.155
[SPEAKER_00]: So there's, I want to offer a little bit of a little bit of a simpler idea that I have fallen back on.
05:34.604 --> 05:40.010
[SPEAKER_00]: when I start to get this type of feeling and it's a quote, and give you quote, echo trials.
05:41.852 --> 05:44.395
[SPEAKER_00]: So shine to good deed in a weary world.
05:45.436 --> 05:46.357
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you recognize that quote?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, speaking of theology, it's a quote from Willy Wonka in the chocolate factory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens is the boy is, the boy is, he's broken the rules and he's got that speech from Willy Wonka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'll get nothing, you'll get nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he knows he lost, he knows he messed up, but he decides in that moment to take the
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was actually the final test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he puts the little everlasting gob stopper on Willy Wonka's desk or half desk because everything in the room is cut in half and he starts to walk out and Willy Wonka says so shine to good deed in a weary world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he says, you know, boy, you won, you did it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was the last test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a powerful statement in a movie that surprisingly very deep, but just to give credit where credit is due, that line is actually a version of a line from Shakespeare, play called The Merchant of Venice and Portia who's returning home and she sees this little candle burning in her window as she's returning home and she reflects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on how a very small, seemingly insignificant thing can actually have a massive impact and spread light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she says, how far that little candle throws his beams so shines a good deed in a wicked world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And actually I, I modified that myself because the the original Shakespeare version doesn't use the term wicked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It uses the term naughty but not at that time in 16.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, whatever, naughty didn't mean what it means now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh, you little kid is being naughty.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, Mr. Vess, it didn't mean that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It actually came from the word not, which is zero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it means like morally bankrupt and worthless and corrupt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it, that's what it meant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I substituted for wicked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But, the reason I'm saying all this is that I think and I believe that in the darkest of times we have to remember that the smallest deed, the smallest good deed brings light into the world and that light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is going to impact someone somewhere, somehow, that little, that little bit of humanity that we can hold onto and that we can share that, that emanates and it propagates, and to me, that's the human spirit, that's the humane spirit, and we have to make sure that we do not allow that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to be extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's up against some, again, the easiest thing is to let that flame go out and go to the dark side, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You like Star Wars, don't you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of, are you Star Wars, maniac?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would not say maniac enough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Your brother is, oh, I don't probably say whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm down for some Star Wars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, look at the whole story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's the dark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the dark side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Turning the dark side, Anakin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He starts off as all good to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he goes to the dark side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he doesn't listen to what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'd mean I didn't didn't have my podcast in that level of the empire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he didn't have a mentor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have someone tell him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't keep that humanity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went to the dark side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we, it's on us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not God's responsibility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's our
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[SPEAKER_00]: little bit of light that we can bring to the world does not get extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll tell you, it hasn't been extinguished.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Despite the despite the absolute horrors that humanity inflicts on itself, there has not been a surrender, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Evil has not triumphed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The world would be a completely different place if it wasn't for this, this, this core goodness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, by every metric it should.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should because it's way easier to take the dark demonic path.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just the easier way to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why people talk about doing the right thing is usually the hard thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a lot easier to do the easy thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the wrong thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And some people do, clearly, and sometimes whole cultures get wrapped up in that, but we don't have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So my recommendation is that you be one of the people that hangs on to that little bit of good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you do everything that you can to be the light where there is darkness, and as much as you possibly can, do good deeds in a weary world, and that's what I got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Next question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Willy Wonka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Willy Wonka.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the OG one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't even watched the new one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My kid say it's Charlie in the chocolate factory.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did Johnny that one?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I haven't watched the Johnny that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Brother, the old one is so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Gene Wilder is so classic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a good amazing movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an amazing movie with an amazing message, but that message right there, man, for real.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you talked about the easy path or easy decisions versus our decisions, whatever, which kind of like it dawned upon me and as I indicated to you off and online, that a lot of these things and this is one of them come down to short-term long-term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So even when it's like, oh yeah, what's
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[SPEAKER_01]: what's the right decision?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to have to do with the best thing for the most people for the most amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's really what the right decision is, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So at first, the right decision is hard because the short term benefits for the one person usually or one or two or whatever people is going to be not a benefit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the benefit is going to go for, to more people for a longer amount of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Somewhere in the future, it's like a big, you know, big picture small picture long-term short-term.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's usually being, like you can usually narrow it down to that, you can say, even like evil.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this is why I think, when you say evil doesn't triumph, this is why I think at the end of the day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it doesn't have the sustainability, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're right it evil eventually turns on itself itself exactly problem with it Yeah, you're right and and that's not to mention there's good people doesn't so even if there's a little pockets a good people It I mean Even if the good like the evil overwhelms the good the evil like I you said Kills itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's like that's not like a good sustainable model.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You seem saying
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, it's if you ever seen the movie the extra cyst.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like the opening.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I remember I saw that movie when I was a little kid for each of me that I held out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we went down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's real.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's legit.
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