July 13, 2026
Jocko Underground: Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 221, sitting here with Echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have questions from the field, from the front-lives, from the troopers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will provide you with either answers or recommendations or a minimum courses of action to follow, to stay on the path.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Said to be frosty again, a lot of these questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You just take the principle from it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fight yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you got the same question in principle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to be helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're pointing that out to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, first question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chuck,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I was thinking about removing distractions to clear my mind while trying to also stay informed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How do you find a source of truth to what is happening in the world?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that even possible with the mainstream media so divisive and deceptive and big tech, so readily threatening censorship?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank for all you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Really enjoy listening to the new topics on the Underground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, check out Pondcast, Jocco Pondcast number 537.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's called What's Going On, because we really kind of go in depth on this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the bottom line is that everything is a headline right now, everything is spun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They got 24 hour news cycles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in order to get you to pay attention to the news, they give you the most emotional headlines that they can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the most emotional headlines,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The easiest emotions to utilize is number one, fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the easiest one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Make people afraid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Number two, anger.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the, those are the two easiest things to get you spun up and get you emotional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So everything is catastrophic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is, everything is a breaking news story, everything's an urgent report, everything's a major update, everything's an important announcement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is a developing story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the metaphors that I made on podcast 537 is imagine that you're announcing an MMM or you're watching an MMM fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the MMM fight starts and the two fighters go to the center of the cage and one of them throws a jab and misses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now imagine that the an answer goes oh my gosh He missed that jab he's doomed his strategy is terrible I can't believe he didn't train properly his coaches and idiot his career is over because the guy missed one jab We all know that the one jab means almost nothing in a fight almost not nothing but almost nothing
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, the headline from the MMA announcer is that he missed the jab and he's doomed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what we see in the news all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We see just catastrophic emotional headlines blown out of proportion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the first report is always wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and so it was the second report and so it was the third report and so it was the fourth report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all wrong as individual headlines, as individual reports are all wrong because they're only one perspective.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It takes time to gather a bunch of different perspectives and figure a painting more clear picture, not a perfect picture, but a more clear picture.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that you get more perspectives and you is you give a little bit of time and distance from an event happening.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So an easy way to give yourself a little bit of time and give the news a little bit of time to sort itself out is you don't need to check the news every five minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need to check it every 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need to check it every hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need to check it every 24 hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, things are going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to impact you in the news in the next 24 hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you want to check it every once every 24 hours fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One today, seven o'clock at night, give yourself 15 minutes to figure out what the hell is going on in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, 99.9% of the time, none of it's gonna impact you at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, things that can and are going to impact you, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They will start to rise to the surface and you'll start to see them every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, instead of getting lost amongst the bullshit catastrophic headlines that get thrown up, don't allow that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just check your news once a day for 15 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's that crazy of a catastrophic situation, you're going to hear about it again tomorrow in the next day in the next day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But most of the things you won't hear, you're there about a one day and you won't hear about them again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is 24 hour news cycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They make up a bullshit headline every 20 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Catastrophic, crazy, fear, mongering headline is coming at you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So check the news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check some right wing, check some left wing, left wing sources, check some conservative sources, check some liberal sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And don't believe any of them, because they're all full of shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just, you know, get some, try and see if there's any facts in these stories, but you won't know that you won't know the truth in the facts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that you do is over time, time and distance from stories, you'll have an idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: An idea of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You won't know exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We still don't even know what happened in major events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Less news is more news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I'd say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't don't get bogged down on this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all, it's all data.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all just little data points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not true, not facts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just data.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, it's just, it's just, it's just highlights from different sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, some big trust were the person that's out there that's telling it like it is, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't listen any of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, all of them don't listen any of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that over indexing now it is on the entertainment which I I respect that it exists to understand that kind of deviates from like the ideal as far as what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need info on stuff that's happening in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need the info.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you turn on the news, that's something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you point out, very often to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff that you're watching in your phone and on your TV, it's all entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what they call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a sadly ironic, I guess, no matter speaking, is the entertainment part of it works and I said it works and I mean this, where if they don't make it entertainment, if they don't make the headline like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stimulate you in that way or whatever a lot of times we'll be like on that's boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course drunk I'm not gonna look of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the news in a way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You seem saying well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah It's like it's almost like the news channel becomes ineffective because no one's gonna watch it's the same so it's kind of like they have to do it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Toom saying so it's like a little catch 22.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like oh, I hate when they do that But they have to do it and otherwise I ain't gonna watch it so it's like what are you even talking about you know not this guy But I'm just saying you know e for Mattos He he's got his little video YouTube podcast called the Overwatch with e for Mattas
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's totally good to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very unemotional about the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of just stating the facts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a conservative guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to get a conservative slant to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like he's I like I like what he's doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check out a from Mattis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mattos Overwatch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get too crazy on the news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you really want to get nuts, as far as like, no, no, I just want the facts straight up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, stop filtering stuff, uh, polluting these factual things with like your opinion and spin and take and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go and chat GPT.
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[SPEAKER_01]: J-L-I-P-T has spin, bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, but if you ask it not to have any spin, you say, hey, just give me the facts of this case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think it'll just, you think there's a, it'll do spin, just.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen all kinds of bias in chatGPT for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so, but if you, for Mike's right, I don't, I'm not, I'm not looking to that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like news and, you know, that whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I say, hey, don't sugarcoat this thing because I understand it sugarcoat stuff, just by default.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you see the guy on Instagram that has conversations with AI, it just seems so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy just asks it questions and the way that AI responds.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 221, sitting here with Echo Charles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have questions from the field, from the front-lives, from the troopers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we will provide you with either answers or recommendations or a minimum courses of action to follow, to stay on the path.
00:18.690 --> 00:18.990
[SPEAKER_01]: It's true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Said to be frosty again, a lot of these questions.
00:22.313 --> 00:23.995
[SPEAKER_00]: You just take the principle from it.
00:24.876 --> 00:25.457
[SPEAKER_00]: Fight yourself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you got the same question in principle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Same saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's not going to be helpful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trust me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're pointing that out to everybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm here to tell you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, first question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chuck,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I was thinking about removing distractions to clear my mind while trying to also stay informed.
00:43.773 --> 00:47.276
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you find a source of truth to what is happening in the world?
00:48.177 --> 00:56.923
[SPEAKER_00]: Is that even possible with the mainstream media so divisive and deceptive and big tech, so readily threatening censorship?
00:58.043 --> 00:58.764
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank for all you do.
00:59.144 --> 01:01.566
[SPEAKER_00]: Really enjoy listening to the new topics on the Underground.
01:04.498 --> 01:07.759
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, first of all, check out Pondcast, Jocco Pondcast number 537.
01:07.839 --> 01:13.300
[SPEAKER_01]: It's called What's Going On, because we really kind of go in depth on this.
01:15.201 --> 01:18.322
[SPEAKER_01]: Because the bottom line is that everything is a headline right now, everything is spun.
01:18.822 --> 01:19.322
[SPEAKER_01]: They need news.
01:19.342 --> 01:20.602
[SPEAKER_01]: They got 24 hour news cycles.
01:20.642 --> 01:21.603
[SPEAKER_01]: They need news.
01:23.463 --> 01:28.284
[SPEAKER_01]: And in order to get you to pay attention to the news, they give you the most emotional headlines that they can.
01:29.144 --> 01:30.925
[SPEAKER_01]: And the most emotional headlines,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The easiest emotions to utilize is number one, fear.
01:38.352 --> 01:39.153
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the easiest one.
01:39.693 --> 01:40.454
[SPEAKER_01]: Make people afraid.
01:40.694 --> 01:41.495
[SPEAKER_01]: Number two, anger.
01:41.675 --> 01:45.638
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are the, those are the two easiest things to get you spun up and get you emotional.
01:46.219 --> 01:47.640
[SPEAKER_01]: So everything is catastrophic.
01:48.621 --> 01:54.707
[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is, everything is a breaking news story, everything's an urgent report, everything's a major update, everything's an important announcement.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything is a developing story.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And one of the metaphors that I made on podcast 537 is imagine that you're announcing an MMM or you're watching an MMM fight.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the MMM fight starts and the two fighters go to the center of the cage and one of them throws a jab and misses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now imagine that the an answer goes oh my gosh He missed that jab he's doomed his strategy is terrible I can't believe he didn't train properly his coaches and idiot his career is over because the guy missed one jab We all know that the one jab means almost nothing in a fight almost not nothing but almost nothing
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yet, the headline from the MMA announcer is that he missed the jab and he's doomed.
02:43.269 --> 02:45.051
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what we see in the news all the time.
02:45.731 --> 02:51.416
[SPEAKER_01]: We see just catastrophic emotional headlines blown out of proportion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, the first report is always wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, and so it was the second report and so it was the third report and so it was the fourth report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all wrong as individual headlines, as individual reports are all wrong because they're only one perspective.
03:10.607 --> 03:18.412
[SPEAKER_01]: It takes time to gather a bunch of different perspectives and figure a painting more clear picture, not a perfect picture, but a more clear picture.
03:18.772 --> 03:24.516
[SPEAKER_01]: And the way that you get more perspectives and you is you give a little bit of time and distance from an event happening.
03:26.498 --> 03:38.407
[SPEAKER_01]: So an easy way to give yourself a little bit of time and give the news a little bit of time to sort itself out is you don't need to check the news every five minutes.
03:39.508 --> 03:41.009
[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need to check it every 10 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need to check it every hour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't even need to check it every 24 hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Now, things are going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's going to impact you in the news in the next 24 hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you want to check it every once every 24 hours fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One today, seven o'clock at night, give yourself 15 minutes to figure out what the hell is going on in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, 99.9% of the time, none of it's gonna impact you at all.
04:09.031 --> 04:15.332
[SPEAKER_01]: And listen, things that can and are going to impact you, guess what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They will start to rise to the surface and you'll start to see them every day.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, instead of getting lost amongst the bullshit catastrophic headlines that get thrown up, don't allow that to happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just check your news once a day for 15 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If it's that crazy of a catastrophic situation, you're going to hear about it again tomorrow in the next day in the next day.
04:42.002 --> 04:45.044
[SPEAKER_01]: But most of the things you won't hear, you're there about a one day and you won't hear about them again.
04:45.525 --> 04:46.786
[SPEAKER_01]: This is 24 hour news cycle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They make up a bullshit headline every 20 minutes.
04:50.208 --> 04:53.350
[SPEAKER_01]: Catastrophic, crazy, fear, mongering headline is coming at you.
04:55.632 --> 04:56.352
[SPEAKER_01]: So check the news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check some right wing, check some left wing, left wing sources, check some conservative sources, check some liberal sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And don't believe any of them, because they're all full of shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, just, you know, get some, try and see if there's any facts in these stories, but you won't know that you won't know the truth in the facts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The way that you do is over time, time and distance from stories, you'll have an idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: An idea of what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You won't know exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We still don't even know what happened in major events.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Less news is more news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's what I'd say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't don't get bogged down on this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all, it's all data.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's all just little data points.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not true, not facts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just data.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just, it's just, it's just, it's just highlights from different sources.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't know, some big trust were the person that's out there that's telling it like it is, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't listen any of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Listen, all of them don't listen any of them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that's what I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah that over indexing now it is on the entertainment which I I respect that it exists to understand that kind of deviates from like the ideal as far as what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need info on stuff that's happening in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You need the info.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you turn on the news, that's something else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you point out, very often to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The stuff that you're watching in your phone and on your TV, it's all entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't care what they call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's a sadly ironic, I guess, no matter speaking, is the entertainment part of it works and I said it works and I mean this, where if they don't make it entertainment, if they don't make the headline like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stimulate you in that way or whatever a lot of times we'll be like on that's boring.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course drunk I'm not gonna look of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it kind of defeats the whole purpose of the news in a way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You seem saying well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah It's like it's almost like the news channel becomes ineffective because no one's gonna watch it's the same so it's kind of like they have to do it
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[SPEAKER_00]: Toom saying so it's like a little catch 22.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's kind of like oh, I hate when they do that But they have to do it and otherwise I ain't gonna watch it so it's like what are you even talking about you know not this guy But I'm just saying you know e for Mattos He he's got his little video YouTube podcast called the Overwatch with e for Mattas
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's totally good to go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's very unemotional about the whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of just stating the facts.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a conservative guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you're going to get a conservative slant to it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like he's I like I like what he's doing right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, that's cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's solid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Check out a from Mattis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Mattos Overwatch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't get too crazy on the news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not news.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's entertainment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if you really want to get nuts, as far as like, no, no, I just want the facts straight up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, stop filtering stuff, uh, polluting these factual things with like your opinion and spin and take and all this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just go and chat GPT.
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[SPEAKER_01]: J-L-I-P-T has spin, bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, but if you ask it not to have any spin, you say, hey, just give me the facts of this case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You think it'll just, you think there's a, it'll do spin, just.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've seen all kinds of bias in chatGPT for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so, but if you, for Mike's right, I don't, I'm not, I'm not looking to that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like news and, you know, that whole thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I say, hey, don't sugarcoat this thing because I understand it sugarcoat stuff, just by default.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you see the guy on Instagram that has conversations with AI, it just seems so stupid.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's really funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The guy just asks it questions and the way that AI responds.
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