Aug. 3, 2026
Jocko Underground: If Someone Is From Iran and Wants to Move to The USA?
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If Someone Is From Iran and Wants to Move to The USA?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 224 sitting here with echo Charles.
00:04.714 --> 00:26.049
[SPEAKER_01]: We have some questions from the front lines from planet earth People that are in the trenches right now trying to figure it out and we are going to provide some guidance some answers or at a minimum Some courses of action that you can follow to navigate what echo Charles calls the maze of life Okay, right all let's get into it.
00:26.169 --> 00:27.310
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm skipping to it first question
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, hello, talk to echo.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was born and raised in Iran and I now live as a resident expat in GCC country.
00:36.373 --> 00:38.095
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what that is?
00:38.115 --> 00:39.476
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, go to the Gulf States.
00:39.496 --> 00:43.921
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE.
00:46.261 --> 00:48.542
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm forgetting a couple of them, but it's basically the Gulf countries.
00:48.662 --> 00:49.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the bunch of them.
00:50.022 --> 00:57.885
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to all of them, except for Oman is in there, I've been to all of them, except for Saudi Arabia.
00:58.145 --> 00:58.986
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right on.
00:59.546 --> 01:00.266
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where we're at.
01:00.706 --> 01:05.608
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I can't go back home because I chose not to serve in the IRGC military.
01:06.068 --> 01:08.809
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my dream to move to the US because I love everything about it.
01:09.149 --> 01:13.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I do social media, wake up at 5am every day and work 12 hours a day.
01:13.851 --> 01:14.872
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working really hard.
01:14.992 --> 01:18.334
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a lot of money, and the American dream feels so so far away.
01:18.894 --> 01:25.858
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see the progress I'm making in my life, but considering my financial situation and the political situation between Iran and the U.S.
01:26.579 --> 01:29.341
[SPEAKER_00]: The dream of moving to the U.S. feels nowhere near.
01:30.061 --> 01:39.867
[SPEAKER_00]: Discipline hard work, and my knowledge are all I have, but I feel, but it feels like I'm going to have to keep this momentum forever, and that scares me.
01:40.587 --> 01:41.347
[SPEAKER_00]: 24 years old.
01:41.907 --> 01:44.728
[SPEAKER_00]: My question is, well, what would you do if you were in my shoes?
01:46.328 --> 01:46.648
[SPEAKER_01]: Right on.
01:48.249 --> 01:50.969
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like you're on the path, so that's good to go.
01:51.949 --> 01:54.950
[SPEAKER_01]: The good news is you're 24 years old.
01:55.230 --> 01:57.390
[SPEAKER_01]: That's You've got some time.
01:57.590 --> 01:58.771
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got some time to make things happen.
01:59.351 --> 02:04.972
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I as I hear this question, I think the best way for you to try and get to America.
02:05.752 --> 02:24.656
[SPEAKER_01]: is through and what's called an employment based visa and you could do you're gonna have to research this stuff I'm just kind of telling you from people that I've known over the years and employment based visa I think they call it an EBEB1 EBE2 there's a bunch of different kinds you can get But if you it could be priority a priority worker.
02:24.916 --> 02:25.376
[SPEAKER_01]: They call it.
02:25.436 --> 02:31.497
[SPEAKER_01]: This is someone that's got Again, the term is extraordinary ability
02:33.085 --> 02:40.392
[SPEAKER_01]: and this could be in science, this could be in education, this could be art, this could be in business, this could be athletics, high level executive.
02:40.412 --> 02:44.897
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are extraordinary in some way, you can get a visa.
02:47.199 --> 02:49.241
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a visa for an advanced degree.
02:50.981 --> 02:57.968
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, or some kind of, again, exceptional ability, like if you have a master's, you have a PhD in something, there's a chance you could have these are there.
02:58.248 --> 03:00.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the skilled workers can get a visa.
03:01.551 --> 03:02.953
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can work that.
03:03.013 --> 03:07.077
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also some, this is a little bit strange, but there's like niche categories.
03:08.398 --> 03:19.994
[SPEAKER_01]: where if you're some type of, let's say a broadcaster or some type of strange niche entertainment types scenario, you might be able to get in there.
03:20.335 --> 03:22.958
[SPEAKER_01]: Long-term government employees can kind of get in there as well.
03:22.998 --> 03:25.482
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's those options.
03:26.685 --> 03:37.974
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also the option that if you invest, it's something like a million dollars, if you invest a million dollars into a new US company, that creates at least 10 jobs.
03:38.674 --> 03:40.456
[SPEAKER_01]: You have, you can get a visa there as well.
03:41.417 --> 03:46.040
[SPEAKER_01]: That might seem like unachievable, but hey, you're 24 years old, you can make that happen.
03:47.602 --> 03:48.382
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're in luck.
03:49.903 --> 03:53.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there are, there are pathways to make this happen.
03:53.385 --> 03:59.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Now each one of these pathways requires you to work hard And obviously be disciplined, which it sounds like you're doing you're getting up early.
03:59.128 --> 03:59.829
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting after it.
04:01.029 --> 04:01.850
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do that
04:03.907 --> 04:07.750
[SPEAKER_01]: overtime, you know, some of these opportunities will start to open up.
04:07.930 --> 04:28.624
[SPEAKER_01]: And by that, I mean, for instance, you can start to apply to get hired by a company that's an international company, that has stations or offices where you are and you get hired by that company and you work
04:34.107 --> 04:37.509
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can get transferred to one of their offices in the United States, that's a methodology.
04:37.549 --> 04:40.510
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, these are hard jobs to get, but if you have the right skill set, you can get it.
04:41.891 --> 04:48.073
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you can also apply directly to US-based companies that have the opportunity.
04:48.093 --> 04:52.995
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these US-based companies can sponsor foreign workers if they have certain skill sets.
04:53.235 --> 04:54.516
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another way to make it happen.
04:55.816 --> 04:57.557
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that both of those are...
04:59.420 --> 05:20.356
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty good options, but actually, but again, both these options require you to work really hard to get the qualifications needed to get hired at these type of companies, whether you get hired in an international company that has overseas offices and eventually get transferred to America or you are applying directly to an American company that has the ability to sponsor foreigners to come and work in America.
05:20.896 --> 05:22.838
[SPEAKER_01]: In order to get there, you have to have some skills.
05:24.205 --> 05:32.891
[SPEAKER_01]: because this is America we want to bring in people that are going to add to America, not that are going to take away from America, right, when you bring something to the table, we want you in America.
05:33.311 --> 05:35.493
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to take stuff off the table, we don't want you in America.
05:36.233 --> 05:37.514
[SPEAKER_01]: We already have enough of those people.
05:38.895 --> 05:45.980
[SPEAKER_01]: So build yourself up so that you bring something to the table to get to America.
05:47.661 --> 05:59.317
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other kind of option I'll throw out there, and this one is less stable, but the fact of the matter is, you know, you are from Iran.
05:59.617 --> 06:03.202
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming that means that you have some language capability.
06:05.432 --> 06:22.467
[SPEAKER_01]: in some of the languages from Iran, whether that's Persian or others, and having that capability is a big asset, as far as working in conjunction with the American military or the American intelligence.
06:23.728 --> 06:36.552
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could also start looking around and applying for jobs in under the umbrella of the United States, whether again as a military interpreter or as an intelligence interpreter.
06:37.573 --> 06:44.995
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do that, you will be able to establish yourself and hopefully bring something to the table and move up the ranks that way.
06:45.615 --> 06:46.916
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is an option as well.
06:47.936 --> 06:57.143
[SPEAKER_01]: and it sounds like you would be at least a good candidate for that since you were raised in Iran.
06:57.203 --> 07:00.626
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a lot of local knowledge that Americans don't have.
07:00.946 --> 07:03.008
[SPEAKER_01]: You have language ability that Americans don't have.
07:03.708 --> 07:21.284
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could also look into whether it's the state department, whether it's the intelligence community, or whether it's some sort of military asset, you could move into and then sometimes, against not guaranteed, sometimes that opens up the opportunity to become a resident in America.
07:22.926 --> 07:27.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that takes, that'll take hard work, that'll take discipline, but those are your options.
07:28.611 --> 07:29.972
[SPEAKER_01]: And finally I'll say this.
07:31.321 --> 07:39.828
[SPEAKER_01]: Wherever you are you got to create your own dreams and that's the same thing in America America just because you get to America doesn't mean everything just happens.
07:40.149 --> 07:55.602
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't there's opportunity here But wherever you are and I've like I said I've been to all the Gulf States except for Saudi Arabia and there's plenty of opportunity over there for someone that's working hard in getting after it So regardless of where you
07:56.927 --> 08:02.611
[SPEAKER_01]: that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the jockel underground podcast.
08:02.691 --> 08:19.143
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to continue to listen, go to jockel underground.com and subscribe and we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast.
08:19.543 --> 08:23.204
[SPEAKER_01]: which will remain as is free for all as long as we can give it that way.
08:23.564 --> 08:34.948
[SPEAKER_01]: But we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors and we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us.
08:36.408 --> 08:46.433
[SPEAKER_01]: And to do that, we are building a website right now, where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
08:46.794 --> 08:52.817
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, it's jacco underground.com, it costs $8 and $18 a month.
08:52.937 --> 08:54.858
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't afford to support us,
08:55.298 --> 09:06.695
[SPEAKER_01]: We can still support you, just email assistance at jockelonagram.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.
00:00.391 --> 00:04.294
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the Jockel Underground podcast number 224 sitting here with echo Charles.
00:04.714 --> 00:26.049
[SPEAKER_01]: We have some questions from the front lines from planet earth People that are in the trenches right now trying to figure it out and we are going to provide some guidance some answers or at a minimum Some courses of action that you can follow to navigate what echo Charles calls the maze of life Okay, right all let's get into it.
00:26.169 --> 00:27.310
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm skipping to it first question
00:28.705 --> 00:29.987
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, hello, talk to echo.
00:30.067 --> 00:36.353
[SPEAKER_00]: I was born and raised in Iran and I now live as a resident expat in GCC country.
00:36.373 --> 00:38.095
[SPEAKER_00]: Do you know what that is?
00:38.115 --> 00:39.476
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, go to the Gulf States.
00:39.496 --> 00:43.921
[SPEAKER_01]: There's Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE.
00:46.261 --> 00:48.542
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm forgetting a couple of them, but it's basically the Gulf countries.
00:48.662 --> 00:49.902
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the bunch of them.
00:50.022 --> 00:57.885
[SPEAKER_01]: I've been to all of them, except for Oman is in there, I've been to all of them, except for Saudi Arabia.
00:58.145 --> 00:58.986
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right on.
00:59.546 --> 01:00.266
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's where we're at.
01:00.706 --> 01:05.608
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I can't go back home because I chose not to serve in the IRGC military.
01:06.068 --> 01:08.809
[SPEAKER_00]: It's my dream to move to the US because I love everything about it.
01:09.149 --> 01:13.031
[SPEAKER_00]: I do social media, wake up at 5am every day and work 12 hours a day.
01:13.851 --> 01:14.872
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm working really hard.
01:14.992 --> 01:18.334
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have a lot of money, and the American dream feels so so far away.
01:18.894 --> 01:25.858
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see the progress I'm making in my life, but considering my financial situation and the political situation between Iran and the U.S.
01:26.579 --> 01:29.341
[SPEAKER_00]: The dream of moving to the U.S. feels nowhere near.
01:30.061 --> 01:39.867
[SPEAKER_00]: Discipline hard work, and my knowledge are all I have, but I feel, but it feels like I'm going to have to keep this momentum forever, and that scares me.
01:40.587 --> 01:41.347
[SPEAKER_00]: 24 years old.
01:41.907 --> 01:44.728
[SPEAKER_00]: My question is, well, what would you do if you were in my shoes?
01:46.328 --> 01:46.648
[SPEAKER_01]: Right on.
01:48.249 --> 01:50.969
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it sounds like you're on the path, so that's good to go.
01:51.949 --> 01:54.950
[SPEAKER_01]: The good news is you're 24 years old.
01:55.230 --> 01:57.390
[SPEAKER_01]: That's You've got some time.
01:57.590 --> 01:58.771
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got some time to make things happen.
01:59.351 --> 02:04.972
[SPEAKER_01]: So as I as I hear this question, I think the best way for you to try and get to America.
02:05.752 --> 02:24.656
[SPEAKER_01]: is through and what's called an employment based visa and you could do you're gonna have to research this stuff I'm just kind of telling you from people that I've known over the years and employment based visa I think they call it an EBEB1 EBE2 there's a bunch of different kinds you can get But if you it could be priority a priority worker.
02:24.916 --> 02:25.376
[SPEAKER_01]: They call it.
02:25.436 --> 02:31.497
[SPEAKER_01]: This is someone that's got Again, the term is extraordinary ability
02:33.085 --> 02:40.392
[SPEAKER_01]: and this could be in science, this could be in education, this could be art, this could be in business, this could be athletics, high level executive.
02:40.412 --> 02:44.897
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you are extraordinary in some way, you can get a visa.
02:47.199 --> 02:49.241
[SPEAKER_01]: You can get a visa for an advanced degree.
02:50.981 --> 02:57.968
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, or some kind of, again, exceptional ability, like if you have a master's, you have a PhD in something, there's a chance you could have these are there.
02:58.248 --> 03:00.090
[SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes the skilled workers can get a visa.
03:01.551 --> 03:02.953
[SPEAKER_01]: So you can work that.
03:03.013 --> 03:07.077
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also some, this is a little bit strange, but there's like niche categories.
03:08.398 --> 03:19.994
[SPEAKER_01]: where if you're some type of, let's say a broadcaster or some type of strange niche entertainment types scenario, you might be able to get in there.
03:20.335 --> 03:22.958
[SPEAKER_01]: Long-term government employees can kind of get in there as well.
03:22.998 --> 03:25.482
[SPEAKER_01]: So there's those options.
03:26.685 --> 03:37.974
[SPEAKER_01]: There's also the option that if you invest, it's something like a million dollars, if you invest a million dollars into a new US company, that creates at least 10 jobs.
03:38.674 --> 03:40.456
[SPEAKER_01]: You have, you can get a visa there as well.
03:41.417 --> 03:46.040
[SPEAKER_01]: That might seem like unachievable, but hey, you're 24 years old, you can make that happen.
03:47.602 --> 03:48.382
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're in luck.
03:49.903 --> 03:53.245
[SPEAKER_01]: Because there are, there are pathways to make this happen.
03:53.385 --> 03:59.108
[SPEAKER_01]: Now each one of these pathways requires you to work hard And obviously be disciplined, which it sounds like you're doing you're getting up early.
03:59.128 --> 03:59.829
[SPEAKER_01]: You're getting after it.
04:01.029 --> 04:01.850
[SPEAKER_01]: If you do that
04:03.907 --> 04:07.750
[SPEAKER_01]: overtime, you know, some of these opportunities will start to open up.
04:07.930 --> 04:28.624
[SPEAKER_01]: And by that, I mean, for instance, you can start to apply to get hired by a company that's an international company, that has stations or offices where you are and you get hired by that company and you work
04:34.107 --> 04:37.509
[SPEAKER_01]: And you can get transferred to one of their offices in the United States, that's a methodology.
04:37.549 --> 04:40.510
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, these are hard jobs to get, but if you have the right skill set, you can get it.
04:41.891 --> 04:48.073
[SPEAKER_01]: Or you can also apply directly to US-based companies that have the opportunity.
04:48.093 --> 04:52.995
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of these US-based companies can sponsor foreign workers if they have certain skill sets.
04:53.235 --> 04:54.516
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's another way to make it happen.
04:55.816 --> 04:57.557
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that both of those are...
04:59.420 --> 05:20.356
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty good options, but actually, but again, both these options require you to work really hard to get the qualifications needed to get hired at these type of companies, whether you get hired in an international company that has overseas offices and eventually get transferred to America or you are applying directly to an American company that has the ability to sponsor foreigners to come and work in America.
05:20.896 --> 05:22.838
[SPEAKER_01]: In order to get there, you have to have some skills.
05:24.205 --> 05:32.891
[SPEAKER_01]: because this is America we want to bring in people that are going to add to America, not that are going to take away from America, right, when you bring something to the table, we want you in America.
05:33.311 --> 05:35.493
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to take stuff off the table, we don't want you in America.
05:36.233 --> 05:37.514
[SPEAKER_01]: We already have enough of those people.
05:38.895 --> 05:45.980
[SPEAKER_01]: So build yourself up so that you bring something to the table to get to America.
05:47.661 --> 05:59.317
[SPEAKER_01]: The only other kind of option I'll throw out there, and this one is less stable, but the fact of the matter is, you know, you are from Iran.
05:59.617 --> 06:03.202
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming that means that you have some language capability.
06:05.432 --> 06:22.467
[SPEAKER_01]: in some of the languages from Iran, whether that's Persian or others, and having that capability is a big asset, as far as working in conjunction with the American military or the American intelligence.
06:23.728 --> 06:36.552
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could also start looking around and applying for jobs in under the umbrella of the United States, whether again as a military interpreter or as an intelligence interpreter.
06:37.573 --> 06:44.995
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you do that, you will be able to establish yourself and hopefully bring something to the table and move up the ranks that way.
06:45.615 --> 06:46.916
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is an option as well.
06:47.936 --> 06:57.143
[SPEAKER_01]: and it sounds like you would be at least a good candidate for that since you were raised in Iran.
06:57.203 --> 07:00.626
[SPEAKER_01]: You have a lot of local knowledge that Americans don't have.
07:00.946 --> 07:03.008
[SPEAKER_01]: You have language ability that Americans don't have.
07:03.708 --> 07:21.284
[SPEAKER_01]: So you could also look into whether it's the state department, whether it's the intelligence community, or whether it's some sort of military asset, you could move into and then sometimes, against not guaranteed, sometimes that opens up the opportunity to become a resident in America.
07:22.926 --> 07:27.870
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, that takes, that'll take hard work, that'll take discipline, but those are your options.
07:28.611 --> 07:29.972
[SPEAKER_01]: And finally I'll say this.
07:31.321 --> 07:39.828
[SPEAKER_01]: Wherever you are you got to create your own dreams and that's the same thing in America America just because you get to America doesn't mean everything just happens.
07:40.149 --> 07:55.602
[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't there's opportunity here But wherever you are and I've like I said I've been to all the Gulf States except for Saudi Arabia and there's plenty of opportunity over there for someone that's working hard in getting after it So regardless of where you
07:56.927 --> 08:02.611
[SPEAKER_01]: that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the jockel underground podcast.
08:02.691 --> 08:19.143
[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to continue to listen, go to jockel underground.com and subscribe and we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast.
08:19.543 --> 08:23.204
[SPEAKER_01]: which will remain as is free for all as long as we can give it that way.
08:23.564 --> 08:34.948
[SPEAKER_01]: But we are doing this so we don't have to be under the control of sponsors and we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us.
08:36.408 --> 08:46.433
[SPEAKER_01]: And to do that, we are building a website right now, where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
08:46.794 --> 08:52.817
[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, it's jacco underground.com, it costs $8 and $18 a month.
08:52.937 --> 08:54.858
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you can't afford to support us,
08:55.298 --> 09:06.695
[SPEAKER_01]: We can still support you, just email assistance at jockelonagram.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.