July 20, 2026
Jocko Underground: Break The Cycle - Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.
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Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the jockel underground podcast number 22 sitting here with aquatrolls We have some questions from the front lines From the engagements in the field and we're gonna provide some answers possibly Some recommendations and at a minimum some courses of action that you can follow to get through what echo-trolls calls The maze of life
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[SPEAKER_00]: True.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also us people have been asking so just a friendly reminder if you want to ask your questions I got to do is email questions at jockel underground.com.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm saying sometimes people they
00:39.049 --> 00:41.391
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they need some directions for is where to ask these questions.
00:41.411 --> 00:43.032
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually know that you put that on.
00:43.052 --> 00:44.373
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't put that on the long time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're still getting a lot of questions.
00:45.835 --> 00:46.855
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah.
00:46.875 --> 00:53.881
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't suspect there were people that did not know or were not in the know as they say, but now they're all in the know.
00:54.141 --> 00:55.823
[SPEAKER_01]: No worries email the questions, too.
00:56.423 --> 00:58.684
[SPEAKER_00]: questions at chuckle under the dot com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get my first question for questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My father was severely abusive throughout my childhood, physically and verbally, though he did, though he hid it from others.
01:10.689 --> 01:15.791
[SPEAKER_00]: As an adult, I built a happy life, raised my son differently and eventually set healthy boundaries.
01:16.431 --> 01:24.314
[SPEAKER_00]: In his final years, he tried to make a man's and before dying a brain cancer last week, admitted he feared judgment for how he treated me.
01:24.954 --> 01:29.515
[SPEAKER_00]: now with his funeral approaching and everyone praising him, old nightmares have returned.
01:29.915 --> 01:31.356
[SPEAKER_00]: How can I prepare for the funeral?
01:31.876 --> 01:36.297
[SPEAKER_00]: Process these conflicting emotions and move forward without losing the peace I've built.
01:39.658 --> 01:39.998
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, sorry to hear about your dad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, sorry that you had to grow up like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's terrible.
01:49.941 --> 01:51.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also very impressed that you were able
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[SPEAKER_01]: that terror situation and build yourself a happy life and break that cycle of abuse and raise your son right that's outstanding.
02:01.932 --> 02:03.153
[SPEAKER_01]: So outstanding job.
02:03.613 --> 02:09.619
[SPEAKER_01]: And the main thing you don't want to do is let anything interfere with what it is that you have built.
02:12.002 --> 02:12.142
[SPEAKER_01]: And
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think what has happened in the past is in the past, and you have successfully moved forward and processed it in a healthy way.
02:25.810 --> 02:29.232
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't know if you got professional help.
02:29.353 --> 02:35.336
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a psychologist, you know, so if you haven't done that and you did all this progress without that good.
02:37.398 --> 02:40.900
[SPEAKER_01]: If you feel like you're kind of slipping or something, maybe you could go talk to somebody.
02:42.936 --> 02:54.288
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely recommend you know getting professional help if you think you need it It's you know it's sad that your dad is afraid now and that he knows he's gonna be judged
02:56.694 --> 03:19.456
[SPEAKER_01]: also kind of in a way for me in my opinion that's a positive thing right at least he understands that he was wrong at least he is admitted that he's wrong there's some people that they would never admit that in a million years sometimes sometimes people won't admit that they were wrong about you know what time the restaurant closed you know what I mean yeah oh the restaurant's closed no it's it'll be open when it's not open it's like well they they'd
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[SPEAKER_01]: They closed early.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some people won't even admit to that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so the fact that your dad is Is admitting this level of wrongdoing is pretty positive The funerals, you know funerals are emotional.
03:35.885 --> 03:42.489
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be emotional I'm sure it's gonna be difficult for you to hear people praising him without knowing these terrible things that he did to you
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what good it would go to detail what happened, you know, to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're going to give the ulog if you're going to speak.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think your dad would understand if you mentioned anything people would understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you know if you mentioned the fact that like every human being he had shortfalls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he made mistakes and he did things that he shouldn't have done.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And in the end he knew he was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you're really the primary person that is in the driver's seat for forgiveness, right?
04:26.589 --> 04:27.130
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a reason that forgiveness, in my opinion, is so important for us as human beings, and you can see it throughout, you know, really, throughout recorded history.
04:39.620 --> 04:54.103
[SPEAKER_01]: It's seen in ancient, you know, eastern traditions, like Buddhism, it's seen in, you know, Confucius talked about it, and in the Greco-Rome and Philosophy, Stelicism, obviously a huge part of Christianity, you know, forgiveness is a thing.
04:58.194 --> 05:01.976
[SPEAKER_01]: That's because it allows you to move on, it allows you to not be caught in the past.
05:03.056 --> 05:03.776
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that you forget.
05:04.917 --> 05:07.498
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we remember we don't dwell in the past.
05:08.278 --> 05:09.419
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal, I should say.
05:09.999 --> 05:11.460
[SPEAKER_01]: The goal is not to dwell in the past.
05:11.760 --> 05:13.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Then think about all the bad things.
05:14.281 --> 05:15.621
[SPEAKER_01]: The goal is remember.
05:16.422 --> 05:17.662
[SPEAKER_01]: You're raising your kid differently.
05:17.702 --> 05:19.543
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember that it was bad what you went through.
05:19.903 --> 05:21.044
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've taken a different path.
05:26.065 --> 05:29.767
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're the one that is sitting in the seat of forgiveness here, potentially.
05:29.867 --> 05:34.830
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, forgiveness is not condoning someone in the behavior.
05:34.870 --> 05:36.791
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not excusing someone in the behavior.
05:36.811 --> 05:38.792
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not forgetting someone in the behavior.
05:38.892 --> 05:43.275
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even really reconciliation, like you can forgive someone and still not talk to them.
05:45.070 --> 06:00.947
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think the definition along the lines of accepting reality that this is what happened and then releasing the burden of resentment and pain and moving forward.
06:02.282 --> 06:06.784
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, when I think about forgiveness in a case like this, that's what I think of.
06:07.225 --> 06:14.909
[SPEAKER_01]: Not not excusing, not condoning, but hey, this is the reality, a human being, acting like a human being.
06:14.949 --> 06:29.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Human beings are flawed, they're, you know, they're, they're egos take over, their animal instincts take over, their emotions take over, and they can't control, they don't control themselves, they can, but they don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what human beings do.
06:37.310 --> 06:44.035
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not approved, it's not condoned, but do you want to dwell in that past forever?
06:44.335 --> 06:47.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to continually let that drive your behavior?
06:48.158 --> 06:58.384
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had Harley Flanagan on the podcast and his dad was a terrible person, abusive alcoholic drug addict.
06:58.985 --> 07:01.567
[SPEAKER_01]: I pretty sure he died in a dumpster fire.
07:02.387 --> 07:06.830
[SPEAKER_01]: he was in a dumpster trying to stay warm at night lit a fire in there and like died in there or O.D.
07:06.890 --> 07:22.762
[SPEAKER_01]: and there's something along those lines but i mean just terrible and you know hardly was on the podcast he was kind of telling that story is getting pretty emotional and he said you know i forgive you dad and i think that that i think that that attitude is helpful
07:27.777 --> 07:42.104
[SPEAKER_01]: knowing that people are flawed, knowing that your dad didn't know how to be a dad, and like I said, he had whatever anger and ego and jealousy and insecurity and emotions, like all humans do, and he failed to control it, and you, you suffered the consequences.
07:42.324 --> 07:45.645
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, thankfully, you were able to break that cycle.
07:47.586 --> 07:54.209
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a better person, and this is even more evident.
07:56.482 --> 07:59.031
[SPEAKER_01]: if you can just forgive him and move on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Pick me just forgive him and move on.
08:03.997 --> 08:11.463
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess the question is, how can I prepare for the funeral process these conflicting emotions and move forward without losing the peace?
08:11.863 --> 08:26.034
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at the funeral, you stay high level, you stay detached, you know, these other people that are praising him because he acted differently in front of them, best of luck to them.
08:27.015 --> 08:32.799
[SPEAKER_01]: They can carry on with their lives, be people like be professional, do your part in the funeral, right?
08:34.779 --> 08:46.792
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think what you do is you get back to living your awesome happy life that you've built with your family, which is amazing and you.
08:49.595 --> 08:50.356
[SPEAKER_01]: have done a great job.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm at, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I had to go through this, but dammit is impressive to hear how you've turned out and the way you've built your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get dragged into the past, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get dragged down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always opportunities to go backwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always opportunities to go backwards to fall down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to fall down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to go down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That all those human emotions that you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is the jockel underground podcast number 22 sitting here with aquatrolls We have some questions from the front lines From the engagements in the field and we're gonna provide some answers possibly Some recommendations and at a minimum some courses of action that you can follow to get through what echo-trolls calls The maze of life
00:25.315 --> 00:25.536
[SPEAKER_00]: True.
00:26.397 --> 00:35.793
[SPEAKER_00]: Also us people have been asking so just a friendly reminder if you want to ask your questions I got to do is email questions at jockel underground.com.
00:36.073 --> 00:36.494
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
00:36.774 --> 00:38.036
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm saying sometimes people they
00:39.049 --> 00:41.391
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they need some directions for is where to ask these questions.
00:41.411 --> 00:43.032
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I actually know that you put that on.
00:43.052 --> 00:44.373
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't put that on the long time.
00:44.533 --> 00:45.814
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we're still getting a lot of questions.
00:45.835 --> 00:46.855
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, yeah.
00:46.875 --> 00:53.881
[SPEAKER_01]: I didn't suspect there were people that did not know or were not in the know as they say, but now they're all in the know.
00:54.141 --> 00:55.823
[SPEAKER_01]: No worries email the questions, too.
00:56.423 --> 00:58.684
[SPEAKER_00]: questions at chuckle under the dot com.
00:58.904 --> 00:59.304
[SPEAKER_01]: There you go.
00:59.744 --> 01:01.645
[SPEAKER_01]: All right, let's get my first question for questions.
01:03.106 --> 01:10.168
[SPEAKER_00]: My father was severely abusive throughout my childhood, physically and verbally, though he did, though he hid it from others.
01:10.689 --> 01:15.791
[SPEAKER_00]: As an adult, I built a happy life, raised my son differently and eventually set healthy boundaries.
01:16.431 --> 01:24.314
[SPEAKER_00]: In his final years, he tried to make a man's and before dying a brain cancer last week, admitted he feared judgment for how he treated me.
01:24.954 --> 01:29.515
[SPEAKER_00]: now with his funeral approaching and everyone praising him, old nightmares have returned.
01:29.915 --> 01:31.356
[SPEAKER_00]: How can I prepare for the funeral?
01:31.876 --> 01:36.297
[SPEAKER_00]: Process these conflicting emotions and move forward without losing the peace I've built.
01:39.658 --> 01:39.998
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
01:41.919 --> 01:44.800
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, sorry to hear about your dad.
01:44.960 --> 01:47.761
[SPEAKER_01]: That's, that's, sorry that you had to grow up like that.
01:47.941 --> 01:48.861
[SPEAKER_01]: That's terrible.
01:49.941 --> 01:51.902
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also very impressed that you were able
01:54.324 --> 02:01.011
[SPEAKER_01]: that terror situation and build yourself a happy life and break that cycle of abuse and raise your son right that's outstanding.
02:01.932 --> 02:03.153
[SPEAKER_01]: So outstanding job.
02:03.613 --> 02:09.619
[SPEAKER_01]: And the main thing you don't want to do is let anything interfere with what it is that you have built.
02:12.002 --> 02:12.142
[SPEAKER_01]: And
02:14.443 --> 02:24.049
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think what has happened in the past is in the past, and you have successfully moved forward and processed it in a healthy way.
02:25.810 --> 02:29.232
[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I don't know if you got professional help.
02:29.353 --> 02:35.336
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not a psychologist, you know, so if you haven't done that and you did all this progress without that good.
02:37.398 --> 02:40.900
[SPEAKER_01]: If you feel like you're kind of slipping or something, maybe you could go talk to somebody.
02:42.936 --> 02:54.288
[SPEAKER_01]: I definitely recommend you know getting professional help if you think you need it It's you know it's sad that your dad is afraid now and that he knows he's gonna be judged
02:56.694 --> 03:19.456
[SPEAKER_01]: also kind of in a way for me in my opinion that's a positive thing right at least he understands that he was wrong at least he is admitted that he's wrong there's some people that they would never admit that in a million years sometimes sometimes people won't admit that they were wrong about you know what time the restaurant closed you know what I mean yeah oh the restaurant's closed no it's it'll be open when it's not open it's like well they they'd
03:20.697 --> 03:21.598
[SPEAKER_01]: They closed early.
03:21.718 --> 03:22.218
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
03:22.538 --> 03:23.959
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, some people won't even admit to that.
03:24.039 --> 03:35.865
[SPEAKER_01]: So so the fact that your dad is Is admitting this level of wrongdoing is pretty positive The funerals, you know funerals are emotional.
03:35.885 --> 03:42.489
[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be emotional I'm sure it's gonna be difficult for you to hear people praising him without knowing these terrible things that he did to you
03:46.317 --> 03:51.318
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not sure what good it would go to detail what happened, you know, to you.
03:51.338 --> 03:53.739
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you're going to give the ulog if you're going to speak.
03:57.340 --> 04:02.201
[SPEAKER_01]: I think your dad would understand if you mentioned anything people would understand.
04:02.221 --> 04:05.422
[SPEAKER_01]: If you know if you mentioned the fact that like every human being he had shortfalls.
04:05.722 --> 04:08.103
[SPEAKER_01]: And he made mistakes and he did things that he shouldn't have done.
04:10.764 --> 04:12.024
[SPEAKER_01]: And in the end he knew he was wrong.
04:17.602 --> 04:26.449
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're really the primary person that is in the driver's seat for forgiveness, right?
04:26.589 --> 04:27.130
[SPEAKER_01]: You're the guy.
04:28.737 --> 04:38.499
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's a reason that forgiveness, in my opinion, is so important for us as human beings, and you can see it throughout, you know, really, throughout recorded history.
04:39.620 --> 04:54.103
[SPEAKER_01]: It's seen in ancient, you know, eastern traditions, like Buddhism, it's seen in, you know, Confucius talked about it, and in the Greco-Rome and Philosophy, Stelicism, obviously a huge part of Christianity, you know, forgiveness is a thing.
04:58.194 --> 05:01.976
[SPEAKER_01]: That's because it allows you to move on, it allows you to not be caught in the past.
05:03.056 --> 05:03.776
[SPEAKER_01]: Not that you forget.
05:04.917 --> 05:07.498
[SPEAKER_01]: Again, we remember we don't dwell in the past.
05:08.278 --> 05:09.419
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the goal, I should say.
05:09.999 --> 05:11.460
[SPEAKER_01]: The goal is not to dwell in the past.
05:11.760 --> 05:13.260
[SPEAKER_01]: Then think about all the bad things.
05:14.281 --> 05:15.621
[SPEAKER_01]: The goal is remember.
05:16.422 --> 05:17.662
[SPEAKER_01]: You're raising your kid differently.
05:17.702 --> 05:19.543
[SPEAKER_01]: You remember that it was bad what you went through.
05:19.903 --> 05:21.044
[SPEAKER_01]: So you've taken a different path.
05:26.065 --> 05:29.767
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you're the one that is sitting in the seat of forgiveness here, potentially.
05:29.867 --> 05:34.830
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, forgiveness is not condoning someone in the behavior.
05:34.870 --> 05:36.791
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not excusing someone in the behavior.
05:36.811 --> 05:38.792
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not forgetting someone in the behavior.
05:38.892 --> 05:43.275
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not even really reconciliation, like you can forgive someone and still not talk to them.
05:45.070 --> 06:00.947
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think the definition along the lines of accepting reality that this is what happened and then releasing the burden of resentment and pain and moving forward.
06:02.282 --> 06:06.784
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's, when I think about forgiveness in a case like this, that's what I think of.
06:07.225 --> 06:14.909
[SPEAKER_01]: Not not excusing, not condoning, but hey, this is the reality, a human being, acting like a human being.
06:14.949 --> 06:29.577
[SPEAKER_01]: Human beings are flawed, they're, you know, they're, they're egos take over, their animal instincts take over, their emotions take over, and they can't control, they don't control themselves, they can, but they don't.
06:34.088 --> 06:35.769
[SPEAKER_01]: This is what human beings do.
06:37.310 --> 06:44.035
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's not approved, it's not condoned, but do you want to dwell in that past forever?
06:44.335 --> 06:47.417
[SPEAKER_01]: Do you want to continually let that drive your behavior?
06:48.158 --> 06:58.384
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we had Harley Flanagan on the podcast and his dad was a terrible person, abusive alcoholic drug addict.
06:58.985 --> 07:01.567
[SPEAKER_01]: I pretty sure he died in a dumpster fire.
07:02.387 --> 07:06.830
[SPEAKER_01]: he was in a dumpster trying to stay warm at night lit a fire in there and like died in there or O.D.
07:06.890 --> 07:22.762
[SPEAKER_01]: and there's something along those lines but i mean just terrible and you know hardly was on the podcast he was kind of telling that story is getting pretty emotional and he said you know i forgive you dad and i think that that i think that that attitude is helpful
07:27.777 --> 07:42.104
[SPEAKER_01]: knowing that people are flawed, knowing that your dad didn't know how to be a dad, and like I said, he had whatever anger and ego and jealousy and insecurity and emotions, like all humans do, and he failed to control it, and you, you suffered the consequences.
07:42.324 --> 07:45.645
[SPEAKER_01]: But the thing is, thankfully, you were able to break that cycle.
07:47.586 --> 07:54.209
[SPEAKER_01]: You're a better person, and this is even more evident.
07:56.482 --> 07:59.031
[SPEAKER_01]: if you can just forgive him and move on.
08:00.676 --> 08:01.780
[SPEAKER_01]: Pick me just forgive him and move on.
08:03.997 --> 08:11.463
[SPEAKER_01]: So, I guess the question is, how can I prepare for the funeral process these conflicting emotions and move forward without losing the peace?
08:11.863 --> 08:26.034
[SPEAKER_01]: I think at the funeral, you stay high level, you stay detached, you know, these other people that are praising him because he acted differently in front of them, best of luck to them.
08:27.015 --> 08:32.799
[SPEAKER_01]: They can carry on with their lives, be people like be professional, do your part in the funeral, right?
08:34.779 --> 08:46.792
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think what you do is you get back to living your awesome happy life that you've built with your family, which is amazing and you.
08:49.595 --> 08:50.356
[SPEAKER_01]: have done a great job.
08:51.597 --> 08:53.539
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I'm at, man.
08:53.779 --> 09:01.087
[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, I had to go through this, but dammit is impressive to hear how you've turned out and the way you've built your life.
09:02.469 --> 09:04.871
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get dragged into the past, man.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't get dragged down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always opportunities to go backwards.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's always opportunities to go backwards to fall down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to fall down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's easy to go down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That all those human emotions that you have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the Jocco Underground podcast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So if you want to continue to listen,
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[SPEAKER_01]: go to jockelunderground.com and subscribe and we're doing this we're doing this to mitigate our reliance on external platforms so we are not subject to their control and we are doing this so that we can support the jockel podcast which will remain as is free for all as long as we can keep it that way but we are doing this so we don't have to be under
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're doing it so we can give you more control, more interaction, more direct connections, better communications with us, and to do that, we are building a website right now where we'll build the utilize to strengthen this legion of troopers that are in the game with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So thank you, it's jockelunderground.com.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It costs $8 and $18 a month, and if you can't afford to support
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[SPEAKER_01]: We can still support you, just email assistance at jockelonagram.com and we'll get you taken care of until then we will see you mobilized underground.